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12:57 AM
people do have a duplicate for this, right? stackoverflow.com/questions/75883247
 
@KarlKnechtel stackoverflow.com/q/3683602/208273 is close, at least
stackoverflow.com/q/7459939/208273 is relevant as well even though there's only one character
 
 
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6:01 AM
@karel I edited this a bit to try to make it more clearly on-topic
 
6:17 AM
@RyanM I fixed it further - the Ask Question Wizard is truly terrible.
 
6:38 AM
^ Flagged R/A but might even be spam. It's so bad, it's hard to tell.
 
@learner No noisy formatting please.
 
@JeanneDark sorry I will keep that in mind next time
It was downvoted in 2 minutes, that's not even sufficient time to read the question. Can anyone take a look?
 
@learner If you hover your mouse over the tooltip, you'll see "This question does not show any research effort; it is unclear or not useful" which covers typical reasons for downvoting posts. Only the user in question can tell you more about it, we can't. Maybe you'd like to ask how your question could be improved or something like that.
 
@learner Well there is a CV because it's opinion based which honestly it might be. Alright by what measure?
 
@cafce25 edited the title
I couldn't find references for LL(1) parser to AST construction.
I am looking for a review of my algorithm, and for references to any other well known algorithm.
I don't think it was that hard to understand from my original post.
 
7:04 AM
@learner Now it needs more focus. You are asking multiple, distinct questions ("Is this an efficient algorithm to build AST during LL(1) parsing?" and "Are there any other methods?") and the question whether the algorithm is efficient or not may still be considered opinion-based.
 
@learner downvotes can be opinion-based - There is not always a reason to tell why a specific unknown user finds a question not helpful. Not helpful does not necessarily mean that it breaks guidelines or is poorly formatted. Well-formatted questions are often downvoted as they are common duplicates showing no research effort and/or are such basic questions that they are too broad to be helpful (also falls back to missing research effort). Only the downvoted can tell you why he downvoted it.
 
Efficient is still quite unclear, cpu-time, memory, programming-time, ...? Also for reviews you might want to post your full code on Code Review
 
no point in asking questions here sorry
 
@learner I'm sorry that you feel that way. SO is very strict. While most beginners (incl. me) felt the same, they going to value that strictness later on when they seek definite solutions and receive them instead of tons of unusable opinion-based answers.
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7:29 AM
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null (requester retracted close vote)
 
7:39 AM
@SmokeDetector same objection to the message as before. The issue can be like 99% fixed by simply regexing for characters in the hiragana and katakana ranges before considering the unified-cjk-ideograph range. detecting "japanese" rather than "chinese" text is useful because ja.so exists.
 
@tacoshy they might be asking how to write such a plugin? I inquired below the question.
@KarlKnechtel as in, it should consider both ranges?
 
presumably the same regex can deal with hiragana and katakana
 
(unfortunately I cannot recall how Unicode handles the common characters between Japanese and Chinese)
also why do you say that it's useful because ja.so exists?
 
because people going to cast close votes can have the information that a [ja.so] link in the comments is useful, for people who don't recognize the difference at a glance like I do.
it should be easy enough using unicode categories in regex e.g. per stackoverflow.com/questions/10809176
the common characters have common Unicode code points, and are in the same range together ("unified cjk ideograph"). There are some such characters that are not used in both languages, but this is mostly irrelevant
 
oh, as in it should say "Chinese" if there are no hiragana/katakana, and "Japanese" if there are?
that's probably feasible
 
7:44 AM
because no Chinese language or dialect uses hiragana or katakana characters, and in Japanese it is effectively impossible to say more than the name of an organization without either hiragana or katakana.
yes, exactly that.
 
also, probably better to discuss in Charcoal HQ - there's a lot of overlap in membership but you'll still get a more Charcoal-centric audience
You could also raise a GitHub issue so it doesn't get lost
 
thanks
 
8:00 AM
@RyanM except - and we have been over this before - renaming a rule in metasmoke is problematic because they are keyed by name
 
