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12:00 AM
There, I think we have burned enough man-years on that one.
 
this have close votes? stackoverflow.com/q/34162818/792066
 
user4639281
@Braiam Blatant library request.
 
@Braiam It's an obvious tool rec
 
user4639281
 
Morning :)
 
user4639281
12:15 AM
Morning :)
 
like clockwork Kevin
 
Yep
 
Sam
Morning :)
 
yesterday it was 2 minutes past UTC midnite. So you are a little late, but will let it slide
 
user4639281
So @Kevin (and anyone else that wasn't in earlier) we've moved every single closed/deleted cv-pls request from the room to the graveyard, now they will be moved once a day at UTC midnight.
 
12:19 AM
> 2092 messages found
 
user4639281
That does include many that aren't requests.
 
Plop Kevin!
 
user4639281
there are roughly 1250 unclosed request since the beginning of the room.
 
Plop!
@TinyGiant Oh, I think that's a good idea.
 
user4639281
Well, it helps us give more attention to cv-pls requests that may have been overlooked.
 
12:23 AM
Okay, so I'll go to eat breakfast, Cya later.
 
user4639281
cya
 
Sam
cya
 
cya
dammit, smokey!
 
Sam
Ikr
Bad Smokey.
 
user4639281
sd fp- you trainwrecker
 
12:29 AM
that was a funny picture earlier t.g.
 
user4639281
The trainwreck meme?
 
y
reminded me of many questions of SO
 
user4639281
Yeah, that can be applied to... many things :)
 
Sam
Does anyone remember the fastest reviewing speed ever recorded?
(Not the buggy results.)
I thought it was 8 seconds per review, but I'm not sure.
 
user4639281
-5 seconds
 
12:34 AM
> not the buggy results
 
Sam
sigh
 
user4639281
Yeah yeah.
 
Sam
Apparently -7 is actually the fastest bugged result.
 
user4639281
Jun 11 at 19:56, by Closey
@easwee Your last completed review session ended 1 minute and 1 second ago and lasted 29 seconds. You reviewed 6 items, averaging a review every 4 seconds.
 
user4639281
That's the lowest real one
 
Sam
12:38 AM
Ok
 
user4639281
But it is only 6
 
user4639281
So not a full review session
 
user4639281
Jun 26 at 20:26, by Closey
@durron597 Your last completed review session ended 39 seconds ago and lasted 3 minutes and 28 seconds. You reviewed 40 items, averaging a review every 5 seconds.
 
user4639281
That's the fastest full session
 
Sam
@TinyGiant That's not greatly important for what I'll be using the data for.
And I'm missing out whole words now.
 
user4639281
12:41 AM
Lol, complete change of the meaning
 
Sam
A clear sign it's getting late here.
Lol ik
 
Oh hey Sam, why were you hating Smokey?
 
user4639281
Smokey was being a trainwrecker
 
Sam
He destroyed our train.
 
12:46 AM
train ?
 
Real as in my bot ran faster than your review bot?
 
user4639281
@KevinGuan Message train, when multiple users post the same response in a train.
 
Ah, fine.
 
Sam
Ah, fine.
 
@Sam Yeah, that one.
 
user3956566
1:22 AM
hi all, I'm lurking while I'm working
 
Sam
Hiya
 
user4639281
Not working while lurking?
 
Plop!
 
Tiny's quoting while he's voting...
 
Plop
 
1:25 AM
@KevinGuan Wow... reopen vote already.
 
user3956566
@TinyGiant really not sure. I better go back to it
 
user4639281
Probably the OP
 
user3956566
;)
 
user4639281
Don't work too hard.
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad Tried to see if I could get IP banned today. Apparently SE doesn't look too closely at their in/out.
 
1:27 AM
@TinyGiant Rene managed it last week, didn't he?
 
user4639281
I figured out how to make the cv-archiver check more than the last 500 messages, so I told it to check the last 1,000,000
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad No that was an internet problem.
 
@TinyGiant H^*% S^&*
 
user4639281
inorite? Go big or go home.
 
user4639281
Turns out there was approx 1750 requests still in the transcript, 505 of which were closed or deleted.
 
1:29 AM
Now we need to highlight the ones that weren't...
 
user4639281
From now on the closed / deleted requests will be moved at (or around) UTC 0
 
@TinyGiant Just pin it already =p
 
user4639281
Done
 
user4639281
Someone starred the wrong one.
 
@Kyll I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
user4639281
1:32 AM
Supposed to star the original, not the link to the original.
 
Yes! Was hoping to trigger that
 
user4639281
Now everyone is going to star the link, sigh
 
(I meant Pham)
@Kyll The 'put on hold' section covers that, if you don't agree then write the comment yourself — daniel 1 min ago
sigh
 
Sam
@Kyll Have fun
 
Thanks @Tiny, disengaged after the "if you don't like it then do it yourself" argument.
 
user4639281
1:37 AM
Np
 
user4639281
Really? 4 stars?
 
