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12:00 AM
Fair enough. I did mean for you to do that. I just found the entire conversation slightly surreal.
Oops.. repost? I swear I didn't do that.
 
Repost?
 
Yes, it seems my message was posted twice.
 
Riposte?
 
Chat bug on your end I guess. I don’t see two messages.
 
Parry!
 
12:08 AM
Ignore the peanut gallery :-p
 
We need a "🥜" reaction, so we can do that instead of a minimally humorous comment.
 
Do you see one message just before the "Oops.." that's identical to the history of the "Oops.." one?
@Catija Are we talking fencing now? :)
 
@IanCampbell I prefer the punny comments
 
@Scratte Been doing it all day.
 
@Catija You can also just build one and get peace :)
Or does that only work with walls?
 
12:15 AM
I used to fence, actually. I spent two summers in pentathlon camp and 2-3 semesters in college taking fencing as an elective.
 
@Scratte Your post raises the good point that this is not, in fact, clear from the help center/meta. I wrote up an MSE post specifically requesting clarification on what the rules, in fact, are.
 
@RyanM Nice post :)
 
New avatar on meta? :)
 
@Scratte Yeah, I just noticed that...not intentionally, at least...
@Dharman I'd gently refer them to a relevant meta post on the matter
 
12:20 AM
@Dharman I'd recommend saying it's not recommended with a link and then just leave that user alone... not worth it
 
@Dharman I thought you were tired.. but.. ^ yes, link to the fluff and/or no thank you post.
 
Why on MSE?
 
It clearly didn't do anything to post it on MSO, did it? :)
 
@CodyGray It didn't seem specific to SO in any way, and requests a global change to the FAQ
 
Global bugs/issues can be posted on any Meta
 
12:27 AM
@Dharman This is the post I was thinking of. Answer to No Thanks, Damn It! since it specifically mentions "hope this helps"
 
@CodyGray Fair, I don't visit MSE much myself so I may be missing some subtlety of when I should post where. I'd be happy to take advice.
In this case, I thought the wider audience might be beneficial for more perspectives. Perhaps there's some reason I'm missing that this is only a Stack Overflow problem.
 
@Scratte thanks, I added it
 
Depends on the audience you want
 
The help center on how to reference seems to be identical on MSE, so why not?
 
Depends on if you want SO mods and/or active users to see it
 
12:41 AM
Heh.. you got a link that's the same link as the post I linked to from my post, that you also linked to :D
 
@Scratte Clearly I've been cursed to have people click links in my posts and tell me I should look at the things in those links...yes, I did, in fact, read the top post in the search I linked. Thank you, random person, for informing me of it.
(I had actually already typed that out, but was debating if it was relevant/topical here)
 
They probably didn't read my post :) And seems to have not clicked the link there.. or maybe thought that you hadn't clicked the link there.. or something :)
@CodyGray Would SO mods and/or active users be able to change the help center?
 
@Scratte No, CMs are needed for that. But SO mods can but Catija until she does it. Also...that doesn’t need a Help Center change.
 
Depends if the referring should be moved away from just answers in the help center, I suppose.
Psst.. there a legend in the election room
 
12:59 AM
I guarantee you that the mod who declined that flag didn’t do it because they checked the Help Center and thought it referred only to answers.
Mods don’t spend time reading the Help Center when processing flags anyway...
 
That I do believe.. :) But it would make sense for everyone if it was placed in a more generic spot.
 
