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01:18
@HenryEcker I was going to say from the first 2 answers the question could be deemed a resource request, but then come a few answers about using IDE specific built-in tools. A possible close reason would be "lacks focus" because it doesn't specify an OS, but it is tagged Windows. So that's where my expertise stops since I'm not sure if specifying Windows alone with DLL lacks focus...
@miken32 can you check if this cv-pls still applies?
02:00
@bad_coder No it does not. Sorry I should have asked for it to be removed after the poster clarified and I retracted my vote.
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03:34
@bad_coder Or maybe Details or Clarity because it doesn't specify a specific IDE? I don't know but it seemed almost all of the answers just link to various tools. My understanding of the recommendations closure reason is to avoid link only/opinion based answers which is why I went with that close option, but if that was inappropriate I'm open to changing it.
04:26
@HenryEcker well the CV was a good call. I've looked at it but can't vote, the decision boils down to if it's always possible to extract some interface from a DLL or if that is mostly language dependent. In the later case closing would be the right choice (so yes, details and clarity for lack of language specifics if they apply to DLLs).
@miken32 no problem, I sometimes loose track of my requests. Although this week I've checked up on pending request and decided to ask after opening that post a few times.
 
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07:16
@SurajRao looks like it, yes
@HenryEcker Okay... what the heck do they want? Suddenly they are talking about idempotent operations.
07:58
Is this question really unclear? The way I see it, OP does ask a clear, concise and answerable question. It does not seem that this is what they wanted to ask, but that's another story. I do not want to reopen-vote since I am biased (posted an answer).
It seemed clear enough to me in rev1. rev5 is a bit messy though. Also, OP seems to have cast a CV as well, which is uncommon.
@cigien Why is rev5 messy? Because of the code? I do not see how the code makes the question unclearer. with regards to the close-vote by OP... that does not make it less or more correct or wrong.
08:16
No, the code is fine. It just doesn't seem necessary to me, but I don't really know the subject well. And yeah, whether the OP feels it should be closed doesn't change whether it should be closed or not, I was just commenting on the unusualness of the post. BTW, you can still vote to reopen; in fact, if you answered the question, you think it's clear enough, so voting to reopen makes sense. You just can't post a request for that here.
08:38
@cigien I know that I can. But it feels... wrong.
08:51
is this on topic? It doesn't seem to have much with programming, rather networking, but I am unsure
@Ruli yes, looks off-topic. Might be suitable for superuser
10:13
@gparyani I'm just gonna give a quick "rule of thumb" here. You all too often come across people with opinions who don't know what they're talking about. But I'll tell you this, the contributors on this page more likely than not, know their editing.
@gparyani those were basically the editors I watched closely when deciding on my criteria. Because hey, if they're doing it it's probably right. Now lets do some simple math, take for example someone who in 5 years edited as many posts as some of the editors on the leaderboard might edit in a few of weeks.
How many years would it take the former to catch up with the later?
10:53
@bad_coder Just to be clear, my earlier messages in the Tavern were in no way a complaint. I was just confused by your edit summaries and wanted clarification, and was wondering why you preferred footer links, and you provided those explanations.
I then later went on to explain why my personal preference was inline links, but later stated to use any link style you prefer. There was someone else who misstated that there was a hard rule to use inline links, which I refuted.
A moderator there has issued a ruling, so let's conclude this discussion.
11:12
@gparyani hey I know, but you can't have a frank discussion if the room doesn't allow it. You can count the number of accusations (misguided btw) against me that came from a normal chat. Again, the simple math, that's one accusation per sentence (frankly an appalling ratio) and I'm not counting what you wrote.
 
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13:20
stackoverflow.com/q/68218602/4826457 Is this No MRE? All three answers are asking some question or the other.. Also NATO
13:36
@HenryEcker I have to disagree with this... Read the question again; they aren't requesting an off-site resource.
One of those questions which do not ask for offsite resources but answers do recommend them.
Yeah not a valid close reason
@Turing85 Why is that "General Computing"? Wouldn't a developer tool fall under the category of tools used by developers?
@CodyGray hmm...I am a little bit torn on this one
13:52
Why? It's called a developer tool. Do you not believe it is a tool commonly used by software developers?
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@CodyGray allright, convinced. Redacted
14:39
@Ruli Please explain how a "developer tool" does not fall under the category of "software tools commonly used by programmers".
14:51
@CodyGray my assumption was that this question asks about network analysis tool. That seemed more networking but hardly programming. I may be incorrect, that's why I asked in the morning. The only reply supported my assumption. You have by far more experience than me, so if I am incorrect, please remove the cv-pls request.
