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12:09 AM
not around as such - it's 1am - wassup?
 
 
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1:32 AM
Haha. Saw my rep went +9 while I was afk, figured it was the Roomba... but, no - an upvote on an answer! (Life on a low-traffic tag is so slow...)
 
 
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2:33 AM
!!/fp
hmm, no?
 
2:45 AM
when I arrive, everybody else drops from the room
feels good to be popular
 
2:59 AM
@tripleee Just not quite as popular. As. Me.
 
3:11 AM
I'll grant you that
 
@tripleee Could you hear me channeling Kristin Chenoweth there?
!!/help
 
@Mogsdad I'm SmokeDetector, a bot that detects spam and low-quality posts on the network and posts alerts to chat. A command list is available here.
 
3:56 AM
@Mogsdad I just checked; one more day!
 
@durron597 Wow - it's all about show tunes tonight! I loved Les Miserables!
I'm just about done , I might run out of cv before questions though.
 
4:10 AM
Would you like some cheese with your whine?
@StephanBranczyk Read the edit comment first. Then if you would like to see the question closed & deleted instead, follow the instructions in the meta post. In my judgement, there appeared to be something of value here. While removing tags, I used an auto-editor to perform other cleanup, as tag-only edits are also frowned on. I'll leave this message for a couple of minutes for you, then delete it. — Mogsdad 41 secs ago
 
4:39 AM
Hi all, the cv review queue is loaded up and ready to go. There are also quite a few questions needed downvotes for the Roomba and delete votes - check the status post.
Alright - out of close votes, delete votes, up/down votes... Bed time. Later, folks!
 
 
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7:35 AM
Hey @rene, any input from you regarding meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/306006/…?
 
I'm not really here yet... give me sometime to get my breakfast and my first coffee ;)
 
sure thing, good morning! (-:
 
tnx
 
8:05 AM
@tripleee that answer explains a feature that sort of exists for the tag
 
yes, exactly ... I was hoping for something more (especially when it comes to cleaning up posts that are in clear violation) but getting a banner would be a good start
I asked here before a couple of times and that's the suggestion ppl here came up with, too
if nothing else, a monthly (or whatever) campaign here would be a good start
browse through recent posts and CV a lot of them
regulars will already be doing that but especially in tags like it's wasted effort unless you can get more people to do seconds
I'm actually more interested in how to approach the constant, rather than recurring, need to police those particular tags
 
I can see two ways: 1. add tag guidance warnings to the do not use tags; 2. find enough crowd to actually used their close votes/flags. With the last point the room can help.
 
yeah so what would be a good process?
I don't know who exactly sets the agenda here and how, but getting one of these tags into the "tags of the week" every week would probably be a really good start
somebody who is capable with SEDE could perhaps come up with a real, actual number for which tags get the most expired close votes
 
@durron597 wanted to have more frequent events, we can schedule more events between the weekly cv events to have a specific cv event cv do not use tags
 
("do not use" is not really it -- "attracts a lot of support requests" is more like it. is fine if you are programming Postfix, but most questions there are from people who admin Postfix)
 
8:14 AM
@tripleee any RO can, we need to pick a timeslot when we have enough crowd
@tripleee the exact naming can be up for discussion but needs to be catchy within 20 characters or so ;)
 
would another meta post for coordination be a good next step, or what would you propose?
 
@tripleee I like that idea, let me see if I have the data for that in SEDE
@tripleee Nah, let me write another answer on your question
 
how about "support-hungry tags" for the quick and easy label?
 
I like that
@tripleee the reason it needs to be short can be seen here in the line starting with Upcoming events, it always shows 3 events and doesn't resize for longer event titles
 
yeah, I see
 
8:28 AM
@SmokeDetector fp- nike
 
8:43 AM
@tripleee with concrete numbers the outcome is not useful: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/364844 I'll need some percentage between valid and invalidated counts... I'll work on that later
 
9:01 AM
absolute numbers no; obviously, the ratio is the important and interesting metric
not handy enough with SQL to figure out how to get that, though )-:
 
9:38 AM
@SmokeDetector fp- nike
 
 
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12:02 PM
Morning
@SmokeDetector why?
 
