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9:00 PM
@Anticom It usually takes me 2 minutes to Skip a post and often 5-10 minutes to mark it "No actions needed"
 
Google said it's Small and Medium-Sized Enterprise and I was confused
 
@Anticom Not if you ask me. But.. I would also Skip the post, because a small action is needed :)
But I'm a very big Skipper.. I think I Skip about 90%.
 
@Anticom Edits should fix what is wrong with the post. Cosmetic changes to a post that needs closure isn't helpful
 
That's what I was estimating when you said you skip everything where you're not familiar with the technology
 
@AndrasDeak FWIW the typo close reason does include the secondary reason "unlikely to help others"
that's as close as we've got for "too localized" for now and for always (as I peer into my crystal ball)
 
9:04 PM
@TylerH works for me, but people tend to complain when the "unlikely to help future readers" reason gets overused
 
@Machavity Is reformatting unformatted code considered editing code?
 
@Anticom Formatting is not code, no. In fact, it's the most common reason to edit. Many users get the markdown wrong
Editing code would be something like changing variable names, adding/removing functions, etc
 
@Machavity No I mean missing indentation in a code snippet
It's not a MD issue
 
Got a link?
 
9:06 PM
Unless it's python, indentation usually helps to make the post better :)
 
.:D
 
@Anticom You'll need to edit this in the 2 minute window.. add something in the beginning of the message, like: . Press arrow up to get to your previous message for edit.
 
@Scratte I don't get it
@Machavity Can I withdraw a queued edit?
 
@Anticom No one-boxing in messages in this chat-room. All links need to be ..just links. No big boxes containing the content.
 
@Scratte I can edit those now. Nice
 
9:10 PM
@Scratte ah and the SO chat renders those preview boxes whenver there's just a link w/o anything else in the message?
 
@Anticom Correct. Any text before the link prevents it
 
@Anticom Yes :) Or you can use the famous toilet overview: []() :)
 
@AndrasDeak funnily enough, they all got overused as people used them as a catchall for "you need to learn more programming before asking here"... the chosen reason just changed as devs/CMs removed them
I suspect we'd see quite a precipitous drop in 'CV reason misuse' if we got back a 'lacks minimal understanding' close reason
of course, that'd see the valid closure of a lot of questions currently on-topic on SO, too...
 
@TylerH phew, I use "too broad" for that
or maybe unclear :P
 
I feel like "lacks minimal understanding" was supposed to be for questions that don't understand basic logic (or similar issues), like asking why the else block of an if statement is getting called with an obviously non-exhaustive set of conditions outside the else block, but got overused for anything basic.
 
9:14 PM
@RyanM I can imagine it being legitimately applied to "not even wrong" questions too
Like an answer I saw a few days ago that suggested that using a heavier IDE would lead to more RAM use, thereby speeding up for loops in python. Well, imagine that as a question.
 
@AndrasDeak ...I'm speechless
 
@Anticom I don't see what's wrong there. What do you want to edit?
 
oh goodness. I try not to look too much at [android] answers to basic debugging questions...it's too frustrating.
If I see many more suggestions to fix NullPointerExceptions by moving the obviously incorrect code from onCreateView to onViewCreated, I might scream.
 
PHP is worse. Debugging is disabled by default and people do queries willy-nilly without checking if the query succeeded
 
(that's the fix for a very specific class of NPEs, but the people suggesting it have no idea what that class is)
 
9:18 PM
@RyanM On the internet, no one can hear you scream..
 
@Scratte Or punch you (yet)
 
There's a couple of things:
1. "so I've seen this [...]" spelling (capital s)
1. "why my React won't" bad wording
1. "* Thanks in advance!" Wrong bullet point + promise to appreciate help
1. code formatting in the code snippet
Hm that's interesting. I thought SO chat supports markdown?
 
@Anticom only for single-line messages (AKA no newlines, not whether it fits in one line)
super intuitive, I know.
 
@Machavity You mean the helmet is making you future-safe? :)
 
@RyanM that's awful
 
9:20 PM
@Anticom not quite
 
multiline messages break markdown unless it's all quote or all code, unless unless it's a directed reply which breaks multiline
 
This seems wildly Needs Focus, but it's not one of my technologies so it might make sense(?) What should be done with stackoverflow.com/questions/63236800/…
 
@Machavity Is this too little to justify an edit or what's the issue?
 
