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9:00 PM
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do you know if you're using the 2.4GHz, or the 5GHz band?
 
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@Tunaki I can't fetch zero tags or a negative number of tags! Please use a number between 1 and 15.
 
@Closey next BUGGY tags
 
9:00 PM
@Tunaki Sorry, I don't understand that. Use commands for a list of commands.
 
user4639281
@TylerH My laptop can only see the 2GHz
 
2.4GHz is more common, "older", which means a lot of other devices can interfere (home phones, microwaves) if they are between the router and your laptop
 
user4639281
Hmmm... so I have to figure out how to make my laptop see the 5GHz
 
well, 5GHz has a smaller range
but more total bandwidth available
 
you need to get less material between you and it, and get a better one
 
9:02 PM
^
s/but/between/
 
What you need is to use the 1.2 Ghz band ;)
 
JAL
lol
 
@NathanOliver yes, if he wants HAM radio operators picking up his packets :-P
 
user4639281
Lol
 
stretch a string
 
user4639281
9:03 PM
Well, I can't get less material between me and it.
 
Maybe they would like some packets. They are probably getting lonely.
 
(if only you could actually do that with a HAM radio)
 
if you place it right you can perhaps.
 
user4639281
It's in the window right now.
 
spend 50 euros or bucks and upgrade
 
user4639281
9:05 PM
Alright, so I don't want high-bandwidth.
 
Required read Get Wired @TinyGiant
 
JAL
@Tunaki how the hell to you get 20 H&I reviews everyday?
talk about FGITW
 
@JAL I'm a bot
 
it's not too hard over 24 hours
 
JAL
dat robo turd polishing
yeah but i'm usually doing other things, like working or sleeping
not F5'ing the review page
 
9:07 PM
priorities
 
I seriously don't understand why the 10k /tools aren't better, with filters, and other things. It's like they try to impede you
 
@Drew I only go to the late answer tool
a lot of spam and NAA
 
someone mentioned it might be the source of your self-report thingies
 
hi
 
to make it truly useful, one has to write their own bot
 
9:09 PM
well it's true that all the posts I report to Smokey come from there
 
passed haskell audit
 
and if you spend like 1 / 2 hour in it, you probably have used all your flags
 
ha
 
user4639281
@honk Hi
 
@Drew because they were an afterthought from the beginning
Giving regular users access to them, I mean
 
9:12 PM
well frankly why you can't do a refresh on close votes ranked by 4 3 2 votes, top 200, without silly arrow drop downs and filter by tag (perhaps). It is lame
so to save you the suspense, you aren't missing much
except for deleted posts. Now that is entertainment
 
yeah I really just want to see deleted posts
and also cast delete votes
 
being able to see deleted posts is really nice yeah
 
and no visuals on deleted comments is good. That would be a stink storm
 
user4639281
@Drew There have been several improvements to the 10k tools since their debut, and many feature requests still waiting to be implemented. The problem is that because it only affects a small portion of the entire user-base, it isn't as important as things that do face the entire user-base.
 
JAL
I just want to hit 10k so I can see that Fifth Element c# answer again
 
9:16 PM
I am still an advocate of 250 CV a day, and 2 Silvers get to close for dupe
 
user4639281
Yeah... that was funny.
 
JAL
also gems like this:
 
user4639281
And technically an attempt to answer the question, whether it was an honest attempt or not being a different question entirely.
 
hi
@rene Lol, From next time I'll take care :) (I deleted that as it reappeared) :D
 
the vocal minority saying 5th element doesn't belong here. That was the bomb of an Answer
 
9:17 PM
Is this better suited for SU, SF or somewhere else?
 
Btw, Smokey didn't catch this stackoverflow.com/a/34143395/4099593 ?
 
JAL
lol KushLord
@rene that question makes me wish we still had "too localized" as a close reason
 
@JAL they could have put so much more effort into that
 
user4639281
@rene That's more of a support question.
 
