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5:21 PM
 
@VLAZ How many views did it have while your CV would have been active if not retracted (highly likely > 100, but that's the views number which would determine if the aging away would have been 4 or 14 days). Assuming > 100 views, the close-vote would have been active for ~4 days prior to aging away. You wouldn't be able to re-cast the close-vote for 14 days after that, so the minimum you'd need prior to being able to recast is ~18 days from when you cast the CV.
The one I'm testing on MSE is a similar situation: CV cast and then retracted shortly thereafter on a question with > 100 views. At the moment, that was ~21 days ago (04:38Z on 2021-10-06). The CV dialog for me on that MSE question looks similar to the one in your screenshot, but, of course, with different dates. I'll keep checking every couple of days for at least into 30+ days, in case the code isn't accounting for the 4/14 day aging based on views.
 
{smirks} Makyen has to go to Meta.SE to see what the UI is like for mere mortals.
 
@AdrianMole Yeah, I don't have to go to any other site to see the UI. Makes me feel so much more important! Although, I sometimes don't want to see the UI...
 
@AdrianMole Yep. It's a bit frustrating at times. :) It would be nice, for testing, to be able to emulate accounts at different privilege levels, but I certainly understand why that's not a capability that's routinely available. :;
 
5:37 PM
Maybe Sam can come up with a "(Temporarily) switch off my Diamond" user-script?
 
And for mere mortals with a "(Temporarily) switch on a Diamond" user-script
 
Ooh.
Thing is, if the Diamond is (Temporarily) turned off, you'd be a mortal, so wouldn't have the rights to turn it (back) on.
 
5:56 PM
@AdrianMole This is why SE needs an "impersonate user" ability like older versions of SharePoint
super useful feature for user-based programs
 
Devs have that.
 
@Braiam as far as I'm aware - they do on the development build but it's deliberately excluded on production builds
 
6:11 PM
If a post goes from -3 with a delete vote, to -2 with a delete vote, does the delete vote still exist and just not show because you can't cast a delete vote? or does the delete vote get invalidated in that case
i'd assume it remains, just not visible
 
@KevinB As long as is <0 you can vote to delete, and no, delete votes aren't invalidated once the post go to possitive
 
well, i'm looking at a -2 that i can't cast a delete vote on, because it's both not -3 and not old enough for 20k vote privilege
so it's just a display thing
the vote didn't go away, it's just not visible because the criteria changed
 
@KevinB Yes, that's correct, afaik.
 
then my comment was wrong, but, meh, not that important
Ah, i see your edit now, 👍
 
Right, my original comment was wrong. Also, we scienced it :)
 
6:29 PM
@KevinB A delete vote definitely still exists on that question, assuming we're talking about this one. The mod interface, which, of course, still permits delete votes, shows "Delete (1)". The delete-vote definitely doesn't show as invalidated.
 
@Makyen Yep, I've experimented with my mortal powers, too: post at -2 doesn't have "Delete" button while at -3 it does and it shows (1). Also, the API returns 1 del-vote pending.
 
6:44 PM
Awesome! I have the score for a gold tag badge for , I only need another 104 answers ...
 
There are 6,900 such questions... you better start writing some answers
 
7:00 PM
is it possible to get an [announcement] gold badge and then dupehammer announcement posts
 
@rene Congrats! I got my [discussion] hammer shortly after becoming a mod
Let's not ask about such things in here
 
Ministry of...?
 
🚽
 
@rene Very nice, I am right behind you, only 1450 more score and... 160 answers, give or take
@Machavity I still haven't bothered to Mjolnir anything with my gold badge yet...
 
7:15 PM
@TylerH But rene would just de-Mjolnir it, anyway.
 
heh
 
I just realized I need 3 answers just to get a [feature-request] bronze...
 
Did anyone else get an email from stackoverflow.com about some new feature?
 
I have all emails disabled from SO
(so no)
 
It looks like spam
 
7:21 PM
(redacted) screenshot?
 
It has all signs of a spam, except it came from an email belonging to stackoverflow.com
 
haven't had one of those in a looooooong time
not since teams
 
No username, no logo
 
I only got a mail about some sad Nigerian Prince, guy has it tough
 
just some dubious link
 
7:23 PM
That seems to be a teams mail
 
Could it be because I used contact us?
 
possible
 
I think merch don't have access to a @so.com mail.
I expect the teams team to have access however
 
but i've never heard of that slack url
oh, stack, not slack
 
7:25 PM
@Catija Are you available?
 
well, thing is
it's not asking for you to login with existing credentials is it?
 
I don't know. I am afraid to click the link
they might be stealing cookies or smth
 
Although there is a stackoverflow.com email server, most unsolicited stuff from the stack is from stackoverflow.email. Looks like spam.
 
