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12:00 AM
Fun fact: an alternative name for the "fleißiges Lieschen" (busy Lizzy) is also "Hochdruckpumpe" (high preasure pump).
 
Happy 02122021
 
@Makyen I had 3 such directories, that was 3 HD critical failures ago... I'll have to get my own cloud repository some day.
 
@CodyGray "Search", or find . -name "*foobar*" -print is my friend. :)
 
Or, in the USA, Happy 12022021
 
@Turing85 Yeah, I was going to ask whether you were referring to the flower or something else that escaped me. The flower is known in English as an "impatiens", so I thought maybe it was a pun on a lack of patience for these types of comments.
@AdrianMole I think this definitively proves the US date format is better: it made a palindrome!
 
12:02 AM
@bad_coder That would probably be a good thing to do. At a minimum, it lets you have access to them from other locations and serves as a backup in case your local copy dies.
 
@CodyGray its more common name of the thing i meant is "V3"... Don't wanna spell it out.
 
@Makyen my current solution is 2HD's and a Pen drive unsynchornized scheduled backups. But I'm thinking on expanding that if I can get a no-cost easy to use cloud solution (lack of time to try stuff out is the limiting factor for me.)
 
Having cross-culture date format issues? 📅📅📅 Call 02-12-2021 📅📅📅 aNd $$we can $$help. We do accept CoINbase but prefer QuickBucks.
 
back to code o/
 
@AdrianMole Probably should be careful with lurking moderators whose trigger fingers already primed. ;-)
 
12:08 AM
so... short question about the autoflag settings... I set mine to minimum weight 200, and maximum rep 50. Reports an accuracy of 99,81%. Is raising the min rep recommended?
 
Funnily enough, those are the exact same settings I just set mine to. Most spam comes from 1-rep users, though, so that condition probably isn't so important.
 
Okay. Now we sit and wait for Smokey to do its thing... at 400 users and 400ish votes/day, it seems like everyone chips in one vote per day on average.
 
Smokey has cast 5 or 6 flags on my behalf in the past 30 days. But I only today lowered the weight, so I'll see what difference that makes over the next few days.
But I would imagine that pretty much all of this latest batch will be considered suitable candidates for auto-flagging.
And, at some point, I would like to think that the official SO SpamRam will start to stop them.
 
What do you think it is waiting for?
 
I don't know. How often is it updated?
 
12:16 AM
Whenever a post reaches the threshold due to flags and is removed as spam.
 
I would assume that moderators have spoken to staff about this.
 
In fact, I did, yesterday, in significant depth, in a conversation lasting probably over an hour.
I did not talk to the official SO SpamRam, though. I do not think she was available for comment.
 
She? Isn't a "Ram" a he.
 
@AdrianMole did you just assume their gender?
 
You're thinking of sheep. This is more like a battering ram.
 
12:19 AM
Well, being Welsh, I have a thing for sheep.
 
... too much information...
 
Completely understandable, but please avoid making eyes at the spam-fighting infrastructure.
 
... can we talk about time zones again?
 
@Turing85 What time zone do sheep use, anyway?
 
@CodyGray I don't know. Ask Adrian Star-nosed Mole. They are the one having "a thing" for sheeps...
 
12:24 AM
 
12:56 AM
You can ewes whatever time zone ewe like.
 
 
1 hour later…
 
1 hour later…
 
2 hours later…
6:05 AM
lots and lots of homework. Its not the weekend yet
 
 
1 hour later…
7:22 AM
@DavidBuck interesting race condition when an answer is deleted and converted to a comment as it's migrated
 
7:47 AM
@RyanM I see what you mean. I still have the question open with the answer showing as deleted on SO, but it's there MSO (although they may wish it had been deleted looking at the voting).
 
The link has been removed in an edit, but please have look, I think it was spam: stackoverflow.com/a/70195651/2227743 ?
 
@DavidBuck Ironically, it's not an inaccurate description of the answer ban functionality...it's just not a particularly helpful one.
 
8:08 AM
> So many answers, here is an advertisement
Hey at least they're honest.
 
@E_net4thecurator You mean networking
 
@VLAZ Both would work. Editing the Windows hosts is useful outside of server maintenance.
 