@KarlKnechtel Stacks Editor-related issues aside, it is somewhat surprising that people miss this warning. Perhaps you should have to acknowledge it before you can post.
@tripleee yeah, my thought offhand would be that "Japanese" would be a new rule with its own weight (while "Chinese" remains), and they'd gradually correct the weights for each rule over time
but yes agreed that renaming is not especially feasible, in particular due to it being part of the why: text
 
8:16 AM
Is this salvageable or NAA? It seems to me that the answering part may just be a repetition of the accepted answer (pytorch question).
 
that looks extremely NAA to me
 
thanks
 
editing it down to the actually answering part would be completely changing the spirit (which is to ask another question, contra how the site works) and this answerer absolutely needs to have the site workings explained.
the answering part of the content does seem to have the same answer in mind, but I expect it would be accepted as a rephrasing :/
(contra my personal view on how it ought to work)
@RyanM nobody reads EULAs
you need to make people check off "I have read" boxes, and maybe even quiz them
 
8:36 AM
stackoverflow.com/questions/75880833/… was proposed as a duplicate but contains a useful reply which is not covered in the answers to the duplicate ... should I go ahead an accept the duplicate nomination, then propose to merge? Can we expect a mod to figure out how to adapt the answer for the duplicate question?
 
@tripleee I'd merge that if you think you could adapt the answer.
 
thanks, let's do that
no need to mod flag?
 
@tripleee done
 
thanks, I'll get to it
 
thanks!
 
8:55 AM
@tacoshy the asker confirmed they're not actually looking for an existing plugin, so I'm going to bin this:
@RyanM: well, I would welcome existing solution, but asking for such recommendation is against stackoverflow guidelines.. — Liero 13 mins ago
 
@Jonas Isn't that already on the correct site (not on Stack Overflow)?
 
@StephenOstermiller looks like it is migrated now, yes.
 
 
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10:08 AM
 
jps
10:28 AM
another beautiful Screenshot of the day candidate.
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@jps That's certainly dark.
 
jps
and blurry
 
Is that a picture of rene at night?
 
@jps you know, I start to get the impression that users of the least "technical" Stack sites would actually be the best overall at following SO's posting guidelines.
I can't fathom someone going to cooking.SE and posting a picture of a collapsed souffle through an oven door with just "please help"
 
jps
10:43 AM
Please cooking experts help me urgently, recipe not working, guests come soon.
 
jps
@RyanM but then I wonder how you could post a [mre] on cooking.se ;)
 
@jps like, an army ration?
@RyanM I looked for leeks but the base of the pot was intact as far as I could tell. but it still boiled over, help
 
10:58 AM
oh well played, I missed the MRE joke...
 
11:13 AM
Sanity Check: have I unfairly closed this page? If so, I am not too proud to unhammer. stackoverflow.com/q/75842644/2943403
 
11:34 AM
Is this possibly spam? The upvote also looks suspicious.
 
11:52 AM
Morning
 
12:39 PM
perhaps also delete the above question?
 
1:37 PM
Is this just a long comment?
 
@GeneralGrievance It sort of kind of addresses OP's question but I think it should be edited to be sure. I'll see if I can't make it a little easier to discern
 
@GeneralGrievance The Want to find out if two locations are within X kilometers of one another… pick an appropriate resolution, find the h3index of both, then get the grid disk of one of those. If the other is in that list of ids, then it’s in a neighboring cell, so within X km part is enough for me to be considered an answer.
 
@GeneralGrievance Looks at least like a partial answer. Doesn't look anything like a comment.
 
OK. Thanks.
 
it is edited now so hopefully easier to understand
 
1:44 PM
So much better. Thanks.
 
2:43 PM
@RyanM unfortunately, the author of that answer is unhappy about the merge ... should it be undone, or something else perhaps?
 
