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9:01 AM
@mickmackusa stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/joomla-article ready for descriptions
 
With these suspicious links like they are reported by SD, for example, what to do about it? Judge it by its appearance (e. g. does it link to a trustworthy site, like the respective documentation or something?) or are you really supposed to click the link to evaluate it? I'm a bit reluctant to do the latter.
 
@JeanneDark Don't feel like you have to act on SD reports or click links that may appear suspicious.
In fact, you may not even have rights to respond to/act on SD reports in this room (likely the case if you aren't sure)
 
Better ignore SD?
 
You can open the post on SO via the direct link and act on it as you think is appropriate (e.g., flag it if it's spam or rude/abusive, flag it as NAA, etc.)
But don't feel like you have to act on the SD reports themselves (linked via the "MS" link). As Tyler said, you likely won't have privileges to do anything there anyway. It's a separate tool that's not part of SO (run by a separate team called Charcoal), who handles privileges separately.
 
@CodyGray That's what I mean. Not interacting with SD directly (like telling her whether it was true positive or something)
 
9:07 AM
oh boy, I think I found a voting ring...2am is not the time to find a voting ring.
well, it'll still be there tomorrow
 
Basically, SD uses heuristics to try and identify spam. It ends up detecting posts with suspicious links, posts where the user name matches a link in the post, posts that are just filled with noise/nonsense, etc.
 
@JeanneDark The link is mostly suspicious because it's an off-site link. Sometimes Smokey is reporting www.example.com equivalents as suspicious or legitimate links to documentation. What I usually do is try to see if it's obviously spam and flag it if it is. If it's obviously not spam, there is nothing really I can do as I don't have Smokey privileges. If it's dubious whether it is or isn't spam, then use your judgement. It's fine to do nothing.
 
Right thing to do if a new user delete his own answer and add new answer instead of editing the old answer ?
 
On SO, there are a lot of false positives due to things like failure to use code formatting. Those can/should be addressed by editing the question to format it properly.
Other times, it'll be gibberish, either posted outright or due to vandalism of one's own post. Those can be readily flagged on SO.
And, of course, you'll see plain, obvious spam being caught. Definitely flag that as spam if appropriate.
 
Thanks, I'll do as you all said!
 
9:09 AM
But sometimes, the spam will be a bit more subtle, and you won't have the tools to investigate that and confirm whether or not it is actually spam. So, if you aren't sure, just leave it and a mod or someone else with a higher privilege level will check up on it.
 
@VLAZ Indeed, SD still flags docs.microsoft.com as spam/suspicious URL, annoyingly
 
"This is my problem. Please solve it as soon as possible."
 
@ArghyaSadhu Feel free to downvote if it's appropriate. Reposting the same answer is just trying to circumvent the content quality controls - any flags or votes on the old post would be "lost". If the old one deserved a downvote, then the new one should as well. I'd also suggest mentioning something in a comment "Please don't delete and repost the same answer".
 
I solved my problem.
 
@VLAZ reposting new answer not same old answer..well I don't know if that answer is correct or not..so shouldn't probably downvote
 
9:16 AM
Most of the time, though I wouldn't expect a huge problem from deleting and reposting. Do make sure to mention to the answerer that it's a bad practice. Some people might do it by accident or otherwise not because they are trying to circumvent the rules.
 
If you're going to leave a comment, consider not phrasing it as "you're breaking the rules", but as a "Did you know that you can edit your original answer to improve/expand it?"
If it looks like someone is trying to shake off votes/etc. by deleting and reposting the same answer, that's worth a mod flag. Then you don't need to comment at all (and probably shouldn't).
 
@ArghyaSadhu Ah, in the cases the answers are different then...judge each by its own merit. People are are allowed to post different answers. And sometimes they realise the first one was wrong, so it's sometimes easier to post a new one instead of editing the old one.
 
If they're really just two different answers, then that's technically not abuse, and just commenting to explain that they can edit is fine.
 