Yeah, that sounds more general computing-y to me.
 
I only mentioned it because there was already one CV for networking when I cast mine.
I only noticed after I chose the same one and was clicking the "vote" button. So, just a moment too late.
I might have changed my vote otherwise. But I guess it doesn't matter enough.
 
8:26 AM
Let them not add a "Moderator Downvote Obliteration Disclaimer" next time.
 
@E_net4thecurator I tweaked the question a bit to clarify it and make it a bit more related to development
 
@karel why not to askubuntu.com then? Migration requires you to be familiar with the target site, too
 
8:52 AM
@SurajRao rather as R/A
 
^ unsure whether NAA or spam, propose
 
Should "How to make a program to destroy Stack Overflow?" be on the main site because it's a programming question, or meta because it's about Stack Overflow itself? Hmmm....
 
Closed on the main site
 
As "needs details or clarity", obviously because they didn't specify what language the program to destroy Stack Overflow should be in.
 
@RyanM seems like the user was miffed because nobody answered their unclear question earlier today; I would be content with flagging as rude/abusive and move on
 
9:01 AM
Needs an MCVE
 
@tripleee Oh, I agree, that was entirely intended as a joke.
The risk with sarcasm over chat is that it doesn't always come across clearly...
I did, in fact, flag it (and report to SD in the process).
 
10:22 AM
@Juraj How is running code on a device blatantly off-topic?
 
10:39 AM
@RyanM problem is the upload over USB. OP should hold a button on the device for the first upload. Should I write it as answer?
 
@Juraj If that's the solution, yeah, go for it. Seems totally on-topic. (just make sure to ping an RO to bin your request first)
 
@RyanM it is not a codding problem. this is a hw thing. next we would accept modules wiring questions
 
@Juraj Running code on a device is definitely a coding problem. If the answer to a coding problem is "your module is miswired, check the wiring" that seems reasonable.
@SurajRao yes but probably custom flag that with an explanation of the fact that it's a follow-up question
@RyanM I know @CodyGray has Opinions on whether programming embedded devices is on-topic
 
10:55 AM
Problems running code on embedded devices are on-topic here, as long as you're a programmer writing your own code (i.e., not just trying to run a manufacturer-provided binary). Topicality isn't judged ex post facto, which means that we don't declare a question off-topic if it is prima facie on topic, but after knowing the answer it turns out that the root cause was a hardware problem.
You could justifiably close it as "no repro" in some of those cases, but only where it's a situation-specific hardware issue, like a wiring problem. If it is, as you described, needing to hold down a button on the device in order to flash the software, then that's not "no repro", and it's something that is likely to help others in the future.
Some of these types of questions do understandably occupy a bit of a gray area. It irks me to no end that JavaScript folks who aren't even aware that embedded programming is a thing close these as not programming/general computing. I tend to trust Juraj's assessments a bit more, since he actually does this kind of work.
 
That's a much better explanation than mine, thanks.
 
11:12 AM
@CodyGray Wait, what if we couldn't figure it out since there was no indication that it was a hardware problem due lacking enough information to identify the hardware problem.
 
What if it wasn't in English? What if it was all images? What if, what if, what if? As long as the imagined scenarios are things we have close reasons for, then that's a reason to close them.
 
Well, that's the thing, I've seen plenty questions that needs to be closed post facto since only after someone uses their crystal ball to identify the non-programming element that creates the problem, then we know that we didn't have enough information.
Saying that we can't close questions post facto is simply non-starter.
 
I don't know, I guess I haven't seen a case like that, and I can't really imagine one.
 
@Juraj BTW, that question is unclear, not off topic: it's unclear whenever there's a problem with the board or the code.
@CodyGray Well, that arduino question is one. ;)
 
An answer that's just an image of text is NAA, right? Is there any meta documentation of that?
it's probably also plagiarized but that's a separate problem
 
11:24 AM
@desertnaut is this about ML theory, rather than a coding problem? Does smell like it
 
@Braiam I don't think it was unclear to Juraj.
@RyanM An image that is copied without attribution is certainly not a valid answer.
I don't think we have a specific rule that says answers cannot consist solely of images, though.
 
@JeanneDark Wait, that's not even an image, that's a link!
 