 
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2:44 AM
@Scratte We'll probably disagree on this, but some things don't need to be documented. That plagiarism is not allowed is one of those things. We have no written rule against dick pics in posts, either, because it's obviously not allowed. Plagiarism falls into that same category. Besides, we do have a Help Center article on that (stackoverflow.com/help/referencing), and it doesn't say it's limited to answers. It's any time you borrow from someone else's work.
I have to say, I was kind of flippant about this earlier. Part of that was being on a smartphone, the other part was just me. But it's actually very serious and a huge deal to me that you've altogether stopped flagging serious issues because you had a bad experience with a flag that you've raised. That is... like... a sign that we've utterly failed.
It's still true that I don't know how to fix the problem of moderator inconsistency. There's no good solution to that problem. We're humans, we have different ideas/interpretations. Sometimes, even when there's complete agreement, we'll make mistakes or overlook something. It's impossible to try to think of moderating by committee, nor is it reasonable to try and expect that a group of 20-25+ moderators will come to complete consensus on all issues.
We honestly have near-complete agreement on most major issues. Some nuances of how things are handled do vary, but it's pretty universal on what should be done in response to common flags and how they should be handled. It's just, on a site operating at the scale of SO, you deal with a lot of "uncommon" issues on a semi-regular basis.
 
 
2 hours later…
Shovel had a hole in it?
 
for some reason when I clicked "add to list" in the UI it didn't seem to take. Maybe because I just woke up and misclicked/misread shrug
 
Kind of a late nap, eh, @TylerH?
Or are you just sleepwalking through SOCVR? :-)
 
trying to get some sleep in before participating in a monthly reboot/maintenance window for work from 1AM to 6AM
didn't end up getting much sleep
 
Oh, that sounds not fun
Can't you automate it? Or are you the person who drew the short straw to be on standby "just in case"?
 
4:33 AM
@CodyGray Unless the RO is also running the AIM script, the Archiver won't see feedback information on SmokeDetector reports. Without the feedback info it won't know that the report is handled unless the post is deleted. The two that were missed were both False Positives, so wouldn't be deleted. Thus, they won't be archived by the Archiver on that RO's machine until the SmokeDetector report reaches the maximum time, which is 4 hours.
 
@Makyen In summary, then, "yes" :-)
 
@CodyGray Yes.
 
While you're here, and regarding those two SD reports... is there any way that we can easily teach SD to ignore <img> tags properly formatted as code?
It seems like that is going to result in a FP 100% of the time. I know we can't do anything about improperly formatted code, but this was correctly formatted.
 
@CodyGray Yes, there is. Implementation of that was delayed in order to have a more generalized solution, but that's still a few days out. There is a PR, which I have not yet reviewed, which appears to claim to do what you are requesting, but I haven't looked at it yet.
 
@Makyen Days? Hmm, nice.
 
4:40 AM
@CodyGray most of the servers are automated and our datacenter team handles those (about 100 I think). However each team has at least a few servers whose reboot procedures are not automatic and if something goes wrong like a service getting hung or something breaking because of a service account getting its password changed in AD but not updated in an application, etc. ...it's just much smoother if the person/team that supports that app is there to handle it
 
Seems to be basically the same question over and over again from the same user, and none of them suits here at all.
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/62342522/sam4e-sara-r412m-using-freertos-with-web-socket-to-create-chat-communication-se
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/62429702/freertos-tcp-ppp-to-support-modem-u-blox-sara-r412m-as-network-interfaces
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/62592934/sam4e16e-lwipppposfreertos-pppos-client-example
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/62654556/modem-pppos-client-using-lwip-2-1-1-freertos-pppos
 
@klutt ? not sure what you meant to post there. Are those supposed to be *-pls requests?
 
@CodyGray Yeah, there needs to be a generalized solution, because what the PR, probably, does is currently done 43 other times, exactly the same, for every post that SD scans, when it really only needs to happen once.
 
@TylerH I failed formatting :)
 
I think @klutt's message was supposed to be a custom moderator flag...
 
4:42 AM
@CodyGray Nope, I tried to flag it but got declined
 
@Makyen I had already added them to my manual list but must have misclicked on "send to graveyard" instead of "add all these items to the list" based on what happened
 
Wut?
 
@TylerH Ahhh... oops. Been there; done that. :;
 
Oh, great. I just went to investigate that flag, and I found that SE has introduced a bug to the moderator's flag information page....
 
