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12:07 AM
I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because stack overflow is not a teaching and tutoring site — Drew 3 mins ago
Well... to some extent, it is.
 
Can't think of a kosher normal reason, so there it is
 
Got across that question twice in the queue, skipped it twice...
 
that's why some crap survives :)
the stack needs this as a reason ( ) Op is clueless
 
> I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because.
Just because.
 
1:20 AM
Hey, good morning :)
@Closey next 10 tags
 
Refreshing the tag listing. Please wait...
@KevinGuan The next 10 tags are: 114, 100, 76, 54, 53, 51, 48, 44, 41, 35
 
Wow, isn't in first 10 tags list now.
@Closey next 15 tags
 
@KevinGuan The next 15 tags are: 114, 100, 76, 54, 53, 51, 48, 44, 41, 35, 29, 28, 26, 26, 25
 
Good
@Closey stats
 
7,143 need review
119 reviews today
2,922,752 reviews all-time
 
1:30 AM
@Closey starting
 
@KevinGuan By the power of the Vote! Review!
 
yep
 
@Braiam What about translate it? However I don't speak Spanish...
 
1:48 AM
@KevinGuan there would be little benefit on doing so
 
Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 22 hours to continue reviewing.
 
@KevinGuan Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
 
@Braiam Ah, okay.
@Closey last session stats
 
@KevinGuan Your last completed review session ended 11 seconds ago and lasted 23 minutes and 24 seconds. You reviewed 40 items, averaging a review every 35 seconds.
 
2:21 AM
There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[google-apps-script]"
This is going to be a new record for the slowest reviews ever...
 
@Closey starting
 
@approxiblue Happy reviewing!
 
passed java audit
 
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[flash]"
 
passed c++ audit
passed scala audit
Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 21 hours to continue reviewing.
 
2:29 AM
@Mogsdad Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
 
@Closey last session stats
 
@Mogsdad Your last completed review session ended 11 seconds ago and lasted 4 hours, 20 minutes and 10 seconds. You reviewed 40 items, averaging a review every 6 minutes and 30 seconds.
 
@Closey audit stats
 
@Mogsdad Stats of all tracked audits by tag:
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 | c++11         | 2.33  | 1     |
 | angularjs     | 2.33  | 1     |
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tfw no haskell audit
passed php audit
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[spring-mvc]"
 
2:36 AM
@approxiblue tfw?
 
@Mogsdad yeah
 
@approxiblue Thought it was some Closey magic...
 
I wonder if they've finalized the v2 spec yet
passed batch-file audit
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 21 hours to continue reviewing.
 
@approxiblue Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
 
@Closey last session stats
 
2:45 AM
@approxiblue Your last completed review session ended 11 seconds ago and lasted 21 minutes and 57 seconds. You reviewed 40 items, averaging a review every 32 seconds.
 
@Closey audit stats
 
@approxiblue Stats of all tracked audits by tag:
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the bounty on this question ends in a few hours, too bad one of its close votes aged away :-( stackoverflow.com/questions/33552671/…
 
@Mogsdad Well, I think maybe why isn't this code working.
 
questions with pending close votes should not be allowed to use bounties
 
3:03 AM
@approxiblue THAT would be a good point for Meta!
 
3:28 AM
what is/are the aging off time-intervals of close votes anyway. I looked it up last nite then got lost in a sea of meta
 
Hey @Drew :P
 
yo vim
 
@Drew :P
 
I don't know enough about Laravel to be comfortable voting there
Both of those answers can be flagged/deleted, by the way
 
@Undo Yes they can be both flagged and deleted
@Undo Good Luck for Election :)
 
3:37 AM
@Tushar Thank you!
 
@Undo So what can I do?
 
@KevinGuan What do you mean?
(it's late here and so I'm confused)
 
@Undo I mean, do I need flag them?
 
