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3:40 AM
So there's a user insisting that a meta question being a cross-site duplicate is no reason to close it...I suppose the hundreds of questions I've seen closed for that reason should have been kept open then?
 
 
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5:06 AM
@mickmackusa Could also be closed with this super-dupe stackoverflow.com/q/1053424/2943403 if you prefer not to use off-topic:typo because it is uninformative.
 
 
6:12 AM
Realistically the entire tag can probably be cv-pls'd. But that might be too much to ask.
 
@DavidBuck no link (or is some user script playing games with me?), did you mean stackoverflow.com/a/66977520/874188?
 
@tripleee I did mean that. Yes, that was from a script
That worked. Apparently it doesn't work as expected if you use del-pls from the LA queue.
 
7:12 AM
@gnat that is not a "code-only answer" it is a mostly code-formatted answer, but there is some explanations in code comments. Are you seeking deletion because it is a "requirements dump"?
 
7:29 AM
Doe this qualify as an answer?
 
@gnat Can you please justify why this page should be deleted beyond the fact that there was no proof of research/effort in the question? If we deleted pages on this criteria, much of SO would be vaporized.
 
7:40 AM
@JeanneDark Just barely, but the question is General Computing
 
@DavidBuck Thanks!
 
8:16 AM
is this link only NAA?
 
8:33 AM
@SurajRao Yes.
 
 
9:25 AM
this is not an answer, but the original answer posted on comment, what to do with this?
 
@EsTeAa I would add it to the answer as a quote.
 
@E_net4thedownvoter this is the best idea I think
 
10:22 AM
 
10:32 AM
I keep on forgetting the on/off-topic border regarding questions; what about this one? stackoverflow.com/questions/66983748/…
 
this is link-only, but maybe useful, what to do then? [I think , It is fine as comment instead of answer]
 
@desertnaut that is not a docker problem. They are trying to run it on hardware that doesn't meet the minimal specs.
 
@JeanneDark you're faster than me to translate on google ;)
 
@EsTeAa Note the description of the NAA flag: "It should possibly be ... a comment ...
 
@rene on-topic or not?
 
10:38 AM
@desertnaut I'm still debating that ;)
comment on the question coming
 
@rene cool; I'm leaving this to you and @tripleee, after removing the arguably irrelevant and tags
 
yeah, I'm not 100% sold on off-topic, nor on on-topic.
 
I ran out of close votes already so I'm not much help now
 
@rene if you are not sure, I am not touching it
 
"sry for the details spam, but otherwise I couldn't post this question."
 
10:52 AM
The quality filter making SO such a bad place. You need to supply all those useless details instead of just dumping your code and people having to work it out themselves.
 
11:39 AM
@E_net4thedownvoter I see you are watching for "downvote"
 
11:52 AM
I came back to LQP today and I think I am reviewing something wrong. stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/28689040
Why are there so many delete votes on many answers?
 
@Dharman momentum, I guess :(
 
@Dharman Surprise?
 
I have noticed that people tend to delete vote code only answers and often even similar answers posted within same time frame on new questions, many should not get to the queue, or am I wrong that code only is still an answer, even if poor? by the way @Dharman already seen some of your answers in the queue, people mark everything as vlq I guess
 
I wanted to edit some but I see that most are already edited by you
@Ruli How dare they?
 
12:01 PM
@Dharman ofc I voted for deletion on those.
 
AFAIK, there are nothing in the guidelines suggesting that code-only answers should be flagged or something. I am wondering how so many of them end up in the review queue
 
Most code only answers are put in the review queue by the system
There is a heuristic that checks the length of the post and the amount of non-code text
 
Then, why? Why this system behavior is OK, while when I flag such a question it is declined? This sends an ambivalent message
 
but people still del vote, even if the answer is OK, Ive seen this many times, I am curious if this can be prevented
 
Sounds inconsistent
@Ruli yes, I am afraid that when a post finds its way into the review queue, a different momentum kicks in ("probably it is garbage")
 
12:05 PM
@desertnaut The system is dumb. It doesn't know whether the post is gibberish or badly-formatted. Low-length is often a sign that this post is not an answer. The system puts it into the queue hoping that humans will evaluate it properly
The queue isn't for us to delete vote them posts. It is for us to decide whether it needs deletion or not
 
@Dharman but I have seen many lengthy code-only posts, too
 
@desertnaut Only code and no explanation is one of the heuristics
 
cannot see an entry for "code-only posts that are not short"; am I missing something?
 
Where?
 
in the link you posted and in the help center linked from there
 
12:08 PM
It's not there. In my answer I explained that some posts are put into the queue automatically
 
@Dharman this is exactly what I currently do not understand, how lengthy code-only posts end up in the review queue
 
Rough estimate of what the system looks for: 1. Is the length of the post less than 2 lines? 2. Is there any text outside the code block? 3. Is the post mostly a link? 4. Does it contain certain trigger words?
 