Well, it seems obvious to me. That it is a developer tool is right there in the name, and, in my experience, programmers do commonly use this tool. I'm not even a web developer, and I've used it myself countless times when writing and debugging userscripts. I'm confused at how it seems so obvious to me that it's a programming tool, yet this is the second request in a short period of time to close that as off-topic.
15:08
@CodyGray well, maybe because of the body of the question, which is asking for export data from network analysis, originally asking for a tool or plugin for that for 10 years before I have edited it today.
15:32
@Ruli if it was asking for tools, request for offsite resource would be the reason. I cant see this being general computing
@CodyGray That's fine. Like I said I was open to retracting if that was incorrect.
@Tomerikoo That could've been a duplicate
16:40
@user17242583 this is being discussed in meta ...Please read 6th point here
user17242583
Sorry @Suraj, I keep making that mistake. Please ignore that request of mine.
16:53
@user17242583 Can a Room Owner remove this request - because of roolz?
user17242583
Yes certainly!! :)
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@Makyen may you please remove this request, it seems I was incorrect.
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17:33
@DavidBuck this popped out as I was ready to VTC myself (although as needs focus) :D
user17242583
Yea I voted for Davids reason but it doesn't really matter here, does it? @desertnaut
@user17242583 yeah, not really; it is good to convey the correct message to OPs, but David's reason is not invalid, too
17:56
@desertnaut Did the closure message seem familiar?
What do we do with answers to different questions, and the answerer know that? (I can only find meta posts about wrong answers.)
Avoid flagging them as NAA
@DavidBuck :D
@DavidBuck Thing is, you also got a "thanks" note from the OP (before they delete the thread) that the provided link was very helpful, something that I (very) seldom get :(
Okay, because NAA only applies to "very blatant" cases, right?
So nothing can be done?
Still, feels weird that the actual answer isn't at the top
18:03
What should be done and why? The answers you linked to seem to have been found useful by many people. Also note that the first comment you link to starts with "It answers the question in the title of the post."
Because I guess... it would be confusing for the visitor to find the first answer to answer a different question?
(by the way the title has since been edited)
@JeanneDark I doubt that bobince Zalgo answer have be found useful. Funny, probably, but useful?
Usually, the guidance is that when you come across a post you don't find useful, you downvote it.
@user202729 Then maybe the edit should be rolled back if it invalidates existing answers
... no!?
That's what OP meant in the first place
Just that the old title isn't clear enough and it happens to attract a significant number of viewers with the different question
@user202729 Once you received an answer it's too late to significantly change the question and invalidate answers. The OP should have made up their mind befor posting the question.
@Braiam I checked again, none of those links was to the zalgo answer
18:09
Hm...
Let's see, the first revision
It's not the OP 's fault.
user17242583
(And what an OP!)
Okay, that one feels like a weird special case.
Only revision 4 have the "wrong" title. (and it isn't even that wrong, just "happens to" attract a lot of Google traffic)
Your options are: 1) Downvote posts you don't find useful (like a post that you don't think answers the question) 2) Discuss on MSO 3) custom flag and explanation but I guess it'd be declined.
Okay (I don't know how many are left) (I can't find any existing site:meta.stackoverflow.com questions either, so may worth a discussion) A little downvote-risky and some effort to write
@JeanneDark Well, you are doing a generalization, I'm showing that it's not like that. People vote for any reason, including no reason. Being upvoted doesn't exempt a post form being moderated.
18:15
@Braiam I wrote "The answers you linked to..." is not a generalization that also includes the zalgo answer. Moderation, btw., in case of the zalgo answer was not to delete it but to lock it to prevent edits trying to improve the formatting
@JeanneDark You are talking about votes = useful, that's a generalization. I'm pointing out that votes are not.
Votes try to be proxy for usefulness, but be aware they are not a strong indication.
You have no other way to say that the answers "have been found useful by many people". People could upvote those answers for giggles, and no one would be the wiser.
18:41
@Braiam To be exact, I wrote "The answers you linked to seem to have been found useful by many people." and that's what they also may to a mod (who is not an SME) handling the flag. Also, these answer are obviously very much unlike the zalgo answer. Should a mod delete such an answer just because of a flag and risk being tarred and feathered on meta?
19:09
@JeanneDark I think that no one should be subject to tar and feather anywhere ever.
For any action.
