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8:00 PM
@Deduplicator I don't think that all questions with a should be closed as many times OP doesn't even know what the tag means, but you guys can keep doing whatever you are doing
 
But when an organized effort is taken to delete them, we can't search for them by tag if you remove the tag we're searching by
 
Im kind of lost with all the rules you have here
 
@JonClements That's what I did last time. I'll ignore the user once more, but file this away ;)
 
@DavidArenburg Not all questions with will be closed.
@Mogsdad the question itself is too broad
 
@DavidArenburg When we are burning a tag, there are two tasks: 1. Salvaging every question we can. 2. Killing all the rest.
And untagging a question which cannot be salvaged serves neither goal.
 
8:02 PM
at the end he sums up with "my question falls under a more general category: When to use a particular framework and what type of problems is it particularly suited for?"
 
@Deduplicator Tag Burning: It's like triage but it works™
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@TylerH Yep. But 212269 views. Minefield.
 
@Mogsdad irrelevant
 
(edit so it has context in star board)
 
But if it gathers delete votes create a meta request to get it historically locked
It pisses me off that you can't get stuff locked that needs a historical lock unless it's "in danger of being deleted"
There are plenty of questions that are clear cases of "this has been an invaluable resource to the community but it's hella off-topic now"
but getting it closed is harder than rolling Snorlax over
especially now that CVs age after two weeks
 
8:05 PM
@TylerH I thought that would make it easier?
 
@TylerH Maybe @JonClements can tell us some history. Looks like it's been through close votes before, and recognized as broad / off topic. We'll try again.
 
@KevinBrown no, it makes the queue move faster
on a question by question basis, it makes it harder to close, at least outside the queue, but probably inside as well
 
Well, there are still 7 unclosed questions under . Review link for those who didn't try it before.
 
@TylerH It's been reopened multiple times by moderators. I don't think it will stay closed for long, no matter how broad of a question it is
 
I'll start now, hit fdisk first
@Closey starting
oh yeah, my server is being weird...
 
8:08 PM
whistles
 
@KevinBrown In that case I will ask on Meta
 
@KevinBrown Which question are you talking about? I dropped the context somewhere...
 
the server is on it's last legs, and it's complaining more lately because I just ordered new parts
 
1638
Q: How to decide when to use Node.js?

LegendI am new to this kind of stuff, but lately I've been hearing a lot about how good Node.js is. Considering how much I love working with jQuery and JavaScript in general, I can't help but wonder how to decide when to use Node.js. The web application I have in mind is something like Bitly - takes so...

 
Hey everyone! (SO Close Vote Chatbot started, linux!)
 
8:09 PM
@Closey starting
 
@gunr2171 May the Vote be with you!
 
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[fdisk]"
 
@Closey starting
 
@NathanOliver May the Vote be with you!
 
I counted 13 questions in the queue, there should be 10 or 11 now
 
8:11 PM
There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "off-topic, unclear what you're asking, too broad, primarily opinion-based; [fdisk]"
I had 7 fdisk reviews
 
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[fdisk]"
5 items
on to source again, then the usual
 
@TylerH The mods who have reopened it are also SE employees. (Shog, then Anna.) I wish we could see the reasons for reopening - but it appears simply a matter of a high traffic question. (If it went through reopen VOTES, would a mod's name be on it?)
 
no
 
@Mogsdad Well, I'm to/fro from the keyboard and I have no idea what you're talking about...
 
There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "off-topic, unclear what you're asking, too broad, primarily opinion-based; [source]"
 
8:13 PM
there's no reason listed when a question is reopened
 
@Closey next 3 tags
 
Refreshing the tag listing. Please wait...
 
there aren't even reasons to choose from when casting a reopen vote
 
@NathanOliver The next 3 tags are: 129, 122, 104
 
@JonClements Why this question was re-opened: stackoverflow.com/questions/5062614/…
 
8:15 PM
inb4 "because Anna hit the reopen button"
 
Let's get two more CVs on it and see if an employee re-opens it again
 
That was the question. And the only thing which looks plausible is viewcount
 
@Deduplicator 0 now
 
Nice work.
 
got this as an audit (passed it) best gem I've seen all day
passed hard-drive audit
 
8:18 PM
@TylerH One more...
 
aalear can reopen it again, sure
Though probably there should be a meta discussion about it.
 
