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12:01 AM
@10Rep That's not a verbatim of another Answer. It's an Answer. It should not be deleted in the Low Quality Posts queue.
 
@Scratte I did recommend to delete it. Afterwards I was going to edit it, but I wasn't sure what to think.
 
@10Rep You must have misclicked.. because the review says you Recommended deletion 4 minutes ago. Ah.. nice edit on you message there. :)
 
@Scratte I realized my typo just before your message.
 
@10Rep It's an answer. Not a very good one, but it is not NAA, IMHO.
 
+1 ^
 
12:05 AM
^ what the Mole said :)
 
@AdrianMole Yeah, that's what I thought. But I'm not familiar with HTML.
 
Then the "Skip" button is the correct action for you in that review.
 
@10Rep You don't need to be familiar with a technology to know if an Answer is NAA. If it seems like it's trying to Answer, then it's not NAA.
I get confused about link-only and almost link-only Answers though.
 
I see many answers like that in LQP. Even though I may or may not be an SME, I just can't bring myself to click, "Looks OK" ... so I Skip.
 
@Scratte Yeah, but some answers provide info that isn't related to the question. They seem like answers, but really aren't.
 
12:08 AM
@10Rep I think you should remove your comment on this Answer. I may lead others to "misclick" as well..
@10Rep That doesn't matter. They are not NAA if they attempt to Answer even a different Question :)
 
@Scratte Ok, now that is weird.
 
If you want those types of Answers removed, you'll need to get 20K reputation points and use delete votes outside of the Low Quality Posts queue.
 
Should I approve or reject this edit? stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/27253732
 
@Scratte Well, the advice in the "more" tab of the LQP queue says: Delete[Recommend Deletion] if this answer cannot be fixed and should be removed.
 
There are a few posts about this: When to flag an answer as “not an answer”?
 
12:14 AM
@Scratte I saw the your answer is in another castle one. Seems weird that you need to have 20k to delete them.
 
@10Rep I certainly would, that link seems to add very little value
 
@10Rep I agree with @RyanM, approve it...
 
@RyanM I skipped it in the end. but thanks anyways.
 
12:17 AM
No problem. I approved it.
 
@AdrianMole Are you trying to say that the text there will save you from a review-suspension of you delete a post that shouldn't have been? :D
 
Note to self: do not forget to log in tomorrow
 
@Scratte My defence counsel may bring it up in the Kangaroo Court. ;-P
@DanielWiddis Hehe - I have reached 80+ on Meta for that badge, at least twice, then one careless lapse ...
 
@DanielWiddis Oh!.. it's your birthday tomorrow :) Hmm.. you're more than 8 years old :O
 
@DanielWiddis You log out?
 
12:27 AM
The real trick is if @DanielWiddis forgets to log in tomorrow and time is nearing midnight, how are any of us going to be able to help?!? :)
 
@10Rep Still here. Doing laundry. :)
@AdrianMole Given I've been here 1681 days (4.6 years) out of 8.6 years it's likely I was close before without noticing.
 
@AdrianMole I forgot to log into Meta once...basically the day after I got the badge on main ^^;
 
The difference in effort between those Gold badges is just mind blowing though. Compare Fanatic with Socratic or Illuminator
 
@Scratte Illuminator is not as hard as Socratic, though.
 
I'm at 67/500 for Illuminator. I'm definitely going for it :-p
I'll probably never get Socratic.
 
12:34 AM
@RyanM meanwhile, i'm at 9...
 
Amusingly, I was just looking at what my hypothetical candidate score would be on Law.SE, and realized I've never done a rollback there...
people don't vandalize their posts enough there :D
 
@10Rep True.. Illuminator is isolated.
 
I wish there was a badge for getting the most review bans. Now that's something I'm good at :)
 
Oh.. I'm apparently at 3/500. I guess I'll stay there forever :D
 
@Scratte Try earning curios, I just earned it.
 
12:37 AM
@Scratte I still think you would find 3k beneficial to your goals here :-)
well...maybe not your goal of getting a lot of flags with few declines.
 
@RyanM Can't you just flag after close voting? Or is that bad?
 