Wait a second, SE got its own ASN?
 
I don't appear to have received such an email, and I have used the Contact form.
 
7:27 PM
The IP is controlled by an ASN controlled by SE ipinfo.io/AS25791
 
@Dharman Depends on what you want. :D
 
I got some suspicious email
 
Ah. You want to forward it to me?
 
Wondering if it's just SE really bad at sending emails or spam
6 mins ago, by Dharman
Here https://i.stack.imgur.com/hVI9E.png
I can also forward it to you, if you want it
 
Ah. We're moving away from Jira to FreshDesk.
I'm guessing that we're sending emails like that out to anyone who had a profile in Jira (due to filling out the contact form, for example).
Let me check with the support team, though.
To be clear, we're just moving out of Jira for customer interactions... Jira Service Desk... We're still using Jira for ... normal Jira stuff.
 
7:32 PM
It could look spammier, though. At least the title (probably) wasn't "Stack Overflow CBD Gummies natuarly joint relif pain oil‭"
 
Or: Please reply to this email by clicking the following link, and we'll give you 5,000 reputation points as a token of our appreciation.
 
We heard you lost an election recently. We got you fam. Just download this add-on that gives you mod powers
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@Dharman Do you work for a company that has Enterprise or one of the Business teams?
 
No. I am only a member of SOBotics
 
@Dharman That is a team team :D
 
7:39 PM
So... I haven't been able to ascertain why you got it but I have been told that it is a legitimate email. Apparently Adam got one yesterday and it was confirmed as legit.
 
Should I click on the link or ignore it?
 
If you don't have any oustanding "business" with us - meaning contact form messages you want to have moved to the new system, you can probably ignore it and just wait to create a new profile whenever (or if) you create a new contact.
 
why not
 
I have outstanding form messages
 
@Catija Hmm, will users who have used "contact us" get one of those if they have the "no emails at all from SO" option checked (I currently fall into that category)?
ah, nvm, I see your message about ignoring now
 
7:44 PM
Ok, I registered. Looks legit indeed
 
@Dharman I see one contact from you but it seems to be marked "done". So I don't see anything outstanding... at least, not that I can see. There's bits that I can't see, though.
 
There are so many customer "servicedesk" things out there... FreshDesk, ServiceNow, Cherwell, HEAT, etc. etc.
 
@Catija support/tickets/4533
 
@TylerH Those emails are created as part of a contact from us or one you initiate, so they ignore your site settings in this regard, or they should.
@Dharman Ah, found it in FD - you submitted it after the migration, so it's not in Jira, which is where I was looking :D
OK, so - it's not because we were migrating info from Jira to FD, apparently that's just the email that FD sends to people when they create a ticket. So... I guess if you fill in the contact form now, you'll get the email.
 
Ok, can you suggest to someone to make it look less spammy?
thanks for looking into this
 
7:50 PM
Hmmm. I'll see what we can do. First I need to determine whether to put that ticket in FD or Jira.
 
😁
 
@Catija awesome, thanks!
Definitely Jira, I would think...
 
Anymore, how do you even make those emails feel less spammy?
 
Eh, I don't feel spammy. Sadly spam as a word is being thrown around here without basis.
Probably to mean "suspicious".
 
8:05 PM
Use name, use proper stack overflow logo of headed-template
Instead of saying Hi , actually put my name there
 
@Catija Well, the Stack Overflow logo would help. Naming the system in the email might help. "A shiny new system to help serve you better" is... really vague. I would expect something like "we are moving our "Contact Us" platform from Jira to FreshDesk. As part of that, this e-mail is getting sent out to all customers who have an open ticket with us" or something to that effect.
 
... and put "this is not spam" in the subject field.
 
@Dharman That makes it look more marketing.
And marketing emails are usually ignored.
 
Also yes, including the user's SO username would go a long way, since that information is not provided in the Contact Us form, it would mean the sender at least has a way to connect an e-mail address with a username
 
Putting some information only SE would know would help make it look legitimate.
So maybe the topic of the Conctact Us form
 
8:09 PM
@Catija At the risk of being a little blunt, the copy of that e-mail (and it may well be boiler plate from FreshDesk) seems to have the same issue as what is described in this tweet (CW: curse words, mildly NSFW language): twitter.com/cherrikissu/status/972524442600558594?lang=en or in other words, "non-descriptive, cutesy language that doesn't describe the actual content"
 
Legitimate for me is that DKIM, DMARC and SPF agree and the source domains/ip are under SE control. Everything else can be and will be faked.
 