That's why you should always add "Try this" to your answer ;)
 
SE designed their system with much less effort than Natty or NAABot. They don't flag the posts so they don't risk declined flags. They put stuff into the queue even if there is a remote chance that it could be NAA
I think even Try this might not be enough. Exact rules are not known.
 
try it :P
 
12:21 PM
Will this Roomba with a 0 vote tally on the Q? stackoverflow.com/q/66702249/2943403
 
@mickmackusa Yes, this will Roomba in a few days
 
Thx
 
I have the Roomba userscript, but it doesn't work on my phone; is there any simple on-line utility or similar I could use to examine the Roomba status of a post when I'm on mobile?
 
 
1:37 PM
I see "It is not working".....I dv and move on....sheesh....still working on gaining the ability to read minds.....but it is not working. {flies way}
 
1:56 PM
this marked it as not NAA? One more reviewer mark it as NAA. I need your opinion please
 
@EsTeAa Looks like a comment on the solution proposed in this answer. In such cases rather choose a custom flag to explain or maybe leave a comment linking to the other answer and hope the mod sees it. Without context it looks like an answer to the question.
 
@JeanneDark Yongju Lee ansser is about change UTF8MB4_BIN to utf8mb4_general_ci and that answer is utf8_bin to utf8_general_ci, there are something differnet :)
 
@bad_coder looks like it to me
 
mck
2:01 PM
When there are so many thanks on a post: i.stack.imgur.com/n6xNd.png
 
@mck it's not often to still find such cases these days
 
2:14 PM
@mck Thank you, that solved my problem
 
I flagged this as NAA but is it potentially worse?
 
@JeanneDark probably incomplete spam meta.stackexchange.com/a/362999/347191
 
Thanks!
 
2:39 PM
@Dharman looks like OP translated
 
Good for them
 
does that count as recent activity?
 
yes
not explicitly written anywhere, but this is the general understanding
 
FAQ rule #11: "are a bad example used to justify other posts that are off-topic and/or low-quality"
 
2:50 PM
apple.stackexchange.com/questions/259298/… only have 20 rep so i cant even leave a comment, but this answer doesnt work anymore (Apple Mail app removed Outboxes, was just trying to do this myself to prevent a malicious sender from receiving my deny)
 
you have posted this in the wrong chat room.
 
@JarekLupinski SOCVR only covers SO. Maybe try one of those chatrooms
 
ping @Machavity? in #11 when you got a min, not urgent :-)
 
Can I help?
 
need a mod, a regular in /11/php locked himself out of his account :-P
 
3:01 PM
lol
 
forgot his login email address, amazingly
 
3:19 PM
@DaveRandom While I appreciate your feeling of urgency, SOCVR doesn't permit pinging moderators out of the blue for moderator-related issues. Please see FAQ #18. As for the issue specifically, it sounds like something for which the user will need to use the contact us link, as locking yourself out of your account isn't really something which a moderator can really help with (i.e. it's going to take an employee).
Just as a point of information, a user is forever pingable in any room in which they have a non-deleted message. You can always ping them by replying to a message they posted in the room.
 
@Makyen at best, chat-wise, it would be better to ask in Room 200251 (which Dave has access to), but I agree that's an employee issue not a moderator issue
 
@TylerH Yes, that's why I was pinging Dave in that room to remind them about it.
 
this is an answer?
 
@Makyen apologies, I will use the correct room next time (and read harder)
 
@Makyen something something race conditions :-)
 
3:29 PM
I like conditions.
Not race conditions, though.
 
@DaveRandom np. It happens from time to time. Don't worry about it, but thanks for using an alternate method another time.
Hmmm... I should have explicitly said, for those reading the transcript who might generalize to other situations: The normal method of contacting moderators is to use flags. I do, however, understand that in this case you wanted a specific moderator, due to that moderator having specific prior involvement.
 
@TylerH np. Stuff happens :;
 
@Makyen Guidance: flag a post of the mod in question with this text: please tell the OP their presence is needed in room 11
 
@rene That would work, although I'd add something like: "... for a moderation-related issue for which they have specific prior knowledge", just to make sure the moderator that's handling it understands it's a moderation issue and doesn't have to go investigate to figure out that it is.
 
3:43 PM
Meh, you're trying to be helpful. Don't do that ... ;)
I propose a mod-chat-routing system with flags
 
Chat flags in general need work
 
I was not even talking about chat-flags, yet ....
 
@rene :)
@rene That could be useful.
 