@RyanM You mean 2K for full edit privileges?
@10Rep I don't ask Questions.
 
@10Rep You actually can't: the option to flag for closure goes away when you hit 3k, so basically all your flags are eligible to go to moderators who might decline them :-p
The close queue does decline flags, but it's rare: 3 people need to say you're wrong with no one agreeing with you.
 
@RyanM Imma stay at 2k, then.
I want a big flag number
 
@Scratte I mean 3K for reopen votes
@10Rep it's still possible, I have tons of flags (2,264 helpful) and they're almost all post-3K :-)
 
12:39 AM
@RyanM Huh?.. How is that going to help with the Illuminator badge?
 
@Scratte ah no I meant your general goals, not Illuminator specifically
 
14 for Socratic, 18 for Illuminator. Sadly my expertise is in a low traffic tag so lots of answers (some accepted) but few upvotes. Even my dupe-hammer progress is laughable. 161 score out of 165 answers. :D
 
I'm up to 291 (on 269 answers) on the dupehammer. Very few upvotes to go around in [android].
 
@RyanM I need a surefire way of finding NAA's. My filter isn't complete yet, so I'll pass for now and flag closable posts.
 
@10Rep SOBotics is a great source of 'em.
 
12:41 AM
@RyanM Ohh.. my goal for Stack Overflow? :)
 
Yep :-)
 
That's going to take a lot more than just little me and 50 reopen votes a day though.
 
@RyanM Oh yes, this is what I was looking for. thx
Should I have approved this suggestion? stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/27254208
 
@DanielWiddis If I come across some good ones to Answer, I'll let you know :)
 
@10Rep Yep, I'd have approved that.
...and then closed the question, which I've now done.
 
12:44 AM
@Scratte Thanks. That Java one you found for me the other day netted several votes. I owe you a finder's fee. ;)
 
@RyanM Ok, thanks. I was worried because of the one rejection vote, even though the edit is useful.
 
Yeah, I assume the rejection was for not fixing the fact that it's still totally unanswerable.
Some people don't approve of what might be referred to as turd-polishing.
Personally I'll approve anything that meaningfully improves the question in some way, which that did.
 
I don't look at the question itself when reviewing edits.
 
@DanielWiddis Wasn't that a long time ago though? The one about RoundingMode? I must admit that they don't come very often in the Triage queue ;)
 
Because the quality of the post has nothing to do with the quality of the suggested edit.
 
12:47 AM
@Scratte Long time ago is relative when you're my age. "This year" is recent.
 
But I draw the line at completely useless edits like capitalizing proper nouns in complete messes from ages ago, or changing phrasing that was already acceptable.
I do occasionally get meta upvotes for telling people those edits are useless :-)
 
@DanielWiddis When you have time some day I may ask you about some bytecode though.. I have the impression you're an expert :)
 
@Scratte ...bytecode questions? interest is piqued
 
@Scratte I know a little bit about a lot of things.
 
@Scratte So machine language? 01001001 00100111 01101101 00100000 01101001 01101110 01110100 01100101 01110010 01100101 01110011 01110100 01100101 01100100 00001010
 
12:49 AM
I should disclaim that I find bytecode questions interesting. I'm not an expert by any stretch, but I know a thing or three.
 
It's just a silly question of mine.. not a Question on Stack.
I'll put my silly question in the Ministry tomorrow or Monday. It's nearing 3 in the morning here..
 
@Scratte 3?!?
 
exactly 3, yes
 
Close enough.. it's 02:50 on Sunday 27th of September where I'm at :)
 
@Scratte small world!
 
12:52 AM
0: getstatic #7 // Field java/lang/System.out:Ljava/io/PrintStream;
3: ldc #13 // String I\'m interested
5: invokevirtual #15 // Method java/io/PrintStream.println:(Ljava/lang/String;)V
 
@RyanM Respect if you understand all that text :)
 
@RyanM When you put it like that bytecode looks to simple :) but.. how you get the #?
 
@10Rep The text I just pasted? I can in fact read that relatively easily :-) I've had to debug bytecode issues enough times...
@Scratte I leave such details to the disassembler ;-)
 
@RyanM You mean you winged the numbers in the example?!? :)
 
nice. To me it looks like jiberrish.
 
