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1:07 PM
@gunr2171 I'm on holiday until next week, WiFi too slow and tablet too small, can help again when I'm back...
 
ok, didn't know. Have fun!
 
1:20 PM
Thanks! By the way, stackoverflow.com/q/2713845/2675154 is still open. Did I flag that wrongly?
@gunr2171 forgot to reply to you with my previous message...
 
there are no close votes on that post
looking into it
it might be that no one has reviewed it
 
@gunr2171 I flagged it at least...
 
did you cv-flag it?
 
That question is fine. Perhaps 20ks / mods should be deleting that accepted answer, but there's nothing wrong with the question.
 
it's not too broad?
or asking for a definition?
24 hours ago, by durron597
Custom close reason: "I'm voting to close this as off-topic because Stack Overflow is not a dictionary service"?
 
1:29 PM
Why is asking for a definition off topic?
@gunr2171 That was a joke
 
oh
retracting
 
That particular question was terrible but I couldn't figure out how to close it
In my opinion, stack overflow shouldn't be answering questions like "what does a main method mean?" but it can answer more difficult definitions, sure
 
ok, makes sense
 
@gunr2171yes, its still in my raised-flags list with status pending
 
@honk When did you flag it?
 
1:35 PM
@gunr2171 on Tuesday together with the other "legal" questions...
 
It would be funny if you could mark that post as a duplicate of the tag wiki
 
2:26 PM
stackoverflow.com/questions/30532008/useage-of-sass-and-haml <- i dont know what to close this as. its overly broad and poorly researched.
 
I would say too broad / why doesn't this work
 
its not really a "why doesnt this work" its a "i am too dumb to look up how to use sass/haml" question. i could close it as a dupe of another "i cant figure out how to use sass" question, but that wont help the haml side
 
only reason I say "why doesn't this work" is because of the "code must be included in the post" part
but I voted too broad
 
2:49 PM
@cimmanon Self deleted, now.
 
 
1 hour later…
4:08 PM
@Sam, still blaming him
 
Sam
@gunr2171 Same here.
 
I mean, if you are "suspended from other network chats", good chance you are guy in question here
 
Sam
Yep.
 
 
2 hours later…
6:00 PM
@Closey ping reviewers close vote event in 30 minutes, help us clear some more tags!
 
close vote event in 30 minutes, help us clear some more tags! @easwee @ProgramFOX @Dustin @user1803551 @Undo @Sam @KevinBrown @CarrieKendall @TylerH @ZeroPiraeus @rene @GreenAsJade @durron597 @LynnCrumbling
 
that's quite the list
 
Sam
Yeah. :o
 
won't reach that I'm afraid
 
ok, no problems
 
6:29 PM
@Closey start event
 
Refreshing the tag listing. Please wait...
9,275 need review
2,021 reviews today
2,603,119 reviews all-time
The tags to work on are: , , .
 
and the ones I posted 3 lines up!
And I'm first off for dinner... brb...
 
@Closey starting
 
@gunr2171 Good luck!
 
Sam
@Clo starting
 
6:31 PM
@Sam Watch out for audits!
 
@Closey starting
 
@durron597 By the power of the Vote! Review!
 
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[closed-source]"
 
Sam
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "off-topic, unclear what you're asking, too broad, primarily opinion-based; [non-gpl]"
 
passed javascript audit
 
Sam
6:33 PM
on creative-commons
 
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[non-gpl]"
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[creative-commons]"
 
Sam
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "off-topic, unclear what you're asking, too broad, primarily opinion-based; [creative-commons]"
and now onto forms...
 
passed java audit
@Sam I'm doing
 
Sam
Ah, I'll join you in that case.
 
Consult a lawyer. Seriously. Getting advice from a bunch of random people on the internet could cause you a lot of grief. — ChrisF ♦ Jun 6 '11 at 20:48
 
6:37 PM
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 5 hours to continue reviewing.
 
@durron597 Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
 
@Closey last session stats
 
@durron597 Your last completed review session ended 8 seconds ago and lasted 5 minutes and 5 seconds. You reviewed 40 items, averaging a review every 7 seconds.
 
sweet.
 
oh no
was that legit?
 
