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user17242583
2:02 AM
Did the internet die? It's so quiet now. A few hours ago, questions were coming in every minute. Now they're barely coming in every hour.
 
@user17242583 Haven't you heard? The entire internet has crashed.
 
@MarcoBonelli 😍
Have you considered applying for a job at Stack Overflow?
 
user17242583
Wow @MarcoBonelli, that's cool! :)
 
user17242583
Hah, so I see you downvote answers a lot. :D
 
2:07 AM
Might as well share it if anyone likes it: gist.github.com/mebeim/b50951a0f4bbcaac0c1aa73e6a7cdc66
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@user17242583 yeah, but mostly NAA/VLQ answers that eventually will get deleted
 
user17242583
Of course, so do I. I was just pointing out that you let out some "private" info, although I don't really know why it's hidden at all. :)
 
@RyanM I actually think it's funnier to reverse engineer CSS than write it yourself lol
@user17242583 oh yeah, no problem about that
 
You can tell from my public profile that I've downvoted at least 10 answers.
 
@RyanM uhm... how?
 
user17242583
5746 - 5736 = 10 or 872 - 862 = 10, or both, or what?
 
2:15 AM
@MarcoBonelli At the bottom of the activity page, I have 862 upvotes and 872 answer votes.
 
@RyanM oh I see, interesting. So you basically almost always downvote Qs and upvote As
 
For fun, I have made some attempt at keeping the count of upvotes approximately equal to the number of answer votes. It's not terribly hard, as I do in fact not downvote answers all that often.
@MarcoBonelli It's not nearly as stark as that makes it appear, since I do upvote questions :-)
 
Yeah makes sense
 
But certainly the vast majority of my downvotes are on questions.
The vast majority of which are deleted. I only have 418 downvotes in the Votes tab.
 
user17242583
Ah, so those weirdly correlated numbers aren't just coincidental?
 
2:20 AM
Well, it was coincidental at first, and then I noticed it and started doing it intentionally.
 
user17242583
Neat :)
 
2:42 AM
Is this too much copied content? A lot of the phrasing is copied, but in bits and pieces with tweaks that make a useful whole that doesn't exist in that form elsewhere.
 
3:37 AM
@RyanM "A significant amount" is reached
 
 
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4:43 AM
stackoverflow.com/a/70299817/4826457 is odd.. It just stops mid sentence...
 
 
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user17242583
6:19 AM
Would this be classified as spam? (Exists only to promote a product or service, does not disclose the author's affiliation.)
 
user17242583
The only indication that the answer author is affiliated is in "try using our product"
 
7:21 AM
What's the course of action to appeal a declined flag, ask on Meta?
 
Wrong answer which targets a previous version stackoverflow.com/a/63519119/8172857
 
@BoussadjraBrahim ?
 
@MarcoBonelli or just shrug and move on; but yeah, that's probably the way to seek review
 
@BoussadjraBrahim in case you attempted to ask for deletion of the answer: that's a no-go in this case. Technically incorrectness is not a ground for deletion. We let the voting process take care of that and, as happened in this case, let it sit at the bottom of the answer list.
 
@tripleee thx, just wondering
 
7:29 AM
@Adriaan that's clear thanks
 
@BoussadjraBrahim also see the SOCVR FAQ; you're clearly involved on that post, having an answer. Thus this room, rather than SO itself, disallows you from posting moderation requests about that post. (Any non-involved person would be allowed, barring the official SO rule of not deleting technically incorrect answers)
 
 
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8:43 AM
Question to the room. I think this answer is helpful, and is well-received, but it is entirely a link-only answer. Should it be deleted? stackoverflow.com/a/70176071
 
@halfer deleting seems excessive as long as the links still work
 
 
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10:46 AM
@tripleee Historically the links working (in a link-only answer) has never been a defence though - since it is not self-contained. I wonder if we are giving this a pass because it collected a bounty.
 