12:55 AM
I've fortunately never had to generate the bytecode myself.
@Scratte No, I actually wrote the program in Java and then disassembled it :-p
 
@AndrasDeak Or.. long world? :)
 
regrets learning only python
 
@RyanM Ohh.. and here I thought you had just poped that right out of your head :D
 
@10Rep the JVM is stack-based, so the getstatic pushes the object at System.out onto the stack, ldc (load constant) pushes the constant string "I'm interested" onto the stack, and then invokevirtual invokes the println method on the object and argument that are now on the stack
@Scratte Unfortunately, I can only read bytecode, not so much write it myself :-p
 
But what if the stack was full? What would happen? :)
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12:59 AM
@DanielWiddis I dunno, but I bet whatever it is would be a great website name.
 
^ I'm dying here :D
 
One time I asked a question about this code
```
def func():
func()
```
a stackoverflow on stackoverflow :)
 
@10Rep enjoying the arbitrary, inscrutable limitations of Stack Exchange chat markdown? ;-)
(now you know why I had to edit my message a few times to get it right...)
 
@RyanM very much so.
It's so weird why markdown for chat is different
 
1:02 AM
for reference, the only formatting that works in multiline chat messages is the "fixed font" feature that's expressed as multiple spaces at the start of each line.
 
@RyanM Or a click of a button.
 
or ctrl+k
 
@Scratte a button which inserts multiple spaces at the start of each line, yes ;-)
 
@10Rep actually, code fences are very new on main
 
@AndrasDeak oh? when were they added?
 
1:04 AM
@RyanM Fair enough.. but I like buttons :D
 
@AndrasDeak Like 2 years ago?
 
1.5, yes
on a scale of 1 to "ignore chat completely", that's nothing
 
@10Rep I still haven't figured out how to backtick escape a backslash in chat.
 
@DanielWiddis Huh?
 
1:05 AM
@DanielWiddis I don't think that even exists in chat markdown.
 
@AndrasDeak I think they'll be adding those to chat in 6 to 8 weeks.
@10Rep Which, backticks or the backslash? \
But not backticked backslashes like ``.
 
@DanielWiddis backslash to escape backticks.
 
@10Rep Right. It's impossible to render a code-font single backslash. One does ` and two does \`.
Maybe three? `\\` ...
Nope.
 
\ <-- see :) You can even write \n Use two backticks.. and yes, it's in code font, both of them :)
 
@Scratte That's not in code-font. :)
Also we're getting WAY off-topic here.
 
1:09 AM
@DanielWiddis Chat is a place to kinda cooldown
 
@DanielWiddis See the plain message here
 
@Scratte thank you for educating me! Now you should be in bed!
 
@DanielWiddis whats a bed?
 
@10Rep A place where I thought about coding things in a horizontal position last night.
 
 
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9:07 AM
I noticed the footer of Stack says "site design / logo © 2020 Stack Exchange Inc;..". When a user then uses the Stack logo as an avatar, are they violating the copyright rules?
 
@Scratte After reading this stackoverflow.com/legal/trademark-guidance, section 'Promoting your own Account', I would say yes
 
To extend on @Vega 's comment:
**Promoting your own Account** [...] Do use the same guidelines as "Advertising" when promoting your own account.
**Use of Our Name or Logo in Advertising** [...] Do not use our logo unless you have been granted special permission by Stack Exchange Inc.
 
So someone may think that their account is "endorsed by" Stack Overflow?
 
I've seen users with the logo. Should I flag it with a custom moderator flag? (Is there a chance it will be declined? :)
 
9:47 AM
@Scratte I wouldn't bother - there is little curation value in enforcing SO's IP rights, IMO.
(And it only encourages the lawyers).
 
@halfer OK. Thanks :) (What's "IP" rights?)
 
@Scratte Intellectual Property i.e. the legal right to claim ownership of a design or an idea. It can sometimes be over-applied by wealthy companies, IMO.
 
@halfer That is true. There's a great danish music band that had to change their name due to this :(
It used to be called "Disneyland After Dark". They changed it to "D.A.D." but everyone knows the original name, so there are lots of people just calling them "Disneyland" still.
 