I closed that question because a comment from the OP indicated it was a typo that caused the issue. I would look for another Q to edit
 
9:29 PM
@Anticom Don't edit closed Questions. Any edit to the body will put it into the reopen queue, so unless your edits makes it OK to reopen, don't do it :)
 
@Scratte Well it wasn't closed when I was about to edit it :/
 
Also what's OP? Sorry I'm no native english speaker and those abbreviations drive me nuts if I don't understand them :D
 
Apart from that, I don't see anything wrong with your edit suggestions. Perhaps take it out of the JS/CSS/HTML code snippet into a code block too.
 
@Anticom Original Poster -- i.e. the question asker
 
9:30 PM
Oops.. ninja'd
 
cheers
While we're at it: what's the cv in cv-pls tag?
 
@Anticom see also the Stack Exchange Glossary
@Anticom close vote
 
thanks for the glossary
 
@NobodyNada OMG! I wish I had know about that.
 
@Scratte my best source for looking up abbreviations has been urban dictionary so far.
 
9:34 PM
@Anticom Note that suggested edits can take quite long to go through. 6-8 hours is normal. I've had one waiting for 5 days once.
@Anticom Me too.. or just DuckDuckGo until I landed on some obscure post :)
 
@Scratte does that mean I'm supposed to keep track of suggested edits until they're accepted / decliend?
 
@Scratte not to talk about tag wiki edits
 
@Anticom No, you have a list of them in your profile. You'll get 2 reputation points for an approved edit, and nothing will notify you if it's rejected.. strangely enough.
Activity -> All actions -> Suggestions.
 
@Anticom To be serious, Urban Dictionary is a horrible source if you want to learn real definitions/abbreviations. It is famous for made-up/satirical information submitted by angsty teenagers who have a peculiar notion of 'funny'
 
Another newbie question: On stackoverflow.com/review/first-posts/26849631 I would have made the same comment as is already present. Is "No action needed" the right thing to do in such case?
 
9:38 PM
@Anticom Upvote the comment and see what happens to the buttons
 
^ that :)
 
@Scratte thanks
 
It wasn't me. It was TylerH :)
 
@Scratte That's from Stack Overflow's teenager phase where they didn't want users to be notified of any negative outcome that affected them
A very angsty time for notifications
 
@TylerH disagree with that. Sometimes there's actually useful information. I seriously didn't know OG stood for original gangster. (again - no native english speaker). And sometimes the explanations are genuinely funny IMHO
My bad, thanks @TylerH in that case
 
9:40 PM
@Anticom You can simply google most things that one might want to find in Urban Dictionary and google itself will tell you the answer in the results page. For serious inquiries, an actual dictionary site (or better yet, a physical dictionary) is better.
 
@TylerH But.. it also doesn't make editor aware of their mistakes. Which I think would benefit everyone.
 
@Scratte Oh, yes, my position is that not notifying the user in either case is a mistake
I want to know when an edit has been rejected and I also want to know about reputation loss for any reason, etc.
 
@TylerH I thought any reputation change would show up in the reputation log on your profile page.
 
@TylerH I notice reputation when I go to my profile. Or on my flag list (since I forgot to block that :)
@Anticom Some user would prefer that negative reputation change would show on the bubble as well.
 
@Scratte I see.
 
9:47 PM
@Machavity Are you refering to my meta post where I have oddly high reject rates? Or just me in general :p
 
Sorry for asking question after question but here's another one: I've got a question that clearly needs more info from the OP. Should I request this via comment on the question or should I flag for needs improvement?
 
@Anticom Both IMO
 
Or would you even go as far as judging that it's not salvagable?
 
@Anticom Flagging for closure and unsalvageble are the same things :)
 
@NobodyNada Can you elaborate on what flagging actually does? Like does it send a notification to the users inbox or does it trigger something else?
@Scratte but flagging for needs improvement is not flagging for closure, is it?
 
9:52 PM
@Anticom Flagging sends the question to the close-vote queue; if reviewers agree with your flag the post will be closed.
 
@Anticom This is my normal comment on such a post "Your Question has to be self-contained. Meaning all the information needs to be within this Question itself. A link is not sufficient." Then I flag it as "needs improvement" -> "Needs details or clarity"
 
@Anticom That's literally looking for a stern warning.
In the triage queue, there are not many posts that benefit from that.
 