I think he probably does not know that 10k+ folks can see deleted answer :)
 
9:23 AM
And there we go!
He didn't know he could edit.
 
I almost always downvote any C question that could have been solved by just googling the compiler warnings.
 
A question like "Pros and cons of ...?" would be primarily opinion-based, wouldn't it?
 
Most likely...And definitely in that case.
 
@JeanneDark Not necessarily just because of that sentence
 
9:38 AM
This looks like NAA to me. Does anyone agree? stackoverflow.com/a/6108931/1839439
 
@klutt I meant if that's the whole question
 
Actually this whole page is full of low quality answers
 
@JeanneDark Well, IMO the opinion-closing is overused.
 
@Dharman looks clearly NAA to me too
 
@Dharman You need to make that decision not based on the wording so much as whether the code sample actually provides a useful answer to the question. That could conceivably be a helpful solution built on top of other answers. Or it could not be. A mod wouldn't necessarily know, so a NAA flag is a roll of the dice.
@klutt Yes, that's why it's important to continue calling it primarily opinion-based.
 
9:40 AM
@Dharman Hmm. ... PHP ... mumbles something about quality ...
 
^
 
There are a lot of questions you could ask on the form "what are the pros and cons with X" where you can give good objectively true answers.
 
@klutt Eh, hard to agree to that with more information
the problem is not only that you have difficulty in what's objectively a pro or a con but usually also what OP considers a pro or a con
 
I hate it that we had good questions spoiled with that old library. In this case the accepted answer was nicely edited.
 
@klutt ehhhhhh, if it's really focused on a specific dimension, like "which of these is more performant?"
 
9:42 AM
I used that close reason in 7 of 169 post flags
 
I asked a "What's the best way to..." question some time ago. It hasn't been closed (but neither has it been answered).
 
Even if it's not primarily opinion-based, a question of that form is probably going to suffer from being prohibitively broad. I can imagine very carefully writing a question that would basically ask for pros and cons, while remaining suitable for the SO Q&A format, but... well, I have a lot of practice.
 
Example:
Q: pros and cons with casting result of malloc?
A: Pro: you can compile it as c++, Con: clutter that adds zero value when you compile as C
 
Yes. But, I'd argue that question would be better phrased as, "Should I cast the result of malloc in C?" And suddenly all possible objections to it go away.
Which is, by the way, why the edit feature is an even more powerful feature than the "vote to close" feature.
 
@klutt What if you get answers with only pros or cons? They answer the question, but which one to accept?
 
9:44 AM
@CodyGray ... other than that it's a duplicate.
 
@AdrianMole It wasn't the first time it was asked!
 
@CodyGray I would not say that it goes away. You could answer that question in the same way.
@JeanneDark For such questions I usually do not pick an accepted answer unless one really stands out
But then again, IMO, the system with accepted answers is broken
 
hehe - wording isn't quite what you suggested: stackoverflow.com/q/605845/10871073
 
@AdrianMole much better than "should I" which at its heart is still subject to opinions that can only be objectified with additional details/criteria from OP
 
@AdrianMole I have linked to that one a lot
 
9:48 AM
@TylerH I lean toward "Do I ____?" and "Should I ____?" being synonymous here
 
@klutt Same here - it's in my list of "Please see..."
 
@RyanM This. If you really want to nitpick, I'd say that the bikeshed should be painted, "Is it correct to...?"
 
@AdrianMole I assume you also have "why while(!feof(f)) is always wrong"?
 
Or "Why I shouldn't use C-style I/O in C++?"
 
@CodyGray I agree with you there. They are equivalent.
 
9:49 AM
Yep. And bits/stdc++.h. And using namespace std;. And ...
 