@klutt I would agree that that's more appropriate for a mod flag than here. Sounds like Cody's already on the case
 
4:44 AM
@klutt Sorry about that decline. I don't entirely agree with it, even though I see what the mod who handled it was probably thinking. Bit of advice for next time: include a bit more explanation along with your flag, including a list of the related questions like you did here. It would also be useful if you requested that the mod took a specific action, like closing all the questions and reaching out to the user to address this troubling pattern of behavior.
 
@CodyGray got it
 
In the terse way you phrased it, it could have been interpreted as a flag saying, "yet another low-quality question from this user", which...while a problem is not something that normally needs to be handled by a mod. That can just be handled by the community by closing it.
(Also, wow, one of those low-quality questions got a very good answer.)
 
@CodyGray Yeah I thought about it, but at the same time, just closing all the questions as dups COULD be done by us, so it was not obvious that it was misunderstood
And yeah, I also saw that answer
 
@klutt Yeah, that's true. That's why I see what the mod who declined it was thinking, even though I would have handled it differently.
I looked at closing them as dupes, and I just don't see it. I don't think they're duplicates.
They are all asking distinct things, even though they're obviously trying to ask their way through a programming project that is above their current expertise.
That's not really a problem, except that all of the questions fail to meet our guidelines. There's a mod message template for that, so I'm going to reach out and see if it helps.
 
@CodyGray Yeah, I did not look too close, just close enough to say for certain that something needs to be done :)
 
4:50 AM
Some day, I will stop typing "too brad" instead of "too broad". Poor Brad. I like Brad.
 
I have noticed that it's very common that people use "needs focus" when they instead should be closed with "needs clarity"
 
@klutt The real problem is that those close reasons need both focus and clarity.
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That's probably because they're actually trying to close as "too broad", which is what "needs focus" used to be called. If I actually read the current phrasing of the close reasons, I find that I almost never use "needs focus" anymore because the description has been changed so as to be almost useless.
 
@CodyGray sigh, yep.
 
@Makyen Awesome comment!
@CodyGray Hmmm, I don't consider "needs focus" to be useless. It's not uncommon with people asking multiple questions.
@CodyGray What? It literarilly says "This question currently includes multiple questions in one. It should focus on one problem only."
 
4:56 AM
Yeah, you're right. I misremembered my objection. I deleted my nonsense claims.
 
hahaha
 
The explanation now limits "needs focus" to only questions that ask multiple questions in one.
Hey, it's hard enough to have opinions without actually having to also remember the details!
 
So what you're saying is that your objections would have been completely valid if the explaining text was something different that it is? ;)
 
Well, yeah. So the problem is that, when the close reason was called "too broad", it was useful for both questions that actually asked multiple questions in one and/or questions that would literally require an entire book to answer them. With the rephrasing of the close reason descriptions, "needs focus" no longer makes sense as a close reason for the latter case.
For those cases, we have to use "needs clarity", but that just feels wrong to use, since the question isn't unclear... it's simply too broad to be answered in our Q&A format.
 
Hmmm, yes you're starting to convince me
But in the past "too broad" acted like a "catch all"
 
5:01 AM
@oguzismail While I understand your frustration, and I don't have a problem with your using "millionth duplicate" in this room, please try to avoid it in your comments on the main site, as it can come across as rude. We don't need to give askers any more reason to complain that duplicate closure is rude.
 
@CodyGray Okay, thanks. It's just too hard to be polite :D
 
@CodyGray I try to avoid rude phrasing, but tbh, I think this rudeness policy is bogus
 
@oguzismail Understood. Often, the best/easiest way is just to say nothing... Let your votes (up, down, left, right, close, ...) do the talking.
@klutt I can understand objections about our rudeness policy being taken a bit too far in certain circumstances, but to say that it's bogus to have a rudeness policy... I can't agree with that. No one should ever be rude to each other.
 
@CodyGray Yeah, I did not mean that there should not be a policy
But the real problem is not there. The real problem is that people are allowed to ask questions without knowing the expectations.
People should KNOW that they are expected to not ask questions that are really easy to search
 
Yes, that's correct. The rudeness policy does nothing to solve the root problem, which is created by a clash of expectations.
 