@NathanOliver Body - Position 596-610: hconverter.com
 
@SmokeDetector ignore- edited
 
@durron597 done
 
@NathanOliver I saw the "possible duplicate of" on my phone right as I was going to sleep last night and thought there was no way it would be closed in the morning. stupid meta
 
12:11 PM
@durron597 I think that one is a borderline attempt at an answer. I wouldn't have declined it but I could see a mod doing that.
Yeah I don't understand the dupe.
 
@NathanOliver I understand why one person would vote there, but 5?
 
12:27 PM
@durron597 meta effect :P
 
@NathanOliver ha!
 
morning!
@Closey status
 
SOCVR ChatBot version 1.0.0.0, running for 16 hours and 32 minutes.
 
@gunr2171 morning!
 
12:33 PM
removed the email, still voted VLQ
so is the favicon still broken on chat, or do I have an old version?
 
@gunr2171 yep, still broken.
bbiab
 
:(
 
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 3 hours ago, by rene
@AMUnihedron Maybe we should ping @balpha about this blocking bug....
 
don't ping him, tweet at him!
works for durron
 
lol
 
12:55 PM
I need a good auto-comment for "how do I do that" comments.
oh yeah, we were going to make a repo for those..
 
I loved using this on daniweb when people asked "how to write this program"
 
nice
I'm making that repo now
please edit this with anything you would like to add (directly to master is fine)
 
1:25 PM
@SmokeDetector well, that's a relevant link, at least
 
1:44 PM
Can someone look at the 2 answers by the same author here? stackoverflow.com/questions/32607513/outer-join-of-datatables
I know one is NAA, is the other as well?
 
@gunr2171 The select answer is a code-only answer. But point will be moot with 3 more close votes...
BTW - good morning, all!
 
@gunr2171 I flagged the obvious NAA, I can't decide whether to flag the other as VLQ - I can't salvage it by editing because I can't figure out what he's trying to say.
 
morning
 
I also downvoted both.
 
@durron597 that was my dilemma
also that NAA had an upvote before I got to it
somehow...
 
1:47 PM
I'm trying to flag less now. I'm still running out of flags even with a higher standard of flagging so I'll let others hit this one.
 
@gunr2171 both are unintelligible
unless "I need Correct answer" actually does something in this context :p
 
it's the "Using This Syntex Please" on the second answer that is really throwing me off
 
Am I unclear here?
 
1:51 PM
@gunr2171 maybe they meant semtex
 
@durron597 I think you'd have to explain why the additional text isn't an answer on its own, in the case of link rot. I can see a NAA being rejected.
 
@rene "So that I can have some context could you give me a link to your deleted post? Even though it's deleted, because I have more than 10k rep I can view deleted posts. That way I can give you better advice."
if you wanted to expand it
 
@Mogsdad I did custom flag ;)
 
@rene A lower rep / inexperienced user may not understand what a 10K-er is.
@durron597 Uh-huh. And I'm concurring.
 
1:58 PM
 
my brain just exploded
 
@durron597 Agreed.
 
So is "Yo Dawg" the start of a Stack Overflow?
 
2:04 PM
@Mogsdad Are firewall rules and apache configuration even on topic?
 
@durron597 i could see apache configuration being on topic, but firewall rules shouldnt be
 
@cimmanon I added a comment with link to this meta post. The question is arguably on-topic.
 
Even if you don't VTC that as ServerFault, unclear is still a good close reason. I gave him this.
 
@durron597 Now Meh-light.
@durron597 I figured there would be some form of duplicate, he wasn't looking for anything difficult. Some folks just can't think in an abstract enough way to phrase a more general question.
Is "Any suggestions?" ever a useful phrase in a question? IMO it's either redundant because they've asked another question, or it's an indicator that the question is unclear or too broad. I'm thinking of adding it to my auto-edit mods. I wonder what the rest of you think. . . Any suggestions? 8^)
 
2:13 PM
@Mogsdad kick it to the curb
 
@Mogsdad cough cough
 
@cimmanon Might be tricky to come up with a regex that is focused enough, but WOW that's a popular fluff phrase!
 