I want the close reason "compiled without warnings enabled" :D
 
@klutt Error SO404 - Closed without warning!
2
 
@klutt Only if we first get "optimization/perf question about code compiled in debug mode"
 
Actually, if it were feasible, I would like tag specific closing reasons
One thing that really annoys me here is new people who simply cannot accept the way things work here
 
I... don't like that. :(
 
9:57 AM
For instance, quite recently there was a person who tagged a question with both C and C++. The code included some C++, so I removed the C tag, explained what the consensus is and linked to a meta question proving it.
But yeah, that user put it back twice. The second time he included converted code that was supposed to be C, but guess what? It did not compile, which proved my point. :)
But I also think that it could be a good idea to consider bringing back the that I created
 
10:13 AM
@klutt Not sure about that - it could just encourage poor questions.
There are some questions that can properly have both C and C++ tags, though. But not many.
 
@AdrianMole Poor C++ students, "learning" C-style C++ in college and then requiring to unlearn that if they do care about writing good C++.
 
@AdrianMole Sure, but it would also bridge the gap. If someone - for whatever reason - want's to use a C++ compiler, but not any fancy C++ stuff, well then it's good to have a tag describing that use case
However, I do wish that that tag would have no reason to exist, but it does :)
 
Does a kick from a chat room go on ones record?
 
@Scratte Yes, but visible only to moderators, I think.
 
Who knew that people would want to use a compiler for language X without wanting to use X.
 
10:25 AM
@CodyGray yep... kick history is mod only.
 
@E_net4won'tputupwithyou The designers of C++, who intentionally made it nearly 100% backwards-compatible with C :-)
 
@E_net4won'tputupwithyou Yeah, it's complete madness if you ask me
 
@CodyGray So I guess it's better to not any of those.. I do not imagine it's in ones favour if one at a later point enters into a disagreement of sorts.
 
@CodyGray Compatible enough to lure them into a false sense of security. :)
 
@CodyGray Which made sense at the time, but not now
 
10:27 AM
Ok, I wrote a proper answer to that question. stackoverflow.com/a/62952083/1839439
 
@Scratte I mean... yeah, if there's a pattern of behavior, then there's a pattern. It's not like we go looking.
 
@CodyGray does auto do something different now? (be nice if I'm talking nonsense - remember me saying I've not done any C++ in quite a while :p)
 
I'll bet that there's some not-insignificant proportion of the users in this chat room who have been kicked from some room somewhere. I couldn't tell you who.
@JonClements Yeah, I think we talked about this. In modern C++, auto means automatically deduce the type, just like it means in C# (and probably a whole bunch of other languages).
It doesn't mean, effectively "nothing", like it meant in earlier version of C++ and also still in C.
Super nice to have auto-deduced types when you're doing template metaprogramming. Or really just all the time, since you're going to repeat the type on the right-hand side of the expression anyway.
 
yay me for getting something right then :p
 
10:29 AM
@CodyGray I suppose that is confidential anyway :)
Is there such a thing as an auto-suspension?
 
Right. There are all sorts of mod-only marks on profiles that nobody pays attention to unless a problem emerges. The whole philosophy here is to forgive and move on.
 
@Scratte Auto in a C++17 sense, or auto in a C sense? :)
 
@JonClements You can compile that as both C and C++, but it gives different output
 
@Scratte Yes, via flags. If flags against your chat message are validated, you'll be automatically kicked from the room.
 
In C, the keyword auto basically mean "not static"
 
10:32 AM
@klutt yup - I remember that
 
@AdrianMole Why not go all the way?
 
hehe
 
It's a completely useless keyword. Probably just something they threw in because B coders were used to declaring variables auto or static
 
@CodyGray That makes sense. But I was thinking more like a 24 hour one.
 