JAL
@TylerH the gaben user was a nice touch
 
9:19 PM
@BhargavRao yeah, I saw. np.
 
user4639281
I think the "we are not customer support for X" thing would fit there.
 
actually including some engine code from the Source game engine and maybe a reference to Half-Life in the code would've been nice
 
JAL
@TylerH that would have made the hl3 conspirators go crazy
 
@TinyGiant did something like that, tnx
 
user4639281
@rene Saw, voted, yw
 
9:23 PM
a meta post for, well, we have elected Moderators, can we have elected Terminators? Six month term, just deleting stuff outright (not funny stuff though I hope).
 
user4639281
@Drew We have one of those, but he is appointed, not elected.
 
we need more
 
@Drew We have roombas.
 
user4639281
^^^ That
 
JAL
@MadaraUchiha but the roombas were set free
 
9:25 PM
In my eyes, questions should not be deletable for regular users if they're eligible for roomba in 9 days.
There's absolutely no point in deleting it, and you're killing whatever chance there was for OP to improve the question.
 
It would be useful for answers though. A flag by 1 or 2 elected terminators would delete the answer right there (like obvious NAA or others)
 
my Terminators would be fair and balanced
2
 
3am here. Meet ya all tomo :)
Bye
 
@Tunaki currently it's 3 10k users
I can assure you, there are a lot more 10k users than there ever will be "terminators"
You just need to gather people who are interesting in terminating.
If only there was somewhere, like a place where you can talk to a bunch of other people to coordinate this sort of stuff.
 
Terminators would have unlimited termination power
 
JAL
9:29 PM
@MadaraUchiha could there be such a place? Sounds like Magicâ„¢ to me.
 
Not 5, 10 delete votes a day or other handcuffs
 
user4639281
@Nathan I edited your bug report.
 
JAL
@Drew but would obviously be fair and balanced
:P
 
@MadaraUchiha If only there was a place like this that received actual development time from StackOverflow employees...
 
@TylerH What feature are you missing to coordinate crap close/delete
 
9:30 PM
@TinyGiant Thanks.
 
more votes, not coordination
 
user4639281
@MadaraUchiha A place dedicated to coordinated voting? I don't like the sound of that.
 
A lot more flags and delete votes
 
Later guys
 
user4639281
Laterz
 
9:31 PM
Bye
When I go through the Late Answers mod tool, I use my 100 daily flags in 2 hours tops
 
@MadaraUchiha oh not necessarily coordinate closure/deletion
 
JAL
@Drew @gunr and I were talking about something like that on Friday. But he thinks we need more people/collaboration than votes
 
user4639281
Coordinated reviewing sounds so much more useful.
 
@JAL at UTC 2 o'clock votes are gone
 
user4639281
@SmokeDetector ignore- edited
 
9:33 PM
@ThomasWeller we don't do that here
 
passed php audit
 
JAL
Yes, no NAA flag requests please, only close votes
(and sometimes delete votes)
 
just flag as NAA, it'll be handled eventually
 
@ThomasWeller gone
 
user4639281
1 message moved to Trash can
 
9:34 PM
But yeah, next time please, just flag it :)
 
user4639281
> Not an Answer (NaA) and Very Low Quality (VLQ) flag requests are not allowed here; a mod will see them anyway, and the amount of flags on a post has no bearing on the action they take.
>
> Spam and Offensive flag requests are allowed; if enough of these flags accumulate, the post will be automatically deleted.
>
> Discussions about whether or not borderline answers warrant flags are allowed, as long as you are actually interested in a discussion and you aren't trying to coerce users into flagging.
 
When you have a mod right there, it's easier of course :)
 
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 2 hours to continue reviewing.
 
@rene Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
 
@Closey last session stats
 
9:35 PM
@rene Your last completed review session ended 11 seconds ago and lasted 36 minutes and 21 seconds. You reviewed 40 items, averaging a review every 54 seconds.
 
@Tunaki
 
I really wish that the VLQ flag did not exist.
 
Ok, thanks, I'll not bring NAAs again here
 
It gets horribly horribly abused and usually all it needs is a downvote.
 
