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12:01 AM
@ChrisCatignani: this may be relevant: How do I unfreeze a frozen chat room?
Although it is kind of old
@ChrisCatignani: here is a meta.stackoverflow post that is much more recent: How do I unfreeze a chat room?
 
12:23 AM
I want this meta comment to be posted as an answer (because there are too many comments, I usually skip over it, but I agree more with the comment (the "post your own" part) than the posted answer, and think that it would be useful to... you know what I mean), but the op is away for a while. What should I do?
Regarding that, what do you think about 1 and 2?
 
12:38 AM
@HovercraftFullOfEels Thanks for the info...I had done this before but forgot.
 
 
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@user202729 I personally disagree with most of the now-old pages on MSO that say things like "don't work about it commented answers" or "steal the comment's insights". They do nothing to solve the problem of un-downvotable noise in the comments, page abandonment by the OP, and misuses of the UI. I am currently callingout/whistle-blowing users who plainly resolve questions in comments.
There are caveats, of course. If you are dropping a regex pattern in a comment because you aren't sure if it handles all occurrences, then I expect to see an explicit question in the comment -- "does this work for all of your expected inputs?" Or if the solution is "remove the semi-colon", then I expect the comment to also state that they have flagged as Off-topic: Typo and do not intend to answer.
If a question is not clear enough to answer, then the correct action is flag/vote to close as Unclear.
If you are too lazy or don't have enough time to post a complete answer, then DON'T hang about looking at questions on SO. If you don't have the energy to post an answer, then visit the Review Queues, they don't require as much typing/toil to contribute.
These are my old thoughts that mostly reflect my current throughts. meta.stackexchange.com/a/296481/352329
 
@Makyen That one is for main posts right? Does it apply for meta posts? cc @mickmackusa
Thanks for the reply anyway.
 
3:49 AM
@user202729 It applies to Q&A in general. Why would it apply to main and not Meta?
 
@user202729 Meta is far noisier than Main for resolving questions via comments. I don't mind Meta being very noisy because I don't use it very often and on "discusson" questions, you get more hybridizing of thoughts through comments. I would guess a lot of people post comments because they can only be upvoted and never downvoted -- this provides a shield against the large volume of downvoters on Meta.
 
4:00 AM
As someone who occasionally search the meta site to find policy on how to handle things, it would be better if they're easier to search for. Reading the 20+ comments is tiring.
 
@user202729 You are not wrong about that impact on readers.
 
4:12 AM
If I vote to close a question, can I then get that post as a review item in the Close queue? Similarly, if a question gets closed, and I cast one of the close votes, can I get that question as a review item in the Reopen queue?
 
4:28 AM
This probably has the same answer as the second part: if I vote to reopen a question, and it gets reopened, can I then be presented with that item in the Close Votes Queue? (assuming of course that there were no edits between the post getting reopened, and it being presented to me in the queue).
 
5:12 AM
^ on topic? I think it is more suited on Ethereum.SE
👍
 
@Yatin don't think it would be welcome there either (not a regular there). it's asking for ethers to be sent to OP...
 
Yeah, that is why I hesitated before leaving a comment under it...
 
Careful! The benchmark is wrong, because the array is not reset between each execution. Since the shift() has emptied the array after the first execution, all the subsequent executions are indeed extremely fast :p When you correctly reset the array, it appears that this solution is the second slowest. jsbench.me/4dklq1kjef/1Pitouli 2 hours ago
^ probably thats why
 
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5:28 AM
@cigien (1) No. (2)Used to be yes, but looks like it's now no, based on the most recent info in here.
@cigien I've seen no info reported on this case.
 
6:06 AM
ISTR there was a rule that a cv-pls could be repeated if it's about to expire, but I can't find it in the FAQ. Do I misremember?
 
How does a cv-pls technically "expire"?
 
@mickmackusa sorry for the confusion; the FAQ calls it "expiration" when stuff gets moved to the Graveyard, but I was actually thinking of the situation when the close vote I submitted is about to be removed as too old
 
@mickmackusa requests without action for long time are moved to graveyard. socvr.org/faq#what-is-graveyard. Not sure what the time limit is though
 
oh now I found the item in the FAQ which I was looking for; "After your initial request has been moved out of the room as "expired" (i.e. the requested action was never completed), you may repost the request a single time."
2
 
6:30 AM
^ tagged jquery
 
7:51 AM
Lol looks like someone mass upvoted me. Sadly this fame won't last long :p
 
8:44 AM
@Yatin just enjoy the 5 minutes of fame ;)
 
Should this be flagged in any way? It turned this comment (of another user) into an answer
 
9:01 AM
@Tomerikoo meh, but attribution would be nice, Just edit the attribution in. Not worth a flag.
 
@rene Yeah my thought too. Will edit it thanks
 
9:49 AM
@karel Just wondering, why did you answer it and then send a request here?
 