I really liked this question stackoverflow.com/q/62940772/6699433
So dumb code, but still very interesting
 
10:35 AM
@klutt Yup, it's there in C because of good old backwards compatibility
@Scratte The automatic suspensions will keep escalating if you keep coming back and posting the same stuff that got you kicked
 
@CodyGray I wrote some real madness some time ago. It was intended to solve the "problem" when you have declared a variable in a scope and to late realize that you need the variable after the scope. Enjoy: onlinegdb.com/SkQQxq9sL
 
BTW, I would have very much preferred if const was the default and something like auto or mutable would have needed to be specified if it was not to be const.
 
message flagged as spam/offensive if valdiated carry a 30 minute chat suspension and can be cumulative... so if you had 6 messages validated then your're suspended from chat for 3 hours... however, kicks work in 3 stages - 1 minute for the first, 5 minutes for the second, then 30 minutes for the 3rd in a 24hour period... and they're not cumulative...
... so if you get kicked for 30 mins, then kicked again after returning - it's another 30 minutes (because you can't be kicked if you've not posted since the last kick or are currently sitting out a kick @Scratte
 
@klutt Uhh, what? I think we need to revoke your code-writing privileges until you repent from this. Why not just fix your broken code?
 
@CodyGray Just in case it was not obvious, I'm not serious with that code :)
 
10:39 AM
^^ There we go. Get the mod who knows how chat works to answer your questions.
All I do is type snark into the box.
 
Of course I would never use such code in production, but it's a good exercise.
 
Disagree on it being a good exercise, much like I'd disagree that slamming your arm in a car door repeatedly is good exercise.
 
@CodyGray In your case, sir, it's more like snark++.
 
@CodyGray Heck, I'm just bluffing how this stuff works - thankfully no one's realised yet or are too polite to mention. I'd love to go for the snark in the box approach, but I'm outclassed by someone else :p
 
@CodyGray I really disagree. In order to write such madness, you really need to understand what you're doing, and that knowledge is something you can use in real code.
It's kind of the same when I'm practicing music. Then I sometimes play stuff that has no musical value, but it improves my finger movements and such.
 
10:49 AM
What do you play?
Just the radio?
:-p
 
Hahaha
Lol, I just realized that that question is as hard to answer as "Which programming languages do you know?"
 
Is that question hard to answer?
 
@CodyGray Depends on where you draw the line. I'm comfortable being on stage with guitar, bass, mandolin, drums and banjo. I can do things that are somewhat useful on harmonica, accordion, piano and trumpet, and I just started learning violin.
 
@klutt Wow, yeah, that's a lot of diverse talent.
 
Gah!
I really hate the word "talent" :)
 
10:53 AM
...what do you call it? "Ability"? "Fearlessness?"
 
Hey, a wanna-be keyboard player here
 
Talent for x = how easy you learn x
 
But I remain impressed with @klutt's diverse skills
 
Just because you're good does not mean you're talented
Btw, thanks anywway :D
 
10:54 AM
Practice, practice, practice
 
Saying that skilled people are talented diminishes their efforts of practicing
 
I remember spending hours, days, weeks, practicing a single keyboard run --- that from Riders of the Storm
 
@klutt No, talent for "x" == how much time have you spent practicing to perfect your skills at "x"
At least, that's how I mean it.
 
@CodyGray I had plans to limit my stupidities, but it's just so difficult ;)
 
@Dharman It's not really a C question. they just gave the pseudocode as C.
 
10:56 AM
@CodyGray I have seen a lot of people using the word that way, but I don't find any support for it in dictionaries.
 
It seems to me that a lot of coders are also musicians. My best friend is a game designer and also a master of the electric guitar
 
@JonClements So it's only per room. Not an auto-suspension from chat in general?
 
@Scratte there's no per room - it's just chat in general
 
@CodyGray https://www.thefreedictionary.com/talent
native ability or aptitude in a special field: a talent for art or music
Not to be confused with:
ability
 
Hmm, I see what you mean. I guess I just so much don't believe in "natural, innate ability" that I have redefined "talent" to mean something that actually does exist.
 