6:38 PM
I think I did some earlier today
I didn't count though,
 
ah good, my record remains in tact
8 seconds
 
That was only 28 reviews
@Closey help
 
This is a chat bot for the SO Close Vote Reviewers chat room, developed by gunr2171 and the other members of the SO Close Vote Reviewers chat room. For more information see the github page. Reply with commands to see a list of commands.
 
@closey commands
 
Below is a list of commands for the Close Vote Chat Bot

Everyone
    alive - A simple ping command to test if the bot is running.
    commands - Shows this list.
    help - Prints info about this software.
    running commands - Displays a list of all commands that the chat bot is currently running.
    status - Tests if the chatbot is alive and shows simple info about it.

Registered
    audit stats - Shows stats about your recorded audits.
    completed tags [min <#>] - Shows the latest tags that have been completed by multiple people.
 
6:39 PM
@closey last session edit count 28
 
Review item count has been changed:
User: durron597 (1768232)
Start Time: 2015-05-29 18:32:50 UTC
End Time: 2015-05-29 18:37:55 UTC
Items Reviewed: 40 -> 28
Use the command 'last session stats' to see more details.
 
Sam
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "off-topic, unclear what you're asking, too broad, primarily opinion-based; [agpl]"
 
@closey last session stats
 
@durron597 Your last completed review session ended 2 minutes and 2 seconds ago and lasted 5 minutes and 5 seconds. You reviewed 28 items, averaging a review every 10 seconds.
 
@gunr2171 better?
 
Sam
6:40 PM
on intellectual-property
 
:D
Meh, not a big deal :P
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[non-gpl] [closed-source] [creative-commons]"
 
Sam
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 5 hours to continue reviewing.
 
I used 40 downvotes today too. And I'm out of delete votes
 
@Sam Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
 
Sam
@Clo last session stats
 
6:41 PM
@Sam Your last completed review session ended 16 seconds ago and lasted 9 minutes and 3 seconds. You reviewed 40 items, averaging a review every 13 seconds.
 
@Closey my completed tags
 
@durron597 Showing all tags cleared by you that I have on record:
 | Tag Name         | Times Cleared | Last Cleared            |
 |------------------------------------------------------------|
 | creative-commons | 1             | 2015-05-29 18:35:43 UTC |
 | non-gpl          | 1             | 2015-05-29 18:34:05 UTC |
 | closed-source    | 2             | 2015-05-29 18:33:18 UTC |
 | legal            | 2             | 2015-05-26 19:05:51 UTC |
 | licensing        | 1             | 2015-05-26 19:05:51 UTC |
 | json             | 1             | 2015-04-21 21:03:59 UTC |
 
@closey completed tags
 
@durron597 Sorry, I don't understand that. Use commands for a list of commands.
 
@closey completed tags
 
6:42 PM
@durron597 Sorry, I don't understand that. Use commands for a list of commands.
 
completed tags min 3
 
@Closey completed tags
 
@durron597 Showing the latest 10 tags that have been cleared by at least 3 people. To give a different threshold number, use the command completed tags [min <#>].
 | Tag Name         | Count | Latest Time Cleared     |
 |----------------------------------------------------|
 | creative-commons | 3     | 2015-05-29 18:40:59 UTC |
 | closed-source    | 3     | 2015-05-29 18:40:59 UTC |
 | non-gpl          | 3     | 2015-05-29 18:40:59 UTC |
 | virus            | 3     | 2015-05-28 19:20:45 UTC |
 | legal            | 8     | 2015-05-28 19:16:55 UTC |
 | licensing        | 4     | 2015-05-28 13:35:20 UTC |
 | database         | 4     | 2015-05-26 02:16:39 UTC |
 
passed c audit
Man, big props to JasonMArcher for getting all those first votes for us
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 5 hours to continue reviewing.
 