10:04 AM
@Scratte They made some funny songs. This one is I Won't Cut My Hair
 
 
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I made a mistake and flagged this a low quality and meant to flag it as for another community. I was not able to retract the original flag and ended up flagging it twice.
 
@ChrisCatignani Are you asking us to do something?
 
@mickmackusa Does that one really need to go quickly? (Roomba will have its wicked way with it in 10 days.) Also, are some things attractively too broad, in your eyes? ;-P
 
@Dharman He picked a different close reason than he meant to. It's dealt with now
 
@ChrisCatignani If you flagged it as VLQ then I assume a moderator will decline it and delete the question.
 
2:29 PM
@Dhamam Sorry...First comment and I hit enter...I was wondering if thats how the flagging works...can you flag something more than once...it just seemed a little wonky.
 
You flagged it for closure. You got it right. The reasoning is less important
Oh, I see. Yes, you did have a VLQ flag and a closure flag. Apparently you can have both
 
I did notice one thing that may not really apply here: So...I've been banned for life from the review que(totally my fault)...but I can still edit. If I go to edit when there is already a pending edit...I will give me the banned message. I quess it thought I was reviewing an edit?
 
Anyone see enough of an answer here (it does say "I don't know how to do this" at the start) that it might fail as an NAA? stackoverflow.com/a/64021129
 
@DavidBuck Hmmm ... The parenthesised I suggest you to do some googling about this first could be construed as a vague sort of answer.
 
@AdrianMole no way
"google it" is not an answer on SO
 
2:42 PM
I'm not saying that I would construe it as such.
 
at that point literally anything can be construed as an answer
 
@AndrasDeak This is the problem.
 
the tone of the "thanks this worked" can help future readers find the right answer
@DavidBuck but I disagree with that point. Lots of things are not answers, and "google it" is one.
 
@AndrasDeak But "Use webview" is borderline
 
@DavidBuck that part is; I just opened it
Adrian was pointing to the least answer-like part of that answer
"then you can use webview to display ads" is proper borderline
 
2:44 PM
@AndrasDeak Although it does answer a question that the OP didn't ask
 
"How can I find information on the internet?"
not an on-topic question on SO
 
Before yesterday I would have CV'd the question as needs focus, too, but after discussions here I'm not sure the question is ambiguous.
Well someone moderatory has made the answer a comment so now it will Roomba in 5 days without closing it. Seems fair.
 
Is this tag useful at all? stackoverflow.com/…
 
I secretly hope it's an implementation of dolby surround
 
2:55 PM
@Dharman The fact that you have to wonder is enough for me.
 
@Dharman Depends on whether php-5.1 is different from other versions, so much so that it actually needs a different tag.
I mean python - 3.x needs it's own tag because there were a whole load of changes. But I don't know about php.
 
It's hard to tell. That version is long gone
It has only 1 question
 
@Dharman those two messages are your answer
 
But is it version specific? Like does PHP 5.1 have some feature that puts it seperately from all other versions? I would say don't remove the tag from that 1 question.
 
tag for an obsolete minor version released 15 years ago, with a single question in the tag
 
2:59 PM
@AndrasDeak But that question is related to the tag. Link: stackoverflow.com/questions/58715159/use-of-class-method
 
I'm against version tags in general because askers are very unreliable actually identifying that their issue is specific to their version (usually it means that that was the version they happened to be using) and makes it harder for answerers to follow tags since they constantly have to monitor several tags.
 
@10Rep so?
 
presumably python 2 / 3 is an exception?
 
@AndrasDeak Maybe it would require that tag? Again, I would definitely remove it as the question is also Low Quality.
 
Half the time we don't burn tags because they are used wrong, but because the tags themselves are unnecessary.
 
3:02 PM
@JohnDvorak Meh, not even then. How many questions have you actually seen that it was relevant the version. I've seen only one: how to print hello world and the answer covers both :)
 
Just because a question could be tagged with a crap tag doesn't mean the crap tag is not crap.
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@Braiam there are a lot of differences, and parentheses in print are trivial. That being said I've yet to see a well-tagged question.
 