@halfer I give it a pass since links are to github project, maybe the question is too broad, hence you should not blame the answer but the question?
 
@tripleee RO please trash; OP updated
 
11:45 AM
oh FFS that profile page revamp
 
viewing my own profile page and trying to find a comment from a couple of days back ... lots of flak on meta if you haven't been following along
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels I think deleting (and del-pls requests) are not appropriate in case of plagiarism; the post should be flagged instead.
 
12:02 PM
@tripleee ohh.. I have. I didnt understand the context here...
dont release on Friday should extend to dont release around Christmas
 
@tripleee Well, they wanted a responsive design and their new design is getting a lot of responses. ;-P
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12:31 PM
@karel the custom reason here could be more appropriate :) stackoverflow.com/questions/70304320/…
 
12:41 PM
@desertnaut I wasn't able to access the link because the question got deleted before I could read it.
 
@karel OK, close reason was "I’m voting to close this question because this is not a "do my work for me" site." :)
 
I'll try that next time.
 
12:55 PM
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
 
Morning
 
 
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1:57 PM
 
@SurajRao Re your nice 'please do not valdalise' comment on a recent question. Is there a copy of its source text that I can copy for future use?
 
Lovely. Thank you.
 
2:20 PM
@SurajRao It's definitely not NAA. It appears to be completely incorrect though, and also not relevant to the question. I've commented on the answer; if there's no response in a bit, I'll make a del-pls.
 
hmm.. So a post that poses its own question (if not relevant to the original question) and answers it isnt NAA?
 
@SurajRao just post del-pls here.
 
@SurajRao I'm referring to the NAA flag. I don't think that's an appropriate flag here, since it's not apparent from the answer that it's not relevant. Also, if the OP showed some code that actually did produce the error message mentioned in the question, then it is relevant, and shouldn't be deleted.
 
@cigien Yes that flag would not qualify...
 
 
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3:34 PM
Phew, got a bug report in on the activity redesign post on MSE... was worried I wouldn't post a bug report there for a while!
 
user17242583
@Adriaan "the official SO rule of not deleting technically incorrect answers" - will you please send a link to that rule?
 
Is anyone else unable to unfollow deleted answers? I found a Meta post about it, but that seems to be a different issue from over a year ago.
 
When should I vote to delete an answer?
You may vote to delete answers in the following cases:

The answer is extremely low quality: There is little to no scope for improvement
The answer doesn't attempt to answer the question; it may be a comment or a separate question altogether.
 
@halfer I would recommend inserting some of the content from the blog post (or all of it if it isn't too long) into the answer, inside of a block quote
 
3:41 PM
it doesn't mention technical incorrectness
 
@cigien maybe they should answer this stackoverflow.com/questions/1573168/… instead, I have no clue about c but it seems that they are answering incorrect question.
 
Technical incorrectness is included in 'extremely low quality' I think
 
user17242583
"The answer is extremely low quality: There is little to no scope for improvement" - does this include an utterly wrong answer? Or is an utterly wrong answer still potentially high-quality?
 
Unless you're showing an example of how something is bad or dangerous or 'what not to do'
because that latter thing could possibly help teach someone
 
user17242583
So 20k users should vote to delete such answers.
 
3:42 PM
but if you just say "you should foo the bar" and that's not correct... that's not useful. 20k users vote to delete wrong answers all the time
 
I recall a meta thread where this was clarified, probably by Shog9, but I don't have the link at handy right now
if that were true though, VLQ flags on incorrect answers wouldn't be declined
 
There are many meta that NAA and VLQ has same meaning by now.
 
user17242583
Then "Technical incorrectness is included in 'extremely low quality' I think" must not be true.
 
@blackgreen there's a difference between what users can do on their own and what they should ask moderators to do for them
 
@Juraj MVP is definitely not a typo, even if it's just a 2 character difference.
 