@Deduplicator ... according to the query you linked. There is one.
 
I am creating one atm
@durron597
 
@Closey starting
 
@JoshuaDwire May the Vote be with you!
 
8:19 PM
@Mogsdad That's eventual consistency at it's best
 
@Deduplicator inb4 "someone cried on their blog about it"
 
@Closey starting
 
@durron597 By the power of the Vote! Review!
 
Umm... can't see anything specific going on with that Q
 
@Closey end session
 
8:20 PM
@durron597 I have forcefully ended your last session. To see more details use the command last session stats. In addition, the number of review items is most likely not set, use the command last session edit count <new count> to fix that.
 
Hmm, no source in the queue today.
Plus I only had 5 CVs left anyway ;)
 
@durron597 bottleneck = !ourProblem
 
@durron597 sorry.
Sent query with all questions needing votes earlier... all are closed.
 
Down to 5 CVs and two flags left. Which will run out first? Taking bets now.
 
BUT any new reviewer will probably find some. (We do have previous votes aging off.)
 
8:23 PM
@Mogsdad 1 Which only leaves deleting those with accepted answers (mostly cannot be done now) stackoverflow.com/… and the tag will be gone.
 
So @ all, if this gets reopened, I will post the meta question draft I have saved
 
@durron597 I'll take 30 on Seabiscuit
 
feel free to give that a star so that the conversation is referenceable in an easy way
 
@Deduplicator Time to update the tag wiki, "DO NOT USE"
@TylerH Who wants to run the pool? I say 2.5 hours.
 
You have no more close votes today; come back in 3 hours.
 
8:25 PM
@NathanOliver The review session has been marked as completed. To set the number of items you reviewed use the command last session edit count <new count>
 
I'd give it a day or so
 
@Closey last session edit count 32
 
Review item count has been changed:
User: NathanOliver (4342498)
Start Time: 2015-09-02 20:09:36 UTC
End Time: 2015-09-02 20:25:34 UTC
Items Reviewed: [Not Set] -> 32
Use the command 'last session stats' to see more details.
 
later guys
 
cya!
@TylerH I request a sneak peek
 
8:29 PM
... I've used the last of my close votes today to put a couple more questions into the queue.
 
Related:
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Q: Closed as not constructive but Protected... conundrum?

samayoI was just reading the question below, What is node.js? When, I noticed that, it was closed!, for "not being constructive" as says obviously; But just below that, it also says it is, protected assuming for the reasons that, it had some value to the community after-all. My view is that, It...

 
passed php audit
 
Is the review queue slow for anyone else?
 
The second line's phrasing is pending being reopened by an employee
 
8:32 PM
you should make the footnote a <sub>
 
@JoshuaDwire the queue takes a while if you're on a tag whose questions are all very old
@gunr2171 I wondered how to do that
 
@JoshuaDwire YES
@TylerH normally yes, but right now for me it's taking a good 30 seconds to load questions made today
getting multiple errors in the queue
 
I blame the coding
 
@TylerH that's....correct?
ugh, I give up
@Closey end session
 
@gunr2171 I have forcefully ended your last session. To see more details use the command last session stats. In addition, the number of review items is most likely not set, use the command last session edit count <new count> to fix that.
 
8:41 PM
@Closey last session edit count 23
 
Review item count has been changed:
User: gunr2171 (1043380)
Start Time: 2015-09-02 20:09:30 UTC
End Time: 2015-09-02 20:41:23 UTC
Items Reviewed: [Not Set] -> 23
Use the command 'last session stats' to see more details.
 
63
Q: Sudden change in voting proportion

BennyI study voting on Stack Overflow and found a sudden change in negative/positive voting ratio on questions in April 2014. I would imagine that such a drastic change will result from a change in Stack Overflow policy, features or UI, but I found no evidence to such a change in the features document...

Lol, that's right around the time I started downvoting for roomba every single day
 
so, you alone are to blame?
 
@gunr2171 I HAVE ALL THE POWER
 
so this was really about you?
 
