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11:08 AM
@BhargavRao This should be a dupe right? Can you find one? stackoverflow.com/questions/34116668/python-elif-bug
Okay never mind, found it.
 
11:21 AM
Hiya
 
Plop
 
@KevinGuan Yep. It's closed now :)
 
> marked as duplicate by Kevin Guan, Martijn Pieters♦ 17 mins ago
:D
 
And also The OP for that lists question came back and accepted it
 
@BhargavRao Oh, that's a good news right? :)
 
11:32 AM
Yep. An accept :D
 
Also maybe you can get these 50 rep in one week :)
@BhargavRao Looks not, but posted by a 0.5k user?
 
VLQ? or DV?
 
Since I don't know anything about android nor Java, not sure. @MrsEd Are you here now?
 
Thanks for sharing! This is a programming fact that any Java programmer are aware of. What's your question? — Unihedron 1 min ago
cv-plz the q
 
@BhargavRao I edited to the core part, which is a single line...
 
11:42 AM
I guess it is better to leave a comment to the poster.
 
lol "i am already stuck..." that's honest stackoverflow.com/questions/34116656/…
 
12:28 PM
^ please reject the edit also
 
12:39 PM
@Tunaki Too many, too many, too many bad answers.
 
12:50 PM
Q: Why is tonight so quiet?
 
Sam
A: Because it's the weekend.
And most people probably have a life.
 
@Sam Define life
 
Sam
@Tunaki Can't sorry. Never really had one.
 
> What have you tried?
I have tried asking on Stack Overflow.
 
golden
 
12:53 PM
@Unihedron I used to have a link for that
Lost it in the sands of time.
 
@Tunaki Sorry, I don't understand that.
@Sam Sam's life moved to Trash
 
1:09 PM
@rene When you come back, you might want to take a look at that Meta post: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/311837/1743880
 
1:21 PM
hi
 
Hey, Robin, what's the matter?
 
I have a javascript problem lol
 
Sam
Wrong room I'm afraid
 
Yep, I know, that's why I deleted the shout :)
clicked the wrong room haha
 
Sam
Oh ok. lol
 
1:32 PM
@Tunaki done and thanks @Deduplicator to take the first hit
 
1:43 PM
@rene I'd suggest that add these parts of our vote up privilege page:
> What is voting up?
Voting up is how the community indicates which questions and answers are most useful and appropriate.

When should I vote up?
Whenever you encounter a question, answer or comment that you feel is especially useful, vote it up!
 
1:54 PM
Sleep time, night all.
 
Sam
Night
 
Bonne nuit
 
Bonne nuit!
 
 
1 hour later…
3:15 PM
any suggestions of what triggered the spam warning here? it's not an audit. i.stack.imgur.com/p6sqc.png
 
@cybermonkey could make it easier by posting a non one-boxed link :)
 
The usual: Day 6 in Java
 
@cybermonkey ummm - not sure
 
maybe a bug?
 
3:23 PM
^ OP answered themselves "Oops. Seems to work. I think I've made mistake in the path name."
 
@JonClements maybe the account has had some post deleted as spam?
 
Ahhh - not quite... but looking further - it looks like that account is posting from a network that has had recent spam posted from it... so that'd be why
 
was in the middle of writing this
 
@KevinGuan why?
 
 
1 hour later…
user4639281
4:36 PM
Hello
 
Sam
Hello
 
hi
 
we all bow in front of your majesty
 
user4639281
lol
 
oh gawd... is bowing required or something?
 
user4639281
4:43 PM
Nah
 
4:59 PM
@TinyGiant All fixed. Updated master.
@JonClements What? We're going bowling? What did I miss?
 
Bowling sounds cool - let's go!
 
Sam
Count me in!
 
5:25 PM
on a spam scale from 1 to 10, how much would you rate this?
 
@Tunaki Can't say, because the flag/star/reply buttons are displayed on top of the link.
 
