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12:29 AM
@Dharman I've been looking for a canonical to write a comment. Isn't video treated the same like "code as image"? and once a video is updated/link changed it wouldn't make sense anymore for anyone. Do you have a canonical at hand?
 
People often link to tutorial. As long as they show their attempt then I think it's fine
 
OK
@Dharman I just remember a discussion about the whole video thing and can't find it, but video killed the radio star
 
 
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5:22 AM
@sta technically that is asking for a "where do I find the official X" which is less "request for off-site resource" then general "find me some X". Given it is has the only sensible answer already and the new answer might as well turn into being a fraud I'm happy to close vote it as I don't think any better answers will show up.
 
6:15 AM
Something unexpected happened: Yesterday there was a non-English question that I flagged as needs details or clarity. Some commenters claimed they voted to close but not sure they did. Much later the OP translated it and I asked about it in here. Today I find the question is closed, but my flag disputed. It seems to me that Triage (3x "Looks ok") is the reason.
Is this new behavior? This only happened to me before when I was raising the flag as part of my own Triage review, not when outside of Triage. Or has Triage all the time before just never been quick enough to review the item and it has always been like this?
 
@JeanneDark The flag was indeed disputed, but your side of the dispute turned out to be the correct one, so I don't see anything in the flag worth worrying about because the matter is only about one flag.
 
Thanks. I'm not worried about the disputed flag. I'm surprised that Triage review has an influence on flags raised outside Triage and never see it happen before, although I flag quite often.
 
6:51 AM
"Sorry to post this in the answer section but stack overflow didn't allow me to put a new question for this"
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7:24 AM
@JeanneDark no problem, I'll answer in the question box and add the tag
 
 
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8:30 AM
@JeanneDark I believe that triage has always disputed all closure flags raised prior to the completion of the review. @Scratte might know more, they kept careful track of flags and hit a lot of disputes, but I'm not sure if they were all from Triage.
 
@RyanM Ok, thanks! It's just that I do not remember it ever having happened to me before. All my other disputed flags are from when I was reviewing in Triage myself. I don't think it's good that Triage has this kind of effect.
 
@RyanM They were all from Triage :)
I'm pretty sure that I have had flags disputed in Triage that I didn't raise in Triage. It doesn't care where the flag was raised.. it there's a consensus in Triage that the post is fine, then.. it must be fine ;)
 
Oh wait, I used to flag a lot too before I got close privileges. Here's one (10k link) where I raised a flag that was disputed, but I'm not listed in the Triage review. Raised (and disputed) Nov 22 2019.
 
Heh.. I was just about to do that same search on my own disputed flags :)
Only I have the disadvantage of not being able to see the timeline on deleted posts.
 
8:41 AM
That's not good, considering the quality of reviewing done in Triage.
 
Good thing SOCVR exists... but yeah, it's not great that Triage disputes flags like that.
On the plus side, Triage is hopefully better since the changes?
Maybe?
 
Heh.. I can't seem to find one that's still around. And of all the ones I find, I see me flagging it, then 3 "Looks OK" and one "No actions needed" from First Posts :D
 
In my opinion, Triage shouldn't have any influence on flags and close votes and only send posts to respective other queues (or not).
 
@RyanM I do not think that the logic had changed. You will still get your flag disputed if you raised it before the Triage review is complete,,
The logic seems kind of sound though. If there's a consensus that the post is fine, there's no reason to send it to closure. Only problem is that people seem to get the "fine" part wrong.
 
@Scratte oh I just meant hopefully the reviewing is better.
since the options were made clearer.
@Scratte Decided to look through, I found exactly one: stackoverflow.com/posts/59277734/timeline. Opinion-based flag raised Dec 11 '19 at 1:52, disputed Dec 11 '19 at 5:24.
 