3:45 PM
mods decline VLQ flags because the VLQ flag has a specific meaning
not because the answer shouldn't be deleted
 
In short, VLQ means "gibberish" (or link-only depending whom you ask), which is not different, I think, from the "extremely low quality" definition in the help center
 
anyway VLQ and NAA by now have same meaning to mods
 
mods also aren't expected to be arbiters on technical correctness, which is another reason why they don't like just deleting answers because they're wrong
but if a mod is a SME (or a 20k user is), they can delete an answer that's wrong
@blackgreen It depends on how you define "very low quality". The flag description defines it narrowly
 
@PetterFriberg I don't think that one's applicable either. The issue is that the error message they're talking about doesn't even come up with the code they've shown. At least, not in any recent version of a compiler.
 
I consider other things to qualify as VLQ besides what's in the flag definition (but I wouldn't flag such things as VLQ because again the VLQ flag is very narrow in scope)
 
3:48 PM
@cigien ok, yeah that answer is better to remove from question, it will drive even more traffic to an incorrect error message
 
@TylerH They can, yes, but I don't think they would. Technical incorrectness is covered by the description of the downvote. Same reason why technically incorrect answers should not be deleted via the LQP queue
 
@TylerH VLQ has no sense to use anymore, it also does strange stuff like auto voting, getting cleared by editing etc.. meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/318952/…
 
Well, I've seen mods do it plenty of times
 
and again I say should because we all know that that happens anyway
 
again LQP queue is different than 20K delete
 
3:50 PM
@PetterFriberg the VLQ and NAA flags have in general been problematic for a really long time
 
Anyway, I'm definitely not trying to advocate against deleting very poor answers
 
@blackgreen Unless they're dangerously incorrect - like suggesting some code that will reformat your C drive.
 
should not be, but i fyou're reviewing one and think it should be deleted, would you not click the link and cast a delete vote?
you don't have to use the review delete button.
 
I personally don't think there's any defensible logic in downvoting a post and not delete voting it if you are able
 
pretty much you are free to delete vote as you wish when you have 20K, using your judgment (the answer needs to be negative score) and 3 people need to vote.
 
3:51 PM
If you think the post is so bad that it deserves downvoting, you inherently think it shouldn't be there
 
I see no value in casting a delete vote on something that will be deleted without that vote
 
@KevinB Well, yes that, like Roomba
 
@TylerH ok yeah that a feature request from when Tuna was still around :)
 
Miss his fishy face
 
but for answers, yea,
 
3:52 PM
m2
 
there's... edge cases though, as always.
"correct" answers that fix the problem, but fail to specify why
would you delete that, if there were no better answers?
 
Nope, but I also probably wouldn't downvote it
I'd probably comment and say "can you please explain"
 
@TylerH There are many instances where a downvote and a delete vote are equally applicable, but the former doesn't imply the latter. Downvotable answers may be well written and also technically incorrect, without deserving to disappear
 
but again I don't delete vote link answer either if the link is solid... I'm using my judgement (is this useful or not) over some old guidelines... I think Shog would be proud of me :D
 
3:54 PM
Bottom line, a downvoted answer with some comments that point out the flaws still has an educational purpose
in teaching what not to do. I would not cast a delete vote on those
 
@blackgreen Delete votes imply downvote is applicable. Downvotes do not imply delete votes are applicable.
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@blackgreen That's the kind of judgement you need to use with your 20K.. exactly that
 
@PetterFriberg I guess it boils down to that
 
To delete something you need to be sure that it's not useful for anyone else.
If I think it can be useful I would not vote to delete...
That's my judgement, find your own within the boundaries of SO rulez.
 