@Tunaki 10. He recommends the same product in another answer.
On the other hand, he shows disclosure.
But I think it fails at stackoverflow.com/help/promotion
 
I flagged the two answers as spam (and voted to delete)
 
5:48 PM
@cybermonkey is it really? OP has shown some code
which looks like it's doing what OP wants
 
I wouldn't close that cyber. Perhaps a vba guru comes in with a slightly faster function
 
user4639281
6:05 PM
@cybermonkey One: that isn't a valid reason as per the discussion in the last room meeting. Two: It doesn't seem like it is off-topic to me.
 
user4639281
That said, there is no question asked, though it seems like that would be a fairly simple edit.
 
user4639281
@cybermonkey There, I've edited the question.
 
Sam
@TinyGiant Can I have a cookie too?
 
user4639281
Sure, here's a cookie.
 
user4639281
/gives cookie
 
Sam
6:14 PM
/takes cookie
Thanks.
 
steals cookie
 
Sam
slaps Tuna and takes cookies back
 
user4639281
Lol
 
user4639281
Come now children, no fighting over cookies. :)
 
user4639281
Only bots get to fight over cookies.
 
6:16 PM
=(
 
Sam
But, Daddy. He started it!
 
user4639281
Yeah, and I ended it.
 
user4639281
:P
 
You had one the last time and I didn't!
 
user4639281
Fine then, cookies for everyone!
 
Sam
6:17 PM
Yay!
 
user4639281
/throws cookies into the air
 
\o/
We succeded!
 
Sam
grabs all the cookies
 
wat, but daddy! he stole everything
 
user4639281
Alright, in the hole with you.
 
6:21 PM
Good for you. Everything is for me now. \o/
 
Sam
But daddy!
It's not fair!
He had all the waffles!
SOCVR Day Care
 
user4639281
I don't care, stealing is not allowed, now get in the hole!
 
user4639281
:P
 
Sam
@TinyGiant But wait, I'm a bot...
 
user4639281
Oh yeah that's right.
 
user4639281
6:27 PM
But you're only allowed to fight other bots for cookies, because then it's entertainment.
 
Sam
Ohhh
 
user4639281
Otherwise we would have cookie-stealing bots running around.
 
Sam
cough
 
user4639281
@MadaraUchiha I've seen that comment exchange in one way or another many times, although the "what have you tried?" comment is not constructive, and usually signals a misunderstanding of the Too Broad close reason.
 
Sam, hide!
 
6:34 PM
@TinyGiant I perceive two problems with today's closing mechanism
1. It still comes across as something that's final, a questions gets put on hold, and no one ever looks at it.
And if it happened to have a bad edit that won't get it some love in the reopen queue, it's likely to never be reopened.
 
user4639281
I can agree with those sentiments.
 
2. The language used in the reasons is too high for most non-English native-speakers.
 
cc Undo? =p
 
user4639281
And that is a problem with any English-centric site that also serves non-native English speakers.
 
user4639281
Unless you're going to go into internationalization territory and provide close reasons in every language, I don't think that is a problem easily solved.
 
6:38 PM
@Tunaki Rollback war was engaged, fallback
 
user4639281
@SmokeDetector ignore- tantrum
 
nice combo: defaces question, posts non answer, accepts it, post non constructive comment
 
@Tunaki Needed one more comment on his answer and it would have been perfect
 
@Kyll just did
 
user4639281
Closed by Jon Skeet, wow he should be feel honored.
 
6:40 PM
Ha, I voted before Jon Skeet on that one!
 
@Tunaki My name is closer to his than your name is \o/
 
lol
 
user4639281
And the rollback war has started.
 
It was already started with Jon Skeet actually
 
who needs the comedy channel
 
6:43 PM
Any diamond to freeze this user?
 
user4639281
​
 
user4639281
​
 
@TinyGiant It was deleted/undeleted a few times before
 
ChrisF is on it
 
user4639281
Cool
 
6:44 PM
@Kyll a few as in 6 times
 
user4639281
@MadaraUchiha Back on topic: However, the close reason I see misused the most is the Too Broad close reason.
 
