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1:26 AM
I should ping the RO that was most recently active if I want to remove one of my past requests correct?
 
@Ethan Yes. Don't forget to link to your request when you do. (FAQ#29)
 
 
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4:06 AM
@JeanneDark Eeek! They're onto us!
@AndrasDeak--СлаваУкраїні Eh, I disagree with that... It's a lot less time consuming to handle the flag queue on Meta than it is to read full chat transcripts.
@cigien Seems to me that pedagogy would be a mistake? Start off with understanding the low-level basics, and then graduate to the pre-packaged algorithms that you'd use in professional code. You need to have at least a vague idea of what the nice algorithm functions are doing under the covers, though.
 
 
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7:54 AM
does anyone Laravel? Surely this is a basic dupe that Stack Overflow already has covered, right? stackoverflow.com/q/73343864/2943403
 
8:28 AM
Anyone else reproduce that the "Featured on Meta" bulletin suddenly stopped showing any posts from MSO?
 
@CodyGray I don't see MSO posts either
 
8:46 AM
@JeanneDark At least someone sees my messages. :-) Looks fixed now, after I reset the cache.
 
Everyone does, but everyone reacts to them differently ;)
 
 
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10:38 AM
@CodyGray noted
 
11:21 AM
Is adding two (blank) characters in an edit to a closed question, then submitting it for review, abuse of the system? Here.
 
How was that even allowed to be submitted?!
 
Dunno.
Was OP trying to add a paragraph break?
Do you want to finish off the reopen review?
 
Yes, very much
 
I guess a flower can do what a pair of spectacles can, in some circumstances. :)
 
That's an all-star cast.
 
11:30 AM
Yeah - The Mole and the Rottveiler are big in that queue.
 
11:54 AM
Arabic spam. Whatever next?
 
12:12 PM
@AdrianMole: why not?
 
Well, canned pork probably isn't a big seller in the Arabian peninsular.
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6:35 PM
Huh. I just noticed that deleting one of my own posts counts as one of my daily delete vote quota. Has that always been the case, or is it a new feature?
 
it's always been the case
 
So how can folks with 0 daily delete votes delete their own posts?
 
When you are deleting your own posts, you can go over the quota, up to 5 posts per day.
 
Ah. I'll now have to go find posts to delete, just to check your assertion. ;)
{Temporarily changes username to Dharman II}
 
6:59 PM
Is this NAA? It's just a "thanks" but it has included solutions from comments: stackoverflow.com/a/73354050/1255289
 
7:12 PM
Is this spam? The linked GitHub repo has a contributor with a very similar username to the poster.
 
@AdrianMole It could be phrased more clearly I guess, but the first sentence discloses affiliation. They're definitely affiliated (the link is in their profile as well).
 
I see no disclosure of affiliation in the post itself.
 
"I'm about to propose a framework..." looks like they're saying it's their framework. If you feel that isn't disclosure, then the answer is technically spam.
 
That could be a proposal for anyone's framework.
 
There's also a "... but we don't have support for that ..." in the answer text, which indicates that they're affiliated. But yeah, if you feel the disclosure isn't clear enough, then it's spam.
 
7:21 PM
For now, I'll leave it unflagged with the comment.
... but maybe the question is the problem? Is it asking for recommendations?
 
Yes, the question is definitely seeking recommendations. It's closed already, and will roomba in 10 days.
 
This answer was posted before the same answerer dupe-hammered the question, but the answer was accepted and it stays. Is this case flag worthy?
 
@E_net4thecommentflagger Doesn't this cross over into moderating the user?
 
Hmm. Definitely dodgy but maybe answer was accepted before the answerer closed as a dupe, in which case they could then no longer delete the answer (as they may have wanted to).
 
7:43 PM
@CodyGray It depends on the target audience, and what one is trying to teach, but I don't see that it's a mistake necessarily. Teaching the abstraction that's appropriate makes a lot of sense to me. and always starting off understanding the low-level basics isn't necessarily the best approach.
e.g. if you want a collection of things in C++, you learn to use a std::vector. Sure, under the hood it's all new and delete with raw pointers, but I don't see the benefit to learning that before vector. There's plenty of other examples I'm sure you can think off.
I suspect, at least with regards to C++, that because many of the abstractions are relatively new in the language, there's a feeling that the more "fundamental", "low-level" stuff, aka doing things manually, is somehow more important to know than the higher level abstractions.
There was certainly that attitude with range-for loops; people said "oh, it's important to know the low level mechanism of using iterators to iterate over the range", but fortunately that has gone away to some extent. In languages that had higher level abstractions from the beginning, this happens a lot less. Nobody bats an eye if the first loop that's taught in Python is a range-for (for e in v:) loop.
There are also downsides to teaching the "low-level" approach first: people get comfortable with using it, and then keep using it. I'm sure you've seen production code where people literally write a loop when all they want to do is count elements. Sure, they might find it easier to read and write because that's how they learned it, but I don't see why that's what should necessarily be taught first to people starting to learn the language.
 
8:42 PM
35 remaining open questions in the burnination, all with 2 CVs on them. Queue Here.
 

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