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10:44 PM
Re: the new post editor -- "our editor has been around since the beginning with few improvements in that time, so a major upgrade is in order" here's hoping that same reasoning is applied to Chat...
 
@desertnaut I see. Thanks for clarifying. Yes, I had missed your objections to this. They were not at all obvious to me, and I hadn't seen you speak clearly against it. I was not trying to do anything "behind closed doors" (which I also oppose, as a matter of principle), but merely to minimize the disruption and unnecessary discussion. I thought it was clear by virtue of them being closed that we had decided they didn't belong on SO. Your position makes sense, too, though.
@TylerH If they "improve" chat in the same way that they've "improved" the markdown editor, I'm going to be very sad...
 
@TylerH Unlikely, unless they bring back balpha
 
@CodyGray I've only skimmed the post so I can't actually tell what the difference is
seems like all the things explained in the post are things we... can already do?
 
@TylerH Preview is gone, replaced with a "rich-text/rendered" view, which, when you switch to it to use it as a preview, clobbers your markdown and does crazy things like replacing ASCII quotes with smart quotes.
 
Oh wut
I don't like losing preview...
 
10:50 PM
The nice thing is that you can edit in the "rendered" view. The bad thing is that it overwrites your markdown, so trying to use it as a preview is... ill-advised.
There are some other issues, too, but that's my big objection.
I think Catija says this in her announcement, but... it's been live on Teams for a while, at least on the Mod Team, and so I've had the displeasure of using it a couple of times. It's been extremely infuriating, to the point where I've stopped posting answers on Teams because I can't stand the editor. I'm not the only one who feels that way.
 
You mean that that it replaces ASCII quotes in code with something that the compiler can't understand is a minor point?
 
I did mention that already.
I consider that part of the big "silently rewriting markdown" objection.
 
ah, sorry
 
Fixed now. No one heard that tree fall in the forest. :-)
 
@CodyGray: Thanks! :-)
 
10:55 PM
whomp wait, what was that?
 
11:14 PM
@CodyGray thank you Cody. I didn't have any doubt that we would agree on the principles. As it seems from the ongoing discussion at Meta, the community is indeed in favor of migrating them.
 
For what it's worth, I just posted a list of deleted [machine-learning] questions in a CW answer on that Meta discussion about migration. I was encouraged to do this by the earlier discussion in here about whether these questions might get deleted and, by doing so, lose value. Combined with the issue that it's not easy for normal users to find these, which makes arguments to "give examples" almost impossible to respond to.
cc @cigien @desertnaut @DanielF @RyanM
@JeanneDark So you feel the <3?
 
dbc
11:30 PM
Is there enough content in this answer that it shouldn't be considered as spam? stackoverflow.com/a/65945202/3744182
 
^ safe to remove. OP self-deleted question.
 
You convinced the asker to delete their own question. Nevertheless, "Researchers will not be typing "NEED HELP" into their search engine. " made me smile. :-)
 
@sideshowbarker Gah, what a mess. It turns into even more of a mess when people pile on with, "OMG Y U DO THIS ILLEGAL?"
 
@CodyGray I super want to post an answer to this question (it's already written) and the OP has recently registered on JSE and the current answerer is a JSE member, but I don't want to answer it on SO. It is a good question for JSE. Do I need to wait until the OP says something before I ask for migration? stackoverflow.com/q/65856320/2943403 (sorry, forgot to paste the link)
 
11:41 PM
Waffles
No, OP doesn't need to request it. It's more a question of whether it's off-topic for SO. We don't like to migrate questions from the site where they're asked unless they're off-topic there.
 
dbc
Gah, what a mess. - I found that comment thread rather charming. A break from the usual stackoverflow professionalism.
 
@dbc Is this your first time reading my messages? :-)
 
dbc
@CodyGray Nope. But I did get a laugh.
 
@mickmackusa Why do you not want to answer it on SO?
 
Because I am trying to grow my community. I do not grow my community by answering Joomla questions on SO. That would actively detract from my mission.
 
dbc
11:45 PM
Results found Search options title NEED HELP questions only: 18,839 results.
 
Mmm. Yeah... But trying to grow your community at the expense of my community is something I take issue with. Some of the comments (threatening users by holding an answer hostage unless you post on another site) are beyond the line of what I'd like to see.
 
@dbc And when you searched "NEED HELP" did you find what you were looking for?
 
@CodyGray yeah can’t understand the mindset of the others who even comment there, let alone post answers
 
This has been discussed before, but why should we bother having a JSE (or Wordpress or Drupal, etc) if Joomla questions are not asked there?
 
I don't have an answer to that, to be honest. I've never been a big fan of breaking up into separate sites what should really just be separate tag communities. A better option in my mind would have been to elect/designate tag moderators, rather than breaking out into separate sites.
To some extent, we now have this with gold tag badge holders' expanded privileges.
But they could obviously do to be expanded more.
 
11:48 PM
Well the horse has bolted on these CMS communities. I am a moderator of a zombie beta site -- I am just trying to grow my zombie.
Okay, I'll just cross my fingers and wait for the OP to post it on JSE. If/When he does, I'll seek to close/delete the question on SO (and its earlier version on SO).
 
I understand the motivation, but at the same time, the rules surrounding migration are pretty clear: we don't migrate questions unless they're off-topic.
And I really don't like the idea of bullying people to post elsewhere.
It just... easily goes wrong.
 
Sure, I get you. I don't like the idea of posting Joomla questions on Stack Overflow when there is a dedicated SE community for it. Just different perspectives. I am not trying to "steal from SO", I am just trying to employ "mise en place" (everything put in its place).
 
If Joomla was deemed off-topic for SO, I'd be totally fine with that. There are certainly aspects of Joomla that are off-topic for SO (i.e., anything that isn't programming).
 
Yep, all good. Thought I'd ask. I'll wait and see what the OP does.
 
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