@TinyGiant Yes, because Too Broad is the new "Too localized" (ironically)
It became the RTFM reason.
 
@clo next 2 tags
 
user4639281
Yeah
 
Refreshing the tag listing. Please wait...
@Drew The next 2 tags are: 139, 70
 
6:49 PM
why can't rtfm be a reason
 
@Drew I think there can, and there should.
 
user4639281
I'm just afraid that if every "How do I..." question gets closed as Too Broad then we're going to be stuck with just debugging questions that in the end turn into typo questions. Eventually, all questions coming in will be closed and we won't have a service any more.
 
custom Close Reason of that and the backlash would be interesting
 
@TinyGiant Stack Overflow is very much too popular for its own good
 
A lot of times, "How do I..." questions only have a couple of good answers, the others are just variations
 
6:51 PM
The system works great under certain pro:noob ratios, and it's now creaking under the pressure.
The more noobs coming in, the more biased and "hostile" the regulars become
 
user4639281
Well, that and the fact that good questions are being closed because close voters don't understand the intended usage of the close reason.
 
And the more hostile and aggressive people get with their closing, the narrower the scope of the questions you accept.
But that won't stop the noobs from flooding in
 
user4639281
Until eventually, we become a Q&A service that doesn't accept Q's
 
A service that accepts proposed Questions, that get auto-deleted in 12 hours unless the love sets in on them
 
user4639281
I understand how that can seem kind of backwards because we are in a room about closing stuff, but this room is about closing stuff that needs to be closed for the right reasons. We aren't here (at least I'm not) to just close every question on the site, we are here to maintain (and hopefully improve) the Q&A quality of Stack Overflow.
 
7:04 PM
I agree with @TinyGiant I wouldn't necessarily close "How do I..." questions with no code as long as the question is clearly formulated. The reason is that I often find such questions useful myself.
 
user4639281
Some of the most useful questions on the site follow that formula, as well as there being a vast amount of them.
 
@TinyGiant more like this: stackoverflow.com/…
 
user4639281
That's still a huge number of questions, and some very high scoring ones at that.
 
user4639281
If questions like that should be closed, then we have a looooooot of work ahead of us.
 
7:08 PM
I love the diversity of people here that ask questions :P
 
@TinyGiant I don't think they should be closed. "How do I foo the bar?" like those one are perfectly clear and have one or two correct answers
 
user4639281
Exactly, it actually depends on the scope of the question, not the phrasing and keywords used to ask the question.
 
user4639281
That's why I usually spend most of my close votes reviewing "too broad; [javascript]" because far too often users vote and flag as too broad when the question is really on-topic.
 
user4639281
I actually usually find a question or two worth answering when doing that.
 
Jeff gave a piece of wisdom on UL over that matter:
11
A: At what level does "do X for me" become off-topic?

Jeff AtwoodI certainly defer to the others here who are active participants -- but our general philosophy is to heavily favor answerers. We feel that the world is awash in questions, but not answers. Answers are the real unit of work in any Q&A system. Therefore, the only logical thing to do is to maximiz...

it basically reads: if it's boring, it shouldn't get answered
 
user4639281
7:16 PM
> If this means aggressively closing ... uninteresting questions, so be it
 
user4639281
Well, that flies in the face of everything we hold dear.
 
user4639281
But that is for unix.SE, and we have a different SOP than over there.
 
actually, that's the general recommendation
Jeff Atwood on February 22, 2011
On Podcast #58, Joel and I had a disagreement. Not the first, and certainly won't be the last:
> The key distinction to make here, in my mind, is that all questions are ultimately in service of the people answering them. That is the audience you need to satisfy if you want to have any hope of creating and sustaining a community of peers learning from each other. The minimum bar for a question is not "is this on-topic?", but rather "is this somewhat interesting and on-topic?".
 
user4639281
Yeah, but we don't have a close reason for "This question is boring", IMO that is a reason to downvote but never a reason to close vote.
 
too broad applies
and as always, you can make your own
 
7:20 PM
Possible spam: 1 2
 
user4639281
If you don't find it interesting enough to answer, move on. Someone else may find the question interesting. Closing a question to all other answerers just because you don't want to answer it is not useful.
 