11:41 AM
Because it's not an answer
 
12:07 PM
@Adriaan indeed it is; I VTCed, feel free to post a request here
 
TIL: technomancy
 
12:21 PM
@CodyGray a Java Script analogy of that question would be: I have this html ... and when I want to debug it I get 404 Page Not Found when I enter the URL for the html file.
 
12:44 PM
We seem to have an excessive amount of smoke today
 
Has been worse
 
Of what, now?
 
show off
 
You could even say I'm on fire
 
hehe
 
12:46 PM
the dashboard on metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com shows higher levels for yesterday and especially the day before
 
im always impressed by what that bot can do.
 
"I’m voting to close this question because it is spam" Maybe we need a system message for that?
 
@CodyGray Even better when the spam is actually closed before nuked
 
Haven't seen that happen yet, thankfully.
 
12:56 PM
 
I flagged this as NAA but I am having second thoughts. stackoverflow.com/a/70199638/1839439 Should I retract my flag?
 
@Dharman seems like a comment to the other answer...
 
or is it an attempt to answer?
 
Cody decided it was a comment :)
 
@Dharman not really. It does not say how to un-beautify the JSON and should be a comment.
 
1:02 PM
 
I was wondering the same
 
Seems to be thanking Ashwani Kumar Kushwaha, who posted an answer to the same question?
Or maybe it's thanking me in advance for deleting it?
 
Are the remaining 2 answers on this question acceptable as answers? stackoverflow.com/q/70194002/1839439
 
"i am GOD" is an ...interesting... choice of thing to include in a title for Coinbase support spam...
 
1:13 PM
@Dharman You mean all the answers that are not NAAs by the OP?
 
@RyanM The tomato emojis didn't phase you, but that seems odd?
 
@JeanneDark yes
 
@CodyGray You know what they say, some people say tomato, other people say Contact Microsoft Support(🍅) ❝Talk❞❞ to a Person.
 
Ooh, good one; Now do dracula!
 
1:20 PM
@Dharman I would say that they at least are not NAAs but look like attempts at answering the question. Maybe the question is the problem and lacks debugging details.
 
@JeanneDark i agree and voted to close
 
OP added code, not familiar enough with the domain to tell whether it should be a reopen-pls now stackoverflow.com/questions/70199930/…
 
@tripleee If my edits are in fact what they want, I think so. Some more clarity around "strange values" would be ideal but may not be needed.
(I'm not familiar with audio stuff in Android, though)
 
@tripleee they edited in the strange values, probably good now
 
1:48 PM
@Dharman Regarding this comment, you only need 15 reputation to upvote. That's why sock puppets often just receive one answer acceptance or 2 upvotes.
 
Out of CVs o/
 
@tripleee updated, but now probably a duplicate
 
"All my excuses: I am the author of this post. The account on which I asked the question has been banned for a few minutes just after I tried to publish ALL THE THOUSANDS OF CONTENT from the storage/logs/laravel.log file reason why I opened another account to continue here given the 'importance in the hope of no longer breaking the rules of Stackoverrflow."
 
3:05 PM
Does it hurt or help to raise more NAA flags if I know someone else has or I know it's in the LQA review queue?
 
no, it just bumps it higher in the mod queue
 
It mostly has no effect, apart from some subtle effects around editing if only VLQ flags were raised.
 
can mods work around the "work" in title restriction? e.g. can mods remove the duplicate link here stackoverflow.com/questions/13252603/…
 
@Dharman heads up that your reopen/reclose appears to have kicked it into the reopen queue due to that bug Cody keeps hitting
 
ohh no
 
@SurajRao I cannot make enough sense of it to tell if it's NAA, so I went with VLQ.
 
@RyanM its saying you cannot install colorama in the linked online compiler... Thats what I got From the image they tried to post
 
Stack Overflow is under a direct full frontal assault from the spammers lol
 
has been for a while now...
 
How can we fight back from the spammers
 
3:42 PM
Part of me wants to say "call the number and waste their time"
 
That is the smart part of you
 
heh I got 5 flags waiting in review..will reach 10k flags :p thanks to these spammers
 
I've got, uh, 32 flags pending.
 
