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@KenWhite that one could have used a migration
@miken32 You're right. Cast the CV too quickly, and couldn't change it. Shouldn't review posts while eating dinner.
00:15
@KenWhite not about programming I would have thought
@Nick It's asking for a comparison/recommendation of one of the two products or projects. Not familiar with either of them myself, so I don't know if it's programming-related.
@KenWhite they're hardware architectures
@Nick Now I know. :-) I thought the X86 was something product-specific, not the CPU-related X86. I should have looked into the tags.
00:31
end result was the same so all good
 
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06:04
Morning
what is going on
when I look at the top 20 Python questions right now
almost all of them is about Cypress
even by different people lol
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06:44
Thank you for reviewing 40 suggested edits today; come back in 17 hours to continue reviewing. Let's Gooooo!
3 day streak
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07:14
damnit
jps on it again
@jps I should've searched for a damn dupe
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For questions about basic concepts, it's quite likely that they have been asked and hopefully also been answered before
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@jps You're absolutely right and I should've thought of that
Did I make this stupidly long (if much prettier)?
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wow that's a question lol
wondering if I should roll back the edit...
harder to read but most of the tables disappear into a code box
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07:26
takes half an hour to scroll lol
insane
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@Nick I wonder if it's necessary to show all the tables to explain the idea. Wouldn't 2 or 3 be enough?
@jps I think so but I don't want to remove any of OPs original material.
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@Nick then just write a comment, saying that this is too much and should be reduced to a minimum necessary amount.
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@jps Since I've not managed to get a single flag correct this morning, is this no mcve? stackoverflow.com/questions/77583609/…
@jps have done so. They've got an answer anyway so I guess someone managed to comprehend it all :)
@Cow needs more focus/details I would say
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07:31
ok thanks
rofl
wrong again
I should get an award from being wrong all the time
out of curiosity, can you see what others have voted when you reach 3k reps?
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not so much. This was quite vague question and different flags/close reasons apply here. Some code would have helped as well.
@Cow Yes, you can
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thank god for that, then there's a little hope I wont get nuked by mods whenever I get so far
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@Cow not exactly. We can't see any flags (e.g. yours), and as long as there are only two votes, we can see that two people voted (maybe for two different things), but can't see who voted what if it's different. At the end, we can see the 3 close voters and one close reason. Only mods see the details.
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oh no
rip me
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07:39
@Cow ??? What do you mean?
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No I mean, It would be easier for me to determine the correct close reason if I could see what others have voted on
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@Vega Ah that's what I meant, thanks for sharing
Now I'm more confident
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@Cow maybe you misunderstood my answer then? In the recent case I could see one vote for "needs details" and one for "needs focus" (only real close votes, no flags). But I can't see who voted what.
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yeah ok, I misunderstood
07:43
@Cow welcome
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<3
@Vega @Cow already posted...
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hoho
hehehe
@Nick Oh, oops, got ninjaed?
happens to the best of us, and even me on occasion :)
07:46
Wait but it was documentation request, except not on the good site
@Nick thanks for the compliment :)
:)
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hehe
I got my Deputy badge on meta.se today :)
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congrats!
they get a lot of spam... what surprises me is that we don't get so much on meta.so
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07:53
@Cow @tripleee once gave me a link with a list of Python canonicals that can be used as dupe targets. But right now I can't find it :(
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@jps tripleee is a god of flagging
@Cow thanks
congrats from me too
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@Vega That's pretty cool, thanks
07:57
welcome
@Vega thanks
:)
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25 more edits and I get my Gold Copy Editor :D
taken forever
^ please flag as r/a
@Cow awesome!
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:)
08:01
:56899735 that title sounded like that typical GenAI spam that's plaguing the Python tag. The rest though ... >.<
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yeah lol
looks like the bot puked
after the title
man, when you've seen a pixel error on your monitor, you see it all the time
@jps I guess that would be sopython.com/questions
there is also @KarlKnechtel's chat room for discussing canonicals, somewhat divorced from the above effort - I haven't visited in a few months but he is very active and so I guess the room will be too
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@tripleee 404 Not Found
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@tripleee thank you so much
I gotta run, job just same in
08:17
oh Vega already linked to the room
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@tripleee thanks :)
Hmm... I feel someone is going thru all new questions and upvoting all
09:35
Is this OK? This user has posted several answers linking to their own GitHub without mentioning it's theirs. Seems to be a case of a user finding a question and answering it off-site, linking to their page. Original.
Now, they're A) finding old posts to dump the same repository on (at least with the relevant code within the question, but still unattributed) and B) it's still the case that they answer it off-site first. The latter isn't a problem IIRC, as long as the answer is self-contained and the attributed link posted as reference. Is it a problem though, that they are doing this more often?