Moderators afraid of using their powers because backlash is not the kind of moderators we want.
user17242583
I can never flag those posts as spam! They're deleted before I can even click "spam"!! :D
@user17242583 good old smokey doing its thing :)
user17242583
Oh, it's not a mod?
probably auto-flags
How am I supposed to get support for my Windows File Explorer problems if the posts are deleted before I can read them ... ?
19:20
You don't need support. Windows File Explorer Just Works ™
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courtesy of Raymond Chen ....
user17242583
Cool @rene - I'll consider signing up for that.
Regards in advance...
@Turing85 maybe. I'm sure Raymond got his hands on some code, given it sits close to the Shell.
@rene my comment was related to the "just works", not the code 😀 I am quite sure Todd Howard has no knowledge of the windows file explorer code
19:24
yeah, I facepalmed here ...
petalpalmed, if you wish
@user17242583 please do.
@Dharman Well, the edits are essentially OK but they do nothing to really improve the question. But, as that seems to have been submitted without the "push to reopen" option, then what's the issue? (I would improve, to add a paragraph break before "I didn't write for this" and a semicolon after that phrase.)
There was a code block for URLhaus. The editor replaced it with a link. Isn't that changing the meaning?
The code-block formatting was wrong. Adding the link is, IMHO, not harmful but actually quite useful.
Probably a moot point, though - looks like Roomba will eat it in 10 days.
user17242583
Obviously the OP doesn't have a good feel for backticks. It seems to be a skill ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Formatting non-code (like package and language names) as code is a very common problem here on SO.
19:43
@user17242583 That question doesn't appear to have any recent activity.
user17242583
Hmm...the cv-pls thing said so too, but I just gave it a shot anyway.
@user17242583 nice catch.
user17242583
But @cigien it has a close vote. ??
user17242583
I actally just clicked the sidebar (the related section), and noticed Close (1).
@user17242583 Someone may have recently cast a close vote on it. Note that you're welcome, and even encouraged, to vote to close old questions. It's just making cv-pls requests in here that's disallowed for those questions.
Oof, that question's already been through 3 close-reopen cycles.
Is this on-topic?
19:55
@cigien Nope.
This typo question is heavily upvoted
Is "typo" a typo for "type of"?
@AdrianMole Ok, thanks.
No, I am talking about that JSON question
It's suprising that people have this problem so often
19:57
Is the JSON question even a typo one? Or do folks simply not know that that usage is invalid JSON?
What JSON question?
The one the room was talking about half a page up.
OK - The one that was removed, so that it would embarrass me that I couldn't remember it.
I remembered it as a Python question.
Sorry, didn't mean to cause that ofc. :)
Talking about this one, for reference: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2835559/why-cant-python-parse-this-json-data
@BaummitAugen Given that it's only one branch and the other ones are ok, the question is definitely a typo. As to why people are finding it useful, I do not know.
20:05
@Makyen when you have some time, could you check my metasmoke settings? As of now, there were 0 posts flagged in my name (which I find suspicious)
@Turing85 Autoflagging has only been enabled from your account for about 4 days, right? It's not surprising that flags haven't been cast from your account yet (even with the recent spam wave), assuming you have the default conditions enabled.
@cigien hmok.... given that there are around 400 accounts, and >= 400 flags per day (excl. yesterday and today), I suspect that there should have been at least one flag in my name.
@cigien and since there were some... irregularities when I configured autoflagging, I just want to be sure that there isn't something wrong with the configuration
@Dharman True enough. Maybe a common typo, then.
Closed, but not deleted is a fine outcome anyway I would say; it doesn't need more answers and does attract problematic ones.
user17242583
@Dharman it's not just one branch; masks and parameters are objects that are using [ and ] instead of { and }, in stackoverflow.com/q/2835559
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20:21
@BaumMitAugen I'm curious - are you, as a mod, able to delete such a highly upvoted question with so many and such highly voted answers, with one click? I'm assuming yes, but I'm actually not quite sure.
@user17242583 Yes, I am.
Well, it's two, there's a confirmation dialogue, depending on the interface from which I click delete. =D
user17242583
Wow, that's so cool (and really scary!)
I agree it's cool, but why is it scary? :)
user17242583
I guess it isn't very scarry with the confirmation. It seemed scary because what if you accidentally click it...but of course, you could undelete it...
20:35
@Turing85 I'm sorry for the delay. I was called away in RL. Your configuration appears to be fine. I probably would have expected a flag or two at this point, given the relatively large number which have been raised over the last few days, but it's not all that unusual for there to have not been any.