I think there are scam baiting forums where you can post the number and people will do it for you.
 
...mostly NAAs linking to the site of a different set of spammers.
 
3:46 PM
Anyone else get butthurt when you go to flag and it closes before you can click
 
the lurking mods have gotten very fast
 
Also Charcoal autoflags these away pretty quickly.
 
That last one, for example, was deleted entirely by flags cast through Metasmoke: metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/post/337243/flag_logs
 
Is there a way to know how many users have signed up to let Charcoal auto flag for them?
 
3:54 PM
@Calculuswhiz 408
 
Nice. Thanks.
 
@MFerguson You could always join Charcoal, participate in autoflagging, and/or flag/feedback on posts/reports. If you're interested in more information about participating in Charcoal, there's an Introduction to Participating. The primary chat room for Charcoal is Charcoal HQ.
 
(some of those users might have those flag conditions disabled, though - I could have put more work into making my query to check that more precise. But that is technically the number of users that "have signed up to let Charcoal auto flag for them")
 
Sure. Mostly just a curiosity thing.
 
I guess the spammers assume dumb people will come to SO for help, and so they just need to spam their phone number to get victims?
 
4:00 PM
I honestly doubt they've thought that far into it
If they had, they would notice that every single post is getting instantaneously deleted and put a tiny bit of effort into figuring out how to solve that.
 
I think it's more likely they want to raise the probability of the information getting indexed by some search engine. It's not just Stack Overflow that's getting these types of posts.
 
All they need is a few poor souls falling for it. They are just mass flooding till then I suppose
 
If I were a spammer I would make a legit question and then edit it after it got off the front page lol
 
There's spear phishing and this would be net phishing, I guess.
 
4:04 PM
@MFerguson See, the fact that you thought that far is exactly why you're not a spammer.
 
@MFerguson Stuff like that are routinely caught by charcoal
 
(but also editing it will bump it back onto the front page)
 
yes.. Active tab
 
There is a way to evade the filters somewhat, but I'm not in the business of dispensing advice for spammers ;-)
Ah yes, when I think "talk to a person", I think "alien emoji"
 
4:07 PM
What if you post code that mathematically prints out a phone number when ran
Why does my code print out "CaLl 584--23-222-33???"
 
@SurajRao uhhhh well I guess at least people have blood? Maybe they're trying to appeal to vampires?
 
@MFerguson It would not show up in search engines, and would get closed or age away.
 
Hey, you know when the winter bash start?
 
I seem to have found their fake support site (one of them anyway). It's hosted by google, so they let you report the site. Hopefully that can slow them down a bit...
 
@Doesn'tMatter probably mid-December
(speculation based on vague hints from staff)
 
🚽
 
@Dharman problem solved
I just added - SOLVED To the title
hides
I also threw in a "leave closed" review
wat, offline
 
Just for a wee blip.
 
5:04 PM
Wow any comment with "accepted answer" seems to auto delete via a flag regardless of length
 
@TylerH It's probably because of accepted -> accept, due to accept rate
 
@JeanneDark No it's a separate thing for "this should be the accepted answer" under answers, not "you have a bad accept rate" under the question
 
@TylerH See my edit, every variation of "accept" leads to auto-deletion. Not sure if it differentiates between comments on questions and answers but I doubt it.
 
@JeanneDark no, not every variation
The "accept rate" regex probably only fires on comments under the question
the "accepted answer" one fires under answers
and the "accepted answer" doesn't fire unless "accepted" and "answer" are next to each other
possibly some other criteria, too
 
5:33 PM
@TylerH the keyword is accept. It's used to remove begging: can you please accept my answer. Etc
 
6:03 PM
@Dharman Trouble is that the regex finds any match for "accept". So, if a reviewer leaves a comment that (say) this just repeats the accepted answer, then that useful comment is vulnerable to a maleficent flagger.
 