It feels like that question is just trolling, maybe I am just paranoid at this point
 
4:26 PM
Is there any way to see my request over 20k who delete my request. Any SEDE @rene I am below 20k.
 
@Shree nope, for deleted posts we hardly have data, certainly not posthistory or even who owns a post
 
@rene Thanks. I want to see my delete request and don't find who delete it.
 
And if you search the graveyard?
 
I try to search and dont find @JeanneDark . I know about it
 
4:37 PM
@Braiam Thanks GOt it. Everything new to learn on SO.
Save URL :P
 
mck
Finally got my second hammer in \o/
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@mck congrats!
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Congrats
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@mck 🔨🔨
 
TylerH bit me for congrats but its not fair and get star . :)
 
mck
4:50 PM
@Shree I'll give you a star :)
 
@Shree stars are like rep, they dont matter :-)
 
*_*
 
I'm not permitted to post reopen-pls requests for questions I answered, correct?
 
@TylerH Dont need star it's just joke.
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica Yes
 
4:54 PM
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica where is link ?
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica That's correct. You're considered involved in that case.
 
5:11 PM
@mck mck hammer congrats :D
 
5:47 PM
"You can only flag for moderator attention 100 times per day" :(
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This looks like trollery (out of flags)
 
@JeanneDark Ugh. And I'm out of close votes
 
That's frustrating. 40 close votes, 100 flags etc. by far not enough
 
@JeanneDark It's actually 50 close votes, but a max of 40 reviews in the close votes review queue. Not that I've done any reviews in the queue today. But still, there's plenty more closable content out there.
 
6:06 PM
@tripleee You could try the following bookmarklet, which will load RoombaForecaster into the current page:
javascript:void($.get( 'https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/gh/makyen/StackExchange-userscripts/Roomba-Forecaster/RoombaForecaster.user.js', '', null, 'text').then((response) => {const scriptText = `(function() {const GM = {getValue:async ()=>'{"scrapePage":false, "showShortRoombaStatus":true, "useTooltip":true, "showShortReasons":false, "showIfDownvoteWillRoomba":true, "alwaysShowRoombaTable":false, "disabledScraping201910OriginalScrapePage":true, "disabledScraping201910":true}', setValue:async () => {}};\n${response}\n})()`; const scriptEl = document.createElement('script'); scriptEl.id = 'RoombaFor
 
@Makyen And if you switch SCE to AUX in that code it flies you to the moon ....
 
lol :)
 
6:19 PM
@JeanneDark yeah, they should up it to 100 cvs per day
 
Someone just answered a question on Meta with only 1 rep point. Did the requirements change? They don't have any recent activity that implies their rep might be higher that what's currently showing.
It's the Magnusbilling question though that answer might not last long since it's really just a comment.
Sorry, I should have scrolled up. I didn't realize y'all were already talking about that one.
 
@BSMP It was migrated from the main site
 
@Machavity Oh, the answer was already there from when it was on main. Thanks.
 
6:38 PM
@BSMP you can also create a free team to unlock Meta access ...
Just in case you ever drop below 5 rep ...
 
@BSMP It could have answered before migration.
 
@BSMP The answer was on the post before it was migrated to meta.
oops, missed you already got that reply. Need to stop speed reading :(
 
Speed reading is fine if you take it slowly.
 
Or if latency is high :D
 
@Makyen Wait, that's more like 2-3 weeks. rene's gonna need a new saying soon at this rate...
 
@Makyen huzzah
@Machavity 8 - 6 (read as 8 minus 6) weeks will work
 
@Machavity Nah, rene's good. The Meta was posted in January, so we're in the 6–8 range. :)
Given that the 6–8 doesn't have any units, aren't we always in that range, even if we have to be creative about the units? :)
@Machavity OTOH, I am both surprised and pleased with the relatively short delay from it being marked to being .
 
@Makyen Maybe they listened to you ;)
 
One can hope. :;
 
8:25 PM
 
mck
8:36 PM
@mck no more CV
 
8:58 PM
Should this answer be flagged? If so, which flag? xD
 
@AdrianMole hmmmmm...I'm almost inclined to say leave it, because it is a valid solution to the problem in at least some circumstances...
 
That's what I thought. But I considered it worthy of an overview from the good folks of SOCVR. :)
... just love the 'code snippets', BTW.
 
Got an upvote XD
 
Also in "apparently not NAA," I got a declined custom flag on this one. Which is completely unintelligible (that line of code doesn't appear in the question). (based on the error, the question seems to be a typo of some sort where the asker has confused LinearLayoutManager with LinearLayout...but how is unclear, because it's missing any relevant code)
 
@RyanM Just close the question.
 
9:03 PM
@Braiam I voted to close it, but it's not eligible for a cv-pls due to lack of recent activity.
 
 
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