@karel if you're involved you can no longer post a request here. Please see rule 15: socvr.org/faq#GEfM-no-requests-youre-involved
I'll run the clean-up script now, so it gets moved due to it being handled
 
10:07 AM
@eyllanesc and @HovercraftFullOfEels and @sideshowbarker a question you closed is being discussed on meta.
 
10:28 AM
@sideshowbarker you have short memory for the posts you do a cv-pls for? ;)
anyway, @sideshowbarker @eyllanesc @HovercraftFullOfEels a post you cv-pls-ed is brought up on MSE: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/361562
 
(it's on MSO too, as Jeanne already said :) )
 
The MSE post has been closed
 
its in MSO now
 
Oh, missed that
sorry
I need more focus coffee
 
No problem.... I'll fetch the weedkiller
 
10:33 AM
sdc coffee rene
 
@SurajRao brews a cup of Macchiato for @rene
 
closed and reopened
Other question is for validating 18x20 very different from this question — anubhava 4 hours ago
 
@mickmackusa stop targeting users here in this room.
 
@rene Yeah, I intentionally re-cv-pls’d it 24 hours later. Is that forbidden? In the FAQ, I couldn’t find any explicit prohibition against it
 
@sideshowbarker I doubt we allow that while the other request is still active.
 
10:40 AM
ah OK
well I won’t do it again, then
 
What in the world?!? I am talking about a page that should be closed. I am not picking on Wiktor! I am saying his answer on an earlier page covers both answers on the new page. I feel the page is justifiably closed. Am I allowed to ask for it to be re-closed?
Am I not allowed to use users' names while I explain myself?!?
 
@mickmackusa You aren't since you once already voted to close it as a duplicate and it was closed.
 
I am targetting a page.
 
No, not if you call them all kind of names
 
What name did I call them?
What is happening?
 
10:44 AM
Updated FAQ rule #15: "You are "involved" in any post for which you have voted in a successful action to change the state of the post to the same state for which you are considering posting a request. In other words, if you've close-voted a question and that vote was the vote, or one of the votes, which caused the question to be closed, you may not post a cv-pls if the question is later reopened."
 
@mickmackusa We're not going to repeat that here, find the message in /dev/null/
@mickmackusa unfortunately you can't re-request a cv-pls where you already were involved, see the rule 15 Jeanne linked you to.
 
I labeled a behavior, not a person. It was an opinion. No one has to agree with it. Compare the dupe page with the new page. This is an injustice.
 
Oh come on, don't give me that kind of ****
Just don't label persons then
 
My careful and correct curation time has been wasted.
 
Sure, that can happen with enough goldbadgers around with their own opinion.
None of the goldbadgers in those tags seem to agree what correct curation means
 
11:34 AM
Should probably be deleted as well (no roomba)...
 
 
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12:36 PM
 
Would you consider this spam?
 
@JeanneDark yes
 
@JeanneDark Both red flags go well there, I believe
 
Thanks!
 
12:58 PM
Morning
 
2:02 PM
In this should I rollback to rev2 or rev1? They self answered so it is ok to take it to rev 1
 
revison 2.. OP already added as separate answer. Otherwise use content to create community wiki
 
Ok
 
also self answer is in revision 3
 
😅 Messed the numbering
 
2:41 PM
dat new review screen
where's the moved cheese pitchfork-wielding change-averse crew? :p
 
They got cheesed-off? ;-P
 
maybe I'm in some kind of A/B testing advance party
 
Yeah! A -> ∞ and B -> 0.
 
What about this answer and the question? Is it just NAA? And the question - debugging details (nothing but an error message)?
 
2:48 PM
I think fine, they're not asking for help fixing it, they're asking the cause
 
Ok, thanks!
 
The answer I was tempted by the R/A button, but went NAA
 
The answer sounds pretty right as well, although a bit on-the-nose
 
Also applicable for del-pls
 
@Dharman I pre-empted your forthcoming request!
 
2:53 PM
@AdrianMole I was going to let Jeanne post it
 
@mickmackusa If you want to make a request, do so without focusing on people or their behavior. Focusing on the content of the post has always been the rule here. That being said, however, once you've voted to close/delete a post and it has been closed/deleted as a result of that action, you're considered involved and cannot request (or re-request) that action again here (as Jeanne already pointed out). This is a relatively new update, however, so I don't blame you for not being aware beforehand.
 
3:05 PM
@JeanneDark a Meta heads up: it is always a guess but for 1 rep users that "reached their question limit" the other most likely relevant dupe is meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/271542 . It took me a while to figure that out because the wording is so similar. Just to prevent you get too many "No, that doesn't answer my question". My 0,02€
 
@rene Thank you!
 