Sam
You askin' for more?
 
user4639281
Well... I'm just going to clear them when no one is looking anyway.
 
Anyway, off to bed
Almost 3am here
 
Sam
Night
 
1:39 AM
You should go too, Sam x)
 
user4639281
Night
 
Sam
@Kyll Yeah, will do soon. :)
 
Bonne nuit!
 
Sam
Cya tomorrow/later today.
 
@Mogsdad Hmm...
 
user3956566
1:40 AM
@Sam bye
 
Sam
I'm not leaving yet.
Still gotta commit my changes :p
Not making that mistake twice.
 
Cya
 
user4639281
@apaul34208 ?
 
Not too sure of the etiquette here, I don't chat much, but it looks to be an unanswerable question with a terrible title.
 
@apaul34208 Some helpful links on the right, on the team page
I should really go to bed now.
 
user4639281
1:45 AM
So a quick crash course:
 
Sam
Ok, I'm off to bed.
Night all
 
user4639281
Close vote requests should somewhat be in the format: [tag:cv-pls] reason question
 
Wouldn't it be fun if we could ask Closey for the crashcourse?
See ya Sam
 
user4639281
This helps us automatically clean up close vote requests
 
user4639281
Night Sam
 
Sam
1:46 AM
@Kyll Interesting idea
Ok, leaving...
 
user4639281
You should include the reason your voted, or say that you're asking for a reason.
 
user4639281
Yeah
 
Sorry about that.
 
user4639281
@apaul34208 That's fine, you didn't know
 
user4639281
We have a userscript which makes cv-pls requests a cinch github.com/SO-Close-Vote-Reviewers/UserScripts/blob/master/…
 
user4639281
 
user4639281
And I recommend reading our FAQ
 
user4639281
If you have any other questions about how the room works, please don't hesitate to ask.
 
@TinyGiant That's like a review queue, with 0 audits! Used up all my cv's playing catch up, and only covered first couple of pages. Will you be refreshing that list periodically?
 
It's not often I see something that strikes a chord in me the way this user/question did, hopefully I won't feel the need to drop in too often.
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad Every day at UTC 0
 
user3956566
1:54 AM
I really do
 
user4639281
@apaul34208 We could use the help if you ever did feel like spending some time in here, otherwise I wish you luck.
 
user4639281
@MrsEd me too
 
user3956566
@TinyGiant I know ;)
 
user3956566
@TinyGiant I second that
 
@TinyGiant Any projects at the moment?
 
user4639281
1:57 AM
Burning down the CVQ
 
user4639281
Other than that, just what comes in as cv-pls requests.
 
user4639281
If we get enough users in here active around this time of night, we might start holding events around this time.
 
user4639281
There are already events, but not for the off-crew.
 
Ah... I've fought that fight... Got a little depressing after a while, so I moved over to VLQ. Perhaps it's time to give it another chance.
 
There was a time, not so long ago, when there would be just 2 of us in here this time of day!
 
user4639281
1:59 AM
We try to make it fun.
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad inorite?
 
Good for script development, anyway!
 
user4639281
Yes it was.
 
user4639281
Now look at us.
 
@apaul34208 - the "unclosed cv-pls requests" pin would be a good place to start!
 
user4639281
2:00 AM
Yeah ^^^ that
 
user3956566
@apaul34208 I did exactly the same until I found this room
 
user4639281
If you want, tomorrow we can get you hooked up to Closey (our friendly neighborhood bot)
 
user4639281
He helps you track how much progress you've made in the queue
 
@Mogsdad where would I find that, sorry not too familiar yet.
 
user4639281
2:04 AM
There will be more closed ones in there as the day drags on, but it is cleared of closed questions every day at UTC 0
 
Ah, thanks.
 
user4639281
np
 
user4639281
Also @apaul34208 one last thing, please make sure that you review those requests to the best of your ability, as you would in the CVQ. Don't assume that the person posting it was correct.
 
Of course, goes without saying.
 
user4639281
3 messages moved to Trash can
 
user4639281
2:11 AM
@Mogsdad you can get a feed from that query too.
 
user4639281
Kind of sucks that you can't search for the tag though
 
user4639281
Oh you can, just not the way you think.
 
user4639281
Recent unclosed close vote requests. This query will be cleared of closed / deleted questions at UTC 0 daily.
 
user4639281
That will have the least amount of false positives by only including messages that have the cv-pls tag.
 
Something wrong there. One of the oldest ones is closed. Why wasn't the request deleted?
 
user4639281
2:17 AM
Must have gotten past the script.
 