@Adriaan See the (canned) comment I added to the first link you gave. Especially the bits about "excessive promotion" and "overt self-promotion".
@AdrianMole that's more or less equal to the comment I left on the original. Didn't work as evidenced
At 3 posts, they're probably OK, but could be good to monitor. Maybe raise it in CharcoalHQ.
@Adriaan Maybe it's time to leave a comment to the mods.
@VLAZ thanks; left a custom flag detailing me concerns
09:50
@user12002570 It is about a programming environment. It looks on-topic to me.
Is this essentially a "Me too" NAA? Recommending to use a Linux or Windows machine to address a macOS-specific issue isn't really an answer, IMHO.
10:11
@StephenOstermiller " Avast's CyberSecure" is not a programming environment. There may be 1000s of problems/program like this on one's pc that might have effects like this. This has nothing to do with the code shown or vs code which is a programming environment.
@user12002570 It is a problem you only encounter while programming
@karel I choose "primarily opinion based"
10:29
@user12002570 A bit concerning that a user with 11k rep posts an answer that starts with, "Your question is offtopic here but..."
@StephenOstermiller Oops! I meant to reply to this one.
10:45
@tripleee close and 20k delete at least. I'm not sure about a red flag
yeah, it's iffy but I'm imagining this is part of the current onslaught of weird sabotage
10:59
@tripleee Might be different but still "sabotage". Checked the user's profile and sounds weird but different kind of weird than the current low quality questions that are at least somewhat about programming.
> I am a retired network, computer support and have discovered many discrepancies throughout history starting approximately 23,000 BC.
It then goes on about history.
I think Windows XP dates back to circa 23,000 BC.
Or was that Windows ME?
Is Should I redirect to another URL or return another component? ok and on-topic, POB or can/should it be edited to sound less like being POB?
@Adriaan hard to see how it could not be POB
 
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12:18
Is this question closable as "Seeking recommendations"? Most of the answers are just links to off-site resources but there are one or two that do actually show some code.
12:28
@AdrianMole It is asking for plug-ins. So, yes Closable even if some of the answers are providing code.
It is likely to attract spam and poor-quality link-only answers in perpetuity.
@StephenOstermiller But could it be edited to remove the explicit reference to plug-ins and tutorials?
Which would invalidate many answers
So not appropriate so many years later
Or I guess only if we deleted all the answers with recommendations. Would require a moderator though because so many are upvoted.
@AdrianMole That user is familiar to me, also active on Webmasters. But we don't moderate users here.
So, apparently if you VTC as a duplicate and then the target gets deleted, your close vote is removed. Which makes sense, however it's inconvenient when trying to close a question which a user reposted against the original question.
@StephenOstermiller Some even provide strong text
@VLAZ That is some high quality strong text
13:03
Do we flag such poo as spam by now, given the similar provenance?
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13:30
@Adriaan My experience from last year is, that it only lasted for about 2-3 weeks. After that the tutor said, "now that all of you are question-banned on SO, we can start working on our course."
I wonder how it stacks up against the "ugly non-professional university"?
@HovercraftFullOfEels We don't get any garbage coming from there. Not sure if that would influence the ranking.
@VLAZ: ah, got it. Lesson learned: looks and title aren't everything.
Or maybe all students of the ugly non-professional university are so ashamed of the looks and amateurishness of their establishment that they don't advertise it.
@jps That's still 2-3 weeks of crap incoming. Might warrant a blanket IP ban on the institute
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13:37
sounds like a plan :)
if (user.location.startsWithIgnoreCase("lovely")) {
  sendBoxWithBeesTo(user);
}
@Machavity Should have thought about that before a) joining the Lovely Professional University and posting nonsense on SO b) being Nicolas Cage. In both cases, it's your own fault! /s
13:57
@VLAZ what if you're nicolas cage and enrolled at LPU?
14:12
Is this abuse? No question text, just a copy of the wizard
@Adriaan One hypothesis goes that the universe explodes into bees. It's known as the Bee Bang. Nobody has tested this so far just in case it's true.
@Adriaan I'm not sure. I just delvoted. But I can tell you it's lovely
@VLAZ blanket IP ban!
OK, ok, I'll go spam flag them all
14:28
@Adriaan flag the spam-seed question as well
@HovercraftFullOfEels all of their answers use that library, with not even half attributed. They do have 2 (or 3) questions separate from this entire thing, the others are spam seeds. I've spam flagged the lot
Mod currently vacuuming away at them,
14:43
Could this be an AI generated answer? stackoverflow.com/a/77585211/584518. The contents are quite random and pretty much 100% incorrect.
If it's not AI generated this it's incredibly low quality...