@KevinGuan I think you cannot delete a post now. It requires 10k+ rep. Check stackoverflow.com/help/privileges/moderator-tools
 
@KevinGuan It'd help push it through review IIRC
And it's helpful flags for you, more signal for the system. Win-win
 
3:40 AM
@Tushar Yeah I know, just flagged.
 
Ideally we would have a few 20kers just nuke them. Or track down a moderator, but they're busy enough.
 
@Undo :P
 
Also, that could be a duplicate. See stackoverflow.com/q/33710980/1849664
 
Hate GFW:
> Stack Overflow requires external JavaScript from another domain, which is blocked or failed to load.
 
@Undo it's nearly 4am - delete 'em between yourselves ends grumbling :p
 
3:42 AM
Hey @Jon :P
 
Howdy @KevinGuan
 
Not an answer right?
 
@KevinGuan Vote for deletion
 
@Tushar Done.
 
@Undo I'm not a Laravel expert either, but that doesn't look like a real dupe to me.
In fact, the questions look kind of complementary: one is asking about how to install Laravel in a subfolder, the other about how to move it out of a subfolder.
 
3:47 AM
Makes sense, thank you
Voted
 
Happy to see only ~100 posts in review queue
 
@Tushar Wow, Low Quality Posts now is 0!
 
@KevinGuan No
 
@Closey stats
 
No. Way.
 
3:59 AM
6,958 need review
498 reviews today
2,923,131 reviews all-time
 
Wonder what happened in that queue
I don't see any moderators going through it
 
@Undo Looks 0 here, no?
 
@KevinGuan It's 0, sure enough
Or appreciably close enough to it
 
@KevinGuan 15
 
However, close votes queue now is lees than 7k. It was always 8.5k last week.
No language tag?
 
4:03 AM
@KevinGuan General question, no tag needed. Maybe can be moved to other SE site(?)
 
@Tushar Well, but maybe no one can see that.
 
Both of those look kind of unclear, but other than that, they seem on topic to me.
 
@Mogsdad It got turned down unfortunately. The reasoning is that without the bounty, we wouldn't be talking about closing the question in the first place.
 
@KevinGuan I think I may understand what this one is asking... might try to give it an edit to clarify, and see if the OP agrees.
 
@IlmariKaronen Thanks :)
Ah...can't load Google Ajax, so can't vote to close them...
 
4:15 AM
think too much hay is being made over that bounty thing
 
hi
 
Hi @rose
 
@rose Welcome. Please see RoomInformation
 
too broad for smoove
 
4:28 AM
@Drew Okay, please vote to close it...I can't vote now...
 
I would but I dont think I will have to. Enough freebie DVs should chase that away
 
4:50 AM
@tripleee Voted (yeah, can vote now).
 
@kevin Congratulations, and thanks (-:
 
@tripleee :D
 
5:13 AM
how is that not related to programming ?
@Am_I_Helpful what is the purpose of those non-programming tags on the stack to begin with, if we close them for being non-programming
it's like people trying to close this one stackoverflow.com/q/33714207
 
@Am_I_Helpful Those both look (marginally) on-topic to me. Both are kind of low quality, and they'd probably be more on-topic at CS.SE anyway (and one appears to have been cross-posted there already), but technically they're on-topic at SO too.
 
5:31 AM
@Drew Well, it's gone.
 
5:42 AM
@Drew I will give you an example of the question which should be on topic here :
Talking about the automata tag.
I believe this to be on-topic ---> stackoverflow.com/questions/33637643/…
This question has been asked on 3 places, not neccessarly by the same author. No answers yet, even on Quora.
It is a good question, is best fitted for CS Stack Exchange, but, anyone having good language understanding would answer this question better here.
@IlmariKaronen I agree with your thinking, but, just feel that those should be shifted to CS SE.
 
