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@Joshua Some users genuinely don't know not to pick a fight with a mod, or what the diamond means. I've found that a gentle comment under the post, before a mod spots it, can be helpful.
 
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05:56
Morning
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2016?
The question seems to have been from 2011, but I cannot see it.
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me neither low rep
why do you want to know?
Curiosity. Just curious why a 'useful' answer featured in an upvoted Metapost would be to a question that got deleted altogether.
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06:01
ah ok, that makes sense
and now I'm probably asking stupid, but the picture featured in the meta post, isn't that the question that was deleted?
That was an answer to the question, but now the entire question was removed for reasons of moderation.
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oh ok
@VLAZ Thanks. So looks like a software rec.
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I think that is off topic too
lots of reputation lost in the deletion though
maybe that's why people are angry
I just got a 32" new monitor last night, this text is so small
need binoculars
If I misspell, that's why
06:08
I am out of comment flags today
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flagged
98 flags left
@user16217248 dude, 2500+ flags, nice!
I blew all 100 of mine this night on a bunch of short 'thank you' comments.
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lol
@Cow Thanks, took a while though.
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yeah you're awesome, thank you so much for helping SO
06:12
You too, you've got 1.7K which is pretty good too.
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thanks man, but I'm low rep, so it's easy to just flag whatever others post
hehe
Most of my flags are 'post flags' but I am not sure if that's mostly close flags from before I got 3k, or VLQ flags for NAAs/link-only answers.
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yeah it counts the same, as far as I know
Yeah both go under 'post flags' and aside from manually counting them up (which I don't have the patience to do) I will never know how many of them are close flags, VLQ flags, NAA flags, mod flags, etc.
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@user16217248 Hehe, maybe someone out there wrote a script for summarizing user statistics, who knows
06:17
That would be nice.
But I do know all of my disputed post flags are close flags from reviewing Triage.
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haha
I stick to suggested edits
My favorite queue is Low quality answers.
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Yeah I tried it a few days ago, turns out the first two ones, were a test of my abilities and I passed, but it took way too much thinking lol
But I also review suggested edits, remembering the pain of not being able to submit edits due to a full queue, so I can maybe spare others that pain, as the reviewing will free up some edit slots.
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yeah that's why I do it too
I was told, that not many check that queue
06:22
Certainly not as many as there are editors trying to submit edits.
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exactly
Where do we stand on people translating text to English using Google translate? I want to reject it, but I dunnot what reason to pick
suggested edit
@Cow Pick other. And post a link to a Metapost. I'll try to find the right one.
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Cool
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Thank you so much or helping
06:31
Also meta.stackoverflow.com/q/291938/16886597 (Although it’s a dupe of the one above)
No prob
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06:46
yeah I already flagged that one @Nick it's a slow morning
Also, hope you are doing well
@Nick I've already CVed and flagged that (as Very low quality): chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/56895855
@user16217248 @Cow apologies I didn't see those. Should have checked first...
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I'm ok with it :D
It is slow... just the three of us here and I'm only a ring-in :)
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06:49
that linked BISP takes me to a weird site
cool
gone
Standby ION control
I noted it just disappeared. Looks like you were the last flagger.
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Fire!
@Cow you're brave clicking that link...
Indeed. I'm always afraid to click links in spam posts. I'm worried it might be a virus or something.
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@Nick I have some safe testing environments available at work
06:52
@Cow cool. I'm too paranoid to click most links on my personal device
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hehe yeah
I'd probably do it in a virtual box but I'm too lazy to fire up the virtual box just to click on a sketchy link.
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Thank you for reviewing 40 suggested edits today; come back in 17 hours to continue reviewing.
phew
@Cow good job!
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@user16217248 There's actually an online service, that can do this, I think Network Chuck posted about it a while back, but it cost money of course
@Nick <3
06:58
:)
@Cow You've inspired me.
Thank you for reviewing 40 low quality answers today; come back in 16 hours to continue reviewing.
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zomg!!
let's goo
I think the questions lead to opinions
In it's current form yes but I don't think it would be super hard to edit it to not be.
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Hm yeah, I'll let OP know
Ok I think you fixed that
@Cow it could potentially be answered with facts but it's too broad anyway
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07:13
potentially, but trust me, opinions will definitely be expressed!