10:59 AM
I believe that this contributes something to the mix. The opposite is certainly true: you can't make a musician from someone with a tin ear. It's just impossible.
It's somewhat like basketball players. Height helps, but only partly
 
I don't know about that. The ability to listen can be taught.
 
@CodyGray Well, some people sing beautifully without any practice at all, and others never learn even though they practice a lot
 
@CodyGray not the ability to hear pitch well, at least not after the brain loses much plasticity
 
I definitely believe in talent and that it's genetic to a very large degree
 
You're not going to teach perfect pitch, that's true, but you can definitely teach how to hear tones, judge sharpness/flatness, etc.
 
11:01 AM
@JonClements Hmm.. so if someone is kicked from one room they can't speak in any rooms for the duration?
 
No, not perfect pitch, that is not all that useful to a musician, just decent pitch
 
@CodyGray Yes, but some people picks it up in no time while others take much more time
 
Or does that only apply with positive flags?
 
@Scratte correct
 
@JonClements Thanks :) I did not expect that :)
 
11:02 AM
@Scratte That's right. So, no, you can't go to other rooms and play Dennis the Repressed Peasant.
 
@DontKnowMuchButGettingBetter Yes, perfect pitch is highly overrated.
 
@klutt you probably have decent "chord sense", ability to hear relative chords, if you play by ear (which I'm betting that you do)
 
@JonClements But do they get kicked from all the rooms, or just lose their ability to speak in those?
 
@DontKnowMuchButGettingBetter Yes I have, but I have trained that ability quite a lot
 
@klutt: funny thing: me too. When listening to songs on the radio, I'd try to pick out the relative position of chords (I, IV, V, vi...)
almost as a game
Easy for Country music, VERY hard for jazz
 
11:04 AM
I played guitar and my father accordion, so I could not see what chords he took, so if I wanted to play with him I just had to learn how to listen
 
But I never saw it as practicing it, it was just what did to learn the songs
 
Yep, that's why jam sessions help. You're forced to follow someone else's chords
 
In the same way, I never considered myself practicing my native language
But music is definitely a language. Or should I say a family of languages.
 
Amen to it being a language, and like a language, best when learned young
again when the brain still has most of its plasticity
 
11:08 AM
Yep. I often wonder what my sense for chord progressions would have been if my father played more complicated stuff than 3-chord songs
 
Should this question be deleted? It's essentially a homework dump that someone solved for the OP?
@klutt what type of music did he play? Polka?
 
Mostly simple sing along at parties
 
@DontKnowMuchButGettingBetter Yeah, it's not very useful for a wide readership
 
Creedence, Cash, and then the Swedish equivalent of country
Some waltzes too
 
@Scratte the system only removes you from the room you were kicked in... but the "mute" part of "kick-mute" applies chat wide
 
11:11 AM
What happened to the review queues? First Posts and Suggested Edits seem to have shrunk drastically since yesterday. Was there a summoning-of-moderators?
 
No moderators anywhere in sight
 
So, all are tending to the queues?
 
@DontKnowMuchButGettingBetter I have realized that chord musicians thinks in a completely different way than melody musicians
 
@VLAZ Suuure.
 
First day since 'forever' that I've been "thanked" for only doing 20 edit reviews.
 
11:13 AM
It's relatable to code too
 
@JonClements Thanks :) I'll try to moderate myself ;) I tried curating, but that has challenges :)
 
Chord musicians are those who fixes the general design of the code, while melody musicians handle the details of implementation
I also noted that musical notation is a programming language with very special features, like extreme focus on the most common cases
 
@AdrianMole I have nothing to support this, but I would think that everyone who potentially wants to nominate for next year, upped their game on the review queues..
 
If that were true, you'd see it in the stats.
 
@Scratte I was considering aiming for mod, but I lost my appetite for it with the Monica Celio incident
Or is that something that should not be mentioned here? :D
 
11:19 AM
I think it's been mentioned here before on numerous occasions, though not by name. It's not like a secret or anything.
 