@Am_I_Helpful maybe we could create an auto -bot, re-tag a lot of the stuff here :)
 
@Am_I_Helpful Honestly... that doesn't look like a "good question" to me, on-topic or not. It desperately needs copyediting, it might be too broad, and, after a couple of Google searches, I'm not sure that "maximality of a language" is even a thing. (There is, apparently, such a thing as a maximal prefix code, but I don't think that's what the asker means; or if it is, it's really garbled.)
Oh, wait, apparently it is a thing.
...but not this thing. ;)
 
6:10 AM
@Drew Agree with you.
@IlmariKaronen That is really a term, I have heard of it. And, you finally found it.
 
@Am_I_Helpful As written, I don't think SF will want it either. But I guess that's why the close message says "You may be able to get help..."
 
@IlmariKaronen Agree, but, there is a chance of improvement and acceptance, here it is NIL.
@EatÃ…Peach Smacked.
 
@Am_I_Helpful boom
I try to take the time to comment when the OP is really completely out of their depth, precisely because the close message implies that reposting the same content may be acceptable, which in most cases isn't true
maybe the close message should be massaged to better reflect the actual truth
 
6:39 AM
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Q: Reword close message -- better reflect policy on sister sites

tripleeeI would like to propose changes to the close messages for off-topic questions. The close message when a question is put on hold as off-topic contains the following guidance for questions which were not selected for migration. Questions about general computing hardware and software are off...

 
@tripleee Well, @rene said that use link like this: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/310284/…
 
@SmokeDetector Unclear/Broad
 
@Tushar Looks like plain old spam to me.
 
6:58 AM
It's a tricky spam bot by the look of it. At first I though it was just very low quality, but since they posted the same link to other SE sites, I believe it is spam.
 
Flagged as spam
 
@SmokeDetector deleted
@SmokeDetector deleted
 
7:20 AM
@KevinGuan yes, well, one one-box per day is sort of the rule, to be interpreted as keep the number of one-boxes as low as possible and preferable don't one-box at all (cc @tripleee)
 
Hey @rene :P
 
and do not use one-boxes to advertise questions that needs to be closed
hey, I'm kind of busy so I'm also out for the day ...
 
@rene Ah, okay. But what about one-box comment or old message?
 
7:32 AM
Not sure I follow... Youare talking about the formatting of my chat message? @KevinGuan
 
@tripleee Yep, I mean use link instead of the shortcut. That eats too many spaces. :P
 
@KevinGuan we basically don't want the transcript to be filled with images and one-boxes to questions to be closed. An occasional one-box is ok but some of use had the tendency to one-box freaking everything which makes the point of one-boxing a question kind of pointless
@KevinGuan One-boxing earlier chatmessage is OK-ish but keep it to a minimum, that is all.
 
@rene Understand, thanks ;)
 
8:00 AM
how do I control whether something is pasted as just a link vs. a one-box? (Never heard that term before; is it documented someplace?)
 
@tripleee Easy, if a message is only a link, it'll become one-box, if there's some other characters in that message, then it's link.
Also you can use Markdown like this: [the question](http://link/).
Let me test about SmokeDetector command...
!!/alive
Ah, good.
 
thanks, yeah, I (obviously) know about Markdown but the onebox is new to me (well, I have wondered idly about that before, but didn't have a name for it)
 
@trip do you have the script and Tampermonkey or the like yet? I guess not
 
I mostly visit from my phone so AFAICT those things won't work there
though right now I'm on Firefox
 
@tripleee :D I also just hear about it from rene two days ago.
 
8:14 AM
hey everyone
 
Hey :)
@Tunaki Just created 3 screenshots, I'll save them :P
 
I'm Epic :D
 
congrats Tunaki
 
@Tunaki Yeah, congrats :)
Hmm...we can use [tag:socvr] to display a tag, is there something like [badge:epic]? :P
Well...
Alex this is the 3rd time you have posted this question. What happened to the second time? I think you got a pretty good answer there which told you that the variable purple does not have any value. — NSNoob 21 mins ago
A mod flag?
 