Python vs JavaScript is the forbidden discussion lol
"Which language is best" is pretty much the very definition of opinion-based.
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yes
I was referring to your previous "Is this opinion based?" question...
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oooohh
sorry!!
didn't notice omg
You still think that is too broad after the questions where changed?
I actually think it looks ok tbh
@Cow My answer to that is are you making a website? JavaScript is best. Are you making an AI? Python is probably best. Anything else? I don't know which is better, probably neither.
07:16
@Cow Pfft, easy. Python cannot win ever. I mean, how does a snake defeat a whole system of writing that is based on coffee? Not possible.
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@VLAZ HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH
I think I could write essays about each of the three questions...
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strong argument
I rest my case @VLAZ
@Nick roger, I'll flag as Needs more focus
@user16217248 My education in 2002 was based on Javascript and while I think it's ok, I do like the syntax better in Python :)
Python is obviously better because it has one of the cooler programming language names. Whereas JavaScript is perhaps the worst programming language name ever, after brainf*.
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Coffee > all @Lundin
07:19
@Lundin But at least Java(Script) keeps people awake.
@Cow Thus Java > JavaScript since the script is for how to make the coffee but Java is the actual thing.
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hehe
And JavaScript is just a script. Tastes like paper. But Java is tastier.
But come on, Python was named after Monty Python.
@Lundin Now that would be cool.
07:25
@user16217248 Have you had coffee-soaked paper? It's worse than regular paper.
Then a complete Python install would be "The Full Monty" :)
@VLAZ But at least it'll keep you awake. Whereas regular paper (cellulose) has 0 nutritional value.
Is it python snakes who eat whole gnus then lie to digest for a month or so?
@Nick It also needs a flying circus. Maybe it should be some sort of cloud platform.
Also Python programs ought to start with It's...:
07:28
@Lundin Those should be if/else statements: It's x > 42 then followed by an optional And now for something completely different
Knowing my programs, it would be "And suddenly... nothing happened!"
Yes, someone needs to make an esoteric language out of it :)
Does this needs details or clarity?
@user16217248 it might not if the title was part of the question, I'm not familiar enough with r to know for sure
@user16217248 For me personally - I can't really make heads or tails of it. But I neither know R nor whatever any of the terms used there are. Presumably somebody who is familiar with the area can understand it much more easily.
Though it could be improved. Maybe by linking to the documentation or some information for that package. I don't know whether it's required, though.
07:40
That last one looks like a spam seed or something...
Definitely feels quite off...
Should we delete it just in case?
I see no reason not to
Should I flag it?
I'm against premature deletions of questions that can be improved. But this cannot be. There is nothing that can be done to make it on-topic.
07:42
@user16217248 Flagging won't help, it just needs delete votes.
It's not (yet) spam so we shouldn't flag. I cast a delete vote though.
Poster's profile says "A B-tech student studying in Lovely Professional University"
Their profile mentions " studying in Lovely Professional University". I've seen that specific phrase more often as of late
Maybe just trolling
@Lundin gone now
Or is it a real place? lpu.in
07:45
@Adriaan It's a real institution. At least I googled it and found a Wikipedia entry. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lovely_Professional_University
@Nick And I can even see it lol.
Lol that's just ridiculous! Only in India I guess
@VLAZ facepalm
Another 6354 and you'll always be able to see them :)
@Nick About a third of the way there.
07:47
I bet it's the students from Lovely Professional who keeps posting all those questions about the Borland Turbo C++ MS DOS compiler?
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08:14
@Adriaan I talked about that Lovely Professional University phenomenon yesterday, glad I'm not the only one noticing it.
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Maybe it's now the first time they let their first semester students use a computer and tell them, whatever thing you don't understand in the world, go to Stackoverflow and ask them, they're all lovely professionals and will certainly help you :)
@jps Might even be required as some sort of "media literacy" course. And they are required to post on SO. Or maybe just "on a well-known online platform" but lots gravitate towards SO.