6:14 PM
^ They had that spam account for more than 3 years, very patient spammer
 
I've nudged 1-rep users in comments before to accept solution if it helped them and my comment didn't get deleted
 
Did someone flag it?
 
that's because i didn't see it to flag it
 
The regex only comes into play if any user flags it instead of the normal 3 flags needed to remove it. If no one flags it remains
 
@KevinB slacker
 
6:57 PM
@Dharman well, I have flagged comments today with "accepted" in it and they don't auto remove. If they have "accepted" in it and "answer" is also in it later on (but words are between) it won't auto remove. If "accepted" and "answer" are next to each other, it auto removes
even if not preceded by "should be" or "should be the" (which IMHO would probably be a good restriction for the purpose)
Altogether I would be somewhat surprised if there weren't a good amount of overlap between several different comment regexes
Is this question in-scope/on-topic? stackoverflow.com/questions/70201540/…
 
Looks okay to me. It is a tool primarily used by programmer.
 
Why does my question has only 12 views?
 
@NathanOliver Yeah, I know it's OK topic-wise, just something about it nags me... can't figure out what
@Zano because only 12 people have clicked on it?
 
7:12 PM
...
This isn't common, questions from the same tags have much more.
 
I can't speak for other people, but I use tags mostly as a way to filter out stuff not to see. The title is what mostly draws me in to a question
 
bad titles are the most sure-fire way to get me to click
 
Especially spammy ones with emoji.
 
I've taken a page out of the spammers' book and started adding emoji to my custom flags. Hopefully it'll get the right kind of attention.
 
Funny; the mods all just started using my script to auto-decline all flags with emoji in them...
 
7:23 PM
Needs more "chocolate swirl ice cream" emoji.
 
The emoji will continue until the character limit improves.
5
 
hehe
I should check my post on MSE about that...
 
Does that pencil in the SD messages mean "recently edited?"
 
Ok, smoke detector, but Immediately after I clicked it, it had 7 downvotes and was deleted already.
Same thing again, Smoke detector. You're wasting my time.
 
7:29 PM
Speaking of which, Smokey is supposed to delete its messages in here when the post is deleted during the message edit/delete period (or at least, it used to do that).
For some reason, that doesn't seem to be happening anymore...
 
Is the code open source?
 
@ThomasWeller You can ignore smoke detector temporarily in this room by selecting "hide posts" on its user card
@ThomasWeller Also, sorry for the late second ping, but if you use the Unclosed Request Review Script, it will "grey out" and reduce the size of chat messages (including SD reports) where they are deleted/handled. For example: i.stack.imgur.com/Kmjnl.png
Not quite as good as Smokey self-deleting them, but it does help
 
7:45 PM
Maybe my bug report helps as well in the long term
 
@ThomasWeller Mods are working a lot as well. This stuff doesn't live long. Normally takes a lot longer for a report to get handled
 
@Machavity Poor Bhargav retired too early
Someone was probably just waiting for his retirement to kick this off
 
Oh, yeah. That was just before this started wasn't it?
 
It'd be a wild discovery if true
I'm sure it's only a coincidence :-)
 
8:01 PM
At least that telephone AI must have managed to figure out how to create accounts. Maybe it's training a RNN for text generation using a GAN where humans are the actual adversarials and post deletion is used for the feedback.
 
Yes it really shows how useful it is for law enforcement to be able to catch an adversary and interrogate them
"what was the goal here, and what were the methods" so they can harden against it
 
8:24 PM
 
we're at the x now for usernames. It is almost done
 
Yeah, what's next? Emoji in usernames?
 
🚽
 
? A double report?
 
yup
 
8:35 PM
 
How does such a spammer make money? Is the number some premium rate number or so?
 
@ThomasWeller It's probably the old old trick like the Nigerian princes (any many others). Get somebody to contact you, then convince them to give you money.
If the spammer gets, say, $50 or a $100 per spam, it's not a bad profit. Even if only 1 in 10 000 people take the bait, it's still profitable. You just have to pump up the view counts. Show it to 100 000 people and you get $500-1000 easy money.
And it is easy money, for whoever falls for anything that looks like that is very likely going to fall for whatever the scammer on the other side tells them.
 
@ThomasWeller I haven't dialed the number so I don't know for sure, but it could be a smaller step further down the 'spam' food chain
A lot of spam itself doesn't directly make money or steal credentials; it's used to determine what numbers are live or are good prospects
if someone calls this number, they're probably put in a list for more advanced/directly profitable spam
 
Having weird/bad formatting and bad grammar, spelling, etc. is actually not "random" or because the scammers are bad at trying to convince people - it's actually a tool to pre-screen for people more susceptible to fall for a scam. It saves them work. If the scam looks too real, then they'll get more people falling for it in the first place but many would realise it's a scam as they communicate with the scammer. People who won't fall for the lies are a wasted effort on the scammer's side.
 