@gunr2171 Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
 
6:47 PM
~15 more done on agpl
@Closey last session stats
 
@gunr2171 Your last completed review session ended 14 seconds ago and lasted 15 minutes and 54 seconds. You reviewed 40 items, averaging a review every 23 seconds.
 
that's the last one for non-gpl
 
0
Q: Can we see the total number of people who have done the maximum reviews?

durron597Posting this here instead of on MSE because most other sites don't have this many reviewers. http://stackoverflow.com/review/close/stats I'm sure lots more people than that reviewed 40 close votes today. Given that list caps on the page height, it would be nice to see the total number of peop...

 
So by that image, I'm 5 places better than you?
> Are we getting to 10000 reviews per day? 50000 (obviously not, or the queue would be empty).
that's where my comment came from
for the record
 
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Q: New 10K tool: question close statistics

Shog9Two years ago, we rolled out some significant changes to closing, along with a massive number of changes behind the scenes to clean up the supporting logic that had grown crufty over the years. As with many ambitious projects, this one quickly pushed the limits of its 6–8 week implementation sche...

@gunr2171 now you have to get 10k.
 
6:57 PM
UGH!!! FINE
and @durron597 I deleted my comment on your post because your edit addressed it
 
mine ^^^^
@Closey starting
 
@rene May the Vote be with you!
 
Sam
@rene y u use IE?
 
:(
 
wow, I didn't think duplicate would be that high.
 
7:09 PM
@gunr2171 I think duplicates don't get deleted nearly as often
Because the roomba filters for "not closed as duplicate"
 
ah ok. Plus you have gold dupe hammers helping increase that stat
 
@durron597 deletion is mostly irrelevant; as long as they got closed within the time-period, this page counts 'em.
Dup hammers and author-confirmed closes, OTOH, resulted in a HUGE bump in dup-closing
 
@Shog9 Oh, interesting. Thanks
Right, author-confirmed closing, of course
Do you happen to know what percentage of duplicate closures are done by Community ♦?
 
not off the top of my head; can look it up
FWIW, dup-closing SHOULD be higher. A lot higher.
I wrote a bit about that here...
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A: Thought experiment: What would happen if we didn't have close votes?

Shog9I have a few thoughts about this, which I've organized under roughly-independent headers... The literal answer First, it's worth noting that Stack Overflow had the notion of closed questions before it had the concept of close votes. So it's not necessarily true that "no close votes" would equa...

 
53
A: Are high-reputation users answering fewer questions?

durron597I'm not a high-rep user, as I never even bothered to get 10k. Why? What am I going to do with the 10k tools? I don't even know what they are, but I'm tired of my effort going unnoticed and unrewarded... and I don't see an incentive to work hard to get those tools just to become Sisyphus like all ...

(I guess I got 10k eventually, heh)
 
7:19 PM
good thing too
otherwise you'd be feeling left out right now
 
Yeah @gunr2171 ^^
 
just sits here
 
@Shog9 I've wanted some sort of losing gained rep for answering questions that get closed as dupe for a long time
 
wat
 
But obviously there are drawbacks; I haven't been able to figure out a good balance
 
7:21 PM
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 4 hours to continue reviewing.
 
@rene Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
 
@Closey last session stats
 
@rene Your last completed review session ended 11 seconds ago and lasted 16 minutes and 19 seconds. You reviewed 40 items, averaging a review every 24 seconds.
 
Like, if someone answers a question that's a really common dup (the sort that gets asked every single day) and they get a few bikeshed upvotes, they should consider they might lose at least some of it if it gets closed as dupe
Incentivize users to spend their time finding dupes, not answering and creating still more redundant questions
Obviously, there are lots of problems with the naive implementation of this
But there should be something. Because right now the system actively encourages / incentivizes duplicates to get answered, not closed.
 
well the system doesn't know that a post is a duplicate until it's closed
so everything would have to be retroactive
 
7:24 PM
@gunr2171 Of course
But questions like this one just aggravate me. I just don't have any ideas about how to fix the problem.
 
well, for any consolation, any non-logged in user will be auto-redirected to the target post
-1 for answering low quality questions rather than trying to improve them/find duplicates. — Shahbaz Jun 6 '14 at 13:25
 
deleted. Can't believe I waited so long to ban those stupid -1 comments.
 
