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7:00 PM
I do - which is the problem. I have to reach further for the mouse on a full-width keyboard. I switched to tenkeyless on a recommendation and my wrist problems got much better.
 
Does this belong on Networking or is it simply too broad? bash: configuring /etc/hosts to accept multiple IP addresses in a subnet
 
looks like a SF question to me
 
🚽
 
Oops, meant SF, not "Networking"
 
@RyanM Hmm, I have a very small pivot range for moving my hand from my mouse to the numpad
 
7:06 PM
why not just get a mouse with a numpad
 
but I do move it twice as far (still technically just a pivot below the elbow) to start typing (at least when I'm typing more than a word or three---if that's all I'm typing I can do it pretty quickly with just my left hand usually)
 
Yeah, the issues is how far out my arm is to use the mouse
results in an awkward wrist angle
 
@SurajRao Huh. Speaking of screenshots of other answers, here's another one: stackoverflow.com/a/72288226/4294399
 
@GeneralGrievance Incredible.
 
dbc
@RyanM And somebody embedded the linked image in the first answer review.
 
7:24 PM
@VLAZ Por que no los dos
 
@Braiam I can only pick one close reason.
 
Dec 27, 2020 at 14:10, by Braiam
If I had to rephrase my pecking order I would say unclear, off topic, unclear, opinion based, too broad, duplicate.
 
@dbc Sigh. Thanks, handled.
 
Just a wee reminder, please: Is a Python answer to a C question flaggable as NAA? (I think that's the orange in Shog's pictures of apples.)
 
@AdrianMole Well the mods used to say no but then IIRC Cody scoffed at that and said yes
personally I think yes, as that's what the flag verbiage describes
"does not answer the question"
Unless C has implemented native Python support and I somehow missed it
 
@AdrianMole Please flag using custom message
 
What? Cody scoffed all the apples? Or just the orange? And that after having shrunk all the croissants.
@Dharman I saw it in Late Answers review and voted to delete, adding a comment. Does it still need a mod flag?
 
It depends if you think a mod should delete it or not, but since you have voted to delete yourself, I assume you want it to be deleted
 
7:56 PM
imean
 
Meh. Still not sure if a delete vote cast in LA sends it to LQA. It should but I recall from somewhere that it doesn't. If I flag it, it will go to LQA and - no doubt - get deleted.
 
I doubt it does
 
@Dharman I gave it a VLQ flag. I'm sure you can find that, should you wish to act. :)
 
I could have found it even without a flag... :D
 
his apple sniffer works very well
 
7:59 PM
Sounds like a breed of dog/pig. xD
 
8:11 PM
@AdrianMole the reason to not flag these as NAA/VLQ is that it makes handling of the flags much harder if we have to work out why everyone is flagging things that look like answers that way - especially because a lot of those flags are just wrong and should be declined. A custom flag solves that issue.
People regularly flag highly upvoted answers as NAA, because...well, I don't know, they didn't say. I guess maybe it didn't work for them?
 
That makes sense - because, IIRC, you don't see comments when handling NAA/VLQ flags.
 
We can but it's behind another click. A comment is far better than nothing, at least, which is often what we get.
I'll usually check for comments, at least.
 
Maybe a del-pls request is better for those? (I've done that before, I think.)
 
Yeah, if it's not clear then del-pls works.
Probably most NAA flags I handle without opening the post at all, because the unformatted summary makes it very obvious.
Those take a couple seconds apiece
 
@RyanM Does it make a difference who the flagger is? I mean, looking at something that seems like an answer, you may think, "Now why would a clever guy like Mr Mole flag that? Better have a look..."
Anyway, with the Late Answers queue now standing at over 3,000 posts waiting for review, is that heading the same way as First Questions? I'm thinking of a Meta post but, as a 'feeler', one question ...
 
8:24 PM
I wish they'd implement some better prioritization algorithms. The LQA algorithms are pretty good. I feel likely to see the worst crap first.
 
Posts can be in both the First and Late Answers queues. Sometimes, in LA, I see a bot-comment that was clearly added from FA, which I agree with (and I would have probably made the same, had I seen it in FA). If there is nothing else I can do, is upvoting that comment a valid review action? Otherwise, I just Skip and pass the problem on ...
 
...of course, I say all this as I decline an NAA flag for someone who posted Java code to a Kotlin question...
@AdrianMole Depending on what userscripts the mod is using and/or which mod you get...yes. There are definitely users for whom I would look a bit more closely, because they have a very good track record of being right.
 
8:37 PM
 
@AdrianMole Regarding VLQ: these are very useless flags and I would recommend everyone to avoid them if possible. On a question, they usually mean you want +1 declined flag. On an answer, they are just annoying. They are very easy to accidentally dismiss or convert to a silent downvote. Sometimes, it's unclear why someone even used that flag. I think it's one the most declined flags, if we do not count the autoflags.
If something is worthy of a delete, but isn't NAA, just explain it to us. It will be easier for us to handle and quicker
 
^ +1
 
9:02 PM
I just had an inception moment. I got a review task where someone wanted to close a question as a duplicate of a question that I myself had hammered closed as a duplicate of another question.
 
My favorites are audits of questions I've closed myself.
 
lol
 
Oooh, I don't think I've gotten one of those.
 
wait til you get an audit of your own post
 
I think I got one of Cody's posts as a review once. I don't recall if it was an audit.
 