Can merging be undone? I though that was a one way process
 
CMs have an unmerge option. I suspect it's just simply a "move answers between questions" tool
 
They do?
I thought it could only be done at the database level
 
Tim Post said they did. He also said he was scared to use said power
 
do you have a link?
 
2:59 PM
@Dharman Bleh. I went digging and I think he said it in the temporary MSE TL room. Which got deleted.
 
I mean "nothing to do with the one I answered" is a wild exaggeration. The issue is, in both cases, newlines in the middle of a JSON string. But that solution does indeed rely on the fact that the spurious newlines are also the only newlines in the whole JSON document. It's...actually not really a very good solution to most people having that issue.
So...I dunno. Ideas welcome.
(incidentally, this is why mods are generally suuuper leery of merges and rely pretty heavily on SMEs confirming it, because we can miss subtleties like that)
 
3:19 PM
ugh, too many pending edits, wut
Oh, it's locked
yay bugs
 
The pending edit check taking precedence over the lock check is certainly a choice
 
It also takes precedence over the "are you banned from suggesting edits" check, but in a different, worse way.
 
@RyanM It's a different scenario but the root cause (newlines) is the exact same. So I agree with you that "nothing to do with the one I answered" is completely untrue. That being said, oguz' answer is specifically tailored to the input of the now-merged question.
The solution here would be to edit oguz' answer to remove any part of the solution that is specific to the merged question
 
@RyanM Yikes
 
That would make it no longer simply completely copyable in a "fire and forget way", so I can understand oguz not wanting to 'harm' it in that way (even though the question it answers is "not around" anymore, so the harm is arguably a moot point).
 
3:23 PM
Solution to your edit ban: Have a tab with the edit window open on every single SO post and tag wiki.
 
I'd probably suggest editing it to say something like "If the newlines in the middle of the string are the only newlines in the document, such as:
{    "words" : "one two
    three four five"}
then..."
 
Yeah, unfortunately I can't suggest a meaningful content edit as I have no experience with JSON.
I use a proper object notation language
I don't see a way to edit the answer though in a way that it provides any new content compared to the existing answers.
The question should probably have just been dupe-hammered and deleted instead of merged.
 
I made the edit I suggested above. I tested the code and it does work
 
sigh 1.7K user: In order to avoid polluting this with code, I let you here a "full picture" of the code in compiler explorer, that will include all the definitions required for fully understand the picture, but maybe some avid reader is able to spot the error at first glance.
 
@NathanOliver In order to avoid polluting this site with bad questions, I have left this question closed and included a banner explaining why it was closed. An avid reader may be able to spot the reason it was closed at first glance.
 
3:37 PM
lol
 
@TylerH @tripleee I have binned this as invalid because you used close vote reasons for deletion requests. You may re-request if you provide valid deletion reasons for them.
 
Wouldn't a post remaining a long time after closure be a valid delete reason?
 
No?
As far as I am aware the site does not have a policy of deleting questions purely based on age.
We allow deletion of old closed content here but one needs to use a valid reason. Otherwise it can be said we're supporting not just closure of any question, but also the immediate deletion of it simply because it's close-worthy.
 
@RyanM Isn't that what the roomba handles?
 
err. I forgot an extremely important word in that sentence. Let me try that again.
Wouldn't a post remaining unclear a long time after closure be a valid delete reason?
That is, it was unclear, so it was closed to allow that to be fixed, but it was not, and it's still unclear.
 