@Lundin Possible. However, the last two paragraphs are definitely not. The rest might be stripped down version of AI generated content (I'd expect it to be a lot more verbose). Or it could just be wrong, too.
But the last part is just random hallucinations... it is blatantly incorrect and also irrelevant.
15:16
@Dharman It's a cloud hosting tool question, not a programming question
I think it is far too terrible to be AI-generated. Aside from the hallucinations, the grammar is really poor.
@AdrianMole Most AI generated posts I've seen are terrible. But yeah indeed they tend to have flawless English at least.
It would be a very bad LLM that somehow 'thought' that !0 = -1 in C.
(But I suppose, in a warped universe, you could argue that, for an 8-bit unsigned integer, ~0 = 255.)
Ok well... maybe we should delete vote it anyway. I really don't like it when someone posts crap like that to old, upvoted posts. The question is from 2011...
Fortunately, I have only reviewed 20 LQAs today, so I still have some delete votes left.
15:25
@Lundin LLMs don't try to express opinions like "I prefer people simply write 0 for false". They might provide some guidance but it'd be pained with a lot more weasel words and generalisms. Perhaps "Some believe that writing 0 for false is preferable".
Deleted. I smacked on a protection on the question too.
So, that part is what a human has written.
@VLAZ So you say, but that's exactly what a LLM would say as well.
15:41
@StephenOstermiller This is bizarre spam...
OK, maybe not that strong but unusual. Advertising to get a specific domain name.
16:04
🚽
@Catija o/
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18:38
Evening
OK, looking at the code - probably not dangerous. I assume it's some sort of gateway for the file, since it appears to be an HTML page that says you need to log in. The user probably needed to follow the link and enter credentials but just clicked "download" instead. With that said, where they found that is totally NSFW and inappropriate.
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19:17
what's the appropriate action when a user answers the same question over and over? And when there's evidence that they are doing so knowing about the other thread and have recorded links to the dupe target(s). There is this question that I just dupe-hammered, then landed on a github issue, which the same user listed multiple questions with the same problem as evidence that the issue needs to be addressed by the caretakers of the package. Yet, they provided an answer to each and every one of them
This is different from this meta post: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/357021/… the assumption there is that the users may know of the duplicates but do not necessarily have a link to them, and that the question/issue would be the same, but the implementation may need some variation.
@M--: I would think that a custom mod flag, one that adds links to multiple dupe examples, would be the best approach.
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I thought so, but is answering dupes a punishable offense?
@M-- Some people literally got thousands of rep doing that. So, sadly not.
@M--: I don't think that we're looking for punishment, just a private message letting them know not to do this.
@M--: If I were a moderator, I'd warn them not to do this, but if it kept happening, then I would punish them. Fortunately for the site, I'm not a moderator.
Of course you can try if you have strong evidence. Most people who answer dupes (whenever I've seen one discuss why they do so) seem to not want to bother at all with searching.
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19:24
yeah, I didn't mean "punishable" like suspension. Is a message from mods warranted? I have never heard of that happening before.
I guess try it and if you get a message to not flag any more, you'd know. Otherwise...you wouldn't know what the mods did.
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I heard the mod flag queue 2 or 3 days ago was over 5.4K long
might take a while for them to see it
It's not THAT much. Pre-strike and pre-queue reduction it was something like 10k+
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yup, that too. I have pending flags from before the strike.
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Oh ok, I think it was Blackgreen who said it
said = wrote
19:26
Never trust the word of somebody who can't decide between black and green. We need people who are ready to take a firm stance between these two colours!
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granted they are plagiarism/AI flags on already deleted posts, but still
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@VLAZ haha
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@VLAZ we needed that school of thought when we were voting :D
[feature-request] choose between black and green
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[feature-demand]?
19:28
[feature-strike] until the choice is made
@M-- Users who do this (that is, posting answers to questions they know are dupes - or should know) aren't actually breaking any rules, so mod flags are not appropriate. The recommended action is (IMHO) to downvote their answer(s), and/or add a comment linking their previous answers to similar questions.
I've called folks out for doing so, in the past but, generally, they just carry on with the rep-hoarding: it takes 8 downvotes to cancel out the rep from an accepted answer (10 if the OP can cast an upvote).
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yea, that's basically what I did
19:45
@AdrianMole Yeah, it's not worth it. Most just don't respond and continue. If they do respond it's something like "It takes me less time to write the answer than to find it" which...is true. But that's only because they themselves (and others) made it that way.
There are users who when I see they've answered I know for sure the question is a duplicate. Because apparently they only post things they know about. From answering hundreds of times.
@AdrianMole Sometimes the answerers link themselves to their own posts (instead of hummering!) :/
oy vey
And there is at least one I see who occasionally uses a hammer...linking to questions they've answered.