Who would want to be a mod? Really? You're essentially signing on to another job, only this one you don't get paid, and you appear to get flack from both ends: the higher-ups and us plebs. It appears to be a thankless job (apologies to @CodyGray)
 
You're welcome
 
@Scratte I have noticed one or two familiar avatars in the "Recent Reviewers" lists in the past week or so. But nothing drastic.
 
LOL
@CodyGray: and thank you for your service!
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels I have no problem with working for free with something I believe in. Have don it a lot.
 
11:20 AM
That is, of course, an accurate characterization.
But yes, also like klutt says: if it's something you believe in, it's hard to even imagine how much you would/do give.
 
I would be willing to do it for SO, if EVERYTHING was decided by the community
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels I can see multiple reasons though.. :) 1. The nuke button. 2. The ability to clean up more stuff faster.
 
... and then you get Enchanters that only @ mention one mod - don't mind me - I'll just be crying in the corner :p
 
yes, but money talks
money keeps the lights on
 
I do most of my moderating in the dark...
 
11:21 AM
Yep, money talks. That's why I really hope that Codidact will kickoff
 
@klutt I like the name, though it's a bit confusing - is it a reference to a self-learning fish? :=)
Same problem as all those questions that claim to be using the "Cod Igniter" framework
 
@halfer BBQ enthusiasts?
 
@halfer hahaha, don't know if that's an intentional pun
 
Lower calories than carp
 
@CodyGray I agreed with your statement before the edit ;-)
 
11:28 AM
Codidact has a few communities, but not yet one aimed at programming
 
I assumed it's a portmanteau between "Code" and "Autodidact", but it's just a guess
 
@halfer Don't know if "code" is intended at all. I think it's just co-didact, i.e. "learn and teach together"
 
Hand-washing and Praying haven't gone yet ...
 
(OK, no one-box, as I suspected)
 
@AdrianMole Heh.. that is very interesting, since that last sentence on the post does read like a promise :) But.. the day isn't over yet. At least not on the other side of the pond.
 
11:34 AM
@Scratte I think it's not yesterday anywhere now.
 
@CodyGray well... there's only 3/4 targets that one boxing works for anyway... so...
 
@AdrianMole Just be sure to go into the menu on your profile before they turn it off and remove all your Thanksâ„¢ unless you want them to count on their processing of results :)
not that I think you used the feature, but bugs have been identified unwanted Thanksâ„¢
..which in itself is hilarious and upsetting at the same time, since they'll actually be evaluating Thanksâ„¢ given by users that never intended it. I wonder if they'll even be able to differentiate those from actual Thanksâ„¢
 
12:17 PM
Some questions' titles look like answers on Code Golf
 
12:29 PM
Don't we have some bot in place to identify sneaky cases of harassment such as this one?
 
@NicholasK You meant javascript? :)
 
@E_net4won'tputupwithyou good point
 
@NicholasK [tag:reopen-pls] is the correct syntax there
 
How should such a question be flagged - VLQ?
 
12:39 PM
@JeanneDark I just go with "Need details and clarity" as it's not clear what that's all about to me.
 
@JeanneDark flagged as needs to be closed for either lacks detail or clarity or lacks debugging information
 
The VLQ just sends it into a queue for others to flag it. The VLQ for Questions is rather silly, if you ask me.
 
Thanks! I was too late. So VLQ on questions is not too useful
 
@JeanneDark VLQ is for thinks like gibberish
 
@JeanneDark No. It's really not :) See CodyGray's answer to When is a closeable question a very low quality question?
 
12:43 PM
@JeanneDark My opinion is that VLQ on questions is utterly useless. If it deserves VLQ flag it probably also deserves to be closed or flagged as Abusive. This flag is marked helpful when a question is closed and becomes unavailable if at least one close vote is present on the question.
 
@JeanneDark lacks spoiler and nitro, at least for the title...
 