8:41 AM
@KevinGuan not from me no way ... if you mean that the comment was offensive. What do you mean. That is probably not what you mean
 
@Drew No, I mean someone asked the same question 3 times as this comment said.
 
close as dupe of the first one
 
is it being handled ok
 
@Tunaki Good idea, voted.
 
i get that all the time when i investigate stuff. It tends to sort itself out without mod intervention (especially if you say should we get a mod !)
but yeah if they are pesky little devils, that is a mod's job
 
8:45 AM
@Drew :D
 
@KevinGuan turn a person's teeth purple. That is a first I must say
 
@Drew :P, why does he want to do that?
 
he likes that guy in purple i think. A fetish.
 
@Drew Then, a program called mspaint may help him.
 
I must be in a dream. It is 4am and I am imagining that guy with purple teeth
 
8:51 AM
@Drew I performed an inception on you
 
that is why I will never be epic. Cuz I focus on, why not lime teeth, wouldn't that go better with his shirt
 
@Drew Wow, just tried to imagine that, funny.
 
Some SO users are just terrible!
 
@Am_I_Helpful What's the matter?
 
Check this answer and the commentator's comments ---> stackoverflow.com/questions/33730870/…
I am the author of that answer BTW.
 
8:56 AM
@Am_I_Helpful Wow, a 106k user.
 
@Am_I_Helpful I'm not sure you're in the right here: check this out. Random access in a list doesn't mean you are accessing random elements but that you have the ability to do so
 
That is what I've mentioned in the answer. It is not the property of data-structure. Check my answer again, that edited NOTE might clarify some issue. @Tunaki That other user Sergio/whatever is just wasting my time, without any reason. I don't see from where did he get the context in my answer that I was talking about Random-Access data structure!!!
 
Okay, don't know anything about it.
 
9:11 AM
Really, sometimes it's just terrible to argue, unless there is an exact context available. It seems to me that OP hasn't provided enough context whether he is talking about access mechanisms OR about data-structure or their properties.
 
Plop!
 
Hey @Kyll :)
 
taps Am_ on the shoulder, reminds him they are not equipped to understand.
 
@Drew Didn't get ye/?
 
@Am_I_Helpful And that is why you don't answer two-liners =p
 
9:15 AM
@Kyll Hello Kyll, seriously, I need to limit answering those 2-liners...
 
2 liners deserve small Answers like Open your mouth. Here is your rootbeer lollipop.
 
Morning all
 
Plop @DavidG
 
Hey @DavidG :P
 
@Am_I_Helpful "he seems to misunderstand the answer" No, don't point fingers at people in your answers
 
9:19 AM
@Kyll I think OP is asking about shopping list.
 
@Kyll Do I need to edit his name out from the answer then?
 
I was just about to say the same as Kyll, the comments are getting quite accusatory and borderline insulting.
 
@Am_I_Helpful Yes
 
this question is an exact duplicate as linked, albeit by a different user, but I'm not able to close vote it, because the duplicate does not have any answers.
 
9:20 AM
@Kyll Done that/edited.
 
When arguing with anyone for anything (and that is a life lesson), stick to facts and ideas. As soon as you point fingers at someone the debate is dead
 
@user2314737 Definitely not here, perhaps on SoftwareRecs, but I'd say he needs to explain a bit more (then again, I know naught about Java)
 
@user2314737 Yes, if correctly edited. Remember to always point to the help centre of other SE sites when you recommend them
 
@Kyll ok
@Adriaan it's a "asking us to recommend or find a book, tool, software library, tutorial or other off-site resource" question
 
@Adriaan Looks like homework dump
 
9:23 AM
@Kyll Yes, and his classmate did it an hour earlier
 
@Kyll lol @ "homework dump"
 
But in general, since you can't duplicate questions without answers, how to deal with those? I reckon they are usually off-topic/too broad anyway, otherwise they would've had an answer
 
I tend to avoid recommending a question would be better on another site unless it looks like an excellent fit elsewhere.
 