3:52 PM
@mickmackusa I think it is fairly closed. The question as stands is the same problem (Q: how to merge arrays? A: Usearray_merge()), but it does need more detail even if it were not a duplicate. So it should not be reopened in its current state otherwise it would just be close-worthy as 'needs details'
 
I'm a bit baffled; I see many del-pls with common close reasons in chat.stackoverflow.com/search?q=tagged%2Fdel-pls&room=90230
 
@RyanM Sure, but you need to use a valid reason. We have never discussed as a room whether to make an exception here for whether close reasons are valid to use for del-pls requests if the question is older than some arbitrary date. So, by default it is not allowed.
@tripleee Unfortunately I don't manage to see all delete-pls requests that come through the room, so I am unable to monitor them all for invalid reasons.
But like the rule for questions on Stack Overflow, "this old/previous question did the same thing" is not a valid argument for a new instance of something that isn't allowed
 
so then what are valid reasons? The FAQ only talks about "this is really bad"
 
but since I see two main offenders in that list you linked, I'll go ahead and ping-remind @JeanneDark and @DalijaPrasnikar to please use valid del-pls reasons (not close reasons) when posting del-pls requests here.
 
I post del-pls requests for posts I think are really obviously delete-worthy.
 
3:59 PM
@tripleee the valid criterion are, I believe, left vague intentionally, but we regularly accept things like "no value" and "nth duplicate" (which do have some overlap)
 
@TylerH How is "nth duplicate" a better reason than "ancient typo" or "ancient recommendation" (with bunch of link-only answers)?
 
I don't recall off the top of my head how enforcement has always been carried out in the past, or how different ROs have varied in their enforcement, but I do know we have drawn criticism from moderators in the past for allowing del-pls requests for some dubious reasons
@JeanneDark see the parenthetical in my chat message immediately above yours
@TylerH In fact, in recent history, at least one moderator has threatened to close and delete the entire SOCVR chatroom unilaterally because they didn't like the kinds of del-pls reasons we were allowing in the room.
 
@TylerH "nth duplicate" doesn't say anything about the quality of the duplicate from the del-pls request, maybe the n-1 other duplicates should be deleted instead
 
@JeanneDark Nth duplicate indicates little to no value
 
Not sure about that
 
4:04 PM
If there are so many duplicates that it is not worth counting the number of duplicates, the likelihood of this new one being useful is minimal and the onus should not be on the requestor to preemptively defend the deletion request (nor is it practical given the limitations of chat, e.g. text limits) in that regard
Personally, I appreciate context, and I know there is practically no difference between an "unclear" del-pls request for an unclear question that's been closed for 5 years as unclear, and a "no value" del-pls request for the same question. However, the bottom line is that, because I don't personally have the power to defend the room against Meta or moderators who take issue with the room, I have a responsibility as an RO to guard it against such actions.
Thus I think it is not asking very much to request that people use a different, equally valid (in practicality) reason for del-pls requests, if that satisfies the parties that might be the room's undoing.
 
@TylerH On MSO?
 
A close reason is also a reason for deletion.
 
@JeanneDark no
 
@TylerH In this room?
 
@JeanneDark Yes
@TylerH I binned this because, while it is about an action that was discussed in the room, it is both quite rude and also requesting action that should be done through either a moderator flag or a help request on the site's contact-us form. cc @oguzismail
 
4:25 PM
@TylerH I must have completely missed that discussion. I remember ones about quick deletions and deletions of duplicates, but not reading such a strong threat. You have a link to the chat message by any chance?
 
is that more useful, or still too subjective?
 
I'd leave out "no effort"
 
That's not really a reason to close or delete; deletion is a question of whether it's useful and/or harmful
Which the rest of the reasons address
 
this one now has "roomba: 0 days" so I guess it will be gone by virtue of receiving additional downvotes?
 
4:32 PM
@tripleee roomba forecaster confirms that
 
thanks
 
4:54 PM
@Machavity Thanks! I don't know for sure but I have the feeling that Cody handles half of my del-pls requests.
 
5:51 PM
> gotcha, just for clarity so when editing the code you always have to compile after?
^ question
 
lol
 
Fair question. You don't have to compile. But then your changes won't matter.
 
Putting the "c" in "script"
 
6:34 PM
@tripleee previous discussion aside, this post unfortunately taught me such a thing as postfix notation exists. Now I will have nightmares that people actually use that thing
 
6:46 PM
@TylerH Makes parsing expression really easy: 1, 1, +, 2, * you can pop them off a stack into a temporary stack. Once you reach an operator you apply it to the temporary stack.
 