Autoflags are allocated randomly, with some weighting. The weighting is that if the user is strongly active in the Charcoal project, then it's somewhat more likely for their flags to be used. The general assumption is that people strongly active in the project are more likely be around in chat to deal with any possible false positive (to manually evaluate and, potentially, retract the flag) than someone who set up autoflagging and forgot about it. :;
@Makyen no problem 😀 didn't expect an immediate response. Thank you for checking. As a feature request: can we have a "test configuration"-button to validate that the config works, i.e. that the user can be selected for flagging based on their current settings?
@Turing85 That already exists. It's just done on a post by post basis. The flag logs page for each post has an "Eligible Flaggers" button.
20:56
@Makyen noice! I am listed as eligible 😀 thanks a lot
21:19
@Makyen the "flags casted" in the autoflag dashboard... are those the number of questions flagged or the actual number of flags casted?
@Turing85 Fixed, is it still too broad?
@Dharman ?
@Makyen There appears to be a moderator in that list of "Eligible Flaggers". Is that right?
@Dharman you mean for this question? No, not really. I asked OP to add their attempt(s).
... and a Community Manager?
21:23
@Turing85 Yes, that question. It doesn't look like there is any attempt, but lack of it is also not a valid close reason.
@Dharman primary reason I want to see an attempt is that the question is too unfocused. It can be sub-divided into at least two questions: - how to flatten the arrays, and - how to sort the flattened array.
I suspect that OP has solved one problem and needs help on the other problem.
I think if someone has Java hammer they can hammer it as a duplicate
@HovercraftFullOfEels ☝️
@AdrianMole Yeah, but there's a check in place to ensure that a flag is not cast from a user's account if they're a moderator on that site. I assume the same check goes for CMs.
21:31
@cigien I assumed that; but a CM has mod status on every site.
@HovercraftFullOfEels don't you have the java mjolnir?
@Turing85: I already voted to close that question for lacking focus
@HovercraftFullOfEels hmm... so you cannot hammer it as dupe anymore?
user17242583
Finished it off @Turing85 :)
@AdrianMole Yeah, so I guess a CM's account never ends up being used for autoflagging. I can't find an easy way to filter flag logs by user, unfortunately.
@Turing85 May I ask why? The OP is clearly asking how to flatten a 2D array. Would the question have been any clearer, or in any way more useful, if the OP had added an attempt?
21:43
@cigien Flattening the array is only one part. Sorting is the other. My suspicion is that they got it flattened, but struggle with (simultaneously) sorting the array.
It's a bold assumption...
Either way, it looks like we don't really need that question, so closed one way or another is ok
@Dharman that's why I asked for clarification in the comments and did not put my assumption forward ;)
Ok I did not "ask" as in "ask a question", but I requested more information.
@Turing85 Ok, thanks for clarifying. I often find that OP's broken attempts make things more confusing than clearer (unless it's a debugging question, of course), but it can improve things sometimes I suppose.
@cigien My core argument is that the question contains two questions. Depending on how we see it, we can either close it for missing details (what is the actual problem? Flattening or sorting?) or for being unfocused (containing (at least) two questions). I will try to be more thorough with my comments accomodating my close-vote.
accomodating = accompanying
22:02
@Turing85 No, once you spend a close-vote, the vote cannot be changed
@Turing85 Yeah, I'm not actually disagreeing with that really, nor the close vote. I'm just wondering if having the OP provide an attempt would help at all, and I'm not sure it would.
@HovercraftFullOfEels hmok... good to know. Thanks for the clarification.
22:27
Please let me know if anyone feels that this SD reported question represents spam?
I'm not sure and so have not flagged it as such.
@HovercraftFullOfEels I thinkt to be able to tell whether it's spam or not, one must be able to read arabic. Aside from the link, the post is just... some text. I am unable to identify a question.
@HovercraftFullOfEels The text of the question seems to be a copy-paste from stackoverflow.com/q/7886649
So I strongly suspect it's spam
@khelwood Nice catch, thanks.
22:46
@HovercraftFullOfEels but that isn't the same user! </irony>
@Turing85, @khelwood, thanks for checking it out!
are optimization-questions out-of-scope for StackOverflow?
Not all optimization questions
What about this one? I feel that the optimization goal is not clearly defined. I would post my comment in an answer if I knew that it would "fix" the problem.
@Turing85 I think that that issue is now a moot point :D
22:58
Great. OP commented "thank you" and delted the question...
23:33
.dae viewer in PC or online? this is seeking recommendations? (NATO)
23:48
@HenryEcker It looks that way to me

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