@Braiam That's great from a threat perspective, but from a "is the user going to bin this" perspective, it's far more effective (even for a programming site) to make sure the body looks right
 
@Catija I think the most suspicious part, honestly, is that it's not a stackoverflow.com link.
 
that and the word "enterprise"
 
@RyanM Links can be easily spoofed by using non-latin letters.
 
8:11 PM
@TylerH If "body looks right" means "body looks like marketing trash", I prefer my important emails not looking right, tkvm
 
There's a reason phishing emails work. The body has to look convincing to the layperson. If someone doesn't even bother looking at the email closely, they will ignore it and never get to the security stuff like DKIM, DMARC, SPF, etc.
 
@Dharman Most browsers these days are not so easily fooled.
 
@TylerH Users don't need to bother about that, MTA do.
 
8:22 PM
@Dharman We can't pull that, as far as I can tell for most people, we don't even know it.
 
Hmm, then at least use a more formal Greeting without the weird whitespace that looks like it was incorrectly formatted template
Dear Stack Overflow user,
 
@RyanM Yeah, I can't fix that, though. We've explained it a few times and I'm not technically knowledgeable enough to go into any more detail about it.
@Dharman Or, at least [sitenameyouclickedthecontactformbuttonon] user
 
yes
Fix the email body and remove weird spacing
 
Yeah, I realize that it's common to need alternate domains. But it is suspicious. If it were me, I'd ideally at least redirect from a stackoverflow.com link to the alternate domain, but of course that's not always practical either.
 
stackenterprise.co seems to be the URL we're using for FD entirely. Even when I log in, that's the site I see - not a [something].freshdesk.com or anything like that.
 
8:25 PM
Use commas in proper places
"You can also track the status of any open requests by clicking the link in the footer of the response you receive." What link?
 
Well, you didn't get a response, so there's no link. I think it's just giving you future information?
But... yeah. I understand.
We're going to be spending the next few weeks getting stuff set up, so I'm probably going to put in a note with my manager about it but I think I'm going to say it's probably a bit higher priority to just get the migration done for now.
 
@Catija I think this would be more convincing for me: i.stack.imgur.com/jYd4U.png
 
Well, that's lovely! :D
 
Dharman for Community Manager! ;)
 
If at first you don't succeed, try for the next step up instead.
 
8:40 PM
@Catija How do you handle requests to delete accounts then?
Trust that the user submitting the request for UserName194823 is the one who owns that account?
Or am I misunderstanding you
 
@TylerH I was mostly thinking about people who don't use a real name but I think it's more likely y'all were talking about usernames.
I don't know that we pull the real name field into FD.
 
@Catija Ah, yeah, I at least was thinking 100% about usernames
I suspect Dharman was too but will let him speak for himself :-)
I agree somehow investigating their personal identities and putting their given name in the email would be quite the feat...
 
yes, usernames
 
So, that form can also be used by non-logged-in people, so we'd have to tell it something to do when that happens. Probably not impossible, just something we have to work through as part of the transition. :)
 
8:58 PM
I can see a try catch for that... try <look up email address to see if it matches a registered account. if yes, insert account> catch < insert "Concerned Stack Exchange Reader" > :-)
 
@Machavity When does voting open? ;-)
@miken32 Oh dear. When we say "canonical", that's... not what we mean. That's probably the most pathological case I can imagine of what not to close a question against.
 
9:17 PM
@CodyGray s/most/not/?
errr...well, the second "most"
 
Yes. Talking and typing at the same time is ineffective. At least when you're saying something different from what you're typing.
@HovercraftFullOfEels Rules are the same, regardless of who is involved. And, of course, in this case, I'm not going to cast any votes. But, I do not follow why you or others think that is clearly off-topic or unsuitable. It's not even broad. It's simply asking if it's possible to write a GUI in C# without using one of the built-in UI frameworks, like WinForms or WPF.
@HovercraftFullOfEels The user was being a jerk, so I moderated the question. At the same time, I thought it was a reasonable question, and could be a valuable contribution to SO at large, so I answered it. I think this is 100% defensible. The user continued parroting the same nonsense under the answer, so I had to moderate that as well, removing comments, etc. I don't really think there's a conflict of interest when one removes all comments under a post.
 
@CodyGray Yikes, yeah that seems like way too many steps to get to an answer in terms of appropriate dupe closer. @miken32 I am binning this as it does not seem to be an appropriate duplicate, since the question at hand is not asking what an error message means (and it's not an error that always has one answer across multiple occurring scenarios).
 
9:35 PM
@DaImTo Looks like the OP has added a code block. Would you mind re-reviewing to see if this addresses your concerns regarding an MCVE?
 
@CodyGray This seems odd... was it your action that caused the question body to redact a la the "offensive content" banner?
 