@VLAZ I am not familiar with the term stack as you are using it here, though I did see it when I googled postfix notation.
Is it just a type of array or something?
 
Basically. It's commonly implemented backed by array. A stack is a last-in-first-out data structure and defines two operations with common names of push which adds to the stack and pop which removes the most recently added. Which works as an actual stack of items and you can only work with what's "on top".
 
@VLAZ Makes sense, so it is designed as an array or collection intended for 'queue'-based operations
hmm, wait, LIFO is not how queues typically work
normally they are FIFO
 
queues are another data structure which is first-in-first-out. So, like an actual queue of people.
 
I should probably have taken a computer science course in college
 
6:56 PM
stacks are for sequential processing of stuff. With 1, 1, + , 2, * you'd pop off 1, then another 1, then a + and apply it immediately to the previous two. You get a 2 which you can put back on the stack to get 2, 2, * and thus continue processing using the same algorithm.
So, with a stack you can feed the result back into the stack. Plays really well with evaluating expressions by just getting enough operands to evaluate one, do it, then just do the same thing over and over until the stack empties.
 
queue == waiting in line in a queue ;) stack == the stack of plates at a buffet.
 
@NathanOliver the poor plate at the bottom never leaves the stack :-(
@VLAZ And is this easier to implement/faster to process in languages than traditional PEMDAS operations?
 
It's how you'd implement PEMDAS if all you had was code and no rules for how to evaluate mathematical expressions.
 
I'm just wondering why it is a thing other than "it's something other than PEMDAS"
@VLAZ Gotcha, I was kind of wondering that, e.g. "this is how languages actually implement math"
so most languages use this method internally and convert traditional operations to that format based on human-understood mathematical rules?
 
@TylerH It's how a lot programs turn PEDMAS into something they can actually work with. Convert the expression to revers polish notation and then push that into a stack. Makes doing that actual calculation as simple as popping the stack and doing the things.
 
7:02 PM
Historically was RPN a thing before programming languages? Or was it invented for this by someone who happened to be Polish
 
Either that or the other option is representing the expression as an abstract syntax tree. Where nodes are operators and leaf nodes are operands. It's also easy to handle. Depends on how you want to go about it.
You can search for "reverse polish notation" for more on it. It was actually a maths thing before it entered compsci. TBH, I'm not sure why it was used there.
lol, didn't even see Nathan mentioned RPN and Tyler asked for the history
 
:)
@TylerH pretty sure it came about thinking about computing, but "computers" were people when it was "invented"
 
@VLAZ Looks like the inventor, Lukasiewicz, was looking for a bracket-free notation style
for logical calculations
@NathanOliver Yes, I know :-) I was referring to traditional modern computing (e.g. mainframes and onward)
 
BTW, if you want to learn C++, The creator of C++ goes into how to build an expression calculator in his book and you get introduced to RPN, the shunting yard algorithm and stacks ;)
 
"If you want to learn C++" doing a lot of heavy lifting there :-P
I'd love to know C++ but I would not love to learn C++. Mostly because I already have enough programming books I have not read yet...
 
ROFL
 
That reminds me, I wish SO's blog would do more entries like the C++ one they did with Bjarne
where the inventor of a language sits down and provides answers to some of the most popular (by score) questions in that tag on the site
 
Oh. neat, I missed that. I should check that out.
 
@NathanOliver It's here: stackoverflow.blog/2019/10/11/…
 
I tend to avoid it a lot as half of it seems like thinly veiled advertisements. Just the other day they were pushing crypto :(
 
7:11 PM
But IIRC his answer to like 3 of them was basically "this question makes no sense so I won't answer it"
 
thanks for the link
 
@TylerH my requests are generally for non programming questions or resource requests with link only answers, occasionally opinion based question. What would be appropriate valid reason for those if not the close reason which makes them off-topic for the site?
 