What annoys me is questions that ask X, but their problem is they used the wrong method. Think, using Object.keys() when you meant to use Object.entries()
 
3:56 PM
@blackgreen What's the value in a well-written wrong answer?
 
but instead of asking that, you ask why does my react component not render
 
@PetterFriberg agreed, and I would not vote down, either
@KevinB well if they knew the problem they wouldn't need to ask that would they
 
Right
but
noone who has that problem will find it
because the people who have that problem don't know they have it
 
you can always edit the question...
 
that doesn't change the result
 
3:58 PM
@TylerH I said that a few posts above, if it's clear why it's wrong, e.g. with a few comments that point out the flaws, it has educational value
 
if the user knew why they were having the problem they wouldn't have needed to ask. Neither would future users
We could create a canonical and just mass dupe hammer them around, but, that doesn't really solve it either, as, again, the people with the problem don't know it
 
> the most heating online game
Interesting way to put it
 
spam flag from me...
 
Same
I'm just amused by the phrasing used.
Probably automatically translated.
 
so we're effectively left at, the "best" way forward is to just keep answering them, or create/choose a best dupe and keep hammering them; the least appealing option being the one that seems to help the most people
 
4:04 PM
strange that you can't create some good dupes for that...
 
@blackgreen Maybe that's educational for the answerer, but usually not for any readers
I'd rather not lead readers down the wrong path and just remove the wrong content, leaving only the right content.
I agree if there's a wrong answer that has teaching value, that's useful and I wouldn't delete that. But that kind of situation is exceedingly rare
 
isn't a pile of downvotes enough to warn the readers? I mean, that's what downvotes are for
 
like, I've probably encountered such answers fewer than 10 times
@blackgreen No, because readers often don't understand the SO system and just think we're a bunch of A-holes who downvote everything out of spite
 
Not all downvoted answers are wrong. They might be not useful. Suggestions to use eval in JS are usually "correct" but terrible.
 
honestly i wouldn't care if the answer that solved my problem had 50 downvotes
 
4:06 PM
I mean haven't you seen the blog posts and news articles about important real-world stuff breaking because someone copied content from a SO post without understanding it?
 
if it solved my problem and with my knowledge of my environment "knew" that the answer was the one i needed.
 
according to me also the number of answer on a question, count, hence I may even vote to delete correct answer (but more or less duplicate of other 10)....
 
@TylerH heh, that is a sad reality...
 
@VLAZ Agreed, that's true; you can have an answer that "works" but isn't necessarily "right". That's the only grey area for me where I'm still on the fence
Though I wouldn't count "wrong language" answers in there (e.g. JS solutions to CSS-only questions)
 
4:08 PM
however I'm not in the camp of removing content in order to appear nicer to people who don't understand SO
 
I might downvote a C++ answer that used a goto statement, yet not consider it worthy of a delete vote. It could still be a valid answer - just not one that gets my 'support'.
 
I'm in favour of leaving terrible answers undeleted. Otherwise it's not obvious they are bad.
 
^ basically this
 
Heck, if I were feeling feisty I might even tell @Dharman I am going around upvoting mysql_ answers ;-)
 
i'm in the camp of remove all content. If it's worth keeping it'll reappear
 
4:09 PM
@blackgreen it's not about being nice, it's about keeping SO useful (and preventing catastrophes)
 
say what?
 
...On the other hand SO ranking is fundamentally broken and even a bad answer can have a dozen upvotes because it looks appealing. Then a downvote has almost no impact. And some bad answers have hundreds of upvotes.
 
@VLAZ ah, to be a moderator...
 
tell which ones, I will <s>vote to delete</s> upvote
 
@Dharman just messing with you, of course! 0:-)
 
4:10 PM
@TylerH we'll maybe have to agree to disagree. for me, a bad answer is useful as a signpost of what not to do. If someone blindly copy-pastes downvoted stuff and blows up production, it's their problem, sorry
 
eh
This is supposed to be a repository of useful quesitons and answers.
Keeping wrong answers around "just because", is absurd
they will be upvoted, because people upvote stuff just because.
 
"This is what NOT to do" is useful. Just not a lot of those answers around that are not just "Do this" which I'd downvote.
 
like, why would an answerer upvote a question they are answering, if not because it increases their chance of being upvoted or just to be nice? The question clearly isn't useful to them, they already know the answer.
 
user17242583
(Hopefully that's the right request.)
 
