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@TinyGiant We could do the same for 20k users to delete something or so. Just to get things done quicker, faster and easier.
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I figured out a trick that exposed all of Stack Exchange's secrets, so now it is pretty simple for me to interface with chat.
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@Rizier123 I think a bot is sounding better and better.
@TinyGiant Yeah, but mine's probably a bit more efficient. It hacks the WebSocket constructor so that it can see all the websocket traffic between SE servers and the chat client JS.
Let us create Smoke's little brother :P?
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Ahh, mine just piggybacks the client side.
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00:27
Relevant:
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in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, Nov 30 at 17:01, by Shog9
You'll notice that some moderators will routinely decline flags on link-only answers if the answer is heavily voted and/or accepted. The implication is, "this answer has been useful - edit it so that it continues to be useful"
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@Drew done
thx :p
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00:43
@TinyGiant so does this mean, don't flag big upvoted link only answers? unless the link is dead. Edit and add info instead..?
@TinyGiant I went through, so did gunr, paul & nathan - I would expect that thinned it out nicely.
@MrsEd Pretty much. I've flagged this one twice now, and edited it. Current flag is pending, and will probably be disputed as was the first.
@SmokeDetector why?
@Mogsdad Body - Position 4107-4111: fuck
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@MrsEd If the answer has been proven to be useful then we owe it to the poster to at least try editing it.
@SmokeDetector edited--
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@MrsEd If the link is dead or you just can't figure out what information in the link relates to the post, a custom flag will have better luck I think. Also, in most cases, the question is the real problem. If the question is the problem then it should be dealt with first.
00:53
@SmokeDetector close it!
@SmokeDetector closed in the usual way. Amazing it only had the one bad word...
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@Mogsdad That question though... I want to say too broad.
@TinyGiant inorite?
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But, the second answer seems to say the opposite.
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By Jeremy, go figure.
00:58
We must be talking about different questions... what did I link to? I meant this.
Oh - yeah, that.
Broad, but no new answers, so doesn't meet the "no harm" test.
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@TinyGiant that's actually a good idea.. look at the question first
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Yeah... that upvoted answer just really stinks. I hope your edit got the point across.
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@Mogsdad the flag options I have on that one are limited i.sstatic.net/o5LYi.png
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I don't understand why the flag options on questions and answers vary
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Because flags on questions are different than flags on answers.
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01:04
You cannot flag a question as not an answer for one, because well... of course it isn't an answer.
you can't flag NAA on a question, because it's actually a question
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Ninja-ed
you lag ¬_¬
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my custom flag on that answer i.sstatic.net/43bZI.png
They're different because - oh. Darn.
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01:07
lol
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@TinyGiant yeh, but there was no low quality flag on the answer.. I've noticed they vary... hm, I'll look on meta and if there's no question, ask one and get screen shots of all the variations.. or I could do something productive in my life.... nah go to meta :)
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Lol
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it's bad Tiny lol
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@MrsEd I think you will have to provide examples of questions and answers where the flag dialog differs from the norm in order to get a good reception.
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@TinyGiant yes, totally agree... which is why I had a mini dilemma.. time spent on SO or with family lolol (how bad am I?)
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01:10
Yeah.... that's a common conundrum.
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I'm going to be out for a little bit. I'll catch up when I get back.
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bye
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my investigation in flags, the flags vary depending on whether there are upvotes on the question
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@Closey starting
@MrsEd Sorry, you need more permissions to run that command.
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01:16
ok Closey
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hm @Closey current tag
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@Closey commands
Below is a list of commands for the Close Vote Chat Bot

Everyone
    alive - A simple ping command to test if the bot is running.
    commands - Shows this list.
    help - Prints info about this software.
    running commands - Displays a list of all commands that the chat bot is currently running.
    status - Tests if the chatbot is alive and shows simple info about it.

