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01:52
@mickmackusa why would you need to mention Ken White to corroborate this?
 
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03:35
@desertnaut I virtually never use that reason for closing or deletion. I am always under-confident in when that reason is correct. I just don't have a good eye for that kind of thing.
03:59
???
@mickmackusa At least it wasn't a request for us to down-vote it first. Incidentally, you never replied to my prior comment about that.
04:52
@HovercraftFullOfEels I don't recall. Was your comment rhetorical?
@HovercraftFullOfEels This one doesn't look like a question to me.
05:05
Looks like the page is gone. stackoverflow.com/q/33432728/2943403 The nth dupe was never going to recover from being an nth dupe. I, personally, don't have a problem with accelerated deletion of no-value content which has no path to improvement via edits. Just get it gone so that it doesn't need to be revisited days later.
 
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06:27
@mickmackusa Sorry, it was this comment that was made to Mayuch.
06:38
should this be closed as a legal question? stackoverflow.com/questions/79168943/…
@Cow dunno which one any longer but the pile of cv-pls I posted yesterday had several where my close vote had expired, but I wasn't yet allowed to vote again
I believe I will have more of those today
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07:00
@tripleee Sorry about that, I didn't actually know the close votes would expire
no worries
 
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09:14
@TheMaster That doesn't necessarily need 20k+ delete votes. A simple NAA flag for non-English suffices.
@Adriaan TBH, I wasn't sure if it was spam... The screenshot seems like a invoice for some product... but wanted to give the benefit of doubt as they don't seem to be promoting it...
@Adriaan with a single sample it's often hard to tell. Benefit of the doubt etc but I'll watch the domain
I didn't give them the benefit of the doubt
the question is worthless anyway
Cow
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09:44
I flagged as spam also
09:58
this discuss Download Trump ?
dur
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@TylerH I re-installed it some times, also I re-installed Tampermonkey, but it the script is not working anymore. Maybe Chrome doesn't support it anymore? Or any new security configuration?
@jettchen if you are asking whether that is an acceptable topic for this room, the answer is no (to the extent that I can guess what "Download Trump" means; but in short, if it's not a question on Stack Overflow, it's not on-topic here)
the room description on the upper right has a link to our FAQ which includes a discussion of the room's mission
I don't think you will find a chat room on Stack Overflow where world politics are particularly welcome (this is a technical site after all); but the greater Stack Exchange network has several sites where it's fine and encouraged, e.g. politics.stackexchange.com
even if you are new to the site, your rep on Stack Overflow makes you eligible for a bonus 100 reputation points immediately upon joining the site, which includes enough rep to participate in chat (including in particular 2024 US Election, though it's pretty quiet in there)
I'm hard pressed to find a scenario where anyone would want to download Trump; do you really want him on your hard drive?
perhaps try ChatGPT instead - it will happily act completely inane on command, but as a bonus, you can make it stop when it's no longer funny
 