I definitely think that it would be very useful if some people, call them "Terminators", had an unlimited amount of flags
like mods have an unlimited amount of close votes
 
9:37 PM
@Tunaki and delete votes, and reviews, and flags
 
that is why I nominate Tunaki
 
user4639281
@MadaraUchiha I think that really is explained by a simple lack of the words "Flag descriptions should be interpreted literally."
 
Cyborg version 101
 
JAL
ugh, again!
@StefanFerstl Please do not edit answers that do not answer the question. This answer should be a new question, not an answer to this question. Editing answers in review invalidates community flags raised on them. — JAL 7 secs ago
 
@MadaraUchiha not necessarily delete votes, flags is enough. The VLQ queue is not so much populated
 
user4639281
9:38 PM
Or links to the relevant meta posts should be included in the flag descriptions.
 
JAL
I don't have the auto comment on-hand, but I hope that's clear enough
 
you get very effective users, like Tunaki, and ya say, only be effective so much
 
@JAL Why does it matter if they edit it?
 
user4639281
Edits void flags
 
JAL
^
 
user4639281
9:39 PM
If the edit does not void the reason for the flag, it should not be applied.
 
That is indeed a problem.
 
JAL
That answer should be a new question, not an answer. By editing it, the answer is removed from the queue
 
and @JAL how is the average guy going to know of the existence of flags on it at the moment
 
But remember that the editing user can't see that the answer was flagged
 
JAL
@Drew They wouldn't, but that edit did not solve the major issues with that post, and should not have been done.
 
user4639281
9:40 PM
Well, that's why we educate them
 
JAL
yes, that's why i added that comment
 
but that is not what you were upset about, it was the flag interference thing
so don't deflect it
 
user4639281
If they don't know that those kinds of posts are flaggable, we educate them on that.
 
user4639281
If they don't know that edits void flags, we educate them on that.
 
JAL
i wasn't asking for people to flag the answer as naa, i was just sharing my frustration with users editing posts that are naa
 
9:41 PM
maybe they make it not NAA by the edit (in general)
 
I had that conversation earlier today also in this very room
 
JAL
@Drew That was not the case with this particular answer
 
user4639281
If the edit voids the reason for the flag, by all means, go ahead.
 
i said in general.
it was wrapped in parentheses
 
user4639281
If the edit does not void the reason for the flag, then it shouldn't be applied.
 
9:42 PM
^ yes
 
need to leave, bye!
 
JAL
ok
 
user4639281
@Sam, I just realized there is a typo in your pin.
 
user4639281
@Drew "Off Topic or anything" is not a valid close reason.
 
9:46 PM
then don't go with it
 
Sam
@TinyGiant Yup
I noticed it after it was too late.
 
@TinyGiant Not seeing it.
 
And now you'll be ashamed for all eternity
 
Sam
Well
 
user4639281
@MadaraUchiha To all ... participates:
 
Sam
9:48 PM
It's not as funny as backtits.
 
@Sam lol
 
@TinyGiant ..?
 
might want to delete that. She will be back ya know
 
@Sam Someone at work today wanted to write "assess" and it came out "asses"
 
user4639281
@MadaraUchiha participates !== participants
 
9:49 PM
@TinyGiant I'm aware of that, what is your point?
 
Sam
@MadaraUchiha Lol.
 
user4639281
... it's a typo?
 
Sam
Wait.
Mods can edit messages? Yes, mods can edit messages.
 
Was waiting to see who would catch on first :D
 
user4639281
Ohhhh... sneaky sneaky.
 
Sam
9:50 PM
derp xD
 
considers kicking mod for trolling
3
 
Sam
Oh cool.
 
@rene Try.
 
I rather not ;)
 
Sam
Thanks Madara. :)
 
user4639281
9:51 PM
@rene It would be even funnier if the Mod edited that message.
 