@VLAZ this theory makes sense to me
after all, the #1 skill every programmer must have is how to Ctrl+C Ctrl+V from Stack Overflow
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@VLAZ last years course failed miserably and after two weeks, after we've taken out the garbage, none of them ever posted again
08:21
I've always wondered where to put "I can use a search engine effectively" on my CV...
I put it right below my name
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@Adriaan next to "I'm question banned on SO"
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which is followed by "chatGPT is so much nicer and knows all the answers"
Is this spam or VLQ? No obvious affiliation, unregistered user though
08:25
I know almost nobody who actually has an SO account other than me. All colleagues I've seen search for something aren't logged into SO. And nobody else has ever said "I asked about this on SO". Only one colleague I have mentioned once "Oh I know Eric Lippert. He answered one of my questions on Stack Overflow once. I was honoured". We were talking about Eric Lippert and one of his articles off-site.
@Adriaan guess so...
Ah, right I also had another colleague who said they posted a single answer on SO and kept getting upvotes on it. So that's a total of two people I've worked who I know have posted on SO.
my colleagues use SO to look up stuff but no one has an account
Same here. They use SO for useful things, I use SO to slack off instead of working
I used to just look stuff up but then I decided I needed a way to waste more time so I got an account
08:31
actually I use SO to look up stuff too, but then I start seeing stuff that needs to be deleted everywhere
Did you just nuke the spammer?
absolutely
What is the right way to report spammers to be nuked, given the rule against linking profiles in SOCVR? (Something like this but for Stack Overflow)
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I also sometimes find answers needed for my work on SO and also some colleagues mentioned SO questions before. But the real reason for me to be here is that Microsoft removed Minesweeper from Windows.
@user16217248 you don't have to do that. we usually destroy spammers' accounts as a standard procedure. If you come across a spammer profile that was not destroyed, you can raise a custom flag to remind us
08:39
Is this question on topic? On one hand is contains some html code, but on the other hand the question is closed to configuring tableau
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09:07
@blackgreen we usually destroy spammers' accounts as a standard procedure - do you? Just clicked on spam flags in my profile and already on the first page I found 35 not nuked accounts, the following pages don't look much better. Would be a lot of work flagging all of them...
09:24
@jps I do. But I'm mostly talking about "best air conditioner brand in Dubai" kind of spam
@blackgreen yea, that's useless. The best air conditioner brand in Switzerland though...
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@blackgreen your personal vendetta against air conditioner brands from Dubai? Not sure if I can find any not nuked profiles for that, but tons of other stuff. Feel free to look into my profile if you're bored from the usual flags and are in a kill 'em all kind of mood.
(but please done nuke me)
I'm definitely not going to bother. There's mods who monitor Smoke Detector reports and follow up on validated red flags to clean up the leftovers — or fix mis-flags. I'm not one of them.
I always destroy my evil spammers
09:41
What about those who spam for good?
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09:52
Man it's snowing so much here, I should build a snow cow
I feel like is a pretty bad tag - are there any opinions on it?
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Why do you think it's bad?
@Adriaan it seems innostax.com isn't watched by Smokey. Can we watch it?
@Cow Well, which questions is this tag supposed to be used on?
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@dan1st I'm not sure about that, but computer science is explained on Python.org several places and it's even part of their success stories, so I do think it's suppose to be here
09:56
it seems to mainly contain "not about programming" questions and questions that are about programming but are not theoretic at all
and the tag wiki excerpt doesn't help either
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there's a book also! Python Programming: An Introduction to Computer Science by John Zelle
it's recommended by the python org
How is that related?
@blackgreen not by me, I don't have write access to smokey
@Adriaan just request access :)
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@dan1st Yeah I'm not sure how the tag is relevant in terms of actual programming, maybe you're right, most questions do seem to be off topic
10:02
@Cow there are a few high-score on-topic questions
but well most of them are shitty
@Adriaan I'm fairly certain they would give you SD or reviewer privileges if you ask them
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In the end I'm just a low rep cow, so I don't have much to say anyways, it's time for me to have a walk in the snowy weather and get some lunch
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@dan1st I've been offered multiple times, yes.