Today I left a comment under one, which referenced the dup which in its turn referenced an other ...
All from the gold badger
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lol omg
19:50
I once posted a comment on an answer (it was a good answer), linking a search that revealed they had posted near identical answers ~10 time before. But they carry on doing the same.
@AdrianMole Maybe searching their memory for something 10 minutes in the past was too hard.
And Zoe (who has a diamond, and did so at the time) once posted a similar link to 200+ answers from the same users to the 'same' question.
omg...
200, assuming 50% got 1 upvote, is 1000 rep.
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thanks guys for the reputation hacks, now I know what to do Kappa
19:53
It's not so much upvotes but the +15 rep for the "accept".
Trouble is, SO has (in some ways) become a victim of its own success: There are places and companies who consider SO reputation points as currency, in terms of CVs and job applications.
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that's very true
@AdrianMole even joel spolsky himself back in 2012 or so mentioned he would instantly hire anyone with 10k rep on Stack Overflow
Yeah, I've seen people trying to defend rep-farming with something along those lines.
And I've seen Meta posts where users who have "lost points" through 'investigative actions by staff' have complained that their global nett worth has been unfairly damaged.
geez
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19:58
:o
One of the reasons that I don't want to be a mod is that I would instantly suspend users who make such complaints.
:)
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Yeah I would never be a mod either, having that responsibility
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I'm too old for that shiz
I don't have time for it. I barely have time for anything at all
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20:01
@aynber are you sure you have time to be here right now!? :D
see, he's not here
What? I'm not here. Who are you saying isn't here?
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just talking to myself
20:18
@Cow Kinda yes, kinda no. Things I should be doing, things I can't be doing
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@aynber Was just kidding :)
haha
Yeah... That post is trolling at so many levels I'm not even sure where to start.
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@jmoerdyk 100%
@jmoerdyk Nice find!
@Cow thanks, couldn't decide if spam or just a really bad link only...
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20:23
the way they wrote it made it spam for sure
@jmoerdyk Also 24K flags wtf, you are awesome dude! lol
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those stats
I guess it's a Telegram link? blocked by content filter here
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yeah it's virus
ran it on the virtual machine
it crashed
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@AdrianMole talking about self-control :D
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oh it was just unstable, the vm
@M-- I actually have a reasonable level of self-control; I just don't want to put that to the test, by being offered powers such as that wielded by moderators. :)
All power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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@Adriaan OP edited Q.
@AdrianMole And moderator power corrupts moderately.
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BTW: I have no problem with the existing moderator team. I have huge respect for what they (try to) do, and I will happily defend them when their (reasonable) actions are ranted against in Meta posts.
A nightmare scenario would be having no active mods on SO.
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Yeah I deeply respect people who can do what they do
20:33
@AdrianMole that's about what it was like during the mod strike
although I think there were one or two mods still handling some flags
Well, yeah.
For me, it was "all too easy" (Darth Vader voice) to abuse the 'powers' I gained as my reputation steadily increased. Since I reach the 'cap', I have (or hoped to have) reigned-in my use of things like close- and delete-votes.
@AdrianMole hopefully it isn't so much a 'reigning in' as it is just affirming you truly know how to use them
otherwise it suggests you were abusing them early on when you got the privilege...
Much the same thing, in a way.
Alas, there seems to be a significant caucus of 'trusted users' who haven't (yet) experienced the "proper use" epiphany.
21:08
Can the under 3k OP see if there are any closing votes?
@Vega maybe-- at 250 you can see them on your own posts. Maybe it's included in the 1000 'see votes' privileges
It should be that rule, yes! Thank you
21:58
@Vega also it's accessible to anyone if you make the right API calls; there are userscripts that do it
22:19
@RyanM Ah, I see. Thank you @Ryan
What is the best way to confront a user who strongly disagrees with an explicitly stated text in our help pages? stackoverflow.com/questions/77581271/…
@mickmackusa Chuckle ? ;)
Sorry
...tempting
Meh, they can disagree all they want, but it's still policy
 
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23:31
@mickmackusa On a related note, is it particularly bad to give advice in the comments, where there might be a duplicate Q? I wonder if it is to be preferred to giving an answer.
@mickmackusa Well, if the closed question has no (not deleted) answer, then it will redirect to the dupe target, as it is supposed to.
Also note that the OP of the question can't delete it because it has an upvoted/accepted answer. (Though they can, of course, unaccept.)
it's worthwhile to comment on dupes in order to explain how the dupe applies to the specific example
but ideally it should not substantially repeat the answers there
23:51
I don't mind advisory comments if the user also voted to close. A common problem is when regular users who fully understand the problem, give a resolving comment, but don't bother to actually close/curate -- they just leave the work for someone else. I am equally irked by littering IRL.
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