5:08 AM
And if they do that anyway, others should should know with high certainty that the user did not make an honest mistake, but rather willingly ignored the rules.
 
But... what would you/we (as curators/moderators) do differently even if we knew that the person "willingly ignored the rules"? That shouldn't be an excuse for us to treat them poorly.
It just means we can close and/or downvote their questions without any guilt.
Which... I already do anyway, and would encourage you to do, too.
The system may not be doing everything it could to properly set expectations, but there is still quite a bit being done, including sending new users through the tour, showing them detailed help on the updated "Ask a Question" page, and providing easy access to the full help center.
 
My guess is that it would be way fewer that did ask bad questions
 
You're vastly overestimating the number of people who read things.
 
Also, imho it's ok to be rude to people obviously ignoring the expectations
 
You know when we send people moderator messages, including those that contain a suspension? A fair number of responses to that include attempts to ask the same programming question they were trying to ask on the main site.
Expectations there are clearly set, yet they didn't care. They're given a textbox, and they type their question into it, expecting help, without reading anything else on the screen.
 
5:12 AM
But yeah, I guess it's not just about whether it's morally ok or not. It's also the consequences of it
 
@klutt I disagree, there isn't cause to be rude there. Sure, we're frustrated by the large number of people that do it, but the one person you're potentially being rude to had nothing to do with all the other questions.
 
Yeah, I mean, we might feel justified in being rude to people for not reading the help and ignoring the expectations. I wholly agree that people who ignore our rules are themselves being rude, just like someone who refuses to take off their dirty shoes before entering my home.
But that still doesn't truly justify our being rude to them. We have to be the better person. There is still a human being on the other end of the screen, after all. Nobody deserves to be treated rudely. Two wrongs don't make a right.
 
@Makyen Hmmm, well I guess it depends on what you mean by rude. Maybe I should change "rude" to "blunt and non-polite"
I do not consider it rude to say "QA-forums is not your personal Google. This question is extremely easy to search."
 
Honestly, most of the rudeness/conduct policies are just about trying to reduce the number of snarky comments. There's a simple trick (one that moderators don't hate!) for reducing the number of snarky comments: just let your votes do the talking. Don't bother to leave any comments. People who don't read the rules and don't care about the site aren't worth your time to type out a comment.
Sigh. Perfect timing, @Daedalus.
 
@CodyGray Perfect timing about people not reading rules/etc or something else?
 
5:16 AM
@Daedalus Yup, that.
About posts that make you want to smack your head against the desk and say something not exactly nice.
 
Yeah :(
 
I also do not consider it rude to say "Indent your code properly. You have been told this on your two previous questions, and while others might correct such things, you should not expect that"
 
I don't either...
 
Seems a few of those are popping up. Not to say they don't pop up often, just that I may have found another.
 
Only thing different I'd do is add "Please" to the beginning :-)
 
5:19 AM
@klutt That's a little too far, IMO. Personally, for common occurrences where I want to leave a comment, I prefer to use auto-comments. That way I can compose it once and have it be something that isn't all that negative for the user. I then spend very little time actually leaving the comment, which keeps me marginally happier by not having to spend more time on it.
 
I can think of plenty of ways not to replace the last two words of something...
 
@CodyGray When people are ignoring such instructions, I don't think a "please" is necessary :)
 
@Makyen You said exactly what I was going to say. Except probably with slightly better phrasing.
 
@RyanM Probably because it was an auto-comment :-)
 
That's far too short for a Makyen auto-comment. :-)
 
5:21 AM
@Makyen I definitely don't think it's too far. If you're ignoring such comments and continue to rely on others to do your work, you should be called out for it.
 
I .... think I have one or two that aren't pushing the comment character limit. :)
 
I actually have an SEDE query for this... data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/1256925/…
The average Makyen comment is 377 characters long. For comparison: Me: 205, Cody: 249
 
I do better on Meta. But...so does Makyen.
 