@DavidG Same, but when OP seems reasonable enough not to copy/paste the question it seems okay to point them elsewhere
 
people dupe questions without answers all the time. The question is, who bashes em over the head about it
 
9:26 AM
@DavidG so what would you have done about that question? Graph visualization is a very broad topic
 
@Adriaan So, if they are exact homework dumps they might be too broad but I don't have the knowledge to flag them as so. Best thing one can do is observe them and flag/vtc as dupe as soon as there is an answer
 
@Kyll I used the "recommendation" close, since they want a solution using specific functions, which constitute a library imo
no idea who upvoted that linked one though, since it's a zero effort homework dump
 
@user2314737 Probably like I just did, vote to close and move on. Perhaps a comment explaining why it's off topic but Kyll beat me to it :)
 
move on. Best two words ever
 
yes @Drew doing that all the time
 
9:30 AM
By the way @Am_I_Helpful, a "sequential list" usually refers to a list that can only be accessed sequentially. For example a linked list where you only know what the next item is so to traverse to a particular element you must go from item to item.
 
@DavidG OP didn't ask about sequential list; he asked about sequential access.
 
@Am_I_Helpful The difference being what?
 
yeah, save diff
 
@DavidG Difference being, array elements can be accessed sequentally, as well as randomly.
You can consider even an ArrayList of java
 
Question is unclear anyway
 
9:33 AM
I'm not sure I agree with your distinction. But it's offtopic in here anyway.
 
@Kyll But, nobody deserves a -2 on an unclear answer. Everyone has the right to write answer for clarifying OP's doubt.
 
array elements are by design random access. If you choose to access them 1,2,3 you are still accessing them randomly. I think you fail to see the concept
 
That commentator might have expressed his ideas in other answer!
 
@Am_I_Helpful If the question is unclear, you might have cleared OP's doubts or answered a completely different thing.
 
Honestly, I would downvote that answer too as it's not clear in itself, nor does it answer (my version of) what I think the question is.
 
9:35 AM
@Drew What if I say you to access through pointers, would even then they be accessed randomly?
 
well ain't that always the truth. But then someone crapped in his cornflakes and then there you were.
The point is, Am_, what are your forced to do. Seq or Rnd. Not what you choose to do
 
@Drew But the question was that, difference between ....
 
@Am_I_Helpful Take the wiki article, it clearly says a sequential list is something like a linked list.
 
yes, you are forced to traverse seq
 
> In data structures, a data structure is said to have sequential access if one can only visit the values it contains in one particular order. The canonical example is the linked list.
 
9:37 AM
@DavidG MAN, OP didn't talk about sequential list, it was seq. access.
Please revisit the question.
 
Yes, read the comment I just posted.
 
@Am_I_Helpful @DavidG @Drew I think this discussion on the question/answer will be more helpful to others, instead of here.
 
Yeah, you're getting spammy guys
 
I think the discussion should probably end as it looks like we won't agree.
 
@DavidG I agree with you dear, but, that is not being asked in the question.
What is being asked is, is nobody ready to listen.
Let's say, if I remove list from the question, my answer would, probably stand correct.
If I remove access term from question, Mr. Sergio would be correct.
 
9:40 AM
One final comment, a bit more generic rather than on this question. Try not to get too attached to your answers. People will disagree with you all the time, some will downvote. Don't take it personally. Like I said above, move on :)
 
@SmokeDetector deleted
 
@DavidG I agree, moved on ,left the answer as it is.
 
@Tunaki Plop! I wonder, do you please video games?
 
I only Zelda, best. series. ever
 
What's the normal procedure on questions like this? Too broad? Unclear? MCVE? stackoverflow.com/questions/33732145/…
 
9:44 AM
@DavidG Can be great questions, need more data
I think DB fixtures and benchmarks/measurements would make the question better, but I don't know much about SQL
 
Not sure, I think there needs to be a very specific question rather than "which is betterer"?
 