 
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4:25 PM
@Makyen Thanks. I haven't seen that discussion in here recently. I must have missed it. If it's not possible then the case in the next message shouldn't be possible either it seems.
@Makyen I just saw this case happen on Meta. Unless there's some reason to make the system different on Meta vs Main in the regard, I imagine this can happen on Main as well. I'll post a Meta asking about this; I can't find a discussion of it anywhere.
 
Weird... about two years ago I posted Broken (invalid?) link in the [church-encoding] tag. The description wasn't really great, so the tag description was blitzed along with the link to a free book. And today the author of the book that had a broken link posted an answer in that question.
I wonder if it's appropriate to add a new link to the tag description?
 
5:00 PM
@VLAZ yeah, why not. You're not a spammer right?
 
Umm *tries to hide piles of canned pork meat*. Of course not. I love the chicken. And the cow. And putting meat in a can is murder!
 
5:16 PM
 
6:23 PM
 
7:24 PM
Would you say that this answer does not address the question? stackoverflow.com/a/66428257/6699433
 
I would not, because I don't know C :-)
Certainly a conundrum, because on the one hand you have multiple upvotes and a checkmark from OP. But on the other, you have a subject matter expert in C telling you it doesn't address the crux of the question...
 
@TylerH Yep, and while that user is EXTREMELY skilled, he tend to be a bit nitpicking :)
 
seems like maybe you answered your own question already based on that comment... maybe :-)
 
Yeah, we have had loads of discussions whether everything you say needs to be 100% correct or not. I have the view that you can say things that are almost correct to achieve a pedagogic point.
 
Those conversations (and people) can indeed be rather tiresome
though I would think a general "this misses the point" comment is a bit different
 
7:37 PM
I think it went to far when I wrote something like "It's not valid C. Oh well, the C standard allows extensions, but the standard does not define these constructs. It's entirely implementation defined" and got the complaint on the "It's not valid C" part.
 
I mean to be fair, they've a point there
:-P
Maybe "it's not valid vanilla C"
or "out of the box" or whatever term you use to describe C without extensions
 
@TylerH Yes, I agree. It's not 100% correct. My point is that taken the whole paragraph into consideration, that specific detail is not extremely important.
In this example, OP wondered what C99 had to say about that, and I wanted to strongly emphasize that the standard is completely wrong place to look at.
 
especially since it's 2021, no...
 
7:54 PM
@TylerH Don't get me wrong. I really love his answers. It's just that I think that SO has room for answers with another approach.
 
8:24 PM
@DavidW I missed that. We shouldn't edit translations in for that reason
 
I deleted my message - it wasn't quite right. The original user translated it but left the portuegese too. The edit just removed that remenant
 
Wait, the OP did edit it in. They just made the mistake of appending it to the original question. So it's fine
 
 
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9:37 PM
lol, managers
got an email from one asking to remove a licensed software app from one user's machine because they're no longer using it and put it on another user's machine
I asked "OK, is user A aware of this change (getting a program removed)"
they responded "no, let me reach out first and verify they are no longer using it"
shouldn't you.... verify that before you tell someone to do something?
@dippas OP has translated -- does it still need detail/clarity?
@TylerH and on top of that, the user just responded "yes I still use that app regularly"
facepalm
 
@TylerH Details, details. At least they didn't arrogantly declare that they were right, only to have that user come complain that they can't do their job anymore
 
Yeah, luckily I don't have to deal with managers who are that bad
 
@TylerH I don't expect managers to remove anything from my workstation without informing me first. What would happen if I need it?!
 
back to paper and pencil I would say. That is a lot cheaper ...
 
To add insult to the injury, I bet that it would have been my fault that I didn't inform that I use it
 
9:55 PM
@Braiam Of course. It's like the UK Tax Office: If they make a mistake and take too little money from you, then you are liable for prosecution for not noticing and telling them they were in error.
Didn't Meta used to be fun, or was that in an alternate reality?
 
Meta used to be murder, now it's just disappointment and salt
 
Ah! Who needs pitchforks? Death by disappointment and salt!
Maybe my comments of late have been a bit too humorous? They get TinyVotes™, then get erased. :(
 
10:20 PM
@Braiam sure, to be fair the process would have been me reaching out to the user saying "so and so instructed me to remove this software from your computer because you aren't using it anymore and they need the license for someone else. Let me know when you're ready for me to remove it", it wouldn't have been like you show up to work one day and poof it's just gone
that is how we handle large removal of applications from the environment (SCCM) but also notices are sent out to users well ahead of time for stuff like that
(e.g. Adobe Flash Player)
 
10:53 PM
@klutt This room kindly requests that you not speak about users. Labeling them or their behavior (as "skilled" or "nitpicking") may be interpretted as a label on the person. I got kicked out of this room yesterday after alleging that a user's behavior seemed "selfish". I assume being complimentary in your assessment of user could be interpretted as labeling too. Tread carefully.
 

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