Checked mine and it was 219. Which means I'm the average of Ryan and Cody
 
I wanted to do the median comment, but it turns out medians are not remotely straightforward to query in SQL.
 
5:25 AM
...Why can't you just do a sort?
And, what do you know, there's a Q&A about that.
 
Quite often, I use "please" because "read How to Ask" is too short :D
 
Pro tip: comments that do nothing more than link to How to Ask or other Help Center pages are not worth the time it takes for you to type them. They don't tell the asker anything. These people were already provided with links to these pages, but either didn't understand them or didn't care. Unless you're providing specific, actionable guidance, don't even bother leaving a comment.
In other words, unless you're going to point them to something specific out of How to Ask that they did wrong and how they can fix it by editing their question, your comment is just noise and going to get ignored. Probably eventually deleted by a mod.
 
Yeah, you're right
 
Plus, 2 more people and you get a big blue box saying that same stuff.
 
I just open my text file of comments, and pick out one like ...where's one that fits in a chat message... "Your post lacks a Minimal, Reproducible Example. The code should be able to be run and reproduce the problem without requiring further guesswork or writing/modifying a lot of additional code by people attempting to answer the question."
 
5:31 AM
And who doesn't like the color blue?
@RyanM Your text file of comments? What are you, a savage? github.com/Benjol/SE-AutoReviewComments
 
@CodyGray Nope, the big blue box does not contain a link to that page. I actually started a q on meta bout that. meta.stackoverflow.com/q/398887/6699433
 
@klutt I disagree for two reasons. A) I don't feel it's appropriate to be rude to someone just because of a minor offense, particularly when a strong contributor to my wanting to be rude is because of what other people have done, not the person I'm actually dealing with.
B) I find that it is much more effective to be nice first. Most people respond better to being approached in a polite way. If being nice doesn't work, you can always change to being rude/blunt, and often get an increased effectiveness from that change, rather than starting out rude/blunt. It is very difficult to go from being rude/blunt to being polite. Making the change in that direction has a substantially lower effectiveness.
My goal in such situations is being effective. IMO, being polite is more effective. So, while I automatically tend to be polite, because that's my outlook, I also do so because it is the pragmatic approach to being effective.
 
@klutt Unfortunately, I can only upvote that post once.
 
@CodyGray I've considered that, but I like being able to search through and compare the options...maybe I should at least try it...
 
@RyanM Try it. You can import a text file of comments into it, so you can still do what you want. For example
 
Rob
5:34 AM
@RyanM data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/1263942/… Based on the answer Cody found
 
@Makyen I don't think it's exactly appropriate to be rude either, but we have different definitions of what rude means. But yes, you have point that it's easier to go from polite to non-polite than the other direction.
 
The 'not maintained' quote in that repo worries me a little, though it also kinda clashes with the 'merged' one. At least in my opinion.
 
@CodyGray You could star a few of my chat posts instead so I can get the badge someday ;)
 
@Daedalus Yeah. Let's pressure @Makyen into forking and maintaining it.
(The truth is, though, it hardly needs any maintenance. The only problem would be if SE broke something. They haven't yet.)
 
aaaaaaaargh why can no one except Makyen write @include directives properly?
 
5:36 AM
@CodyGray They break something every once in a while. People submit PRs. The PRs usually get reviewed and merged.
 
PS, @Makyen if you get elected moderator, what impact (if any) do you foresee to your userscript development/maintenance capabilities?
 
@RyanM What's wrong with 'em?
 
@CodyGray It matches too much: regex101.com/r/Vb5JT3/1
 
:-(
There's no need for regular expressions there, anyway.
 
@TylerH That's a good question. I don't have a good answer. My expectation is that I'll still work on scripts and maintain them. Working on solving programming problems is actually fun, most of the time.
 
5:40 AM
It's not like there's a combinatorial number of subdomains for Stack Overflow where you need it to work.
 