oh wait, "auto-edits", not auto-comments
 
@gunr2171 That's so funny, I have a very long answer section and a tiny question section
I guess I spend most of my day looking at answers, and you at questions ;)
 
2:21 PM
true, I focus on questions
 
oh hi
 
someone managed to review 22 edits today: stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/stats
 
remember that you can review "extra" if they are your own posts
 
2:23 PM
@durron597 Yep. Now... maybe a coffee, before you operate any heavy machinery?
 
the OP is always allowed to review suggested edits against their own posts, regardless of the number of suggested edits they have reviewed that day
 
@gunr2171 thanks
 
no problem
@durron597 can you edit directly on master?
 
@gunr2171 I'm sure I can, but I'm not going to accept my own pull request to your stuff
 
think of this repo as a "free for all", I'm ok with anyone who can write to master writting to master
 
2:28 PM
@gunr2171 okay
 
Hey! Where should I go if I have a query about which flag I should use to flag a question that I think requires a flag?
 
got a link to the post?
 
@Relequestual Here is fine, Meta is fine too
 
(and yes, here is fine)
 
2:30 PM
clearly a question about "how do I avoid those wait for download website things" and not really about programming
 
too broad / POB
 
@gunr2171 really?
What's too broad about it? And, certainly, what's POB about it?
 
"how does a website tracks that how much time I spend on that particular webpage"
"how is done" -> too broad
 
The answer is one method call
 
I think the question is off topic, because they are really asking if they can bypass wait screens, not actually interested in how to achive the same thing
 
2:32 PM
now granted, you don't look at answers in the CV queue
@SmokeDetector seems fine
 
@gunr2171 Seems like really well written spam.
Which we've been letting go by these days
 
@durron597 the POB was a secondary, as a "the method would depend on the site and what they chose" so that can be ignored. I still think it's too broad, but I'll just settle on a downvote.
 
@gunr2171 Too broad for "how do I do x" is not too broad if the answer is one line without a library.
> How do I get the current time in milliseconds since the Epoch in C#?
 
but surely that can't be the only way to do it
 
Is that too broad?
 
2:36 PM
hum, I see your point
@SmokeDetector ok, now that is spam
 
@SmokeDetector dis guy iz startin to get on my nerves
 
brb
 
> Possible Spam: I'm concerned about these posts from this user, it's very similar to his other answer, and the website has been blacklisted by Smoke Detector; it seems to simply be an excuse to add the link to his tool. I was willing to let one post go without flagging, but once he posted the almost-duplicate it became clear what he was doing.
@Relequestual I've changed my mind, I've voted to close it as unclear because he hasn't made his real problem clear. cc @gunr2171
I don't know if he's trying to write his own page to do this, or add a user script to a page, or what
 
Stackoverflow is a Q&A site. Answers are not supposed to be question. If you have a question you can Ask A Question. You can link back to this question to show you have tried this but it is still not working. I would also suggest you take our tour and see How do I ask a good question?NathanOliver 22 secs ago
 
@durron597 It's an answer. A very, very poor one.
 
It is the start of an answer so i guess it qualifies as an answer
 
@durron597 Can't tell if they're saying "the solution needs this" or "I need this".
 
@SmokeDetector fp- crap
 
2:57 PM
error happened!
0: The remote server returned an error: (404) Not Found.
 
@approxiblue Exactly.
 
@durron597 I would say it is an answer.
 
@durron597 Comment for clarification and err on the side of caution? If there were an accepted answer I wouldn't mind deleting it.
 
Please include your code in the answer itself. See: How to Answer and When is an answer not an answer?durron597 1 min ago
I went with downvote / comment.
 
@SmokeDetector ignore- edited
 
3:06 PM
Are you asking if you need this or are you telling the question asker that they need this? — durron597 1 min ago
Nice, toggle button man edited the code into the answer.
 
yeah. I love when suggesting they make there answer better works.
 
This question was vandalised by the OP a while ago. Should it be unrolled or should the posts be downvoted for Roombation?
 
@NisseEngström downvote for roombation
I think that generally, your question is case-by-case, but here I would just downvote for roomba.
 