We are happy to point those out for you...
How was your vacation?
I have 3 times left this custom reason I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it is. I must have been bored...
or lazy
 
You've got PEPS: Preemptive Enter Press Syndrome
(ignore fact that pressing enter on a custom close reason new-lines instead of submits)
 
Is that bad?
Can I have a pill for that?
 
7:33 PM
probably not (to both)
 
So I can still go to work and stuff?
 
or you could make it an excuse to have some more vacation
 
See what happens if I call HR to tell them I stay home because of PEPS
If my company had an HR dept....
 
get a doctor's note, instant defence
 
Sam
What if the doc has PEPS?
 
7:35 PM
What if I have PE
PS
 
it is contagious
 
Sam
Breaking news: The SOCVR room has been infected with a new, highly contagious virus; PEPS.
 
We've got a
 
ah, I see what you did there
 
Sam
7:52 PM
@rene I saw that coming. xD
 
It is Friday, give me a break...
 
Sam
You are excused to get another coffee.
 
...of that Kit Kat bar
 
8:08 PM
I might open up that bottle of wine
 
9:02 PM
that would be interesting...
 
@TylerH I never saw that answer. Good idea
(By the way, it's not that discourteous when the founder of the site calls such questions crap and it's likely the person will never even return)
 
Let users with rep over X (15k, or 20k, or 50k, or maybe just with a score of >2k in that tag, whatever) accept answers to questions that have no accepted answer AND are over six months old AND when the user has not answered that question
 
@TylerH 6 months is a lot. 1 month?
 
People go on vacation
or don't visit regularly
 
Sam
@TylerH Interesting indeed.
 
9:04 PM
give them time to accept answers to their own questions
 
They would be able to move accepted answers around
 
that's true
how about after the question is one month old AND at least one week after the most recent answer?
 
Also, don't forget about questions like this one, with the clearly wrong accepted answer: stackoverflow.com/questions/2713845/…
 
@durron597 just because he's the site's co-founder doesn't mean he's not being discourteous by calling questions crap
It's true we can most likely make a safe assumption that the user will never return/never see the comment/the question probably is crap
but we can't be certain
and it's rude anyway
especially so when the site's co-founder does it
don't copy people just because they're in charge
Otherwise we wouldn't even have chat on Stack Exchange
since Joel Spolsky thinks it's stupid
 
"Don't migrate crap" site:stackexchange.com google results in 16,900 results
shrug
I'm content to agree to disagree with you about this.
 
9:07 PM
@durron597 I would write up a but I want to have a good rep/score requirement first
@durron597 well something like 50% of voting Americans belong to the GOP so you can't exactly say might makes right, either :-P
Joking aside, sure, we can agree to disagree. I just think it would've been better if you had made a constructive comment instead of a destructive one
 
@TylerH Does that mean you think the Republicans are correct or the Democrats? :-P
 
@durron597 neither, but the GOP is much worse
 
@TylerH Ah, well now you've decided to go ahead and make this a religious discussion.
 
@durron597 If you want to talk religion, how about the chuckle I get when Christians say "1 billion people can't be wrong" and then I point them to the 2 billion Muslims in the world X-D
 
@TylerH There are more christians than muslims in the world.
 
9:12 PM
everything I know is a lie
maybe I was thinking just the ~5 billion others
 
Brief summary of the parties as far as I'm concern is this: you can't co-opt all the people by having a monopoly of thought, because half the people are going to want to rebel against the prevailing paradigm
therefore, the way to control everyone is to have two major parties so that people think they have a choice, when they really don't.
 
