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@desertnaut R/A gibberish flags are only for "cat on a keyboard" or repeating the same word/phrase over and over again. Also if you think somethings R/A don't bother editing out salutations
@Starship didn't notice before editing... :(
 
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02:43
@Starship turns out flag was found helpful
 
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04:30
Where can I turn to ask for someone who can fix a question? OP needs help with getting his code to use a web proxy but I don't know enough to fix the question to make it intelligable let alone the answer. I voted to close; OP since added a comment enough for me to reconsider. stackoverflow.com/questions/79162298/…
 
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@Joshua If you think the question is now both suitable for this site and sufficiently clear (after the edit), then you can vote to reopen it and post a reopen-pls request in here. (You can also make further edits, if you think that will help clarify the question.)
(Or, as you have implicitly done, you can ask in here if there is anyone who can edit to fix it.)
 
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14:35
@VLAZ obviously necessary to use a phone because they couldn't connect to the WiFi to upload a screenshot of the problem
14:49
@desertnaut Interesting. I've also had incorrect autoflags marked helpful though...
15:11
@desertnaut Post was 20k deleted. Any deletion marks red flags as helpful
@Machavity Just wondering, am I or desertnaut correct here?
@Starship It does not qualify for the gibberish exception. It's merely NAA. Remember, red flags carry steep penalties for posts removed by them
I'm not inclined to fix that post, tho. Mere deletion doesn't apply the -100
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16:01
@tripleee run out of votes on this one?
I picked details or clarity I dunno
50 close votes is that maximum for everyone?
@Cow if you're asking whether the most close votes a normal user can have per day is 50, yes that's correct. Moderators/staff have no daily limit, though.
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@TylerH thanks, mods are not normal people anyways :D (j/k)
True, most are abnormal. And few are people. Surprisingly many are dogs or other creatures.
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rofl
Don't think we've ever had a cow though
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16:18
too bad
@TylerH At least one is a universe. Maybe that also contains cows.
fair point
as Carl Sagan once wisely said, if you want to bake an apple pie, first you have to invent the universe.
16:38
@TylerH Did they ever resolve the issue that close votes in the Staging Ground are 'in addition' to the normal quota? They said that back in the SG's beta days but, from what I remember, CVs then were eating up the daily allowance.
@AdrianMole yeah, they are separate now
 
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17:47
@Machavity it's not merely deleted, it is deleted and "marked as spam or rude or abusive and is therefore not shown": stackoverflow.com/a/79164586/4685471 ; is this also automatic whenever a post flagged as such gets 20k deleted? @Starship
@desertnaut The only way to remove that is to cancel the red flags and re-delete
@Machavity so, the flag was found helpful automatically?
I mean, the post was found to be as such automatically?
If a post is deleted, and has helpful red flags, you see the "not shown" message, regardless of how it got deleted
Mods can move any red flags to disputed, which is the only way to change that
@Machavity still unclear. You mean that here the "not shown" message was purely automatic, with no mod involved (and no other users flagging it as R/A), simply because a single user (here myself) flagged it as such?
17:57
There was another red flag there, but yes, it is automatic, and no, it was not mod deleted or flagged
ok, thanks
@desertnaut I also flagged that one as R/A shortly after it was posted, since it looked like copy/paste nonsense
@miken32 yeah, sounds reasonable to me
 