8:49 PM
There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "too broad; [forms]"
 
@gunr2171 I'm the latest version of that bot
@JoshuaDwire Did you do yet?
 
Last I checked source was empty. Looks like it has stuff now. I'll work on it.
You have no more close votes today; come back in 3 hours.
 
@JoshuaDwire The review session has been marked as completed. To set the number of items you reviewed use the command last session edit count <new count>
 
I feel bad; I haven't hopped into the queue in some time
 
Got 2 from
 
8:52 PM
@TylerH Today is the first day of the rest of your life.
 
@Closey last session stats
 
Review item count has been changed:
User: Joshua Dwire (1721527)
Start Time: 2015-09-02 20:19:37 UTC
End Time: 2015-09-02 20:51:36 UTC
Items Reviewed: [Not Set] -> 38
Use the command 'last session stats' to see more details.
 
@durron597 Thanks, now I feel old
 
@JoshuaDwire Your last completed review session ended 1 minute and 24 seconds ago and lasted 31 minutes and 58 seconds. You reviewed 38 items, averaging a review every 50 seconds.
 
Nice, I managed to get a pending NAA onto page two of my flags
 
8:58 PM
and I'm out, bye!
 
9:15 PM
@Mogsdad off-topic -> requesting a tool or off-site resource
"what resources exist now that didn't exist then"
 
@TylerH Take your pick of reasons. I feel bad for the guy who wrote that long answer today, which showed up as possibly flaggable! Well... don't answer questions that should be closed, right?
 
@Mogsdad you missed his linked question
 
@cimmanon I wouldn't exactly say I've been missing it, Bob.
You have no more close votes today; come back in 2 hours.
 
@Mogsdad I don't seem to have the start of your review session on record. I might have not been running when you started, or some error happened.
 
Yeah, that's a tough call... sometimes I'd say it's okay to answer a question at risk of being closed if it has potential to be edited into good shape
and of course, there are times where questions get answered that the answerer didn't know was already asked somewhere
read: whose job is it to search for dupes, asker or answerer or both, and how often?
 
9:21 PM
@TylerH Both. Any time they are going to do either.
 
@TylerH both.
 
Even I've answered questions that were marked duplicates later, although usually because I thought there was one and searched, but couldn't find one, and gave up and answered, only to have someone else find the good dupe target I was looking for
 
@TylerH Me too. Doesn't mean it wasn't our obligation, though.
 
it happens. sometimes the right question is impossible to find unless you were the one who answered the original
 
I really hate how the search function within SO will give me seemingly totally unrelated questions
I have to go to google to do a site:stackoverflow.com search w/ related terms instead
 
9:22 PM
@cimmanon Or only by finally having the dup pointed out do you learn the terminology...
 
@Mogsdad luckily those I tend to catch and mark myself
 
@TylerH I have a user script that catches all my SO searches, turns them into back-door google searches, then fills the SO result page as if the search was native.
 
I'm sure it's more frequent though the more you answer questions in multiple tags/topics
 
Actually...no I don't. I just pretty much use google.
 
@Mogsdad that... is a little sad, that that is necessary
 
9:24 PM
for really commonly asked questions, i swear its a race for highreps to answer before i can find the appropriate dupe target :-(
 
haha
there is a cabal against you
 
@cimmanon But that makes closing it just that much more fun!
 
i just star the questions that are commonly reasked
 
"Room for Thwarting Cimmanon", I think the chatroom is called
 
then do a [sass] infavorites:mine question that was already asked
 
9:25 PM
Anyway... out of votes, out of flags, out of deletes... Dinner time!
 
See ya
 
Ahhh I meant to come back to this...
@gunr2171 You should add an answer to this: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/136609/…
 
I'm out as well
 
@durron597 NAA on a library request? thats never happened before :p
 
@cimmanon You can VTC it too (I'm out of those also)
 
Sam
10:00 PM
@durron597 Thoughts on the new search command? (Still implementing.)
Can someone quickly star/unstar a message (just need to test something)?
Thanks.
 
@Sam if you're to see if the userid is still included when a star event occurs - a change was made yesterday/day before to not include it in the websocket messages
 
Sam
@JonClements Yeah, I was informed this morning.
I just wanted to see if anything else had changed.
 