Registered
    audit stats - Shows stats about your recorded audits.
    completed tags [min <#>] - Shows the latest tags that have been completed by multiple people.
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can someone grab the tags from Closely, my registration has lapsed (prob cos I hurt Closey's feelings)
@Closey current tags
@Closey alive
01:19
@Braiam I don't want to go on the cart!
@Closey status
SOCVR ChatBot version 1.0.0.0, running for 3 hours, 15 minutes and 17 seconds.
@Closey running commands
@Braiam The following is a list of commands that I'm currently running:
 | Command          | For User        | Started       |
 |----------------------------------------------------|
 | Running Commands | Braiam (792066) | 0 seconds ago |
@Closey current tags
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01:20
@Braiam closey is unwell
@Closey refresh tags
@Braiam Sorry, you need more permissions to run that command.
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thanks for helping Braiam
user3956566
who looks after closey?
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@Sam closey is unwell again
01:28
@Closey current tags
@Closey starting
@Undo You don't need to run this command anymore! When you start reviewing I should notice it and record the start of the record.
Oh, yay
Morning
@TomZych I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
@Undo I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
Wow, Closey 2.0 :)
01:32
Undo passed a audit!
@Undo It looks like you've finished reviewing . Is that right?
@Closey no
!!/test Here is another very good demo css-tricks.com/animations-the-angular-way editable here: tinyurl.com/hpyyona
Fine
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Hey @KevinG
Hey, did you win the election and be a RO? :D
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Yes I did.
01:44
Congratulate!
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Thanks
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@Closey refresh tags
Refreshing the tag listing. Please wait...
@TinyGiant Tag data has been refreshed.
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@Closey next 10 tags
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There we go.
01:48
Too late
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Try not to overload him.
Yeah, that one.
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8 messages moved to Trash can
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Oops, one too many
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@Closey next 10 tags
01:49
@TinyGiant The next 10 tags are: 139, 70, 65, 58, 51, 42, 33, 32, 31, 31
:P
Okay, I'll go to review (before Closey dead again, I don't trust Sam's bot now).
@KevinGuan I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
Kevin passed a audit!
@Undo You've completed 40 CV review items today, thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 35 minutes, averaging to a review every 52.5 seconds.
TomZych passed an audit!
@KevinGuan You've completed 40 CV review items today, thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 22 minutes, averaging to a review every 32.9 seconds.
02:17
Thanks
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02:32
am I registered with closey?
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@Closey current session
@MrsEd Sorry, you need more permissions to run that command.
i would ask Sam or Gunr when they are around
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No, it doesn't look like it on the new one.
@clo next 2 tags
02:35
Refreshing the tag listing. Please wait...
@Drew The next 2 tags are: 139, 70
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@Sam or @gunr please add @MrsEd to the tracking list for closey 2.0
user3956566
thnx
user3956566
^^ duplicate of Ops own question
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02:50
this stackoverflow.com/a/34100375/3956566 Op flags questions as dup and then answers it.
03:01
@Closey add user 3956566
@gunr2171 Ok, I added MrsEd (3956566) to the tracked users list.
@TinyGiant @MrsEd done
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@gunr2171 so we're not using starting anymore?
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and thanks
this is the "new" version, which auto-starts
also a different database
afk
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03:03
ta
@MrsEd I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
user3956566
thnx closey
user3956566
this is a bad question with an accumulation of bad answers stackoverflow.com/questions/34091203/…
@MrsEd Closed
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@Undo thanks :)
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03:21
possible idea for meta. Do you reckon there's any point asking for a freeze on posting answers when a question receives for example 2 close votes and has net votes of zero or <0? It seems people race to answer some bad questions.
@MrsEd Not a bad idea
Although people would just upvote it and then answer it
You might go with a temporary freeze for the first x minutes when there are more close votes on the question than net score
I.e. a question with 1 cv and net score 0 would be frozen, one with 2 cvs and net score 1 would be frozen
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@MrsEd There was something posted recently
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Let me find it.
But said freeze should only apply for the first x minutes, where x is a fairly low number. Just enough to keep FGITW'ers away
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03:23
yep, that's a good idea. cos we spend a lot of time closing questions and then flagging the answers
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@KevinGuan lol what?
@MrsEd doesn't works and doesn't work :P
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@KevinGuan Nice basic English mistake you made there :P
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if you can't find the meta post @TinyGiant do you reckon we should draft a question here for meta @Undo?
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03:25
149
A: Make it easier to close job shop "gimme teh codez" questions

Brad LarsonTo riff on Shog9's answer, what if we didn't look at close votes as the way to stop terrible questions like this? What else could we do? James presented an interesting proposal on Meta.SE last year: what if we automatically closed any question that got below a net score of -5? Give something lik...