Thanks for the interesting links!
It seems like that question could even have been flagged as rude or abusive: "Abuse of the system or community is everything that is created with the intention to harm them. This includes posts by new users that contain no useful content at all – i.e. gibberish posts along the lines of: ..." It was not gibberish, but clearly contained no useful content
 
(nvm, misunderstood the reply-in-reply)
 
@JeanneDark Yes, you can also use rude/abusive flags for gibberish. We do it quite a bit as 6 flags instantly deletes the post. It does come with a -100 rep penalty though for the poster so we try no to use it on people that have prior good content.
 
@Nathan still one typo :p
 
12:54 PM
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
I think perhaps it's not just the -100 reputation penalty. I expect the user goes into some sort or list..
 
It does count towards the post pan. It can also lead to an IP ban if there are enough flags
 
Pan?
 
deliberate one typo...
 
When users go from good to bad, they've just been flipped on the pan :)
 
12:57 PM
:)
 
1:08 PM
the post pan is where you get fried
 
User Jack Goodall made a boo-boo and accidentally posted the same question twice
 
@kvantour The original might also be typo, but I'm not sure
 
@JeanneDark The original also has already an answer
 
By the OP
 
1:31 PM
^^ looks dubious, at least NAA
 
1:54 PM
@RyanM I noticed "you" were closed.. not that I am surprised. I get the feeling that it's just better to not properly address it. Maybe it'll just go away on it's own or something :)
 
@AdrianMole Not really, they have added await: return await response.json(); but that is already given
 
@Vega Either way, it's a lame attempt to 'pad out' spam. (Code aspic?)
 
Agree :)
 
3:10 PM
The answer SD reports above is NAA
 
@JeanneDark Definitely NAA but it's close to R/A, in some ways. I'll hold off on the flag, though.
 
@AdrianMole I give it the benefit of the doubt and enough NAA also delete it. (Unregistered account)
 
^ +1
 
3:52 PM
@TylerH I have added tag info to ...and regarding my statement that I am not a Joomla SME -- I say this with the same humility that I do not consider myself to be a SME either despite it being the only server-side language that I ever taught myself in more than 10 years of webdev.
 
You're missing spaces in headers
 
@JeanneDark No, NAA flags don't delete. There's very limited value to having more than one NAA on a post. The firs NAA flag puts it in the LQP queue. Any additional NAA flags increase the number of "Looks OK" responses which are needed for it to be removed from the queue, but do nothing else.
 
@Makyen If I see that someone already posted a ...[From Review] comment, I follow the link and review it too, instead of flagging
But if there is no such comment, there is no way to know whether its already in the LQP queue and/or access the review, right?
 
@janw Not really/easily/reliably.
 
Thanks @Dharman fixed the header syntax
 
4:01 PM
@janw There is one. Nominate and get elected moderator :)
 
@janw The longer answer is, it depends. It takes a little while for a review task to actually be created for a flag. But if the question has some rare tags, you can set the filter on the Low Quality Posts review queue to that tag to find it.
If it's been flagged for a while, and someone else has already potentially reviewed it but not left a comment, you can use the Review Finder to search for the answer ID.
 
@IanCampbell I figured that, but yeah it of course depends one the amount of questions in that tag
I wonder why there is no "direct" way, like it exists for suggested edits
 
I suspect to prevent the exact behavior we are discussing
 
@IanCampbell Of course there is a user script for that. Thank you for the link :)
@IanCampbell Huh, did I miss something?
 
I'm not sure I understand your question.
 
4:08 PM
Sorry, it wasn't very clear. I meant, is there a reason/consensus that reviewing a NAA answer outside the queue (i.e., using the [From review] link) is discouraged?
I do not feel that it makes sense to cast another NAA flag when I could directly review the post instead, and, if suitable, "Recommend Deletion".
 