@Tunaki the first one I blame the question
 
user4639281
IMO Too Broad should never mean "Sorry, but your question bores me, so I'm going to stop you from ever possibly getting an answer, even though your question isn't overly broad."
 
@TinyGiant well, if I miss a interesting answer because the site is flooded by uninteresting ones... what the hell I'm doing here in first place?
 
user4639281
"Interesting" is subjective. That entirely depends on the person reading the question.
 
7:23 PM
you have to keep motivated answerers, which are very hard to come by
 
user4639281
What you may find boring, I may find scintillating.
 
well, that can be blamed to a difference of skill, mind you
 
user4639281
Who are you to say that I cannot answer the question because it doesn't interest you?
 
no, I'm saying that the question was a waste of my time and I don't want similar flooding the site.
and the system give me tools to put them in their corresponding buckets
 
user4639281
Ok, you perceive it as a waste of your time to answer such a question, even if it isn't actually off-topic, so you want to close the question even if I don't think it is a waste of time to answer it.
 
7:25 PM
Definitive spam: 3
 
yeah, that's how I say: don't make me waste my time
look, I have no problems with people asking me simple questions, but that's not my motivation to be on SO
 
user4639281
If you don't want to waste your time answering an on-topic question that doesn't interest you, downvote it and move on. Close voting an on-topic question simply because it does not interest you is not justifiable.
 
user4639281
You don't have to answer every question that comes in.
 
if I don't find interesting questions on SO, I either go away or make them go, there's no compromise
@TinyGiant you are missing the point, if of every 100 question only one is mildly interesting... how I'm supposed to find it?
I can't, I simply can't read 100 questions just to find the one
 
user4639281
Yeah, I get that, but that doesn't warrant closure of on-topic questions just because they aren't interesting.
 
7:29 PM
well, for my point of view, it does, and achieve the results I want
 
user4639281
Because "interesting" is not an objectively measurable thing.
 
I read 200 questions to sometimes find the 1. Rarely, but it happens
 
it is, I'm measuring that this conversation isn't interesting, because I'm tired of having this conversation
 
But this site allows people to downvote and vote to close, and not even explain why. It even tolerates real bad cases of it
 
user4639281
Anyways. I have to run for a bit. I'll be back soon.
 
7:30 PM
What's the point of reading the question at all? There's a good chance that you can make your decision of "Do I find this question interesting enough to answer it" just by looking at the title
 
likewise, I don't find interesting questions since I'm tired of seeing the same simple questions
 
user4639281
Well, duplicates are a different story, for another time.
 
@Tunaki normally that's what I do, and only act on the extremely egregious one
and basically part of my sharp decline in participation overall
 
@Closey starting
 
@Vogel612 Sorry, you need more permissions to run that command.
 
7:41 PM
oh come on, seriously??
 
We are on the test branch
@Closey add user 1803692
 
@rene Ok, I added Vogel612 (1803692) to the tracked users list.
 
@Vogel612 there you go
 
Wonderful, thanks. The only issue remaining now is that my Internet connection just died....
 
@Vogel612 and somehow you still can chat
 
7:48 PM
120% of people exaggerate
 
@Vogel612 That is sad. When is the funeral?
 