@durron597 It's already in the negative, would more downvotes speed up the process?
 
3:16 PM
@durron597 No - since it starts by specifically reference "your answer", and there are multiples of them. "It depends on the compiler" lacks context to be a complete answer on its own.
 
WUT?
@rene That queue is for questions edited by owner. — Francesco Menzani 1 min ago
 
@rene I would freak if I came on the site and saw the reopen queue at 44k. On the other hand it would make getting the gold badge easier :)
And deleted
 
@SmokeDetector These spammers are getting cleverer and cleverer
 
@durron597 I think that guy is the webmaster as his other question are about creating that site
 
@cimmanon Updated my fork of Stack-Exchange-Editor-Toolkit if anyone wants to give it a test ride.
 
3:35 PM
@SmokeDetector i dont even see whats wrong on the site
 
Problem: Azure administrative questions are off-topic for SO, right?
 
Point is: stackoverflow.com/questions/32571971/… User claims that official support portal points people to SO?
 
I'm considering adding that to the question
 
@gunr2171 yeah, not seeing that
 
3:37 PM
@MarcusMüller If you go toazure's website and click suppost -> support options they have
 
@MarcusMüller I would classify that the same as any other linux server question, so off-topic
 
> Online forums
Get answers from Azure experts through the Azure forums:
 
@cimmanon I'm using Chrome
 
thanks
@NathanOliver: I'll refer to that;
@gunr2171: exactly my feeling, an administrative server question
 
3:41 PM
@gunr2171 I don't know why you bothered to add that screenshot to the question. its still a terrible question because it doesnt contain the code to reproduce the problem. we dont debug via screenshots or telepathy or anything other than the code
 
@cimmanon meh. At least force the OP to act. and the guy deleted the post, so we all win?
 
we also have an unwritten "dont polish turds" policy
 
yeah, oh well :(
@Kyll boom
 
@gunr2171 Yay
 
@Kyll This still needs a bunch of CVs.
 
3:47 PM
@durron597 I'm working on my rep okay?!
=p
 
Ugh. I'm three votes away from by bronze badge but swing is the worst tag, because you can never figure out the problem without running the code and if the person doesn't post a decent mcve it's a trainwreck
 
@TinyGiant I realised this too after googling how to set up FDE on Ubuntu... not sure if I'm gonna set it up at all yet, but at least Windows & OS X were easy...
 
Plus anyone else who uses SEDE often
 
Why is sourceforge is the baddies list of SD?
 
maybe people were posting their code there instead of in the question?
 
4:01 PM
@Kyll Probably because they recently released installers for various projects hosted on SF, and bundled those with crapware.
 
@Siguza They did? Crappy move
I do remember reading something about it, maybe a news article
 
@Kyll If I remember right, GIMP was the biggest one affected... or VLC?
 
@Siguza FileZilla is the big one I know of that does that
 
Long story short: SF turned evil.
 
4:06 PM
-1 was expecting sarcasm
oh wait, wrong one
 
> invite you to be the best answerer
 
I scrolled up too quickly and thought you meant the +7 one
 
> Also, if you have something to say to someone, that's what comments are for. Earn some upvotes to get the privilege to write some!
or, you know... not.
 
@durron597 I suggested to leave a bounty
 
4:16 PM
Can this be considered a dupe of this?
 
@durron597 it is not spam, is it?
 
@rene I asked at some point whether I should report non-english answers to smokey and was told yes, but I can't find it now
 
@durron597 OK, I'm just checking because @NormalHuman complained a bit about false positives and wanted to exclude manual reports from this room to propagate across other rooms. I think that defeats some of the usefulness of smokey here so I'm a bit careful now.
 
@rene a user (see rev history, room owner) was sending a bunch of false positives from here
 
to late I saw it. :p
 
4:29 PM
@NathanOliver I don't care if you saw it ;)
 
What does Smokey do when you ask him dumb questions?
@SmokeDetector why?
 
I think it ignores unless it's a command
closey always responds though
@Closey I think you are awesome!
 
@gunr2171 Sorry, I don't understand that. Use commands for a list of commands.
 
@rene when did he complain?
 