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@tripleee Maybe I don't like my hard drive
11:46
cruel and unusual punishment
The hard drive knows what it did
12:29
If I download Trump to my HD does that mean I get an identical copy or the original?
Pretty sure this is how the "clone wars" begun...
experiments are still in their early infancy. I think we are hoping that if you download one, the original goes to standby
Dolly Trump?
or Donald J. Parton?
Hmm yeah maybe if we check out Donald and then make a commit changing him either to Dolly the sheep or Dolly Parton, we'll get a more relaxed political situation.
Is the White House using git or svn?
Donald Trunk?
(Ok I'll stop now :P)
13:08
Don't torture Dolly like that
13:21
Should this post in the S/G be closed as "not reproducible"?
13:44
^ Why does that one get reported by smokey? It's a link-only answer for the review queues. Supposedly someone flagged it for VLQ?
@Lundin ^
14:04
Hmmm ok
@dur ah, I think Chrome started pushing its new extension framework that really hamstrings some add-ons (like ad blockers). Maybe it affected Tampermonkey as well?
@TylerH Manifest-3 or whatever they called it
yeah
Anyone else on Chrome vLatest with Tampermonkey and the userscripts here notice any of them not working?
Basically Prakesh(?) (Google's CEO) declared a war on add-blockers, because they endanger Google's model of scraping us for data. And reduce their income.
14:11
Come to the Firefox side. We (don't) have (tracing) cookies!
@Lundin Mozilla agreed to accept Manifest 3 though. Probably part of their $500M/y deal with Google to have them as standard search engine in FF
And alas, Firefox is horrible for mobile, I have to use Chrome there... and ever time I do, a cute little kitten dies.
Safari/
@Lundin curious what you find so bad about Firefox on mobile?
I switched a few years ago to Firefox on mobile and haven't noticed any issues
@TylerH Same here. Except for the switching part. I started with FF on me first smartphone three years ago
14:15
@TylerH Ages ago I used it but switched away to Brave. I can't remember specific issues with Firefox but it wasn't really a smooth experience. Wasn't horrible, either - usable but a bit annoying. It's possible that they issues I had were addressed, though.
@TylerH I started with Chrome because it's an Android phone. Then tried Firefox but it was so godawful slow that it simply couldn't be used for browsing the web. My phone is quite dated by now though.
I have a Galaxy S10e, Firefox seems OK for me today, though our perceptions may vary :-) I don't use the mobile browser on my phone a ton since I sit at a real computer all day. Usually just use it for looking things up or playing puzzle games while I'm bored
@Adriaan Sundar Pichai is Google's CEO
14:34
@TylerH This is an old S8. I might give Firefox yet another chance for my next phone in the near future. I don't use it for web browsing a lot either for the same reason as you. Basically just for reading news during lunch break or googling random stuff.
14:49
@Adriaan I think Manifest v3 on Firefox is a partial implementation that doesn't hamstring adblocking, at least as much. And Firefox AFAIK hasn't announced a date at which they will turn off Manifest v2, so you can just keep using add-ons that use that framework until that time, instead (like uBlock Origin)
15:25
My browser does not like that page
VLAZ had the same problem, it's part of that bug with deleted answers being a whole page or something, like @RyanM mentioned yesterday.
What browser do you use, out of curiosity?
(and, I'll save the next 5-6 wrong lang answers for next week, because there are many more on that question)
Safari
it's force-reloaded once today, once or twice yesterday
I'm using FF
This one is not as bad. The other page with 100+ answers was awful.
well, this one is down to some ~28 undeleted answers, with at least another 8 to go before we're down to just the ones written in the language OP asked for.
there was one Kotlin one I skipped, personally, because IIRC that language compiles to Java or is fully compatible with a Java compile or something like that
Gave it the benefit of the doubt
I'd be OK if an answer has a decent an explanation even if it has code in a different language. Not just code-only in a different language.
15:34
@VLAZ that wouldn't be quite as bad, no (so long as the answer's explanation doesn't also repeat the explanation other answers already give)
so far it looks like the few that did provide some explanation are just repeats, AKA thinly-veiled attempts to answer the question just so they can post their own pet solution in their preferred language
I'm just skimming the page but even the Java solutions (at least the code-only ones) seem to have repeats
A solution in C# to a question in Java is not particularly useful. Please only provide answers in the language specified by the question. — TylerH 23 mins ago
Lol, the C# solution can be converted to a Java solution by...lowercasing the L in .Length
Oh, okay. I did the Kotlin. not too familiar with it, but it seemed like it's own language
Didn't touch the non-java upvoted answers, though
15:59
@VLAZ I'm sure they do
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16:48
Question: This answer here is an exact copy of the accepted answer. The only difference is, they forgot to copy all of the text. How do I flag this properly? The reason I ask is, that earlier today I flagged the other answer the user has as not an answer and this was declined.
Maybe I'm missing something?