@AndrasDeak Exactly my point: for 99% of the problems that are asked, version is irrelevant.
And at that point, why have a tag at all?
 
@AndrasDeak Yeah, often times I see question tagged python-3.x don't even have the main python tag, and the version is completely irrelevant
 
I don't really object. There are no "python 3 experts", and a question's version specifity could be conveyed in the question body
3
Although is great as an ignored tag ;)
 
@AndrasDeak Ha! I doubt so, since they are less than one hundred of all python questions recently asked.
 
3:06 PM
@AndrasDeak you mean specificity
 
@ChrisCatignani Review-suspension cover all review queues. When you open it up, you're really reviewing an edit, which is in a review queue. If there's a pending edit, just wait until it's been reviewed by other users.
 
@ChrisCatignani You can overwrite that edit since you are >2k.
 
@10Rep Why would you even do that?!?.. Giving someone else's edit an auto-rejection?
 
@Scratte It doesn't auto-reject. It does no harm to the suggested edit owner.
There is a meta post about this: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/363206/12708583
 
@Scratte you can both auto-accept and auto-reject edits
 
3:19 PM
@AndrasDeak But they are review-suspended.
 
Who's "they"? When? Premise?
 
@Scratte They can still override the edit. I know because I tried.
 
I've yet to see someone get a review ban due to an auto-accepted edit suggestion...
 
"Force edit"?.. What does that do the editor's edit?
 
@Scratte It just withers away. They don't lose nor gain reputation
 
3:20 PM
@Scratte not force, "improve". It single-handedly accepts it and appends your own follow-up
Are we talking about two different things?
 
@10Rep No. It doesn't: "With all methods of forcing an edit, saving your changes will override the current pending edit.." THIS is the reason I stopped editing at all. I don't want a bad record just because someone else is in a hurry.
 
I'm talking about 2k edits in general. Are you talking about edits made on someone's own post they can reject retroactively?
 
@Scratte Yes, it auto accepts. It's the same as clicking Improve edit in the review queue. You can think of it as accepting their edit and then editing yourself. That's also another perk of reaching 2k.
 
@10Rep Show me one of those then.
 
Sure
 
3:22 PM
@Scratte get to 2k and see for yourself :P
 
@AndrasDeak I'm in no rush. I also don't edit anymore. I have one rejected edit due to a forced edit. Not inclined to risk adding to that.
 
Oh noes, a reject
 
I have 5 rejected edits, but I have 517 good ones.
 
Well, if the sites wants me to improve things, they shouldn't punish me.
 
3:24 PM
@10Rep It directly says in this post "With all methods of forcing an edit, saving your changes will override the current pending edit, causing the currently pending edit to be rejected by the Community user as an edit conflict." <-- That is a rejected edit.
 
@Scratte They don't lose reputation, and that happens all the time. It's happened to me at least 3 or 4 times. It shouldn't be done all the time. I only do it for posts that are spammy and need immediate attention.
 
@10Rep clearly you're not familiar with Scratte's workflow :)
 
@10Rep So you're saying that it's perfectly fine because 1. I happened to you. 2. They don't loose reputation. and 3. Their work means.. nothing?
 
@Scratte the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Or the one. Surely Mr Spock's last words mean something.
 
@Scratte Yes, Yes, and no. I don't enjoy making users suffer. Not my pastime. I only do it when I feel it's neccessary.
Even if you have 100 of those rejected edits, it won't add up to an edit ban
 
3:29 PM
@10Rep Except you just told another user to use this method because they can't review suggested edits.
@10Rep It counts on one's statistics!
 
@Scratte But it doesn't lead to an edit ban. That's also why I didn't edit spammy posts pre 2k. Because in all likelihood, a 2k would have overrode it.
 
@10Rep My priorities are like this: I put time into an edit and I care for my statistics. I do not care about the reputation points at all, but one of those types of rejected edits made me just stop editing. It's not worth my time when others don't care for it.
 
@Scratte you absolutely care about the reputation points
 
@AndrasDeak Yes, I do.. I care that it doesn't increase :) But 2 are easy to lose
 
yup
 
3:34 PM
My point was that I never did the edits for the 2 reputation points.
 