@Cow I asked here because I wanted to see opinions
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It seems you will have to stick with mine for now, until someone else comes by and answers
@blackgreen Opened a pull request for it
10:07
I mean, it would need a MSO post anyways to do anything but I'd like to get feedback xd
@dan1st the top answer there looks good to me, which in turn links to the comment "It's a bit like having a tag called "programming". It's on-topic, but not very informative." to which I agree
yes
but it got the fate of too many discussions related to tags - rotten and forgotten
re: computer science tag. Yeah, it's bad. Looking through it now, somebody asked a general question but apparently didn't even know what computer science is and asked about actual computers: What is the Difference between 'U' , 'P' and 'H' type processor in laptop?
The questions that have any relation to compsci are already pretty bad and well better served by more specific tags. The non-compsci questions with the tag are just atrocious.
that's a moment where I'd want to put a bounty on a MSO post xd
but well
4473 total questions, 2174 with score >1, 3959 not closed.
I have no clue how those stats compare to other tags
10:16
@blackgreen Just drop a note in Charcoal HQ - there'll be someone around who'll watch it for your, once they see your diamond. :)
Is this about programming or general computing? I can't make heads or tails of the text and the tags suggest SU
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@Adriaan looks like general comp. to me, talking about an OS image and ui
@Adriaan The answer parroted something from Salesforce.SE. Makes me think it's indeed not programming.
Wait, it's not even relevant. I don't know what the answer is about.
@VLAZ did they forget to add the spam link?
Maybe.
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10:45
@VLAZ We'll never find out. People post all kinds of nonsense as answers all the time. Sometimes it seems people feel the need to test posting on SO, and then just paste some unrelated stuff into the answer field.
10:56
weird. I could understand if it had been a copy-paste of the user's own question, just trying to find a place it will get an answer. But that was copied from someone else, many years ago.
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and already answered long ago
Even chatGPT "thinks" this question needs details or clarity ;)
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haha
then its bad
cannot see it but stared anyways
best comment of the day
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
that made it so much better hahaha
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@Adriaan Did you link to the wrong screenshot?
11:03
Hum, yes, oops
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what??
but that one is also funny but omg
rofl how do people come up with that
or how do people come up with that
le shrug
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it's crazy
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@Adriaan yep, that's the right one!
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I still like the first screenshot better
I would love to answer like that and get so much rep
man wife made cookies and they are gooooeeee'd
11:27
@Cow If I had a man wife, I'd ask them to make cookies for me too
Man wives that make cookies are the best
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you should, they're especially good, when they are warm
Yeah, I prefer a warm man wife to a cold one
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ROFL
I'm not sure you're allowed to marry a cold one, tbh
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yeah it might lead to some unpleasant conversations
11:54
@Cow should be flagged as spam. It's a spam seed for the product
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??
timefold is a product?
timefoldai is, yeah
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flagged as spam
Sorry I had no idea what it was
just ask doctor google!
:)
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should make a search engine called Moogle
11:56
:)
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Just moo away your searches!
I could step outside and ask one of my cows. Probably have to give it some hay to get a response though.
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haha
@Nick ...but it's open source on github?
@KarlKnechtel timefold.ai is commercial
OP has previously spammed too (hence blacklisted user from SD)
12:05
ah
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I feel like this answer: stackoverflow.com/a/73305847/11355926 doesn't really help or answer the actual question, what do you guys think?
oh sorry, it's old if it makes a difference
it's garbage that fundamentally misunderstands the question. the question is also definitely too broad
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yeah
so should I vote it as low quality or how do I go about it?
user has a lot of reps
just downvote bad content, cast delete votes if it's this far off and you have the privilege. Mods will not take an NAA flag on something like this
@Cow it is actually too old for a cv-pls or flag-pls request under the rules of this room
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12:10
I will put it in the other room
but also like, how did you come across this?
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I'm looking at old questions
for fun I guess
@Nick hah found one where you answered
I noticed that! :)
Night all.
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sleep well @Nick
oh
that user is weird
maybe I'm wrong again lol
it says the user is unregistered
rofl
oh yay I did it right this time
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12:28
@Cow why? An unregistered user posted nonsense, what else would you do?
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I guess I've become a bit insecure after all the votes I had to retract hehehe
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12:52
whistles
Wow - A cow that can whistle! Can you quack like a duck, too?