@VLAZ: okay, never thought that way, but sounds reasonable.
 
To me, it's also scary, to be honest. It means that spam is inherently unbeatable. The more sophisticated measures to analyse and react to spam all rely on it being recognisable. And all a spammer has to do is throw in more bad formatting to make it unrecognisable to automated measures. Yet there are still people who would fall for it. Spam efforts are as close to free as possible, but ever elevating spam prevention is not cheap.
 
@TylerH Well I suppose that makes it phishing ... but still spam.
 
So, the spam seems to ramp up in these hours. Earlier in the day, it wasn't as active. I wonder if it's because that's when the spammers themselves are active (e.g., just waking up or have free time) or is it because they target the US. Overall now it's netweem 13:00 and 16:00 in various parts of the US. The spam rate seems to start to increase maybe when it's between 08:00 and 11:00 in the US.
It might be that more spam is being pushed out when the US is most active. Because people from the US are the largest group who visit the site percentage-wise.
 
9:14 PM
Thanks all. Have a nice day. I'll go to bed here in the non US.
 
9:41 PM
@AdrianMole Yep, phishing is one thing spam can be used for
@VLAZ Well, that's no different now than it's ever been, and no different from any other field where humans are pitted against humans
whether it's fraud, spam, crime, hacking, etc. the authorities/systems play an eternal cat-and-mouse game
it's always been possible to do this against SO. No one's just been willing/interested in putting in the effort to do it. Likewise it's possible for SO to stop it sooner rather than later, but they're probably mostly interested in a solution that impacts real users as little as possible
 
@CodyGray The comment below the question tells me otherwise, as it's asking for more information
 
:shrug: doesn't seem that bad
heh, cool, a "recognized member" asking "What have you tried?"
 
10:14 PM
Here's a question - Why does the CV Request Generator userscript add in the username of the question/answer poster? Does it serve any purpose for us to know who posted the item we're being asked to review and vote on? I thought we weren't supposed to have any appearance of "targeting the user" in socvr?
Not a huge deal, really, just something that has bugged me (mildly) since I started using it rather than manually creating my cv's.
 
@NotTheDr01ds It helps ROs to monitor whether people are targeting users or not
 
just a guess, but including the poster makes it easy for those of us here to monitor... yea that
 
Okay, that makes sense. Thanks. So someone posting multiple cv's in a row from the same person could be "targeting" - Got it.
 
@TylerH Well, I'm not claiming to understand the depths of this latest attack, but maybe adding something as 'simple' as a Captcha (either to the account creation process, or to the first post) would solve much of this.
 
a captcha that can be enabled/disabled as needed by mods
"under attack mode"
> Due to a current spam campaign, all questions must solve a captcha before being posted
 
10:23 PM
Give the mods more powerz. Yey!
 
@AdrianMole Try to create an account, you will see it :)
 
@Braiam Well, I wasn't sure. It's been a while since I created my account, so ...
@Vickel Not sure - I gave the "manual equivalents" (down-vote and delete-vote).
 
uhhh how did we delete it and make it as spam?
 
@HenryEcker Because someone red-flagged it.
 
Okay, but wouldn't community be the deleter in that case?
 
10:32 PM
looks like just an unfortunate case to me, the url looks SUPER spammy, but,
 
@KevinB that's why I asked...
 
@HenryEcker No! There weren't enough spam flags to delete it before the normal delete votes took effect.
 
user is legitimate
or was,
 
So if there are any spam flags on a post that is deleted by normal deletion votes it's marked as spam? That doesn't seem right.
 
@HenryEcker Right or wrong, that's the way it is.
 
10:34 PM
flag was marked "helpful" thanks to the delete, fix would require a mod
 
I'm not sure I have much sympathy on that one. The link name was just so suspect ... Bad idea for posting in a question.
 
the user was already at 1 rep, so, not like a whole lot of harm happened.
 