(the Review Queue Helper script has the same bug)
 
And... wildcards work.
 
That's fair(in response to earlier). Also: On a slightly related subject(the spam auto-comment in that image reminded me of it), it seems that xkcd 810 is starting to happen, though not in the way intended. By that I simply mean, that (person?/bot?) had me kinda fooled for a bit.
 
That's just a failed spammer. What good does spam do if it doesn't promote a product or service?
 
I was just taken off-guard that they were responding and the like.
 
5:45 AM
Honestly, yeah, that doesn't look like spam to me.
I wonder why it was nuked.
 
Eventually the user in question said something akin to the following(because I'm not 10k and my memory is bad sometimes): "Tell me why x is better than y then go to my website"
 
I guess that comment is deleted.
Most likely, our rule that new users are not allowed to post links foiled them. They had to wait and comment on their own question, where, for unknown reasons, we allow links.
Probably because comments are harder to moderate and there are fewer tools to catch spammy links ther... wait.
 
wut. (@ SD post)
 
Apparently it's an interview question...
The real WTF is, as ever, interview questions.
 
6:30 AM
@RyanM Mine is 159; I'm far pithier than thou :-P
 
Is this SD report abuse due to not even posting anything possibly resembling an answer, or just NAA?
 
@RyanM it's spam
 
Leaning toward the former, but not certain
@Rob Nice, thanks! Apparently my median (151) is somewhat lower than my mean...my long canned comments are boosting the mean.
 
6:47 AM
 
going through questions cleaning things up/CVing things and I'm wondering if it wouldn't be more effective to just burninate ...
 
@TylerH mickmackusa has basically requested that all of be migrated to Joomla... Perhaps we should oblige him?
 
I wouldn't mind
it's a CMS that happens to have some programmability
if there's a Joomla SE site (which I wasn't aware of) I say catapult 'em all over. 15k seed questions surely will help the numbers
 
We need some CMs with programmability
 
great, now I miss Shog
 
7:01 AM
Serious question: am I the only one who somehow manages to click the wrong link (the one that takes me to the Help Center on migration, instead of the actual migrated post) every. single. time. when I want to go see a migrated question on the destination site?
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It's really becoming ridiculous. I stop and think every time about which link I should click, because I know I always click the wrong one, and yet, every single time, I still click the wrong one.
 
@CodyGray Then just click the link you think is the wrong one.
 
@JeanneDark I tried that once, too. I'm sad to say that it didn't work, either.
You know how you always have to try 3 times to successfully plug in a USB flash drive? It's the same problem.
Or maybe I'm just an idiot. I don't know.
 
Maybe.
But I have the same problem with one of the UI popups. Can't remember which one, but I always end up in the help centre when I didn't mean to.
 
7:20 AM
 
@CodyGray I'm sure I've clicked the right link at least once...
 
@RyanM Ever on purpose?
 
@CodyGray I mean I was trying to, but really it was probably a coincidence.
 
7:34 AM
@TylerH I see that you are combing through some questions and removing the tags. In the couple that I checked, they are competely appropriate tags. Furthermore, if they were posted on JSE, they would be tagged with as well. Can you clarify why you are stripping these tags?
@TylerH If you wanna burninate all joomla tags, just migrate EVERYTHING to JSE. I will be very happy with this outcome. I'll take all the garbage too.
 
47 mins ago, by Cody Gray
@TylerH mickmackusa has basically requested that all of be migrated to Joomla... Perhaps we should oblige him?
 
...hmm, I didn't scroll high enough.
Anything to get us out of Beta faster is a good thing.
We can then pick through the heap and re-migrate certain questions to WordPress or back to SO where appropriate.
 