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@AdrianMole hehehe, I'm like a Swiss knife
@Cow sharp and suitable to open wine bottles?
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@Adriaan You complete me
@StephenOstermiller oh, you're almost at 100k at webmasters! Too bad there's no more swag
12:59
@Adriaan I'm also not gaining rep very fast right now because I'm letting other people answer the questions. It will probably be a year before I'm at 100k.
Oof. 48k questions on , where the wiki excerpt starts with "Do not use this tag" :s
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:o
Because everybody reads tag wikis before they apply tags.
And it's probably too big to burn or something. Must be a meta about it
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@Adriaan Hehe, there's like 100% probability that user watches Asmongold
I'm so close to my 5th gold badge
I can taste it
13:16
@Cow What detail do you think that needs? That question looks perfectly clear to me.
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Roger that, retracted
I just had a hard time seeing what the actual answer would look like, but you're right
what about this one @StephenOstermiller stackoverflow.com/questions/77578729/… It's kind of the same
@Cow That isn't clear to me. They don't say if this loan calculator is something they wrote, or an extension. It may not even be a programming question.
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@NathanOliver can you bin chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/56897348#56897348 it seems I'm very wrong again
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13:28
<3
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The amount of nonsense posted on SO recently is mind-boggling. People seem to post all kinds of output they get from chatGPT and the like here as a question, no matter if it's actually a question, an answer or whatever else of blabla they get...
13:49
^IMO a well written question worthy of pointing to another site. Which would fit? Hardware.se? SU?
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@VLAZ oh yeah (<- click on this at your own risk!)
@jps You dare make me look at this with my innocent eyes?!
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@VLAZ sorry, added a warning
Too late. I have already witnessed it and my faith in the platform dropped down another notch.
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@VLAZ Aren’t all of us SOCVR users already traumatized?
14:03
Well yes. It's just that bad. I added it to my (rather meagre) Saves list of terrible posts.
Oh, great. There's a [nothing] tag.
@GeneralGrievance What is it about? /s
> In VB.NET, Nothing refers to something which has not been initialized. In C# it would be null. Occasionally used in the Scala type system.
Right, clear as mud.
Most recent question is about Kotlin, as well...
"Nothing refers to something..." Fantastic start.
OK, this question seems quite ambitious PHP - how i can have a list of all the php code?
"Nothing comes from nothing. Nothing ever could"
14:19
Somehow the original tag excerpt was much worse: stackoverflow.com/posts/9968672/revisions
I mean, I get what the description says. It's just not well defined. In VB (apparently) its an uninitialised. It then goes on to say that'd be null in C# but it's not. Not initialised is not the same as null - the null is a sub-type. In C# it'd be more akin to "default value" which, say, for int would be 0.
And then it says it's occasionally used in Scala. Which I do not believe it is because 1. I doubt it's "occasional" 2. it's not the same concept at all, it's a bottom type
So, the excerpt is for both "uninitialised" type and also bottom types in type systems. But it barely gives a glancing reference to the latter one. There is no usage guidance. It barely defines the tag as three different things.
14:50
@jps it's a prerequisite for joining
16:42
@miken32 sad to see my Nov 21 vote aged away :-( can't vote again until dec 10...
@TylerH Dec 7 for me, but it got edited so...
The duration you have to wait to cast a CV after a previous one ages away should be reduced to 1 week for 10k users and be removed for 20k users
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@miken32 probably the only mikrotik question to slip through the cracks
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16:57
^ latest SD-Report: Greetings from the Lovely Professional University!
 
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@GeneralGrievance Are you sure it was the same user who asked? Also, they seem to use a package and the question is related to it, not just how do it in js, right?
@Vega Ah, user caught it and deleted it.
Ah, ok :)
@NathanOliver Can you bin chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/56897920#56897920. My close reason no longer applies.
 
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can/do moderators cancel bounties on off-topic questions? stackoverflow.com/questions/76967996/…
23:01
yes, but why is this one off-topic?
23:23
@TylerH I've seen them occasionally do it when the bounty has just started, I think it's up to which mod handles the flag how they deal with it.
@Dharman It looks to me like it's asking how to manage logs in a web-based front end

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