@Cow I custom flagged the first one. The second one might be an answer. I honestly can't tell but comments suggest it's something about PHP versions. And the answer might be config for which PHP version to use. I'm not familiar with Laravel or whatever tool will be used by composer
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17:05
@VLAZ hmm ok, that makes sense
@Cow I think the whole question is a dupe
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@aynber damn, I didn't even check that
@Cow I remember seeing it several times. I closed it
Cow
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@aynber thank you so much :)
17:57
@mickmackusa question was already closed as such. And in any case, if you are under-confident for whatever reason, you are always most welcome to not post a request here...
18:38
@desertnaut What does POB stand for?
Is it "Probably Opinion-Based"?
@Starship sorry, it's "primary opinion-based", and it is practically a standard here
@Starship "Primarily Opinion Based". It's what the "Opinion Based" close reason used to say. Unfortunately, SE made a bunch of changes to the first level close reasons a couple/few years ago in what I recall to be an effort to be more "welcoming". My, and many other people's opinions about those changes, or at least many of those changes, are ... quite negative, for multiple reasons, including that the changes just overall were bad for SO, and most other sites. A lot of that is captured in the comments and answers to "Improving the copy in the close modal and post notices – 2023 edition"
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(ninja'd, but I was already largely into a longer explanation)
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20:25
@desertnaut I'm always going with the polite response, giving people the opportunity to decide for themselves if they want to ask on another SE :D
hehe
@Cow you mean, "I'm afraid this is quite possibly the most opinion-based question I've ever seen on this site" ? :-)
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@TylerH nah desertnaut replied to me on a comment :-)
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I always write you can and leave up to people if they want to :)
my English might be wrong though
but I certainly hope not
@desertnaut thank you. I'm picking up your snark.
21:21
@Cow did you mean to write [cv-pls] here?
@Cow copy that :)
22:06
@TylerH a very valid question is whether a request to review an SG post is [review-pls] or something else...
I do not have an answer :-p
@RyanM well, any request is technically a 'review' request since you're asking people to review an item for an appropriate status change, but there's a specific use case for "review-pls" which is the review queues. While SG is similar, it's not technically a review queue. I think requests to close an item, like in Cow's post above, should be cv-pls, in general, since that's the specific request Cow appeared to be implying with "not about programming".
It's a review queue in some senses; it shares some infrastructure with review queues.
yes, I agree it's highly similar
e.g., review suspensions apply to SG reviewing, but not (sometimes to my great annoyance) close voting
just that it's not technically one the way we refer to them (e.g. it doesn't show up in the "review queue" list on the top bar, and you don't unlock it at a specific reputation)
@RyanM well, yeah, but that makes sense, because close voting is not a review-only action :-)
It would be appropriate to apply a separate suspension type for that: status-vote suspension (can't close, reopen, or delete vote a post)
22:15
But it does block "close voting" in SG, and you can "close vote" in SG even if you can't close-vote anywhere else
It's probably most accurate to think of the SG as a separate space, almost like an area 51 incubator for new SO questions
@TylerH I do agree that'd be ideal, but in a great many cases, the people who are doing it wrong in one place probably are also not doing it correctly in the other.
Ideally we'd just have, like, a bunch of checkboxes for privileges :-p
well, there's nothing saying you can't apply multiple concurrent suspension types, is there?
oh, I guess there is...
"you're not allowed to edit, but your close voting is fine"
yeah, that'd be quite nice
with "templates" at the top you could click that auto-selected the ones that typically apply
22:17
yeah
(but allowing the moderator to change the checked boxes if needed)
We can ban people from suggesting edits, but not from editing entirely
Or - just to throw a spanner in the works - you could be in an answer ban but still be able to delete other folks' answers. ;-P
@RyanM well, at least not atomically :-P
@AdrianMole "if I can't answer, no one can!"
@TylerH As in we can ban them entirely? :-p
I was about to say that can't happen (for Reasons™), but actually, thinking of cases where mods have tried to lift answer bans, there might be edge cases.
actually, I wonder if they special-cased mods for the answer ban. red-flag nuke all a mod's answers; would they get answer-banned?
IIRC non-mod staff are special-cased but I don't recall if mods are
Hmm, I was thinking of "No spam validation", I think.
The MSE list of moderator abilities doesn't list it, but also I expect that it has come up exactly never.
What has come up, in terms of similar-ish edge cases, is that you do retain rep for a post that is red-flag nuked, as long as it meets the usual criteria. So you can have a spam-nuked post that still has a positive effect on your rep.

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