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7:00 PM
@Mogsdad Don't go all "your common sense" on us
 
![Common sense is so rare is should be a SUPERPOWER!](img:treasure.diylol.com/uploads/post/image/330182/…)
 
A for effort
 
5 minutes of my life I'll never get back. And I'm halfway through, so that's serious!
 
is this NAA ("try X" type answers)? stackoverflow.com/a/32080543/1652962
 
your life expectancy is 10 minutes?
 
user4639281
7:06 PM
@cimmanon Downvote worthy, NaA could get declined.
 
^ agree
 
i never did get an answer either way on my naming conventions meta topic. so... opinionated or not? stackoverflow.com/questions/6845772/…
 
Not the link you meant?
 
user4639281
@cimmanon No the question is asking about a specific situation.
 
@TinyGiant whether the resource name is plural or not is not a programming problem, though
they may as well have asked tabs vs spaces
 
user4639281
7:10 PM
No
 
Thanks for the reply! Unfortunately, it doesn't help me learn anything because all five of those ones you agree were VLQ flags and not NAA flags, and yet a moderator did mark them as declined. Which standard should I hold myself to in the future, the one outlined in this answer or the one based on the actual declined flags I received? — durron597 10 secs ago
 
same question, different instance and closed: stackoverflow.com/questions/338156/…
 
@cimmanon I've been voting to close naming questions on PROGRAMMERS as primarily opinion based.
 
user4639281
@cimmanon That question is a programming problem, because in programming it is very common that an object containing other objects is a plural, and when referencing individual object it is a singular. The question isn't a great question, but it is about a specific naming convention.
 
If they're POB there, they must be here, no?
 
7:12 PM
@TinyGiant why are naming conventions on-topic at all?
"should i name my method 'foo' or 'bar'?" would be off-topic, why is pluralization on-topic?
 
user4639281
If there is an established naming convention, why shouldn't questions about that specific naming convention be on-topic?
 
@cimmanon It's a programming question with a clear, easily reproducible problem statement.
 
user4639281
If there is no established naming convention then it is opinion based
 
However, the problem is that it's opinion based. It doesn't have an unambiguous answer.
 
@TinyGiant naming conventions are inherently opinionated
 
7:14 PM
@cimmanon ^^ This
 
user4639281
Not if they are established by an institution.
 
@TinyGiant oh, time to refactor all my code to hungarian, then.
 
@TinyGiant they are are the opinions of the institution that create them.
various institutions have decreed that tabs should never be used for indentation.
 
user4639281
That second question you linked is just ripe with opinion based language.
 
7:15 PM
why? just 'cause
 
@Kyll Could be edited. Good(?) answers.
 
@Mogsdad The answers will stay even if it's closed, so...
 
user4639281
Ok, but if you're asking about one specific indentation schema then it would be on-topic
 
Both - there will be some measure of disagreement, and that's ok. Improve your odds by not raising too many flags in a very short period of time, if you can help it; if someone's flooding the site with crap, that's unavoidable, but if it looks like you're just clogging the queue with old answers that matched a search query some mods will decline all at the first sign of inaccuracy. — Shog9 ♦ 1 min ago
Good thing I already got Marshal out of this whole experiment ;)
 
user4639281
How I write my software is to some degree my opinion, so if you ask a question about a piece of software that I write, does it make the question off-topic?
 
7:17 PM
@Kyll If a question can be salvaged, it should be.
 
@Mogsdad How would you possibly salvage this?
 
user4639281
Are MVC questions off-topic?
 
user4639281
Are any other schema questions off-topic?
 
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Q: Is it OK to ask a question about naming conventions?

wsanvilleI understand that naming conventions for code have an element of personal preference, and can be subjective and argumentative, which isn't the goal of these sites. But, I'm really looking for feedback on demonstrating that some current naming conventions I'm forced to use hurt readability and do...

 
@Kyll Can't say you would be able to salvage it without writing up a new question that fits all the answers
 
user4639281
7:19 PM
A naming convention above everything else is a set of defined rules. If the rules are not defined, any answer is going to be opinion based, but if the rules are defined then asking about it is on-topic.
 
@Kyll Like that.
 