10:17 PM
That's the only change I'm aware of
 
Sam
Ok.
 
There's an MSE post (just filter by the chat tag) with opinions on the change if you're not already aware
 
Sam
I don't think I've actually seen the post, yet...
 
@JonClements Any idea what happened to my comments on this answer?
 
Some review-audits are really laughably easy to pass: A comprehensive answer by the Skeet, and it purports to be in VLQ-queue due to "length and content". stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/9375723
 
Sam
10:29 PM
@Clo alive
 
@Sam I feel fine.
 
@LynnCrumbling apart from the obvious - they were deleted?
@Deduplicator Well... apart from a couple of audits that are iffy - they're not meant to be hard to pass :p
 
@JonClements Sure, sure. I just mean that one was a bit beyond ridiculously easy. It's a bit hard to imagine a bot stumbling over that. Though presumably there are some...
@durron597 Just for that I look at it.
 
10:48 PM
14
Q: Make [instances] an instance of [instance]!

thesecretmasterWhy do we need both instances and instance? The questions look the same and the tag wiki for instances is very minimal: a specific realization of any object. It currently has 352 questions, and so I would like to request that we merge instances into instance. Well, it seems like nobody is ...

I'm assuming you guys have seen that ^^^? You're normally more on top of such things than I am
 
@Jon Is this really NAA? OP wants to test whether his client handles sha2 correctly using the facebook-api, and this gets him halfway there
@JonClements Sure. But we have other fish to fry yet. (Making that synonym would ease eventual burnination btw.)
 
Well - I'm tempted to just merge the plural into the singular (generally how the tag system works), but I haven't the time to look through and see if there's a real distinct difference in usage (not my job!)
@Deduplicator Before I even bother looking - why do you ask?
 
Sam
Night all.
 
Because I failed the audit, and think it should be taken out of circulation. Undeletion is not needed, the accepted answer subsumes that by now.
 
g'night @Sam
 
Yam
10:55 PM
Yam v2 stopped.
 
@Sam night
 
@Sam gn8
 
Sam
inb4 stream of pings
One of these days I'll have to ping everyone in the room "Good night!"
Anyway, I'm off, for real.
 
Nice plan.
 
@Deduplicator Had a look at that A - a bit of complicated history on it - thanks for pointing it out - I'll see what I can do
 
11:06 PM
thanks
 
Should be a synonym of ?
 
@Deduplicator won't go into details, but it's now sorted... thanks again
@approxiblue maybe that's a meta post, and shouldn't also also be or just to be easier on the eye :p
 
@approxiblue Yes. But they are both sponsored, by the same company even, so it needs a meta-post for Sales to chime in.
 
I'll see if there's already a post for that.
is for a dead graphics framework for Flex, with 21 questions.
I forget what I want to ask.
brb making tag wiki
17
Q: Merge [ews], [exchangews] and [exchangewebservices]

Daniel A. Whiteews and exchangewebservices are the same and both are sponsored (Not sure if that matters). There also is exchangews Can we replace ews/exchangews with exchangewebservices?

 
11:30 PM
@approxiblue Nice find. And that's really old by now.
 
@Deduplicator The tag was smaller back then, there are around 2k questions from both tags now
How do we bring this up again? Edit bump? I want to add @JonClements' rename suggestion, should that be in an answer instead?
 
@approxiblue Things aren't easily brought up again on Meta, if at all.
 
@approxiblue I edit-bumped it.
 
@Deduplicator thanks
 
@JonClements: Would you ask SE sales about it?
 
11:35 PM
@Siguza Failing this, I'll add the question count for each tag into the post, and edit bump it from time to time :>
 
@Deduplicator that's for Sales/CM team to do - not me... the way you contact them about that is via meta
 
@JonClements Is there a special tag to summon them?
 
Well, did my best by adding [support] and [sponsored-tags]
 
Shouldn't "sponsored-tags" alone summon them? But then again, maybe it did, a year ago...
I think next to "Hot Meta Posts" we need something like "Top Unresolved Meta Posts" just for the damn attention...
 

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