8:51 AM
@RyanM I'm looking, but most of the posts I flagged that were disputed are deleted..
@RyanM Perhaps it is. Which may also be why the queue sizes have exploded.
I found one example.. but it may be misleading, as it was a flag on Jul 27 '20 at 18:34 for a duplicate. The flag was disputed. The Triage review was 3 "Looks OK", but the flag could have been disputed by post author, no? Heh.. no. It was disputed at the same time as the review at Jul 27 '20 at 20:30
 
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10:04 AM
thank you
 
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11:59 AM
Morning
 
12:44 PM
Can a RO remove my previous request? OP is attempting to provide more details. tia
 
12:54 PM
 
1:50 PM
Verilog is programming
Ultimately, all computer programs run on hardware
 
Incoming alignment map
 
even Human Resource Machine is a programming environment.
 
I like maps.
 
But the question is not about programming, is about verilog concepts affecting the simulation
 
Simulation is just executing the program according to formal specification. That is programming.
As soon as hardware does something against the specification, that is not our problem anymore.
 
2:01 PM
@JohnDvorak Yeah but you don't really write programs with Verilog... You describe the hardware of components. Anyway, this is a problematic issue discussed alot on Meta. My best argument is that it will get better audience over at EE but that, of course, is not a close reason by itself. So I'll leave it at that
 
Will it though?
According to that definition, wouldn't Haskell not be programming, since you're only writing definitions and letting a machine decide when to apply each transformation or not?
 
Here we go
@AdrianMole I'm on it.
 
@Tomerikoo I'm not thrilled by that cv-pls: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/322363 and I'm even less thrilled by the can of worms that I'll open if that type of questions pass through this room. Lastly: did you check with EE.se that they take that question?
 
2:16 PM
I have no problem removing the request. I don't mean to cause problems or useless arguments in the room. I was contemplating if to post and will avoid posting these
 
Okay, I'll move it for now. I did leave a message in the backroom for other RO's in case I misjudge this.
 
@rene No problem. Thanks. I just felt like it is more about the HDL concepts rather than the programming aspects of it. Anyway, I agree about the can of worms and as I said will avoid bringing these questions here
 
3:11 PM
@AdrianMole Possibly subjective, but I did a draft.
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hehe
 
4:02 PM
Steam is down! How am I meant to procrastinate?
 
the horror
does offline mode work
 
the silliness of always online connections being required for stuff you do offline...
 
yeah I was able to lunch Civ 6
 
Steam especially. It should never require a connection to login and play games you have installed on your computer. But that also depends on the games themselves supporting launching separately from Steam
@Dharman I too eat Civ 6 for lunch
 
4:05 PM
and I am able to launch Chinese takeaway
 
I dont think this is a valid question but im not sure what to CV it as. stackoverflow.com/q/68487259/1841839 Any ideas?
 
@Dharman And that's why I prefer Gog
Other than in my country games are cheaper on gog
 
4:25 PM
@DaImTo This MSO question may be relevant: Are bug report-ish questions in the scope of SO?
 
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5:32 PM
Anybody knows if there is a way to know how well I am doing on the CV queue or any indirect indicator of it? Should I ask on meta or has this already been asked? Like, how many review bans I've ever received and when was the last one, etc? I would want to know if I need to improve or if I am doing good...
 
As of about a year ago, you'll be notified of any review queue suspensions, though I don't think there's anywhere to view them in one place.
 
5:48 PM
@MarcoBonelli I asked about a dashboard before, never got traction
 
damn that's a shame, it's really hard to understand if am doing good or bad without any historical info
 
@MarcoBonelli while a review ban tracker would be a strong indicator that you are not doing well, just not being banned is not necessarily an indicator that you are doing well
For such a signal to be meaningful, it would need to track the status of questions you've voted on. How many "leave open" votes of yours were on questions that are currently still open/never closed? How many "close" votes of yours were on questions that are currently closed/deleted? etc.
 
@TylerH well, yeah... but still better than nothing. As @Braiam is saying in their linked message a %consensus indicator would be really good feature to have
 
5:52 PM
@RyanM hmm, that's good to know, thanks.
 
@MarcoBonelli IIRC review bans are always for longer and longer amounts, so you can extrapolate indirectly how you are doing based on how long your review ban is
 
that makes sense
 
if you're banned for a year or two, it means you done messed up quite a few times already
:-)
 
i think the max is 1 year, which thankfully never happened to me :')
 
Mods can see your review ban history, so you could ask one of those who hang out in here, if you're happy for that to be revealed "in public". (Best not to ping one; just leave a message saying you'd like it.)
... or, as you already suggested, you could ask on Meta if any 10k+ users would like to do some 'random' reviews of your recent reviews.
 