@Tunaki it's called mobile
@rene it just resurrected
@Closey starting
 
@Vogel612 You don't need to run this command anymore! When you start reviewing I should notice it and record the start of the record.
 
oh cool
 
An error happened in User Watcher Manager
0: Exception has been thrown by the target of an invocation.
1: The given key was not present in the dictionary.
----
at System.Collections.Concurrent.ConcurrentDictionary`2[System.Int32,System.DateTime].get_Item (Int32 key) [0x00014] in /build/mono/src/mono-4.0.4/external/referencesource/mscorlib/system/collections/Concurrent/ConcurrentDictionary.cs:957
at CVChatbot.Bot.UserWatchersManager.HandleReviewLimitReached (SOCVRDotNet.User user) [0x00013] in /mnt/storage/jenkins/workspace/RunCVChatbot_branchTest/CVChatbot/CVChatbot.Bot/UserWatchersManager.cs:237
@Vogel612 I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
7:58 PM
LOL
 
yea I'm also finished...
 
@sam ^^
 
CLOSEY CRASHED
\o/
 
because I already blew through 39 votes today before I remembered I can get cool stuff
Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 4 hours to continue reviewing.
 
@Closey alive
 
7:58 PM
@rene I'm not dead yet!
 
@Vogel612 ah, that is valuable info for @sam
 
> CVChatbot.Bot.UserWatchersManager.HandleReviewLimitReached (SOCVRDotNet.User user) [0x00013] in
looks like he tried to handle reaching the review limit before the session started...
 
I'm guessing when you finish before even starting, something messes up somewhere
 
who'd've thought
is there an experienced java reviewer here, btw.?
 
Java, yes. Experienced, not sure... :D
 
8:02 PM
Did you try jQuery?
 
I rumbled through duplicates and there was around a fourth of questions marked as duplicate of "What is a null-poiner-exception and how do I fix it?"
 
@Vogel612 yep, probably for good reason
 
so that's just the normal madness then?
 
it is a canonical question for NPE
When there is a question where the OP doesn't understand what a NPE is, it gets closed as a dupe of that question
because the answer is always basically the same
So... normal madness I guess yes :)
 
probably the highest rep user with a link-only answer I've seen so far: stackoverflow.com/a/34121658/2422013
 
8:13 PM
@cybermonkey 13k is small fries...
I've seen 50k and up...
 
@Vogel612 it's rare to see a 13k-er post a link-only answer though
 
ive seen a ~10-20k rep use answers to point to the fact that it is a duplicate on their own question ><
 
ive seen 100k do that
 
in fact, if anyone deserves 0 rep, it's them. all the answers from them that I've just looked at are literally pinching text from another source, re-wording it, and then attributing said source
 
@cybermonkey actually rewriting isn't even bad...
It's good that the same problem is explained in different ways.
 
8:17 PM
@Vogel612 it's not even that. they literally format some text from the source for SO, and then post the link to the source
it's the sort of thing I'd expect a sub-1k-er to do, let alone a 10k+
 
hmm.. I actually received one such answer... It was a more exotic question and the source had some explanation to it...
sometimes that's the cleanest way to answer the question and it's not like that answer is a link-only answer
also I didn't know about grepcode before I came to SO either..
 
linking to grepcode is not useful in itself
it is better to copy the what you're linking to directly in the answer
 
'course...
I'm not a 3k noob everywhere :D
 
@TinyGiant can Plz guide me.. be added to the edit fix script? (cc @Mogsdad) see it live here
 
8:21 PM
hmm... interesting.. why do I have 15 cvs left?
 
@Vogel612 you get 50 votes and 40 reviews
 
... still doesn't add up.
 
So you probably clicked leave open 5 times
 
ahh.. that makes sense :)
thanks
 
You're welcome
 
Sam
8:26 PM
Yes yes
I know it's buggy
 
Drew passed a audit!
 
Grr... Out of close votes
 
user4639281
@rene if Mogsdad doesn't before I get to my computer then I will.
 
user4639281
My phone reeeaaally wanted to say Mogadishu
 
I'm fine with Mogadishu
@TinyGiant did you ever consider checking for the tag in the title?
 