9:08 PM
Wow, that's a gem of a Q&A. How do I connect to a database? Easy, build a web service and implement security.
 
It needs a "don't do that; do this other totally unrelated process instead" answer for completeness
 
@TylerH Well, I deleted that one.
It was not very good.
 
user17242583
hehe...205 votes in one day
 
I don't see how you all don't burn out.
 
btw @richardec just wanted to confirm you got my ping in SOBotics
 
9:12 PM
you can't burn out if you don't do anything but complain
 
@IanCampbell I'm very stubborn.
Honestly though it's mostly mindless tasks :-p
 
@RyanM ah nice
 
After that big Meta hubbub, I can't help but really notice those "accept my answer or else!" comments everywhere.
 
Despite my limited disagreement with the finer details of the proposal, they really are a plague.
I think that the right version of the proposal would meet with agreement.
 
user17242583
@RyanM I'm not sure what you're referring to...
 
9:17 PM
@miken32 hey, thank you for visiting that transition height CSS question with your delete votes :-)
 
Give it a few months and try again? I mean, I'm sure Mach is very glad to have a -125 score question.
 
@richardec it was "are you raising flags with a script? You may want to double-check those flags."
 
You love to see it i.stack.imgur.com/VnVYC.png
 
perhaps SOBotics is a poor choice of room to ping in.
 
@IanCampbell Well, it's certainly one of many rites of passages for mods on Meta :-)
 
9:19 PM
I can just imagine the conversation now, "Oh, yeah no problem, I'll post the rule proposal. I'm sure people will love it."
 
@IanCampbell Yeah, my idea would be to develop something around my answer, which was generally well-received. Though there is at least some speculation that people just liked to see a moderator disagree with the other moderators :-p
I think that the primary case where users see real value in those comments is where someone has said "Thanks, that worked!" and then not accepted the answer. I don't believe the community wants people nagging everyone who doesn't accept an answer.
 
user17242583
@RyanM Aha, no, I never saw that ping! I must have dismissed it in bulk with my SOCVFinder ones. Yes - I was raising some R/A flags with a script; I realized that those were all declined, and (very) rightfully so, so I stopped that. :)
 
Unfortunately, I fear your proposal will result in too much (I forget what people call it) rule line finding and Meta drama.
 
"rules lawyering"
 
Right, that's the one.
One thing that I wanted to bring up, but there was too much noise, is that in some tags, people are honestly very eager to help. When someone accepts an answer, that's a clear signal that their problem has been solved and for that no additional effort needs to be expended to solve it for them. One might argue that's not the intended use of the site, but hey, it happens.
 
9:27 PM
Accepting an answer also serves a less obvious purpose - it indicates to the world that the question has been answered, and new answers are less likely to get attention. It's a great time saver for those that are browsing the list of questions. Users shouldn't be forced to accept an answer, but I don't see a problem with gentle encouragement. — Mark Ransom May 19 at 3:49
 
Ah, well, Mark's right!
 
I only knew where to find that amongst the noise because it was on my answer.
But yeah, lotta noise...I think we've been trying to be judicious about removing noise since it's already a touchy situation. We've done a bit, but only in pretty blatant cases of noise.
 
there's also the fun marxism debate thread in the comments...
hopefully that's fully gone now
half the comments were NLN-flag-deleted by users alone
 
I've removed all mentions of various political philosophies/philosophers, as the conversation about them had spiraled wildly off-topic. I've strived to preserve everyone's points about the site and its moderation, minus the comparisons to political theories and related history lessons. — Ryan M ♦ 57 mins ago
I left two mentions of communism in another thread, but that one hadn't spiraled...
 
btw, you could just ping me for an expedite deletion of at least my half :)
 
9:34 PM
eh, the whole mess needed a moderator to clean up. I did some of it with edits, where it mentioned it in the middle of an otherwise useful comment.
 
I almost just suggested a comment migration to chat but then a bunch of users would've been up in arms about that
 
eh, just joking as I recognise which thread it is about, @RyanM
 
e.g., "Also, this Marxist notion that" -> "Also, this notion that"
 
@RyanM striven, btw
:-)
 
wait, really?
 
9:36 PM
yeah past perfect participle
 
I strived; I have striven
I guess you could use I have strived, just is more awkward IMO
 
apparently you are traditionally correct. TIL.
 
@RyanM well, it actually lists just that, striven :)
 
but it technically works since it's not something you're currently still doign
ew, if somebody said "I have strove" I would slap them in the face
 
9:38 PM
yeah that sounds very wrong
 
hmm
^i vocalize that message every time i send it
 
I've always used striven.
 
@TylerH oh heck no, the last thing we need is that spiraling out of control in chat where messages are subject to flagging for every 10k user on the site :-p
 
@TylerH lol glad to help, always nice to find yourself with a bunch of rep back AND less junk hanging around
 
10:10 PM
This post is nonsense, right? stackoverflow.com/q/72369966/4294399
 
10:36 PM
(Never mind)
Sorry for the ping
 
@GeneralGrievance yes
 
11:09 PM
I'm still waiting for someone to post a comment inviting Machavity to accept an answer to his Meta post, if he found one useful. ;-P
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11:30 PM
Testing something, please flag NLN: Test complete, thanks!
 
11:52 PM
@AdrianMole I came very close to doing that but was worried I’d get a vacation.
 
@IanCampbell Yeah - Same here. I think the whole thing got a bit too hot for such a playful prank.
 
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