6:01 PM
Yeah I thought about it but I don't really wanna waste anyone's time with that. Maybe in the future if/when I get a ban.
 
@MarcoBonelli Yeah, I can see it in the mod tools. I do wish they'd show it to you but they don't. You were last review banned on Feb 8, 2020 for a bad Triage review. You only have one ban prior to that
 
@Machavity thank you for checking that. When/on which queue was that previous ban if I may ask?
 
@MarcoBonelli It was also for Triage (Apr 23 '15), but it was for an audit failure
 
@Machavity Thank you very much!
 
FWIW, the mod tooling on reviews when I started was awful and now it's actually pretty good. Gives me hope they'll do more on the user end someday
 
6:08 PM
Let's hope!
 
^ +1 I think it shows a good attitude if a reviewer wants to check on their overall performance.
There's a script that rene wrote that compares your review decisions with those of other reviewers ... but, the 'majority' verdict is not always the correct verdict.
 
6:21 PM
There is/was a userscript, Match against peers in review (on greasyfork.org), which would show the consensus which was reached for each review in the history. It's probably no longer working, due to changes in the HTML/CSS SE provides for those pages. (cc @rene)
....and ninja'ed
 
@Makyen yeah, no, wait.
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yeah, no, wait - are we looking for a consensus?
 
who introduced a table there?
 
@AdrianMole shh he's trying to tell the bridge keeper his favorite color...
 
6:35 PM
@Makyen oh... that is interesting, thanks for the links
 
@Makyen now fixed
Greasy fork updated as well
 
6:59 PM
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Q: Let's abort the [updates]

Aryan BeezadhurThe updates tag has the following description: [Instead of using this tag, please use the appropriate tag for the software and/or library in question] Updates can refer to the modification of data or configuration by an application, process, or service, or can refer to the modification of softwa...

 
@rene Great. Thanks!
 
@Machavity blue... no! yellooooooooooooow
 
I noticed someone fixed a script :)
I mean.. I noticed that it runs now, which is very nice :)
However.. it seems to be a little inaccurate.
 
you can't have everything
 
Heh. True :) Maybe I just don't understand the meaning of the word "mismatch" ;)
I'm seeing the same in Suggested Edits.
 
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7:44 PM
Is, "Because Jon Skeet thinks so" a valid close-vote reason?
 
Is it listed in the close vote dialog?
 
@AdrianMole no
 
@AdrianMole Sounds legit. I mean, has anyone actually found some place where Jon Skeet was actually wrong?
 
@Scratte that's irrelevant, because we have a custom close reason option listed in the close vote modal for other reasons that aren't prescribed
@Machavity I think he does like 0-based arrays, so there's that
 
@TylerH I see.. so that could have "Because Jon Skeet thinks so" or "I don't like green avatars" or "I'll reopen on a blue moon". I expect none of those are valid close reasons.
 
7:49 PM
@Scratte Yes, and you're right that none of those three are valid close reasons. However, the custom close reason is not exclusively for invalid close reasons. That would be absurd.
 
Well, there are currently two "Needs debugging details" CVs on this; one is mine and I think the other may be from Mr Skeet. Feel free to get your name alongside two great contributors! :-)
.. too late, and I was also wrong.
 
Wait.. you were asking because you wanted to use that? :D
 
I'm voting to close this question because Jon Skeet has left a negative comment on it!
 
I see.. I suppose the next one could be:
I'm voting to close this question because Jon Skeet's negative comment has TinyVotes™
 
^ Edited just in time!
 
7:54 PM
I had to find it first ;)
I invented a new one: TinyTags™
 
I'm surprised you don't have a hot-key that inserts: TinyVotes™
 
Heh.. I only just realized that Windows 10 has a short-cut for ™ :P
 
8:24 PM
@Scratte fix incoming, tested on Close review, let me know how it is on other queues
 
@rene It's fixed the mismatch -> match for my Suggested Edits history.
 