7:55 AM
30 tags = ~42,000 posts... we'll take 'em.
+or+%5Bjoomla-task%5D+or+%5Bjoomla-template%5D+or+%5Bjoomla1.5%5D+or+%5Bjoomla1.6%5D+or+%5Bjoomla1.7%5D+or+%5Bjoomla2.5%5D+or+%5Bjoomla3.0%5D+or+%5Bjoomla3.1%5D+or+%5Bjoomla3.2%5D+or+%5Bjoomla3.3%5D+or+%5Bjoomla3.4%5D+or+%5Bjoomla3.5%5D+or+%5Bjoomla3.6%5D+or+%5Bjoomla3.7%5D+or+%5Bjoomla3.8%5D+or+%5Bjoomla3.9%5D+or+%5Bjoomla4.0%5D+or+%5Bk2-joomla%5D+or+%5Bmobilejoomla%5D
 
@mickmackusa That you have looked really pretty in the toilet overview: []() :D
 
@Scratte what?
 
@mickmackusa You missed the Markdown link formatting in your last message. Earlier, I likened the Markdown formatting syntax []() to an aerial view of a toilet; that's what Scratte was jokingly referring to.
 
my message got cut off -- too long
~18,000 questions/pages: 3v4l.org/b97v1
How do I query for how many users that migration would suck in?
 
@mickmackusa Technically, none. Migration won't create accounts on the target site.
 
8:06 AM
drat
 
They can create an account manually, and their migrated question will be magically associated with their new account, but the account creation doesn't happen automatically.
Arguably a flaw with the migration system. Been there since the very early Jeff Atwood days.
Migration is mostly a hack/kludge, not a first-class feature. It has never really been improved, despite the fact that SE bloomed into a network of 150+ sites.
 
Some folks have been asking what JSE needs to do to get out of Beta. Is there more up-to-date list of criteria than this? meta.stackexchange.com/q/215572/352329
 
There's people that don't sign up to some sites "for reasons"... and implicitly creating an account somewhere because "other people" did something does seem iffy to me...
 
@mickmackusa Not that I know of, but that's not really something I pay much attention to, to be honest. And, you probably already have this context, but... Robert Cartaino and Jon Ericson were most involved in the building/graduation/election/etc. of new SE sites, and neither one is employed by SE anymore, so I suspect even a lot of what was planned is now obsolete.
 
Hmm. I can see where we are: area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/58842?phase=beta I just want to see where we need to be.
 
8:11 AM
This old question and the answer are a bit puzzling to me.
 
@mickmackusa 10627 users have asked at least one question with "joomla" appearing somewhere in the tags
 
@JeanneDark Indeed...
 
@JeanneDark Seems like the answer is an attempt at humour.
 
Thanks @Ryan
 
How'd he get access to our moderator-only webcam view of users?!?
 
8:13 AM
As I compare the statistics, we are Excellent on user metrics. We just need more content.
 
@CodyGray Would it make sense to flag something like that for moderator attention?
 
@RyanM How did you derive that count?
 
@JeanneDark You mean using a custom flag? No, probably not. It doesn't require immediate action or even any special intervention by a moderator. A [del-pls] is one possible course of action. I'm not sure what else you can do.
 
SELECT
  COUNT(distinct OwnerUserId)
FROM
  Posts
WHERE
  Tags LIKE '%joomla%'
 
on the SEDE, okay, cheers.
 
8:15 AM
ugh, pretend that was nicely indented. Update: Looks like it's reply XOR nice formatting.
 
Ok, thanks
 
...I nearly fell out of my chair when you didn't write DISTINCT in all caps!
 
Secret: I am not good at SQL.
 
Your secret is safe with me.
 
I think it was "our Dharman" who recently said, "Even those who are good at SQL aren't really good at SQL."
 
8:18 AM
@mickmackusa I'm sorry. My brain & keyboard is malfunctioning at the same time. I meant to say "That would have looked..." and the rest was cleared up by Cody. Cody initially did make the joke about []() looking like an overview of a toilet, and I just stole it.. (Also I'm really slow as I'm way behind in the transcript :( )
 
@AdrianMole Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more LIKE %SQL%?
 
@Scratte Pro tip: next time, slam your head into the desk next to the keyboard, not on top of it.
 