But in my defense I rarely do it. I only do it in urgent matters when I can't review, or accepting the edit will take too long. After all, 2 other users need to accept it as well.
 
@10Rep So, you care about edit bans. I don't. I have other priorities. Your argument that as long as it doesn't hurt what you care about, then it's fine, is just not valid. We all have different priorites.
@10Rep You know that you're not suppose to edit spam, right?
 
@Scratte Sometimes I remove self promotion at the end of an otherwise useful answer.
@Scratte And it wouldn't be a feature if the site dev's didn't think it's a good idea.
 
@10Rep It's not a "feature". There's a "feature-request" to not have it count as a rejected edit. Also, you're still saying to someone else: Your work was useless. The post you linked to also uses a user script. That's not part of site features.
 
@Scratte tell me about it
 
3:42 PM
@Scratte I mean, maybe it shouldn't count as a rejected edit. That's something I have no control over. Maybe it should count as "disputed" or something.
 
@AndrasDeak The things is that it's just as easy to go and accept and improve as it is to force an edit. So I'm not really seeing why one would want to squander someone else's work. It seems unkind to me.
 
@Scratte I mean, that's kinda like saying downvotes are not kind.
 
@10Rep why disputed? Do you know what the other edit was?
@10Rep No, it's not, unless you go and downvote posts without even looking at them. If you didn't even check to see what the edit was, but you chose to just force an edit, that's unkind.
 
@Scratte I always check what the edit is. I can't speak for everyone else, but I click the edit button out of habit, and then see an edit is pending. If it's a good one, then I just leave the post alone. If it's a bad one, then I override it.
 
3:46 PM
@10Rep So you're using the review to do it.. that's not the same as a forced edit form the post you linked to.
 
@Scratte No, I first check what the edit is, and if I want to override, then I use the method the post linked, which is to enter the right url.
 
@10Rep Why? Then the user can see there was an edit conflict and have no idea their edit is bad.
 
@Scratte When I saw that message for the first time, I thought my edit was good, but someone else needed to edit it, and they clashed.
 
I don't see how that's a very good argument, though.
Just because this happened to me, doesn't give me the right to do it to others.
 
@Scratte It's not a bad thing, though. What makes you say that? It's not unkind, and I'm not doing it to make the other user angry.
 
3:52 PM
@10Rep I've stated it already. You can reject and edit. Or approve and edit. No reason at at for you to use a forced edit. And some users will just get demotivated from it.
You can say I'm just weird. Which I am, but I'm not the only one.. there's more than one meta post about this and lots of users not happy with rejected edits due to conflicts.
 
@Scratte You shouldn't take it to heart. and I don't like the fact that it rejects the edit, so I might stop doing it.
 
@10Rep Maybe I shouldn't. But that's just passion in a sense. Which sort is the driver of this site. I can certainly not care. But once I just don't care, there's nothing for me here. Why even clean up the site? My life will not change, I can easily see a spam post or a bad post and just go "meh", right?
 
@Scratte Yeah, you don't have to flag spam. And I agree it can be discouraging to users who suggest edits. But that doesn't mean 2k users have to stop doing it. maybe it should be changed up, as you say.
 
People usually care for whatever they put their work into. If I spend 15 minutes editing a post and my efforts is squandered, then.. I do take to heart. It was my time, my effort and I'll learn to put that energy into something else instead.
I'd say that if you can see there's a suggested edit, then the system will make you evaluate the edit. A user script will circumvent the system. It wasn't designed for that.
 
@Scratte The userscript just gives you easier access to something which is available from a link that already exists in the revisions page. So, yes, the system was specifically designed to permit it.
I'm not saying that your other arguments are wrong, just that the userscript doesn't enable something which isn't already provided by the site.
 
4:06 PM
@Makyen Sorry. My mistake. I don't have those privileges. I assume you made a "hack" to enable it :)
 
@Scratte While I did make the bookmarklets, someone else made the userscript.
 
@Makyen Heh.. OK. Details are important with attribution :) Thank you for your input, btw.
 