That is at least something.
I guess the comment stangely enough instructions doesn't behave fully as a jquery object, hence the juggling here has obsoleted itself without me doing anything
 
I noticed the script stopped working when they reworked the reviews. I didn't mention it back then because I thought you weren't interested in the script anymore :O I'm really sorry for staying silent about it.
 
@rene I'd check it out for some other queues ... but will that still risk hitting my {whatever} API requests quota? Or did you address that issue?
 
8:44 PM
I raised the wait time between calls to 500ms because I hit the throttle often. There are no other API limits at play, only how much the ha-proxy loves you.
 
As far as I can tell it does one API call per page. Not one per review.
..hmm.. never mind me. I think I need to revisit that again :O
 
it makes 50 calls on each full review history page
 
I just noticed that it doesn't seem to cut into my quota at all.
 
@Scratte don't feel sorry. You don't have to say anything. But I'm not Makyen. I'm not actively fixing bugs in my scripts, I wait till someone complains about something not working. For that script it didn't help it wasn't published on GH.
 
It was the first user script I ever installed :)
 
8:59 PM
Ha!
 
It took a while for me to work out how to do it too. I never heard of user scripts until I came in here and asked if I should worry about getting a review wrong :) ..the next day someone had review suspended me :D
 
9:10 PM
But, I'm willing to bet that Mole.nReviewBans > Squirrel.nReviewBans. xD
 
@AdrianMole You do a lot more reviews, so that's not entirely surprising :)
 
9:31 PM
You guys are getting review bans?! *flips table*
I thought I had given the mods enough doggie bones to avoid that!
 
The only way to avoid those for sure is to not review ;)
 
I haven't had an enforced vacation for quite some time. And my last failed audit was (IIRC) April First.
 
i've never been review banned
 
@Scratte or be me...
or Kevin apparently
 
... I took a few shortish bans in my early days. I put it down to a learning experience.
 
9:33 PM
though I chalk a lot of my record up to straight up avoiding the bad queues
 
just don't review
ez
 
if I had 35k reviews in the LQP queue or Triage I'd probably have about 35k review bans
 
i've done a little over 600 in 11 years
 
I know that reviews on deleted posts do not appear on one's profile.. so in some cases the reviews seem to be a lot less than the actual amount. But it's usually a good indicator.
My review bans were from Triage reviews during the Campaign™
 
more than i was expecting
 
9:42 PM
 
In my case the reviews shown in my profile are roughly halfway between 1/2 and 1/3 of the actual reviews that I did.
 
ew, question protection has a confirmation modal now
did it always have one?
Am I sure this question doesn't need the low quality answers it's getting from 100-rep users? Yes absolutely, stop bothering me, system
 
Well, according to Cody one's never suppose to project Questions. Only when one knows that there's incoming due to something external and doing to proactively. Questions will be protected by the system once there's enough deleted Answers on them.
 
100-rep users can answer protected questions.
Or is that 100 in binary notation?
 
users whose only rep is the association bonus can't answer protected questions
 
9:50 PM
Interesting. Didn't know that.
 
10:11 PM
You need to have earned 10 (I think) reputation points on the site where you want to post an Answer on a projection Question. remove new user restrictions says "Once you’ve earned 10 reputation points from participating on this site, you’ll be able to answer a protected question."
 
 
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11:39 PM
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica now del-eligible
 
Should the C++ tag be added back to this question. It was removed by an editor but, IMHO, I think it's important to what the question is asking (even though there's no code).
... and, with that tag back, I may consider hammering it as a dupe. xD
 
@AdrianMole Yes, I think the tag is appropriate. Added.
 
Thanks. How about the dupe (my answer as in my comment)? The questions are quite different, but I think the solution is the same.
... maybe I'll wait for a reply from the OP. If that suggested fix works, then I guess it's a dupe.
 
11:54 PM
It seems close, but I wouldn't be comfortable hammering with that target myself. Not that I think it's wrong (I would say if I did), I'm just not sure enough to hammer myself.
Yeah, see what the OP says.
 
Fair comment. I'll wait a bit.
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica Hmm, the first line of the answer to this question is odd. Wonder what that's about.
 
But the symptom (working on PCs with VS installed but not on those without it) is strongly suggestive that the VC Redist will do the business.
 

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