Thanks for the assistance, gotta sign off and spend some time with the wife. I'll try to drop in from time to time and lend a hand.
 
user4639281
Thank you :)
 
@TinyGiant Not the only one. Maybe the way that "closed" is identified changed at some point in the past year?
 
user4639281
No, it shouldn't allow you to load the close popup if the question is closed.
 
user4639281
However, sometimes it will return false if the request fails.
 
user4639281
2:20 AM
Also if the link doesn't point to a question, it will return false.
 
Spam? Doesn't answer the question at all.
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad I can't tell, the user is established here so it isn't likely that they would risk it. I can't find their username on the site anywhere.
 
Rob
Not sure if it's spam - seems he's recommending an alternative to git bash on windows
 
@TinyGiant They don't appear to be related to the thing.
 
Rob
that being said it's still a extremely low quality
 
2:31 AM
Hm. So just a crap answer.
 
user4639281
Yeah, it isn't at all related to the question... but I would say NaA to be safe.
 
What was that link for "NO answers"? Ah, this: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/265552/…
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad ?
 
user3956566
@Mogsdad I flagged an NAA, it was link only pointer to apple
 
Wish it would ignore old posts with minimal edits. Someone indented two lines of a 2-year old answer, and the question got reported.
 
user4639281
2:41 AM
That sucks.
 
Gotta love one-click editing, though!
 
user4639281
Oh did you figure that out?
 
@TinyGiant "I feel lucky", you mean? No.
 
user4639281
Oh.
 
Ok, so two clicks...
 
user4639281
2:48 AM
I gotta run for a bit. I'll be back in a few.
 
A mod yesterday said something maybe about not overflagging stuff. Didn't quite understand
 
3:33 AM
@Closey starting
 
@approxiblue Happy reviewing!
 
@Closey starting
 
@Tushar Sorry, you need more permissions to run that command.
 
3:51 AM
@Closey next 15 tags
 
Refreshing the tag listing. Please wait...
@approxiblue The next 5 tags are: 89, 65, 56, 47, 43
@approxiblue The next 15 tags are: 89, 65, 56, 47, 43, 41, 36, 35, 32, 31, 29, 29, 29, 27, 27
 
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[image]"
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 20 hours to continue reviewing.
 
@approxiblue Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
 
@Closey last session stats
 
@approxiblue Your last completed review session ended 13 seconds ago and lasted 24 minutes and 7 seconds. You reviewed 40 items, averaging a review every 36 seconds.
 
user4639281
4:14 AM
@Sam or @gunr could you add @Tushar to Closey v1.0?
 
user4639281
He'll add you when he gets in tomorrow.
 
@TinyGiant Thank you :)
 
user4639281
No problem.
 
user4639281
@Drew NaA and VLQ flags: one flag is the same as 15 flags, it makes no difference to the mods; Spam and Offensive flags: When many flags accumulate the content will be automatically deleted. That is why we do not accept NaA or VLQ flag request in here but Spam and Offensive flag requests are allowed.
 
user4639281
Hey @AndrewCheong
 
4:18 AM
hey @TinyGiant
 
user4639281
How's it going tonight?
 
Good good, yours?
 
user4639281
Pretty decent.
 
so tiny if it is obviously rude, we should flag spam so it gets auto deleted thus saving the mods the trouble?
 
user4639281
Yes
 
4:20 AM
and not worry someone else already did and it is bothering someone
ok thx
 
user4639281
That's what smokedetector is for.
 
user4639281
@AndrewCheong Figured out how to remove all (or most anyways, the script isn't perfect) closed/deleted cv-pls requests.
 
user4639281
In one shot.
 
user4639281
Then I figured out how to get a recent list of all of the unclosed cv-pls requests.
 
Oh, nice.
 
user4639281
4:21 AM
So you can go through them without having the distractions of everything else in between
 
Been busy since this morning, huh?
 
user4639281
Always
 
user4639281
Turns out that out of roughly 1750 requests (minus the already migrated ones) roughly 500 of them were closed / deleted.
 
user3956566
@TinyGiant are we going to have impromptu events here.. erm in roughly 2 hours from now?
 
user4639281
4:24 AM
I haven't posed the idea yet, because I don't think we have enough on just yet to make an event out of it.
 
@TinyGiant... what's up with your profile...
 
user4639281
Flack overstowed?
 
OH!
Haha, once I clicked it and saw Markov chain.
Oh my god, I read that whole thing with some semblance of "understanding." That is scary.
 
user4639281
Lol
 
user4639281
It does kind of fit together somewhat.
 
4:26 AM
I'm starting to feel really weird after watching the recent South Parks.
(Related, kind of, if you haven't seen them.)
 
user4639281
Oh yeah? I haven't watched that in years.
 