@Scratte It does resemble the toilet closure.
Well, on a dubious level of resemblance.
Don't mind me, need coffee.
 
The toilet closure is a side view of a toilet. This is a top view. Totally different things.
 
Righto, I'm all caught up. [ ](💩)
 
8:21 AM
Now wash your hands say Thanks.
 
They both look like rotated toilets to me. |_|() vs []()
 
Speaking of toilets, you know that we can't actually migrate all questions in a tag, right, @mickmackusa? Migrating anything older than 60 days is going to require CM involvement. Which means you'd better at least start by gathering some consensus on a Meta site, then you could move forward with pestering a CM.
 
Fun fact: The toilet seat was invented by an Englishman. But it was a Welshman who later improved the design by putting the big hole in it.
 
@AdrianMole That raises more questions than it answers. Namely: did the English toilet not have a hole, or do the Welsh just have uncannily large behinds that require a bigger hole?
 
Requires details or clarity?
 
8:30 AM
@CodyGray There's the "uninventing" of putting film over the hole. Not sure if that qualifies as an English joke.
 
I need to apply for a refund on this history degree. I didn't learn anything about the history of the toilet.
 
I'm sure you can post a Question somewhere on the network where you can ask about the invention of the hole in the toilet :D But if you do.. please post a link here ;)
 
@Scratte History.SE
 
Don't tell me that, it's Cody's Question :D
 
I don't even know what to ask! It would be closed as "lacks minimal understanding".
 
8:38 AM
@CodyGray Minimal reproducible example toilet?
 
@JeanneDark I think they call those: Samples..
@CodyGray A good thing did some of this entire discussion though. I can now outsource those to Ryan :)
 
@Scratte Honestly, please do. If you're too uncomfortable to flag, then that's a problem I would like to solve, but it's far worse to leave problematic content on the site.
 
@mickmackusa the tag is a low-use meta tag with no clear description and which is prone to conflicting use (and use in low quality posts).
@mickmackusa If I had the power I would happily do this
 
To be fair, Tyler, you probably shouldn't be manually burninating . The applicable Meta post is here: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/397465/…
 
Not really a manual burnination at this point; I've only removed it from ten or so questions.
Though it was discussed w/ a trusted user already and we do have a concern about it being a suggested synonym (be great if you could nix that, @CodyGray) for
 
8:47 AM
I will re-state my opposition to removing the tags from Joomla pages. It is a clear identifier that is relevant to Joomla article questions.
 
@TylerH Don't see what you're talking about. There is a suggested synonym mapping -> . Is that what you mean?
 
Er, yeah, sorry.
 
OK, that's gone. Didn't make sense.
 
@mickmackusa perhaps a tag is more appropriate, then. is too vague to be used only for "articles" which aren't a programming concept
 
Replacing with would not help researchers who are filtering SO.
 
8:48 AM
What is a "Joomla article" question?
Is Article some kind of class or identifier?
 
okay, is cool.
 
all the original questions (circa 2009) with article were requests for published articles as well
@mickmackusa I agree. Hence my request to have that synonym suggestion cleared
 
Will you be returning to your earlier edits to re-add where is now gone?
 
If you are willing to edit the tag wiki to describe it as an apparent Joomla expert, I will create the tag :-)
 
...oddly I am not a Joomla SME.
 
8:51 AM
That is odd considering you're a moderator on the Joomla site :-P
 
indeed.
"deadman's shoes" situation.
I am SE junky that used to work for a Joomla dev agency, then a moderator election came around, then I tried to self-nominate but was refused since I had been cooled off on SO about 11months earlier. No one stepped up to be a moderator, I then told the CM that if they ran the election in another month I would do raise my hand. I became a moderator without an actual election!
Then one of the existing moderators stepped down.
So it is just me and a Greek guy (I think he's less interested these days; he's been around for a while).
Now I no longer work at that Joomla agency. I have no Joomla projects. I am just being helpful / an advocate.
 

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