@KevinB upvote to me does not mean useful for me, but instead good question, probably useful for others.
 
4:14 PM
@VLAZ sometimes what not to do can be useful, but again in my experience good cases of that are very rare. I've probably seen 10 or fewer such cases in my time here
 
i do loosely support that reasoning
 
since I only answer good questions that I think can be useful for others, I upvote, edit and then answer.
 
@KevinB in that case it could just be that the answerer thinks the question is valid enough, otherwise why would they answer in the first place (except for rep farming)
 
@user17242583 Not sure if I missed something, but we should we vote to delete this instead of letting mods do it?
 
@user17242583 Would it be better to just flag that as NAA?
 
4:15 PM
but for the same reason we can't predict future usefulness when deciding to delete/downvote, we can't predict future usefulness when deciding to upvote either.
 
@KevinB Well, questions are a bit different than answers. Upvotes there are not about rewarding technical acumen (since it's not an answer), but more about the effort OP has put in, and the general usefulness or interesting value of the question itself
 
user17242583
@Calculuswhiz already did that.
 
Kind of as Petter said
 
@TylerH Yeah, that's what I mean. It's useful to know that eval is horrible and shouldn't be used. However, most answers that show its usage don't say that - just go "use it" and this should be downvoted to show that it is a bad idea.
 
@PetterFriberg I would answer, edit, then upvote. Y'know - gotta keep up the FGITW stats. :-)
 
4:16 PM
I find myself sometimes downvoting the question and answering, for example when the Q is not really well laid out, but may be generically useful
 
:), my tag is different, you can take 1 week to answer, you still will be FGITW ;)
 
hehe
 
user17242583
@Dharman I'm not sure - I noticed that answer while I was reading the question, but since SD didn't report it, I wasn't sure how to handle it...
 
actually lately I mostly have fun duping all incoming questions
 
@PetterFriberg I think this is the inevitable march of SO questions.
 
4:19 PM
it's hard to ask unique questions nowadays
 
find dupe and leave a nice comment :), that's my job by now...
 
Why is a cactus when it's blue?
 
For the record, the closure stats say that around 15-16% of incoming questions are closed. Seems stable as far as I've kept track. I'd be interested if the A/B test of the question help changes that in any way.
 
@user17242583 FI they asked you because of this socvr.org/faq#can-i-request-delete, post that can be flagged are normally not considered "absolutely necessary".
 
4:22 PM
@user17242583 Flagging as NAA is enough to get someone to look at it.
 
@user17242583 ?, what about that?
 
user17242583
It's author..
 
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
Shree is great person, I guess they changed display name.
 
4:25 PM
they changed profile pic and name
 
And profile information. I'm sad.
 
Yeah, it's sad that they are not around to flag anymore.. they probably are the person on SO that have most ("manual") flags.
 
Looks like an encouraging sign, to me. They want to get back into the site but don't want any fussing about.
 
still shows not active for more than a month
 
user17242583
They haven't been active on the site since the election, except for this
 
4:27 PM
whatever that actually means
 
On Meta - over a month; on the main site, "this week".
 
@AdrianMole But it's two different time trackers, right? If you've visited main, you don't automatically "visit" meta and vice versa.
 
Exactly.
 
Wait... somehow I read that comment as you complaining that SO is inconsistent.
And no, I don't know how.
 
🚽
i find it incredibly annoying that i now have to scroll to reach "All Actions" to find a comment i recently posted
considering there's literally no reason that was converted into a vertical list, due to the fact that it turns into a drop down on tablet/mobile
 
4:34 PM
@KevinB I also find it annoying that all comments have exactly the same size allocated. If it's something like "your foo is null" that still takes the same space as a 450 character comment. And the consequence of that is that longer comments are truncated, so you cannot even see all the text. While short comments take up unneeded space.
Now I can't even Ctrl+F to search through the comments, if it happens that I'm searching for something truncated.
 
Just keep all your comments, in future, to the same length.
 