@durron597 I know, I'm not necessarily filling the transcript to address you ;)
@durron597 last night
 
4:31 PM
@ProgramFOX Are you here?
 
yeah
 
later guys
 
cya
 
user4639281
5:15 PM
Hello
 
user4639281
@Siguza But that answer... (dupe target)
 
user4639281
The accepted answer to that question is even worse.
 
5:38 PM
evening
 
@JonClements 'allo 'allo 'allo
 
@JonClements hello!
 
Suddenly reminded of:
‍ '​Allo ‍ '​Allo! was a BBC television British sitcom broadcast on BBC1 from 1982 to 1992 (there was no series in 1990), comprising eighty-five episodes. Repeats have been aired as part of the Afternoon Classics on BBC2 since 27 March 2015. The story is set in a small-town café in German-occupied France during the Second World War. It is a parody of another BBC programme, the wartime drama Secret Army. ‍ '​Allo, ‍ '​Allo! was created by David Croft, who also wrote the theme music, and Jeremy Lloyd. Lloyd and Croft wrote the first six series. The remaining series were written by Lloyd and Paul...
 
@JonClements Featuring René from the café....
 
user4639281
@JonClements hello :)
 
5:45 PM
> Please consider using comments for the follow up questions. – halfzebra 1 hour ago
-.-
 
user4639281
@josilber /me chokes
 
user4639281
Context?
 
Please consider using comments for the follow up questions. — halfzebra 1 hour ago
 
@gunr2171 @durron597 @tripleee please review this gist as possible answer to this
 
@rene habbit? Is that like a rabbit?
 
@durron597 I think so
 
user4639281
For reference.
 
@TinyGiant thanks
 
user4639281
@rene np
 
user4639281
I just found out that GTK has JavaScript language bindings.
 
user4639281
5:50 PM
Which should make it relatively simple to port my consignment app over to GTK.
 
@rene commented
 
@rene commented as well
 
@rene Yup... Don't make 'em like that any more ;)
 
user4639281
6:09 PM
@durron597 Both questions seem POB
 
go for it, they're your CVs
What is the javascript word for synchronizing that one bit of code happens after another bit of code that needs to load asynchronously?
in Java i would probably say
 
promise?
 
I'm retagging a javascript question that basically says "how to I make sure this event happens after this async call"
 
promise is jquery, maybe an ES6 thingy
 
it's tagged , but it's not a typical scenario
 
user4639281
@durron597 promise
 
@josilber No.
1) He's added a new answer to the question
2) His edits happened after the delete votes went in, see revision history.
 
@durron597 Ah missed the new answer
thx
 
3) The question is closed anyway, I don't see the point
 
6:19 PM
Fair enough. btw, is it legit to re-add an answer that is identical to a deleted one (deleted by community)?
 
user4639281
@durron597 Trying to look for a dupe, none of those answers explain promises.
 
@josilber I am sure that a moderator would not look kindly on that, if the answer were identical
Regardless, that user is just spamming that grab bag link around, did you see the other recent answers?
 
@durron597 Which it is in this case
 
@josilber Well, it was edited after it was deleted.
The question is not going to get votes and not going to be reopened, this will all be moot in 8 days
 
posted here @durron597 @gunr2171 @tripleee
 
6:28 PM
@rene Did you submit the wiki excerpt revision?
 
@durron597 nope, looking for more feedback on that
I might ask on writers.se
 
What do you guys think of this answer?
 
@Tunaki If I had flags left I'd flag as abusive
@Tunaki Have you checked the posts, when will the tag kill itself off?
 
all the questions are closed, no accepted answer, score <= 0
only 7 left
 
@Tunaki I know that, have you checked the 7 to see what the roomba death date is? For example is tonight
 
6:33 PM
I can nearly taste the off-topicness on this one, but I can't quite put my finger on it. Is it off-topic?
 
@durron597 I did not
 
@ArtjomB. no, but it is both pob and too broad
 
@ArtjomB. super user?
 
@Tunaki Could be, I see not necessarily a reason to drag developers into that question.
 
6:47 PM
@rene Quick ack, thanks, get back to you tomorrow bedtime
 
good night!
 

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