8:35 PM
if it's closed that's lipstick on a pig
 
user3956566
8:57 PM
@KevinGuan what's up?
 
user3956566
morning :)
 
user4639281
@rene been meaning to, haven't gotten around to it yet
 
@MrsEd morning!
 
@TinyGiant Can Any suggestions are appreciated :) also be added to the edit script cc @Mogsdad live here
 
user4639281
Yep
 
user3956566
8:59 PM
you can tell I'm waking up I was expecting a link to google maps ^^ Mogsdad lives here
 
wait
 
user3956566
@rene am I missing something, I don't understand how the answerer knew what line number?
 
Sam
@MrsEd Mornin'
 
user3956566
@Sam morning Sam :) I said morning to you last night before I went to bed
 
user3956566
 
Sam
9:07 PM
@MrsEd The first revision contained a link to his site.
Which was edited out.
 
user3956566
@Sam ah
 
Sam
@MrsEd Lol
 
user3956566
@Sam :D
 
@MrsEd good point, both the question and the answer are useless. I wouldn't bother to start a CSI episode on it ;)
 
user3956566
@rene hahahhaha I like that
 
9:10 PM
a lot of CSI episodes started here
 
user3956566
:)
 
user3956566
how are you this fine morning/night Drew?
 
quite well, doing my civic (dis)duty
 
user3956566
are we all court ordered here? lolol
 
user3956566
^^ better make sure that is taken as joke by passer bys
 
9:15 PM
I don't take orders, so...
 
user3956566
rene, we were kicking around some ideas for meta.. I'll get you link to an idea
 
I'm not sure if I can take anymore meta today
 
user3956566
 
user3956566
there's no rush on this, it's going to be carefully drafted and refined until perfect (will never hit meta)
 
user3956566
oh @rene I see why. Now a random comment taken out of context really does mis represent a person
 
9:23 PM
@MrsEd I see what you try to achieve but I really doubt that will ever get implemented or well received for that matter. A lot of the quality problems arise from the lack of voters. I see way to many proposals that try to fix a symptom but not the root cause. But I'll give it some brain-time to figure out if it might fly. So consider this as my first, FGITW response.
@MrsEd Yeah, I might have stepped over a line there ... but it turned out OK I think.
 
user3956566
@rene yeh I tend to agree, hence it is not posted. It would be better to try and get more votes. As it stands so many votes age away..
 
user3956566
@rene I made a comment that I think was diplomatic mind you my best attempts at diplomacy are usually misguided
 
@MrsEd use the .md extension in the filename to get it rendered using markdown
 
user3956566
@cimmanon .md extension?
 
user3956566
how do you go into a separate chat with someone?
 
user3956566
9:28 PM
@cimmanon can we have a quick separate chat?
 
user3956566
@cimmanon ah thanks.. :)
 
i am going to be somewhat busy for a while
 
user3956566
@cimmanon that's ok, it was only a 30 second job, when you have time.. well I just wanted to apologise
 
user3956566
I didn't think I should go beyond that in here.
 
9:48 PM
Drew passed a audit!
 
Let me prep some hot chocolat and get reviewing....
 
Now is Monday morning
The weekend is ending
The new week is comming
*What will happen in the new week?* Kevin asked @Closey:
And plop!
 
Sam
Hi Kevin
And Paul
 
@MrsEd Oh, about is this an answer or not: stackoverflow.com/questions/20737200/…
Looks like @Tunaki edited it.
 
user3956566
@KevinGuan Kevin, Kevin, Kevin shakes head I vote to close as not enough rhyming hahahahaha
 
user3956566
9:55 PM
@KevinGuan oh, good edit LOLOLOL
 
@MrsEd Hey! It should be closed as not enough :P
 
user3956566
@KevinGuan no, I felt the magic Kevin, I felt it! sniff
 
@rene Because I think OP doesn't know that Why do we need vote on SO.
:P
 
sure
 

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