@TinyGiant Noooooo one-box :P
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@KevinGuan No one-boxing of images.
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One-boxing meta posts is fine.
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As long as it is not in excess.
user3956566
that's discrimination Tiny hahahaha
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03:28
that was a joke btw
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You'll notice that one-boxing comments is also allowed, as long as it isn't in excess, and you're not just posting all of your meta comments here pining for upvotes.
Okay, I remember that rene said sometimes a one-box is fine, but don't always use one-box showing questions.
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@TinyGiant that covers closing yes?
Yep :)
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No, you shouldn't for questions you want to close.
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03:29
and it is not implemented yet
@TinyGiant Oh, yep.
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But meta posts relevant to the discussion at hand are fine.
Okay got it.
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@TinyGiant shouldn't what?
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@MrsEd You shouldn't one-box questions that your trying to close.
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03:30
Just post a close vote review request.
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@TinyGiant oh yeh, I knew that one ;)
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add a char before it
Yeah, that one.
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sooooooooooo my proposal to draft a meta question imposing a (as Undo suggested) temporary freeze on questions that have 'x' number of close votes and net 'y' number of downvotes, to prevent fgitw
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@MrsEd It's saying instead of closing, if a post reaches -5, put it in a state similar to being on-hold
03:32
Looks like this answer should be a comment right? stackoverflow.com/a/34100927/5299236
@MrsEd Well, I still remember that SO's logo was changed to StackOverflooooooow when 10m. :P
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@MrsEd If you feel that the discussion I linked above does not cover the situation that you're describing, then by all means go ahead.
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@TinyGiant oh I was not distinguishing between onhold and closed.. yes.. the questions with -5 net downvote don't auto go on hold yet?
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No
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It's just a proposal atm
well if that is a comment @KevinGuan it is a pretty decent comment. Sometimes one needs to use the Answer section for formatting, and for writing a lot
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03:33
@TinyGiant no it doesn't, but I think it's much more productive to ask for opinions here and make a better suggestion than I could on my own
@Drew Agreed, but it's not a comment (or it's not an answer).
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That's fine, if you want to write something up on gist.github.com (save it as a .md file for markdown formatting) then I'll provide my opinions.
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@TinyGiant ah that's what I'm looking for, thanks. Will do
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You can reference the post I mentioned above too.
@KevinGuan I guess I was answering your statement, should it be a comment. So i am saying no it should not be
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03:35
yep
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@KevinGuan Not a clear cut case of NaA.
Fairrrrrrrrrrrrrr enough.
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It really should have been a comment, but I don't think it should be straight up deleted.
A mod flag or a meta post?
about what?
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03:37
You can post a question on meta if you'd like, but I don't think you'll get a mod to convert that to a comment.
since you are a python guy, comment under the thing
Hmm...good idea. I'll go to post a question on meta because I always see some answers like that.
@Drew Also a good idea.
well read it again before you go to Meta with it, unless you are sure
I read a dozen of those a day as Answers under questions
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I'm fairly certain that you'll be told they are allowed.
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But I could be wrong there.
03:40
Hmm...now there's a downvote on it...
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@josilber you around still?
@Drew "your code works fine" is not an answer, thats a sign that the question should be closed because the OP didnt provide enough information to reproduce the error
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@cimmanon But the answer does signal that something else may be going on.
then it dies of course like as we expect like Darwinian natural selection. The downvotes will tell you
or maybe the OP surfaces after an hour and says oops, typo, who knows
yes, but we dont like guesses posted as answers, either
03:44
afk, will back soon
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Incomplete answers are answers.
right, downvotes and comments
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We may not like them, but that doesn't make them flaggable.
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I think the meat of the answer is here:
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> For example from my output, if I put in test1 as the name with the number 123456789 then entered another test1 with the number 987654321 it will replace the first one with the second one.
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03:49
This question does identify a potential problem and a potential solution, but does not actually offer a solution to the problem. Please edit your answer to provide the solution to the problem you've identified in order to turn this into a good answer. Otherwise, it is little more than an extended comment, which is not what the answer section is for. — Tiny Giant 1 min ago
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I think that about sums it up.
Back, very good comment.
By the way, that answer's OP looks like hasn't enough rep to comment.
Also I voted to close that question as No longer reproduce.
so that means the Answer is right ?
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Well no, the question does not accurately describe the problem.
but the guys comment a.k.a. Answer is right
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03:54
The problem is identified in the answer, but the answer does not provide the solution to the problem.
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So, I'm not going to close vote it, because that is two edits away from being a good Q&A
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And if the question and answer are both edited, that would be a waste of close and reopen votes.
Retracted my close vote
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Crap, typo.
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question !== answer
03:59
Huh? accepted?
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Removed the old comment and added a new one.
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@KevinGuan Yeah... that's kind of odd.
yeah, because the guy was right
@TinyGiant Anything changed?
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@KevinGuan "This question" !== "This answer".
04:00
Oh, understand.
Yes that was my problem I input multiple values with the same name. thanks for the help — coolguy 1 min ago
Also re-read the answer, so he means that the code problem is:
> However if you are entering multiple values lets say a same name, number or email. You are going to change the value.
Because Python dict object doesn't allowed same keys. So I think this guy was right, but he didn't give a solution. Which I think it should be a comment.
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Yeah, that's what I was getting at with my comment.
Yeah, that one.
So let's move on. A meta post about this is useless.
live and learn
I still not finish review LQP, go to review...
@TinyGiant Yup
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04:11
@TinyGiant let me know what you think gist.github.com/yvettec/be425616a5a9620f7700
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@josilber Nevermind, we figured it out.
@TinyGiant Cool
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all else, please feel free to comment on the proposed question for meta, as I really don't have a good flow when making these proposals gist.github.com/yvettec/be425616a5a9620f7700
user4639281
You could still take a look if you want, but it doesn't need attention anymore.
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@TinyGiant should that cv pls be deleted on that meta post I posted here?
04:14
English question: Nevermind or Never mind?
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never mind
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Q: What is the difference between "nevermind" and "never mind"?