If it's about comparing the performance of two queries then it's okay
But I still think it needs more data
 
show plan or explain can generate the same plan, even if the human version looks quite different. Note, it wasn't shown by OP
@DavidG the proper way to do it, is, as you suggest in the Q, is to have the guy show the schema, and run both of his queries thru show plan or explain. Barring that, bunch of peeps chasing their tails
 
10:08 AM
@SmokeDetector deleted
 
Nope, won't delete it it seems
 
2 min is the max I think
 
@DavidG Like - - = +
 
I'm back :). Do you guys know what does !!/notify <chatroom_ID_number> <site_domain> SmokeDetect command do?
 
> !!/notify <chatroom_ID_number> <site_domain> - Tells SmokeDetector to ping you, in the given chatroom, when a post is reported on the given site.
Example: !!/notify 89 parenting.stackexchange.com-
Note: Please use the squelch suffix (-) and avoid spamming the chat room with too many requests. See this chat message and the surrounding context.
From the docs
 
10:20 AM
@DavidG Yeah I know, so what will happen if I say !!/notify a_room_id stackoverflow.com?
 
You will get a message in that room ID whenever Smokey reports a post for SO
 
@DavidG Wow, I'd test it :P
Hmm...just created a new room...
!!/notify 95228 www.stackoverflow.com
 
@KevinGuan The given SE site does not exist.
 
!!/notify 95228 stackoverflow.com
 
@KevinGuan You'll now get pings from me if I report a post of stackoverflow.com, in room 95228 on chat.stackoverflow.com
 
10:25 AM
Wow :P
@Drew Vim, vim vim.
 
10:43 AM
Hey! Why I didn't get ping in room 95228?
 
wat?
 
19 mins ago, by SmokeDetector
@KevinGuan You'll now get pings from me if I report a post of stackoverflow.com, in room 95228 on chat.stackoverflow.com
@Kyll
 
How about this answer? This guy was linking to his Github projects last week (and pretty sure someone spoke to him about it but I may be mistaken). The answer is pretty much link only to his Github again. stackoverflow.com/a/33731030/1663001
 
@DavidG I'd flag it as not an answer and tells him that his answer is link only and should be a comment.
@DavidG Ah, see your comment...
 
@SmokeDetector deleted
 
10:56 AM
Hi everyone, we need one more close vote for this question : stackoverflow.com/questions/33695082/… (thx in advance)
 
I've just know that I can use delete command delete any messages said by SmokeDetect.
And the question back, Why I didn't get ping in room 95228?
!!/notify 95228 stackoverflow.com
 
@KevinGuan That notification configuration is already registered.
 
No idea, talk to Undo when he's here.
 
@DavidG Good idea :P
!!/unnotify 95228 stackoverflow.com
 
@KevinGuan I will no longer ping you if I report a post of stackoverflow.com, in room 95228 on chat.stackoverflow.com
 
11:00 AM
!!/notify 95228 stackoverflow.com
 
@KevinGuan You'll now get pings from me if I report a post of stackoverflow.com, in room 95228 on chat.stackoverflow.com
 
@SmokeDetector I hope this isn't a lie :P
 
!!/coffee
Ha thanks
 
@Tunaki :D
 
My coffee!!!
 
11:06 AM
!!/tea
 
@KevinGuan brews a cup of mint tea for @KevinGuan
 
I didn't finish it!!
@KevinGuan I don't know what you're talking about
:)
 
@Tunaki :P
@Tunaki Did I say something? :)
 
11:18 AM
@bob Too broad?
 
@bob too broad, opinion based, no MCVE and potentially asking for offsite resource!
 
@DavidG If it's I'll vote to close it as too broad...because the reason is too broad.
> There are either too many possible reasons, or good reasons would be too long for this format.
 

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