264 characters is the maximum.
 
Impossible!▯▯▯▯▯
 
...or not, I just checked another truncated comment and it showed 259 characters. It has two backtics for inline code but still doesn't match up.
 
@Dharman will we get an updated flagger ranking for Christmas?
 
4:41 PM
Please make a list and check it twice.
 
Hehe, I'll see what I can do
the profile changes make it harder to scrape
 
Yeah
and Vote Dukakis doesn't exist anymore
that was interesting
 
@TylerH wait what? Why?
 
The account is gone
I don't know why
Unless the link on your stats is wrong
but I think it is correct, looking at the cached version from Google
 
I still don't know who was behind that account
 
4:47 PM
@Dharman Perhaps a fraudster, given that it is gone now? *shrug*
Or a moderator testing things?
or a benevolent white hat
 
or just a user that decided to no longer be a user
 
True
You know us humans though; we always love a story
 
@VLAZ eh even twitter allows upto 280
 
@Calculuswhiz Are you referring to this one? Is the solution there not working for you currently?
 
@cigien Well, I can't see deleted answers, so the only way to do it is from my "Following" tab. When I hit Unfollow, nothing happens, and when I refresh, it's still there. I can unfollow deleted questions just fine.
E.g. this one
 
Yeah, I just tried it out by following the answer, and then trying to unfollow from the profile page. It doesn't work. Seems worth a meta bug report, assuming it's not reported already.
 
5:16 PM
SO meta or, SE meta?
Also, thanks for the confirmation.
 
Either is fine. It's likely a network wide issue, so MSE should work. But since you found it on SO, you can post on MSO as well.
Also, in case this factors into the decision, MSE has rep, unlike MSO :)
 
what's going on in these answers? (10k+)
 
@blackgreen Somebody was trying to be funny. Or trying to be mean.
 
is that flaggable as trolling? probably pointless, since the author deleted it, but still...
 
Maybe it's the case of "I want to vote for myself but I don't know how to sockpuppet properly"
 
5:22 PM
@blackgreen Honestly considering it. But not sure.
 
the upvotes are concerning
 
got an actual link to it?
i can try a few other ways
Oh, it's the same one
;)
 
@Dharman Yes. The user also managed to cast an upvote while it still had 25+ rep
 
@VLAZ no, it's a bug
 
5:25 PM
just middle click it
 
@Dharman if it's sockpuppetry it could be an attempt at bumping the post
 
@KevinB *facepalm* seriously?
 
I think you should flag it anyway. Even if just for abusive behaviour.
 
Anyway - the question author edited the answer to add more dots. Seems fishy.
 
you get +2 from approved edits
and the author can accept it unilaterally
 
5:27 PM
@KevinB Wow, I had no idea we could do that. Very cool, thanks :)
 
"more dots for tension " seems like trolling
 
ideally... middle click shouldn't be able to bypass the system preventing you from going somewhere it doesn't want you to go
but, meh
it's useful
 
@SurajRao It seems consistent with the behaviour of the answerer. Hence fishy.
 
You guys are posting too much chit chat in this chatroom. I want links to ez questions for me to flag
 
@KevinB Indeed. I'm inclined to call this a feature rather than a bug.
 
5:30 PM
the longer route is to copy the link/open link in new tab with right click
 
even longer would be to inspect element and copy the href
 
yeah thats a really scenic route
 
right click open in new tab should work too, since that's what middle click is
are sub-10k people able to view the suggested edit?
 
Th one you linked earlier? yes
 
hmmm
 
5:37 PM
@KevinB they probably need to for audit purposes..?
 
I don't think suggested edit reviews are limited to who can approve them. Also suggested edits on deleted posts are almost entirely useless but the system doesn't clear them. I suppose just in case the post is undeleted later.
Which...very few are.
 
i mean
there's definitely at least 2
given they're both marked as duplicate
i'd assume there's a 3rd i don't immediately see
yeah, the second dupe has links to two
 
those.. are different issues of the same modal. I guess for dev purposes its dupe?
 