@Mogsdad That went from too broad to too broad again
 
user4639281
@cimmanon That is not the same thing though. Asking about whether or not something hurts readability is inherently opinion based.
 
If you saw "how do I do it?" at the end of a (small) programming question, you'd close it as too broad/mcve
 
@Kyll I don't know about that. Is it "too broad, or otherwise problematic to identifying the problem in a way that can be properly addressed by answerers"? By that standard, and looking at the two upvoted answers it has, I'd have to say no.
 
7:23 PM
anyway, this was my meta question: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/277259/…
 
"How do I fix this problem with saving configuration settings to a .properties file?" "Don't; save it to a database instead" Vote to close opinion based and too broad
If you allow too much of "solve your problem by doing something completely different" then no question is answerable.
 
@Mogsdad I'm not convinced either way. Mind if I bring it to Meta?
 
user4639281
@cimmanon I agree with Joe's sentiments.
 
@TinyGiant here is the problem with bullshit naming conventions like BEM/SMACSS: they almost never useful to future visitors
 
user4639281
Questions about the usage of a naming conventions are really just usage questions.
 
user4639281
7:27 PM
Well... whether they are useful or not is the real question.
 
user4639281
One that could probably be quantified using available statistics tools.
 
Look, Blue! A Clue! "I've made a mess of this question so i'll start a new thread with a clearer subject line, sorry" Well, Gareth, you certainly did. But you never did ask that other "thread". And SO isn't a forum. So go away. Oh, wait... you did!
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad Lolz
 
@Kyll You're a sucker for punishment, I see! I've got no problem with that... the extra attention you give that question will probably decide it's fate.
 
@Mogsdad I'm sick of seeing this question in my feed, most of all
 
7:35 PM
@Closey starting
 
@rene May the Vote be with you!
 
A new, lower bar for "newbie". I'm pretty sure my Mother would have avoided asking this because she figured it out before finishing typing it in. The answer is equally dense, assuming PHP explains it all - to someone who thinks saving a page in FF is 'development'.
@rene Lots in the source review queue.
 
OK
will take those on
passed c# audit
 
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Q: Should this specific upvoted answered question be closed as too broad?

KyllThis question : I'm interested in deploying my app in a Windows Azure environment. I'm not even sure it can be done, but if it is possible, how do I do it? Seems extremely broad to me. However it has received some upvotes and two upvoted answers which go into great details to explain how to...

 
@Kyll inb4 meta effect gets it closed and triggers a war
 
7:39 PM
@Mogsdad actually, you can close that one as a dupe
 
> You voted to close this question Aug 7 at 12:37
(to Kyll's post)
 
@cimmanon I'm now avoiding closing with 'dup' for , for questions that would meet the Roomba criteria. (As per @durron597's comments yesterday.)
 
@gunr2171 Yep, it was the day an edit was made on one of the answer, which made the question pop up on my page
 
@cimmanon I have still put the dup links in comments, when I have known it, as a signpost.
 
passed javascript audit
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 4 hours to continue reviewing.
 
7:43 PM
@rene Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
 
@Closey last session stats
 
@rene Your last completed review session ended 14 seconds ago and lasted 7 minutes and 56 seconds. You reviewed 40 items, averaging a review every 11 seconds.
 
7:56 PM
@Mogsdad If you VTC something as a dupe, just edit the out of the question before you navigate away.
Or make a note to come back to it once it's been closed.
 
@cimmanon POB?
 
@TylerH Lol thanks; I wrote a similar comment yesterday but then I deleted it.
 
@Closey starting
 
@gunr2171 May Shog9's Will be done.
 
8:08 PM
so, it's 90 deg outside right now, and I'm sure it's that hot and muggy inside as well
 
@durron597 I'm doing that if it's a highly-visited question. If the question hasn't been getting frequented in its current state, I figure it's ok for it to die a quiet death in the Roomba. That one had just 80 views over years (until we started looking at it today)... it wasn't doing much good compared to the 11K views the duplicate had in the same time period.
It's not valuable as a signpost, so it should be deleted. Now that it's been closed as duplicate, it won't be. (... automatically)
 
I just started on a diet. It is called Eat everything from the refrigerator because %^&&%$ thing died ....
 