@janw I don't think so. I think perhaps trying to find a post on the queue from the ID is not functionality that's supported by Stack because that's not what we're suppose to do.
But I can't see that finding the review from a link on the post and then helping to review it is counter to anything at all.
 
@janw I've looked before and couldn't find any clear consensus on Meta. But if I stumble across a NAA that already has a comment that sounds like someone flagged it NAA, I do typically try to find the review task to vote.
Once you get to 20k rep, it gets a lot easier. Just vote to delete it.
 
@IanCampbell Hmm.. so. You have a 20K sock? :)
 
@IanCampbell Oh, ok, thanks for clarifying :)
 
I said once you get there.
 
4:21 PM
:) I was joking :)
 
@IanCampbell Nothing easier than that ;) Will just take me another...10 years...
 
Better pick up the pace.
 
@janw If it was something we weren't supposed to do, why would the system automatically leave a link to the review in a comment when you select a comment in review?
 
@Makyen That was my question :) I think I completely misunderstood @IanCampbell's statement.
 
Perhaps it's a technical reason. One could imagine an automatic comment with a review task link when a user leaves an initial NAA flag. But since it takes a while for that task to be created, the link can't be made yet?
 
4:30 PM
If I understand it correctly, the link in the comment is there to help users understand the process that their post went/is going through.
 
@Makyen Thanks! Seems I overestimate the flags
 
It's a common misconception which I previously had as well.
 
Yeah, it's an unfortunate way about how the NAA and VLQ flags work. It would probably be better for each additional flag to count as a "Recommend Deletion" response, if the user has enough rep to access the review queue. Either that or automatically open the review in a popup modal dialog so the user can do a review.
 
That would be really convenient. I hope that this is addressed in the long-announced review queue overhaul.
 
4:51 PM
Then it would actually work like close flags versus close votes on Questions
 
Yeah, for 3k users those flags are automatically casted into close votes, right?
"casted"...I am doing too much programming...
 
@janw Yes. You can't flag a Question for closure at 3K. You can "only" vote.
 
@janw yeah, you get send to the close dialog if you flag for closure when you're > 3k
It is more clicks
 
The upside is that you will have an actual effect on closing the Question. The downside is that you only have 50 a day.
 
@Scratte true that
 
5:01 PM
@Scratte Well, I almost stopped using closure flags on questions. Too many simply aged away
They are much better used on NAAs
This will of course change once I reach 3k. Almost there :)
 
@janw I've taken on a new strategy to avoid that :) I don't review more than a max of 10 pending flags. When I can see that a post isn't getting any close votes, I post it here. Not too many though.. after a few days, the flags are all cleared, and I review again. It's slow, but at least I don't feel like I wasted my time on reviewing something that resulted in an aged away flag.
I even go and look at the aged away ones, and post it here if Roomba will never get it.
 
 
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@Dharman is there a close reason for this? Gives an abstract description without code and asks how to implement it (typically called the "coding service" question.)
 
@Scratte Yeah...one of the dupes is bad, annoyingly (if any MSE [discussion] gold-badgers are bored, could you strip the dupe starting with "How to cite..." off this question? the other dupe is correct). At least it drew more attention to the issue.
 
I'd be lying if I said it didn't reinforce my belief that I've made the right decision.
 
@janw I can assure you this gets a lot better at 3k. Most of my close votes are cast out of the queue, but I think that's the exception rather than the rule, so it really helps to be able to get a vote on it. I review a specific tag, so I definitely get further into the questions with no votes, only flags than a lot of reviewers probably do.
 
@bad_coder you are kidding me with the tag combination in that question...
 
@bad_coder Well, it is a valid question. I voted too broad, but then I realized it would be better closed as a duplicate.
 
@Braiam ...but bonus points for somehow summarizing the question in the tags...
 
@RyanM That's one of the indications that those tags have to go... when you start being able to construct sentences with them.
 
@Braiam yeah, parent tag is vbscript, although user added 5 tags and missed that one...
 
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