@Anticom Yes, it's the same thing. Everything in "needs improvement" is flagging for closure.
 
@Anticom The point of closure is to notify the OP and others that the question is not answerable in its current state, and to provide guidance on how the question should be improved. If the OP edits their question after closure, it is sent to the reopen queue.
 
@Scratte I guess I have permission to use that comment as provided w/o getting into trouble with you? :P
Thanks for the elaboration on my flagging question
 
9:54 PM
@Anticom Sure, you can use it. Please do not give attributions if you do, as that would look seriously messy in a comment :)
 
+1
And after flagging I have to click "I'm done"?
Thought it would load the nest item in the queue after flagging
 
@Anticom Yes. But never forget to flag it. If you only put the comment, it will not be put in the close vote queue :)
@Anticom It will not do that in Late Answers or First Posts. You can chose to edit, flag, comment and vote. In any order or combination.
In Triage, I think you can only vote. And flagging only happens using the button.
 
@Scratte No, you can't; you must open the post in a seperate tab to vote on it.
 
goes off to try it :) Andreas is right. How disappointing.
 
All that is so confusing for a cv newbie... (what i currently feel like)
 
10:02 PM
@Anticom We are the Borg; we will assimilate you. Resistance is futile.
 
@Scratte I'm always right. The rejection button on my flags and edits must be disabled.
 
@AdrianMole I just learned today that Google's internal clustering system Kubernetes was inspired by is called Borg :)
 
See - already!
 
@Anticom I started with Late Answers. Because First Posts is a mix of both Question and Answers, and I found it very confusing at first. The rules for Answers are more easy to get a hang of. And then I just lurked in here and learned from all the discussions.
 
But, seriously. Review queues are as good a place as any to learn how the SO Collective Community works. Don't fight it ... learn, and contribute!
 
10:07 PM
By the time I got my Steward badge on Late Answer, I felt sort of ready to look at Questions too.
 
@Scratte Although you can filter just for answers in FP, too. I usually do just answers or just questions because it's easier to get into a groove when reviewing.
 
At least you're a bunch of supportive and patient guys. I tend to ask a lot of questions to make sure I get things right wihle I'm learning before getting into bad habbits. Some channels / communities strongly dislike "noise" in their usually quiet channels. So hats of for bearing with me :)
 
@DavidBuck That's true. But what's the point of filtering for Answers, when there's a queue just for those? :) And they have the same posts.. :)
 
@Scratte Not all the same posts...
 
I think the biggest lesson I learned today was is not to be ashamed to be sir skip-a-lot
 
10:09 PM
@Anticom I asked a million things when I first started. I still ask a lot of things :)
Skip is your best friend :) It will keep you from being review-suspended :)
 
@Anticom SO Chat is brilliant. Just never get 'chatty' on the main site, in answers or comments. The latter will backfire, until you're 'accepted' in the relevant tag(s).
 
@AdrianMole "main site" ?
 
Not chat.
 
Ah, I see
 
It's very tempting to get involved in arguments in comments. Take my advice: Don't do it.
 
10:12 PM
Well IMHO it's an important distinction to make, whether you're in a chat or a forum-style platform. For example I would have never posted that meme on SO but in here no one should have a problem getting at least the tinyest smirk out of it
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I usually skip most of the posts in the review, but now I just marked a bunch of posts in a row as unsalvageable.
 
@Anticom No bother! The 'main site' is not a chatty forum. Rooms like this are (sometimes).
 
@Anticom In my experience, chat is basically a place to talk about the site and (sometimes) chill and make bad jokes.
 
We punish only good jokes. Bad jokes are assumed to be of Moderator origin.
 
@Scratte Another big problem I'm having with FP is that my poor little heart can't take the cringe anymore with that horrible code presented to me.
 
10:18 PM
@Andreas Well, when someone keeps repeating something over and over again, they're spamming, right?
 
FP is often a depressing experience. I typically click "No action required" on less than 10% of the posts I see. (I skip a lot, though.)
 
@10Rep Not by SO standards. It just goes as garbage, here.
 
@Anticom Heh.. I got used to it. I've also seen some pretty horrible presented stuff at work too, so it's no better or worse here :)
@AdrianMole So this is you too?
 
Is a question in the triage review a test if it has 0 votes in the review, but 33 when opened in another tab? Dumb question. Congrats to me. I passed.
 