@DalijaPrasnikar We had a brief discussion after my message that pinged you, and we're discussing what to do specifically in the RO back room, but the gist of it is that we'll start accepting reasons very similar, if not identical, to close reasons for deletion requests
(and the FAQ will be updated to include more guidance, including some or all of these reasons)
 
7:41 PM
@TylerH Thanks for the info.
 
8:14 PM
@H.berg We don't permit requests on posts that you are involved with. You may ask questions about the post (such as if it looks improved) directed at the room as a whole, but please don't ping individual users to request action.
 
That being said, the edits do resolve my concerns about clarity. That being said, a question doesn't need to be open for you to comment on it or on any answers to it, @H.berg
 
@TylerH oh you right! Sorry!
 
and now it's reopened. yay teamwork
 
@TylerH binning, OP provided clarity
 
8:30 PM
@TylerH also cc @DalijaPrasnikar (re: stackoverflow.com/questions/75890053/…)
 
9:01 PM
I wrote an MSO answer today \o/
 
9:12 PM
@NathanOliver nerd
 
@TylerH Hey, I resemble that remark!!!
 
@NathanOliver :-)
 
@Jonas, @TylerH, @aynber: A question that you have closed is being discussed on meta just now.
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels thanks
 
9:28 PM
Second opinion please: Suspected ChatGPT copy-pasta @ stackoverflow.com/a/75892903/2943403 See the GPT response screenshot. On second thought, this is a slamdunk based on the snippet alone -- with the inline comments.
 
@RyanM Thanks! Retracted.
 
@mickmackusa Shouldn't this be handled with a custom moderator custom, not in this room?
 
It may also be appropriate in the "AI Domination" chatroom.
 
I was hesitant. Then I felt better about it. I have since flagged.
 
@mickmackusa removing the code block the GPT-2 detector give a 99.86% fake
 
9:32 PM
@jmoerdyk I haven't heard of that. Thanks.
 
I don't remember if I was invited to the AI room. I vaguely recall asking to join long ago.
 
@mickmackusa it says you have access
 
I think it's OK to ask if a post is chatgpt-generated here, given it's a site-wide policy to not allow it. We support questions about site curation/moderation here
 
but yeah I'm gonna say that's ChatGPT
 
9:35 PM
If someone plans to make it a regular habit, though, I would recommend a different venue, perhaps
 
even as one of the more indecisive moderators about handling ChatGPT stuff...it's ChatGPT.
@TylerH +1 yeah the private rooms are good for that sort of thing
can discuss user behavior without publicly calling them out
 
Of course, it's tricky to recommend private rooms when not everyone is aware of said rooms... :-)
I was not aware of said AI Domination room, for example, so I wouldn't have been able to recommend it
 
Dec 4, 2022 at 19:21, by Makyen
AI Domination a private room to discuss the inappropriate automatically-generated content. If you want to participate, feel free to request access by clicking on the link and then the "request access" button.
 
Indeed... well, since we're on the topic... anyone want in?
 
9:39 PM
@HovercraftFullOfEels you apparently also already have access
or someone else is a really fast ninja and added you before I managed to pull up the access list
 
(also while we're giving out private room invites, we've got one for regular ol' plagiarism as well, if anyone is interested in that)
that being the room that, uh, flooded the custom flag queue so badly that we needed a new flag type
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very inconvenient success, that
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels thanks
 
 
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11:22 PM
stackoverflow.com/a/54855510 - does this have enough information to be a useful answer to the question, or is it link-only?
 
The link says almost exactly what the answer says. So...?
 
hmmm. so it does.
is the link also link-only?
(really I have no idea; it may be perfectly clear to react users how to fork react-scripts based on that alone, hence asking instead of deleting)
 
The answer is "fork react-scripts instead of ejecting" which is... an answer (one even explicitly recommended by the documentation). Though the value in that answer is questionable IMO.
 
fair enough.
 

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