@rene Mortals can't kick gods mods
 
I can make so many wrong comments now that I refrain from any...
 
user4639281
10:08 PM
Nov 3 at 17:35, by gunr2171
Never cv-pls in anger. You need to have a level head at all times, especially when asking for the closure of a post. If you write "cv-pls because this is bad" you will be kicked. Not providing a logical reason for closure is unacceptable. If you can't defend your platform, don't post it.
 
I am happy to defend anything
 
user4639281
That was in reference to your older cv-pls
 
Which of course was closed
 
user4639281
Where you did not supply a close reason and told me "then don't go with it" when I asked you for a valid reason.
 
In the meantime I am off in the queue
 
user4639281
10:13 PM
For future reference, you need to supply at least one valid close reason with each cv-pls request.
 
off topic was one
whatever meant it really doesn't matter, choose 1
 
user4639281
off topic is not a valid close reason, it is a subset of reasons.
 
don't get hung up on it
 
user4639281
We don't do "choose 1" with cv-pls requests. You are requesting a review of your moderation action. If you don't tell us what your action was, then you are really just asking us to close vote the post, which is not what cv-pls requests are for (in this room at least).
 
ok I will scroll the room and look at all the cv-pls requests with various random reasons in there and get back to you will the list of people for you to address
... on further thought, I am busy in the queue
 
user4639281
10:19 PM
I try to address them as I see them, which is what I'm doing here.
 
Rob
Just because everyone does the wrong thing doesn't mean it makes it okay
 
ok scroll up. You will see them
 
@Drew "Everyone does it" is, I think, the worst possible excuse one could think of when confronted with ill behaviour
(By a magic RO)
 
Ok, so everyone be perfect for now on. I will try to do the same
 
10:21 PM
And thank you for closing it Madara
 
user4639281
I don't expect anyone in here to be perfect
 
user4639281
I expect that if you are informed of a room rule you follow it.
 
I emulate others. So no one every again give a custom reason for closure
like "off-topic or whatever"
 
@Drew Giving a custom close reason is fine "because this is about legal matters...", asking to pick one is not
 
user4639281
This came into effect at the beginning of the last month.
 
user4639281
10:23 PM
So we have been educating users that missed the announcement since then.
 
Sam
user image
3
As previously mentioned, the test version will be running under a different account (one of my bots).
 
user4639281
Anyway, now you have been informed of the rule, supply a valid close reason if you submit a close vote request.
 
user4639281
Moving on.
 
@Sam one-box! one-box!
 
Sam
Oh yeah, one one-box a day.
 
10:26 PM
yeaaaaah!
 
Sam
There goes my allowance for today.
 
Still plenty of days left on the One-Box Advent Calendar
 
we have a boat load of asp.net to clear if anyone wants to post any. We are clearing tags afterall
 
Ok, test was successful.
 
10:56 PM
stackoverflow.com/q/34144892/3933332 Advent of code question :)
Do we need a: tag?
 
no
 
Just joking of course :P
 
user4639281
@Rizier123 That would be a meta tag (I realize you're just kidding but for the transcript's sake)
 
@TinyGiant Do we find a question for each day? Day 2 , Day 3 , Day 4, .. , Day 7
 
Sam
11:13 PM
Just waiting for some CI to complete, then I'll boot up Closey.
 
user4639281
Wonderful.
 
Sam
... let the fun begin.
No idea how/what'll go wrong this time.
 
user4639281
My intarwebz dun died.
 
Sam
11:30 PM
And the chat client decided to stop working.
 
Maybe he is just shy?
 
user4639281
Maybe his internet sucks too
 
Sam
Probably
Found/killed the bug.
 
@TinyGiant didn't you fix the little problem with the enter key?
 
Sam
Rebooting...
 
11:40 PM
Hey everyone! (SOCVR chatbot started, linux v2 test!)
 
Sam
Finally.
@Pham add user 2415822
 
@Sam Ok, I added JAL (2415822) to the tracked users list.
 
Sam
As per his request.
 
user4639281
@braiam, it never got pushed to master, thanks for reminding me. Once my router decides to connect to the Internet, I'll update it.
 
Hey everyone! (debuggin' your probz)
 
Sam
11:59 PM
Derp
 

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