Mods have the ability to "undo" spam penalties, IIRC.
 
@Turing85 This could also be a useful duplicate.
Does this qualify as unfocused?
 
@Turing85 I went with "Needs details" myself, but could go either way.
 
10:38 PM
maybe a mix of that and unclear
if it instead asked how to perform the task with js, without saying "convert this java"
 
@Turing85 I would say - from an official point-of-view, that it ain't close-worthy. Lack of effort -> "downvote and move on".
 
I have to say of all the helpful flag pages my spam page is certainly the most colourful
 
in the past, it was considered an easy 100% too broad ---> meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/296119/…
 
@AdrianMole Personally, I think a key component necessary to answer that question would be what kind of JavaScript?
Is that NodeJS? Is that backend? frontend? How do the results get displayed or handled? What is the input?
 
@AdrianMole I see "translate this" questions as too broad. Question 1, what does this code do? Question 2, how do I do that in <other language>?
 
10:42 PM
@HenryEcker Fair dos .. but I'm not an SME, so I didn't vote.
@khelwood You're inventing a close reason.
 
Huh... that's funny... one tab of SO says I have 47 flags remaining, the other says I have 0 flags remaining...
 
Maye you have 23.5?
 
To me, it violates the "Search, and Research" rule. It needs to document what they've searched for and tried so far.
 
the... problem is if you wanted to solve that problem you would need to know enough about java (or encryption in general) in addition to knowing javascript, to be able to do the work, that's a lot to ask. If the op put in the effort to instead ask something more along the lines of "How do i encrypt X in this way" without asking us to interpret what the java is doing, that'd be a better case for leaving it open
 
I don't think so. I think it's multiple questions, which is a categorical "needs focus"
 
10:45 PM
@NotTheDr01ds As Adrian said... "lack effort" (and "no research" is "lacking effort") is not a close-reason.
 
My argument is it's asking multi-questions. It doesn't tell you what the existing code is doing at all, so it has an unspoken question of what is this code doing
and how do i do it in javascript
without any specification on how much of the code the op understands
 
@KevinB "My code is my documentation!" :P
 
@Turing85 That may be fair. Perhaps I'm stretching to consider "didn't provide the details on what they've tried" as "Needs details"?
 
it does look like pretty straightforward code
but i'm not fluent in java, so i wouldn't touch it
 
@NotTheDr01ds I would say you are, yes. That is effort OP puts in.
@KevinB I am not fluent in JS. Together, we form a fully-functional Full-Stack-Developer! :)
 
10:49 PM
how do i do x doesn't need an attempt, but, this is a little bit more than just how do i do x
 
Don't misunderstand me: I want such question gone. But let's do it properly! Downvotes will either feed the Roomba or, failing that (if answers appear), they at least allow us to delete them manually.
 
@AdrianMole well the way I see it those are multiple questions. "How do I write a method in JS?", "How do I write an if in JS?", "How do I throw exceptions in JS?", ... and therefore unfocused. Or is this a stretch of the definition for you?
 
ah, so just an md5 hash
if they just asked that, that'd be easily answerable
(and probably a dupe)
 
It is
 
@KevinB Feel free to edit, reopen, and close-dupe-vote ^^
 
i'm not in the business of fixing
 
I run out of flags again
 
But again, the reason I VTC is it's unclear which JavaScript we're considering or the requirements of the MD5 or the input/output desired.
 
that's fair
given it's java, and DB work,
we can assume
but we might be wrong
 
@Turing85 Like I already said, I'm not an SME on that one. So I don't really know. But my point was more general: lack of effort is not a close reason, and nor has it ever been. Asking for translation from posted code to another language is clear, focused and eminently answerable.
 
10:57 PM
@AdrianMole The Meta question that KevinB pointed out along with the one for which it was marked a duplicate seem to indicate that it's a perfectly valid close reason. Thoughts?
 
it depends
it is possible for a convert question to be not too broad
 
Meta is a strange place, and we don't discuss its merits/demerits here.
 
this one, now that i know what the source is asking, i see as a pretty simple conversion. but it required knowing the source to get there and that wasn't explained in the question, but a comment by someone else
 
@Dharman why the tag ?
 
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