Ah, the last few has been a continuing story about ads becoming more and more intelligent,
and now disguising themselves as news articles and stories.
It was just surreal the moment I realized that your profile was not written by a human.
 
user4639281
@MrsEd We can still do the faux events though.
 
user3956566
@TinyGiant nice
 
user4639281
@AndrewCheong Sounds like horse ebooks
 
user4639281
4:28 AM
@AndrewCheong inorite? It sounds like I was drunk.
 
I'm on horse ebooks tumblr now and this is great.
What faux event are we talking about?
 
user4639281
Well, there are actual scheduled events during the other time (that's what I'm calling it now) where people get together and do common tags in the queue.
 
user4639281
Then we can make the biggest dent in the CVQ
 
Ah, nice.
 
user4639281
Right now I'm thinking that it might be a good idea to start holding events at night. But I think we need some more users on before we make a scheduled thing of it.
 
user4639281
4:31 AM
So right now we are doing faux ones.
 
Is there a queue size tracker these days?
 
user4639281
Yeah, rene has one somewhere.
 
user4639281
I think I forgot to bookmark it.
 
No worries, I'll ask him sometime.
 
user4639281
Sounds like a plan. So are you in for a little focused reviewing tonight?
 
4:33 AM
Sure, what time?
 
user4639281
I think we're going for UTC 6
 
user3956566
what is it now tuc?
 
user3956566
utc?
 
user4639281
You can get it at the achievments (rep) menu on SO
 
user3956566
pm?
 
user4639281
4:34 AM
Its 4:34 am utc
 
4:33 am utc
 
user3956566
ok I'll be here at 6 utc
 
user4639281
Sounds good.
 
user3956566
I'll need a break by then
 
So in 1.5 hours, right?
 
user4639281
4:35 AM
Yep
 
@TinyGiant :D I was wondering how this has been working out. Back when the room was first being conceived, this was a major concern, that questions would be unfairly targeted and insta-closed. I'm glad someone's actively advocating for unbiased reviewing.
Erg, I meant to quote what I was replying to. My chat-fu is rusty.
 
user4639281
Yeah, we haven't had a huge problem with it actually happening, but... there were problems.
 
I see.
 
user4639281
Basically we were talking like we were in a private chat.
 
user4639281
And we are very much in the public view.
 
4:43 AM
Ah. Was that part of the motivation to add additional moderators / owners? Rene mentioned something like that.
 
user4639281
In the worst case (and the last one) a user came in and accused us of being some very bad things.
 
user4639281
Needless to say, after that incident a lot of new rules and guidelines were set in place.
 
Well, a healthy system is one that adapts (and listens), so that's good.
 
user4639281
Now we are basically doing everything we can to distance ourselves from looking like a voting mob.
 
user4639281
4:45 AM
Because even if you are not a voting mob, if you look like one then it is just as bad.
 
Right.
One of the original rules was, "If someone links or references a question, you are no longer allowed to review it." There was no way to enforce this though.
 
user4639281
So yeah, we needed a new RO (me) because Durron moved on to greener pastures.
 
user4639281
Yeah, that's not really a useful tactic.
 
user4639281
What we need to encourage is that every user review every post that they see for the content itself regardless of how they got to the post.
 
Never met Durron unfortunately.
 
user4639281
4:47 AM
That's unfortunate.
 
@Drew Marked
 
Hm, true, but I guess at the time, in fear of vote mobs, I thought a draconian law, "If it is in any way easily accessible from this chatroom, everyone refrain from voting please; skip it instead; the question is now off-limits," while extreme, would do the job.
 
user4639281
@Drew Are you sure you want to close that as a duplicate? It is a pretty low quality question and could be closed for some other reason that would allow the automatic deletion script to catch it.
 
But this educated, trust-users-to-do-the-right-thing is also good :-)
 
user4639281
Yeah, I can see how you would come to that conclusion.
 
user4639281
4:49 AM
And I didn't come up with the new idea either, I just encourage it.
 
user4639281
brb
 
I like it.
I'll be back for the event, ttys.
 
i don't know. It is mysql, it is stored procs, that is what the dupe target is
the guy is new, go toward mysqli or pdo
 
user4639281
I'd say it could be closed as unclear very easily.
 
it is not unclear at all to me
and that is my tag
 
user4639281
4:54 AM
Well the question itself doesn't ask a question.
 
user4639281
The close reason "unclear what your problem is" its "unclear what you're asking"
 
i read between the lines. Like the title
 
@TinyGiant Agreed, reopened for closing as Unclear
 
user4639281
@Tushar I appreciate the enthusiasm, but questions should only be referenced once for close votes.
 
user4639281
Wow, now I'm missing whole words in my sentences.
 
user4639281
4:58 AM
That should have been "is not ... its ..."
 
user4639281
@Drew And that is just my opinion, I'm not guaranteeing that I am right or wrong.
 
user4639281
I'm just asking: is it really worth keeping around?
 

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