6:03 PM
@TylerH Not a bad idea thanks, I will see if I can do that this weekend
 
user17242583
7:13 PM
@Dharman did somebody steal your (nice) avatar?
 
@user17242583 I reported that to him a while back; there are 1 or 2 other users also with that exact avatar
Just a coincidence it seems
 
@user17242583 You're the third person so far to point out that they stole my avatar
 
user17242583
Really, that very user? :D
 
yes
 
user17242583
7:15 PM
Isn't that a form of plagiarism though? Because unless you sourced it from elsewhere, it's your work, and I don't see any attribution to you.
 
I don't know...
 
user17242583
It would be much more striking and offensive someone stole an actual picture of someone else as their own.
 
technically avatars can't be considered plagiarism
BoltClock has an avatar of Olivia Rodrigo
 
user17242583
Hmmm...so we can't really get them to change it?
 
I think avatars are free to do whatever you want as long as you don't offend people
 
user17242583
7:18 PM
But that offends me :)
 
It would become a problem if the end user were attempting to imitate the target, e.g. impersonation or plagiarism
Or if the target requested the end user remove the avatar and they refused, depending
a few blocks of color ordered in a certain way... I'm no sure that would be persuasive enough. But a photo of an actual person (who isn't a famous person, because there are literally different rules for laws around 'public figures'), that would probably be enforced pretty quickly
@Dharman see the 'public figure' comment of mine above ^ rules are a bit different for them
 
user17242583
Look at the bottom of this page. The scores are so low, it just looks funny.
 
8:54 PM
 
@user17242583 Best not to focus on individual users in this room (unless you have a good, valid reason to do so).
 
user17242583
9:32 PM
Gotcha @Adrian
 
will the cvpls userscript warn me if I attempt to post a request that I already posted before?
 
user17242583
If you have done it before, yes @blackgreen. I tried cv-plsing that request ^^^ again and it warned me
 
user17242583
But someone else manually cv-plsed that before me, and it didn't warn me.
 
thanks, yes I mean me
 
user17242583
It doesn't look like it will tell you if some else already used the cv-pls script on a particular post.
 
user17242583
 
9:52 PM
Maybe I have my negative pants on, but when I read this XY Problem, I interpret it as asking: "I want to bake a cake, and I have all of the ingredience, but I want to make the cake using nothing other than ketchup. Is it possible?"
 
@mickmackusa It doesn't seem like an XY problem to me. OP wants to suppress one specific warning message, and is asking how to do that.
or did you link to the wrong question?
 
^^
You could certainly choose to see it as an XY, if you deem hiding a warning as a laughable non-solution that noone should ever want
(as opposed to fixing it)
 
I don't know about isset() since I don't do PHP, but is that a way to suppress one specific warning message? If it is, the cake analogy might make sense (e.g. "I don't want to use the ingredients the recipe calls for"), but then I would wonder why he doesn't want to use isset()
Maybe there's something that precludes him from using it
 
maybe it's an issue that is repeated hundreds of times in a very old codebase
and now their logs are being flooded with what they see as a non-issue
 
But if isset() is just a way to refactor all the code, then it seems obvious why he doesn't want to do that: he has a mountain of code and is hoping there's a succinct way to hide one warning instead of having to rewrite tons of variable initializations
@KevinB Yes, this
While not recommended, it's perfectly valid if the business use case is satisfied by it
 
9:58 PM
one easy fix would be to just not upgrade to PHP8
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
If you stay on 5 you could even keep using mysql_
bonus points all around
 
i mean
if you're not gonna update your code too, what are you really gaining by upgrading just php, surely you have vulnerabilities that need to be fixed too
 
It's probably a business requirement or they need one specific piece of functionality
 
(all while my php doesn't even log errors)
 
11:02 PM
@DavidBuck I don't follow. OP has not indicated that it's a typo. It's just that the answer is NAA.
 

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