Yep
 
and this is why GWB doubled the national debt and Barack Obama doubled it again
 
well
that's not why the doubled it
they are trying to run the country, after all
 
@TylerH "... into the ground"
 
9:14 PM
only sometimes
some presidents more times than others
 
the list of really stupid crap that have happened under both parties watch in the last 50 years makes me nauseated.
 
yeah the list of stuff politicians in general do makes me depressed
 
most of the time, whenever i ask anyone to defend whichever political faith they subscribe to, they never seem to manage to do it without talking about how it's "better than the alternative"
my brother's a republican, in 2012 i asked him to tell me why I should vote for mitt romney without mentioning obama or the democrats
he couldn't do it
 
@durron597 not even a "he saved the 2004 winter olympics" ?
or whenever it was, 2002 or something. In Salt Lake City
 
both parties keep talking about "if we could just do our policies, everything would be great". well guess what. democrats, health care costs are higher than ever. republicans, your wars in iraq and afghanistan have only made those people hate us more, not less
democrats, you got your minimum wage increase in seattle and now tons of businesses are shutting down. republicans, you passed medicare part d and now we've spent another trillion dollars of taxpayer money on prescription drugs, which cost more than ever
 
9:23 PM
You get informed of the total number of reviews for the day. You could get maximum and minimum users from that, and then invent a figure somewhere in between. — Bill Woodger 2 hours ago
What's the point of that comment
I hate when people suggest "write a SEDE query" to feature-request questions or who comment stuff like that
 
@TylerH Especially since SEDE only updates once per week
 
@durron597 yeah, I'm ready for my score to be updated -_-
I feel better for answering questions on main and then it doesn't even update my tag score live...
@Closey starting
 
@TylerH Good luck!
 
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[non-gpl]"
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[closed-source]"
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[creative-commons]"
on database
Passed C++ audit
 
try as well @TylerH
 
9:38 PM
okay
switching to that now
-_-
Passed Java audit
come on I've got work to do, Audits.
 
ha
 
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[agpl]"
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Q: Converting a table into Third Normal Form

lolsashaI'm studying for an exam at the moment and I need a hand thoroughly understand how to convert a table into 3NF. I understand from Unormalised to 1NF, and i'm getting stuck on 1NF to 2NF. I've been given this example from a tutorial. filmNo | fTitle | dirNo | director | actorNo | ...

That was a common difficulty for many students in my SQL class in college
then again, many things were...
 
10:02 PM
@rene I added the last question to the CV queue
the 2nd to last one is now closed
also did a bit of work on the other two "ready for firing squad" tags at the top of that post
 
Great!
I'll do those tomorrow
 
I think might be finished as well
one of the two remaining ones is a locked "canonical"
the other has two downvotes and no answers, but is kind of a poor question
not sure how to respond to it at the moment
 
@TylerH yeah, we had one on legal as well, see the footnote
just leave them for now
ChrisF has commented on the question, when we are done with everything we ping him for the final call, either remove the lock, or just remove the tag
 
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 1 hour to continue reviewing.
 
@TylerH Thanks for reviewing! To see more information use the command last session stats.
 
10:06 PM
@Closey audit stats
 
@TylerH Stats of all tracked audits by tag:
 | Tag Name   | %     | Count |
 |----------------------------|
 | C++        | 18.06 | 13    |
 | C#         | 16.67 | 12    |
 | Java       | 12.50 | 9     |
 | Python     | 6.94  | 5     |
 | PHP        | 5.56  | 4     |
 | JavaScript | 5.56  | 4     |
 | R          | 4.17  | 3     |
 | algorithm  | 2.78  | 2     |
 | SQL        | 2.78  | 2     |
 | Delphi     | 2.78  | 2     |
 | Haskell    | 2.78  | 2     |
 | math       | 1.39  | 1     |
 | Javascript | 1.39  | 1     |
 | HTML5      | 1.39  | 1     |
 
C++, C#, and Java are slowly creeping away from everyone else
and it keeps getting answers...
 
@TylerH Been out of CVs for hours
 
luckily they refresh in an hour :-)
 
I'm also out of CV but I won't be here when the fresh ones arrive...
 
10:11 PM
weirdly, none of the answers that actually answered the question with code successfully were upvoted, but two bad/incomplete answers were upvoted
including one that was a link-only answer that was upvoted within 30 seconds of being posted
the other upvoted one gave some markup and said "then use CSS to position it"
 
Ok, I'm out, it is Saturday here....
 
happy weekend
 

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