@Scratte IMO, there are some good reasons to use a forced edit. As with many things, it's just a tool, which can be used appropriately or inappropriately. In the past, I've routinely used forced edits when I've felt the edit should definitely be rejected, but the user should also get an actual reason for why it was rejected. In such cases, I've used the suggested edit review to reject the edit, usually giving a custom reason. I've then forced an edit, which fully rejects the suggested edit.
 
@Makyen That is a conscientious way of doing it. It wasn't my impression that others are doing it like that.
It seemed to me that it being used to not having to do the review of the suggested edit. Or to use it to make editing faster when there's a suggested edit on the post.
 
4:38 PM
Forcing an edit is also potentially useful if somebody has 'exhausted' all their Edit Review quota and comes across a suggested edit that really needs to be overwritten. (For those folks who don't know about SOCVR, that is!)
 
@AdrianMole Like a spam edit? But.. those users tend to not be passionate users, do they? I mean their passion is probably spamming ;)
 
That's one possibility ... but it's the user who wants to fix it that would have the passion, is not?
 
@AdrianMole Ahh.. you mean a user fixed a bad post and one overwrites that?
For what it's worth my advice to <2K users that actually care is: Don't. If you must edit, pick a post that's over 60 days old. Something no one notices.
 
Hmm. Not really. Let's say I come across a post (organically) that needs an edit (IMHO). If there's a pending edit, then I can't actually make that edit in the normal way, if there is a pending suggested edit: clicking the button (which will look like "edit(1)") will just take me to the review queue, and inform me that I've done 20/40 reviews already, today. So I have to use more devious methods.
 
@AdrianMole But why can you not just let the queue do it by someone else?
 
4:44 PM
... that could take weeks!
 
So? Does it matter? Maybe someone else sees the edit(1) and does it instead. Why do you have to do it? :)
 
@Scratte Using a forced edit just to avoid reviewing an edit does seem a bit off, IMO. "Make editing faster" could be similar to "Reject and Edit" and may be a valid reason, assuming the user at least looked at the suggested edit and decided that it should be rejected.
If the reviewer feels it will take more time, or is harder, to get the post to the state the reviewer feels should be the final state of the post with the suggested edit approved than it would be to get to that same final state without the suggested edit, that's a valid reason to reject the edit (either in the queue or as a forced edit).
BTW: In general, it's better to focus on what you really have a problem with, which is how the tool is used, rather than the existence of the tool. At a minimum, it prevents getting in discussions about the tool not being all bad. :)
 
@Makyen I'm not saying that the tool it bad. If I implied that, I did it wrong. I took notice that the tool was suggested to a user that cannot review suggested edits. That was in my opinion not a very fruitful solution to all the editors out there, trying to make posts better.
 
@Makyen Absolutely! If I still have edit review quota left in such a situation, then I would use the review queue to make my edit: either "Reject and Edit" or "Improve Edit" (or even just a plain "Approve," if that's appropriate). I would only use the 'Forced Edit' link (which doesn't require any userscript, btw) if I was out and I felt the edit was urgent.
 
 
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@TylerH Congratulations on reaching #9 in the list of all-time Close Vote Reviewers! (Any specific reason you stopped at exactly 29001?) xD
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9:08 PM
Whoa!?
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels it's just that I hadn't actually check in earlier in the day...
 
9:41 PM
@AdrianMole Do you have a bot that finds these?
 
@Scratte Well, it's not my bot, but I check it's behaviour! (It's called Natty!)
... if I see a rude one, I come here and report it.
 
@AdrianMole Nice of you to take Natty for a walk :) Such a cute little puppy :)
 
... if only puppies stayed on "all-liquid diets!" xD
 
I think Natty is one a unicode diet.. and poops out NAAs :)
I think smokey just gave a very long NAA to be honest.
 
10:02 PM
@Scratte I guess the URL having the same name as the poster's username triggered Smokey's buzzer.
 
I think my head is broken. I always see my mistakes when I read my own comments, but not when I write them?!?
 
@Scratte Don't worry about it, everyone's head is broken ;=)
 
10:19 PM
@halfer Thank you. Everyone is normal :D
 
@Scratte Weren't you at 1950 rep earlier today?
 