@TylerH Oh, sorry, did not notice that. (That banner doesn't show for mods.) Yes, that would be me, trying to mark a R/A flag as "helpful", even though the post could be edited to fix the issue.
I marked the R/A flag as helpful, fixed the problem, and moved on. Yet, the user overrode my edits, so I had to lock it. Anyway, now, the question has been deleted, so that "helpful" R/A flag stuck in there causes it to display the "offensive content" banner.
The fix for it is to dispute the R/A flag, but if I do that now, the question will undelete, and then it will look like I'm overriding the community's deletion of a post where I'm involved.
 
9:54 PM
And if you re-delete it, it would take a moderator to come back and undelete afterward if the community deemed it appropriate...
lovely mess ;-)
 
Exactly!
 
10:08 PM
@CodyGray Yeah, that's a frustrating extra "feature" of disputing red flags. It's reasonable for the post to be undeleted, if the post was deleted by the community user as a result of the red flags (and it's not an answer where the question is deleted). The auto-unlock would also be reasonable if it only unlocked when the lock was the spam/R/A lock applied by community. Disputing red flags is helpful to have available, but it's missing having some conditions applied to the auto actions.
 
@Makyen Yes, the undeletion should occur only if the post was deleted as a result of red flags reaching the threshold.
 
11:01 PM
@desertnaut Any way I could persuade you to leave comments like this as edit summaries instead? I'm guessing that you use the inline tag editing tool, which doesn't allow you to leave an edit summary?
 
@CodyGray I am always open to ideas :)
you think it would be better?
but yes, this would mean that I should edit the question (instead of only the tags), but this can be arranged
 
@desertnaut Yeah. The reason I think it's better is because it means no one has to go back and delete the comment later, should the question turn out to be one we want to keep around. And since it's only feedback for the OP, not for anyone else, I don't see the value in having it as a comment. The OP will still get an inbox notification that their post has been edited, so they'll still see it, in much the same way.
 
you have a point...
 
If it's a huge hassle, I understand. And it's also fine to forget once in a while. Just something to keep in mind. I see a lot of people posting comments that should really be edit summaries.
 
Does that link to somewhere that shows the edit summary?
 
11:06 PM
...probably? I think it leads to the revision history.
 
I don't remember how it works; my posts are almost never edited.
 
@CodyGray ok, I'll do that
 
@desertnaut Thanks!
 
@CodyGray you can be very persuasive, occasionally :D
 
Again, not a big deal or a criticism. Just something I like to point out. I drastically overestimate the occurrence of it, of course, since I view everything through mod-colored glasses, looking only at the edited or problematic posts.
Hehe, yeah. And when persuasion fails, I always have a bigger hammer! :-p
 
11:10 PM
@CodyGray yeah, that's why I said occasionally :D
 
11:21 PM
@CodyGray @desertnaut @RyanM There's never an inbox notification for edits which are just changes to tags. See: answer to: "No notification was received for an edit to a post" for more detail about what edits produce notifications. Short description (without some caveats): > 10 characters in displayed text in the body or the title, not Markdown (e.g. a complete change to the URL for a link won't notify), or > 2 characters of code.
If it's a suggested edit, then you do get a notification.
 
hmm
 
...oh, right. Good point. Well, there goes that strategy...
 
@Makyen right...
@Makyen that much for Cody's persuasiveness :(
 
Ah, well, no big deal. You have to open the full editor anyway to write an edit summary, so just make some other change. Isn't there always a "thanks" to remove?
 
11:41 PM
Are these really the sorts of job offers we should be flagging as spam?
Seems more like "I'm desperate to have my programming problem solved" with an overbroad problem than treating SO like a job board.
Especially the first one. The second one is...more spammy, since it's basically trying to hire someone to do the whole thing.
 
The detailed arrangements for hiring someone in the first one make it pretty spammy too IMO (which is why I flagged it).
 
Ah...that's fair. That's a little heavy on the hiring info even though they listed a specific-ish problem. I retract my objection.
 
To my understanding, offering to pay for solutions is not automatically spam. Per this meta, the offer to pay can be edited out, which is what I'm partial to if there's any hint of an on-topic question there.
 
@RyanM From SD's POV, they are TP, as we'd definitely want to block them at the system level. The first one was from 2014!, and the second from late 2020. I'm fine with red flags on both of these. However, after editing, the first one was just a close and delete, IMO.
 
Even without that they're not salvageable though - a good portion of the first one is exact arrangements for who they'd like to hire, plus the main point of the second one was to hire someone to do the whole thing for them (plus unattempted homework is OT anyway).
 
11:52 PM
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica Aside: unattempted homework is not off-topic. It should be treated exactly as if it's not a HW question when deciding whether to close-vote. If you think it's HW, feel free to leave a comment asking the OP to work harder, or whatever.
 
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