@Closey end session
 
@gunr2171 I have forcefully ended your last session. To see more details use the command last session stats. In addition, the number of review items is most likely not set, use the command last session edit count <new count> to fix that.
 
yeah, never mind. It's so hot in here i'm not going to be able to concentrate
 
8:16 PM
@Mogsdad I mean, you can always vtc dupe and then just vtd it later
not necessarily an unreasonable fate.
 
Anyone having 5+ score in ? Cause we have on the loose...
 
ugh, should i bother flagging the accepted (link-only) answer on this question? stackoverflow.com/questions/5880553/…
 
eh
SharePoint questions often belong on SharePoint.SE anyway
 
i already flagged the new one, 'cause its new >.>
 
I VTC'd as too broad
since it requires a blog post to answer
 
8:27 PM
and its way too old to migrate
 
@Deduplicator I couldn't find a question that I could answer to gain that score...
 
Well, I also only have a single answer with a single vote...
 
@Deduplicator Link it, we could give you the score needed
 
One good iOS or Swift answer ought to do it
if nothing else we can all upvote Deduplicator's answer
@Deduplicator adding tags later won't give you score for the tag
 
@TylerH Actually, it will. But tag-scores are only recalculated once per day.
 
8:41 PM
I have never seen that happen
 
So it needs patience either way.
 
in the 9001 times I've tried it
Actually I think BoltClock said it didn't work, in another chatroom
can't find a meta question on it, asking one now
oh wait
the lovely inconsistent "similar questions" sidebar looks like it has oen
oh
conflicting source
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Q: Will Answerer get Score for Tag if new tags were added into the question?

Pratik C JoshiIf we consider , Person A answers Question Q1 where the question initially has only 2 tags Java,PHP added by Asker. Now Some person comes and adds another tag say MySQL. Now if 10 people upvoted my answer, will my Score for all Java,PHP,MySQL tags increase by 10 points? Or reputation will incre...

 
8:57 PM
@TylerH Fun! The only answer there is mine.
might help.
 
@Deduplicator yep, hence the "conflicting source" :-P
I will look through tag-score
 
@durron597 Added that to my answer there.
@TylerH Intermittent brakdown: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/267348/…
 
@Deduplicator Yeah, I am aware of the jankiness of the update process
my doubts are centered around whether adding a tag afterward counts or not
my recollection is that a moderator said they don't in another chatroom in the past
 
@TylerH I think you are conflating that with Mjölnir.
There the original revision, and only that, determines whether it can be hammered.
 
9:14 PM
ooh, MSE cap.
 
@Deduplicator possibly
 
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 4 mins ago, by Shog9
@rene No. After thinking about this for a few years, I've come to the conclusion that it probably makes sense to make close votes/day scale with reputation, in a manner similar to flags.
 
Let me believe for a couple of minutes that my earlier comment pushed him over the edge ;)
 
Isn't that how it already is, sort of?
just wayyy more limited
 
@TylerH How is that?
 
9:25 PM
I think I have more close votes now than I did before
I think I started with 30 or 40
 
You must be thinking wrongly then ... flags scale, close votes don't.
 
probably
since I got flags before I got close votes
though I'm definitely with you; I've petitioned shog for more CVs myself on at least one occasion
but the response was they were capped due to worrying about user fatigue/exhaustion
I think burnout is a non-issue when it's a voluntary action, to be honest
 
> ... that limit should scale with rep - so at 10K you'd have 38, 20K you'd have 58, 800K you'd have 1618...
 
ehhhh
I don't want to lose CVs
 
Literally my first thought when reading that
 
9:31 PM
Yeah....you think you gain something...
 
I suppose it's the balance between a lot of people doing a little bit of work and a few people doing a lot of the work...
 
1 hour ago, by Deduplicator
Anyone having 5+ score in ? Cause we have on the loose...
 
Technically, nope - don't think I do have a +5 tag score in invalidate :)
 
@JonClements Finally Shog9 has moved a little bit... I hope it doesn't take another 3 years to implement scaling starting at the current levels and then increase ...
 
@JonClements drat.
 
9:40 PM
@JonClements Well, you are welcome to make that synonym anyway.
 
@Deduplicator didn't you post something like that as a comment on meta? I was on mobile at the time... so just catching up a bit
 
@JonClements Yes. I had such a comment.
 
 
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