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19:26
omg
stackoverflow.com/questions/19793045/… I wish I were a moderator for 30 seconds
there are what appear to be two whole pages of answers here that don't address the question at all
@TylerH "I wish I were a moderator for 30 seconds" -- you could become a moderator for a couple of years if you strongly wished it. ;)
i.sstatic.net/AJo0zdP8.png and there's more to go
19:43
@TylerH ugh. That answer section might be candidate for the worst answer section on the site. There are 33 answers and the highest scored one is at 8. In total 4 answers have a positive score.
The top scored answer doesn't even address the question. It doesn't explain what's wrong, it's just a code-only solution.
@VLAZ yeah, I flagged that one first for moderator deletion, then made the mistake of scrolling down
Why are people just posting answers in random languages on there?!
to quote Kevin B, 🚽
finding posts like this is why I will perpetually be stuck in the low 20ks of rep forever
I should note: this answer is OK. It provides C++ code but it also clearly explains the issue and what the solution should be. The fact that it's C++ code is not super relevant, you can treat it as pseudocode and implement in any language. But there are a bunch that just go "100/100 solution in <language> <code>".
yeah, I didn't touch that one or the accepted answer
19:48
Probably the only two answers that are OK. I'm still reading the rest.
the issue is OP asks specifically why their code returned a specific error message (and, subsequently, why that resulted in a low score). What 99% of the answers share is "working code 100/100 in <language>" sigh
Or one which says "though I got 80 only :(...but it worked"
yeah, lol'd at that one
I reviewed some answers. Have to come back and finish reviewing them tomorrow.
yeah, I quickly ran out of both downvotes and delete votes
20:07
@VLAZ There's also stackoverflow.com/questions/29861306/… and I'm sure more of them out there
/codility/d
20:37
@VLAZ Deleting the -2 answers?
Never mind, I hit my limit pretty quick
also lol good timing: Question flags: More than 30 answers posted to this question (auto) - Community[Bot] yesterday
I hate those flags, because they're very often valid, but are incredibly annoying to handle effectively without subject matter expertise.
@RyanM why they don't auto-protect questions after some amount of answers is beyond me
like, 10 is more than generous
but 30+?! and still no protection is wild
I think they want some signal that the answers are 1) bad, and 2) being posted by people whom protection would stop
I think if three answers by such users are deleted, it will be protected
yeah, increasing the protection rep requirement would help with that
the current one is essentially useless for everything except spam attacks, which is not what it was intended for
ehhhh
it definitely stops some stuff.
otherwise everyone would come and post their totally novel way to parse integers in Java.
I mean, everyone did
there are 35 answers there
that's about 30 more than are worthwhile, I'm guessing
Mod note: This question has 30 answers and another 82 deleted answers, most of which were removed for repeating existing answers. If you are considering adding a new answer to this question, please ensure that you've read all the existing answers and confirmed that your answer adds something new and useful. — Ryan M ♦ Mar 2, 2023 at 1:50
I can only imagine how much worse it'd be if 1-rep users could post
@RyanM I can only imagine how much better it'd be if there were better protection options for repeat/non-answers :-)
yeah, arguably maybe there could be tiers
like Wikipedia has
"we think this question is particularly likely to have terrible answers posted to it, so instead of 10 rep, you now need 100."
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21:07
@RyanM I find it hard to believe the question "How do I convert a String to an int in Java?" needs more than about 5 answer.
of the 30 remaining, a surprising number are useful
an unsurprising number are not.
the really fun part is that it triggers the bug where having only one page of undeleted answers causes all the deleted answers to also not be paginated.
Oh...is that why the tab froze when I opened it?
almost certainly, if you have userscripts
and probably, even if you don't
Arguably, I could have been a tad more aggressive with my deletion. I was deleting everything that was either a blatant retread, does not answer the question, or is completely broken (think "not valid Java"), with a goal of getting down to a single page of answers.
OK, I do see more than 5 useful answers, that's true. But also some are redundant - few just explain how to handle NumberFormatException or that it happens. Makes me wish we were more like Wikipedia. In that what we really need is some community curated article. Not just different people shouting bits and pieces of the same information.
Also, the scanner answer is awful.
burn it with fire
21:17
At +11 / -0 it's a bit hard.
Search my name on that page to see quite a number of the problems pointed out, such as:
With getBytes you're using the platform's default charset and risking multi-byte encodings. There's just no reason to do this. Also, this doesn't handle negative numbers. — Ryan M ♦ Mar 2, 2023 at 1:23
@VLAZ not even the worst one with a score that high:
This will also misparse non-integral numbers (e.g., 4.2 as 42) if that could be in your data. — Ryan M ♦ Mar 2, 2023 at 1:42
(plus, as the comment above notes, it does the same thing to negative numbers)
@gre_gor any idea if that's suitable for RaspberryPi.SE? Or any other site?
@RyanM It probably would be. Their on-topic help page mentions "Raspberry Pi hardware, including GPIO and other related electronics."
Sounds good, thanks. Sent it over.
22:10
does webmasters take this sort of thing? webapps? (I don't think so because it can be self-hosted, but maybe since presumably it doesn't have to be?)
23:26
@VLAZ saved by Dharman

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