@bad_coder I was.. I came across some bad Answers. Dharman's teachings have reached me :)
 
@Scratte That's fairly normal for us humans. There are a variety of cognitive shortcuts which our brains automatically take which cause it to gloss over things with which we are already very familiar. It takes effort and concentration to break through those, and sometimes it doesn't happen immediately, even then. That's one of the reasons it's often easier to see issues in other people's work than your own.
For your own work, it can be that you need to leave it alone for a while in order for your brain to treat it as "new", so you get a fresh look at it. That's one of the reasons it's often a good idea to write something, then let it sit for a time (at least several minutes, up to days/weeks) prior to going back to refine it.
 
@Makyen I think there also may be something else at play. My head thinks I wrote one word and while I think that's set in stone my mind thinks about the next thing and by accident uses the wrong word (the one I'm thinking of ahead of typing instead of the one I wanted to type)
 
10:45 PM
@Scratte Do you have any plans of reaching 2k in 2020? :/
 
@bad_coder No :) I already have the most important privilege :) 2K doesn't bring anything that I need.
 
@Scratte We all want to see you at 2k, don't deny folks that pleasure.
 
@bad_coder I thought "they" want me at 3K, so I can put close votes on all the request here xD
 
@Scratte BTW, what's "the most important privilege"? Comment everywhere? Raise flags?
@Scratte It's one step at a time, lets not get ahead of ourselves :D
 
@bad_coder For me that's "comment everywhere"
@bad_coder I think it takes more determination to get to the "elite flagger" status, than it takes to get to 3K. I'm not even halfway to being an elite flagger.
 
10:57 PM
@Scratte except, maybe, post on meta and talk in chat :D Beause you're talkative, image SO being bland without your presence :D
 
@bad_coder That's already covered by the 50 reputation points at "comment everywhere" :)
 
@Scratte get the 2k, common....The "elite flagger" takes time, patience, low risk flagging, and if necessaey sitting on Dharman's chat room flagging VLQ as they come in...
 
@bad_coder I do sit in there sometimes and go through the ones that's not autoflagged. But I do not think I'm the only one. It's a really great room to lurk :)
 
Maybe we should suggest bronze/silver/gold badges for "Flag Lurkers" ... but what to call them? Bronze = "The Squirrel" Silver = "The Mole" Gold = ???
 
The unicorn? The puppy?
 
11:03 PM
hehe
Hmmm. I wonder what Natty's rating as a flagger is?
 
I'm going to guess gold. Maybe only silver. The declined ratio needs to be quite low to get a good standing. I do not think it's possible for a bot to reach that level of accuracy, unless it's a very reluctant flagger. And natty doesn't seem to be reluctant enough.
 
@Scratte 2k. SO will be a better place with you having that privilege.
 
@bad_coder it seems for me it's "comment everywhere" because I've made over 11000 comments in 2-1/2 years. But I would otherwise say vote to close (so much more reliable than flagging) and then the dupe hammers.
 
@bad_coder You're assuming I would use it. But I do not think I will.
 
Don't forget that the "Vote to Close" privilege also implies the "Vote to Reopen" privilege.
 
11:09 PM
@bad_coder Edit.
 
@Nick The talkative type :D I consider that a quality if done right, and from what I've seen you're a good conversationalist. (Delete votes also seem extremely important, it's the last privilege and the site would certainly be a mess without them.)
 
It's the privilege that allows you to actually fix things
 
@Scratte Braiam said it best!
 
@bad_coder There's some history surrounding this for me. And I know some use it to fix things. Some don't.. sometimes edits are just annoying.
 
@Scratte what's the history?
@AdrianMole Welsh breakfast, good wine...
 
11:19 PM
@bad_coder We've kind of had the meat of the conversation here today. In short: a rejected edit due to "edit conflicted with a subsequent edit". I can see that it was back in April. I've been not editing for a much longer time, than I ever edited.
 
@Scratte nevermind that. 2k would be excellent.
 
@bad_coder ..I expect you will be disappointed if/when I get a "Voting corrected" then :D
 
11:45 PM
 
11:58 PM
Sportsball over. My team won. Hanging out for 2 minutes to log in to SO before I forget. :D
 

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