@Scratte Looks about right. I hate it, but do I do it for the "benefit of the Site!"
 
10:23 PM
@Scratte I'm currently evaluating a new "method" to fix those situations at work: I've ordered this and that and whenever someone screws up big time at work we're going for a walk (of shame)
 
Seriously; it's a bad idea using a question with comments at 7 upvotes on it, as a review test. It's pretty obvious the question score shown is incorrect. Anyway. I'd seen the question dozens of times before, too...
 
@Andreas I didn't know that review tests show false scores! I thought they just show 0!
 
@10Rep Yes, exactly. 0 was shown.
 
oh ok. I thought you said the question had 7 upvotes
 
No; a comment below the question had 7 upvotes. ;)
 
10:26 PM
Thats what I realized.
 
@Anticom We used to have the cake-punishment. When someone messes up, they have to get cake for everyone.
 
@Scratte I remember you talking about this already a couple of days ago. Why did you stop with it?
 
@Andreas The official line on this is more or less: congratulations, you passed the test that you were paying attention and not robo-reviewing :-) the system is working
 
@Andreas I found one with over 2000 views on it :D Posted "2 hours ago".. hmmm?!?
@Anticom I stopped working there.
 
@Scratte Must've been a very interesting question, then. mhm
 
10:29 PM
@RyanM Well, if I had +1 reputation for every audit I passed, and -10 for every failure, then I would be up there with the "Big Boys!"
 
@RyanM :( And I who considered making a script robo-reviewing for the sake of quick badges?
 
@AdrianMole Sad that doesn't exist :(
 
@10Rep Not sad at all. It's an audit, not a test.
 
What do you mean?
 
@Anticom Also.. there will be an audit every 50 or so reviews. You'll come to know when a review is an audit after a while. I often open up the post in a new window.. sometimes to check the answers, sometimes to check if it already has close votes on it (I'm using a user script for that)
 
10:34 PM
@Nick I didn't know about the Meta lol. That's awesome
 
@Scratte I want to look at all those scripts and hacks you guys are using to ease your jobs tomorrow. For today I'm done. Almost 1am over here and had a 12 h day at work, so I'm toast
 
Oh, great. That limit again. How often do suggested tag wiki edits get reviewed?
 
10:54 PM
@Anticom We don't use the same ones. But I can list mine for you when you return :)
 
@Scratte The question is a duplicate.
 
@Andreas Yet none of the answers in the duplicate target says to kill it from the task manager :)
@Scratte I think it was NAA.. as someone nuked it :)
 
11:09 PM
@Scratte Because that’s the obvious thing to do.
 
Is this on topic?
 
@Scratte That looks like a math problem.
 
@Scratte No. Needs more focus.
 
I do like the visual representation of the cards ;)
 
Anything special about that?
 
11:19 PM
@Andreas No. I just didn't expect it to be 52 normal cards :)
 
@Scratte Wouldn’t we prefer a funny image?
 
@Andreas So something like this mess
 
@Scratte :)
 
@Andreas Opinion, primarily based?
Close reasons as read by Yoda
 
OPinion Based probably
 
11:26 PM
@RyanM Why are you questioning that? Am I not as wise as Yoda?
 
@ChristopherMoore That's probably more accurate but I'm sticking to my headcanon :D
 
Opinion, Personally Biased?
 
@ChristopherMoore ✅
 
@Andreas Just making sure that correctly receiving the Yoda-esque wisdom, I am.
(I agree with your assessment, but sadly I am out of votes for the next 33 minutes)
 
11:28 PM
Off By Brinks
@RyanM The wisdom has spoken, correctly you read it.
 
Oreos and Peanuts in a Box <-- Sorry, I'm hungry :)
 
On a Bus to Brisbane.
🙄 I can make all sorts of sentences when I just replace one or more of the letters.
On a Plane to Brisbane.
Other People Barked.
 
11:51 PM
@Andreas It's about Github. Those questions are on-topic at SO, right?
 
@10Rep And Overleaf, so it's not programming related.
 
@Andreas I'll add an Overleaf tag, then. No such tag.
 
GitHub is used for a lot more than just programming. My Math teacher back at school used it for math, and math only.
@10Rep Because Overleaf is not programming.
mhm?
- - - ... - - -
3 hyphens on each side.
 
Thanks
 
Np. ;P
 
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