user362I never remember the appropriate use of either of nevermind and never mind. What's the difference and how can I remember?

Thanks
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I don't believe it is technically one word, but truly cannot be bothered to get references for it lol
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@MrsEd If you want me to delete it I can. Other users may have a different opinion than me though.
04:18
Oops, runs too fast. Should this be a comment or delete or fine? stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/10447722 (Nevermind/Never mind about my choice)
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@TinyGiant meh potato potato, delete away.. and sorry for the inconvenience
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04:31
@MrsEd Looks good. I think the logic may need some work, but looks good.
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@TinyGiant well, I don't want to post it until it's good, in fact someone else can edit and post it.. I don't need to be the author, I think it would be good if we could put some hurdles in front of fgitw... and I guess we cannot do that with guns hey? lol
is there nothing on Meta now for a freeze ?
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@Drew what do you mean?
04:47
like, hasn't this been talked about, or a response saying that is what downvotes are about, or it would be a platform change that would take a lot of work etc
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@Drew should I post a really controversial question? :p haha
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actually yes, it's like a ghost town there.. no oppositional comments or posting hm.. maybe there's a new sheriff in town or something ghost townly
I think if a question shows up and gets a few downvotes in the first minute, it ought to be frozen for a few minutes. Not allowing any Answers. But getting the Stack to implement that in the face of downvotes (that is our plan to deal with it) and allowing you to vote to close, and all are welcome, I see it like pushing a boulder up a mountain as the likelihood of getting it thru
people would game it. If ya don't like it, well the DV is free, so why not
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@MrsEd Nope, can't use guns.
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@Drew Just visualize the lines of code and weigh it against the benefits of the proposal
04:59
I imagined it further than that. Fill out this form. Oh sorry, the Q suques. Please try again. Oh, no MCVE this time. Try again.

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