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12:00 AM
pinaccle of humour
 
@AdrianMole Just write it up really nice with code.. and replace one of the goto's with your comefrom and ask for debugging help :D
 
SOCVR is the last place where I'd expect this discussion
 
@AndrasDeak That's because nothing ever happens in the Ministry.. it's just me and someone else.. not communicating :D
@S.S.Anne Is it in use?
 
12:26 AM
@Scratte Not before the tag-wiki editor came along and added it to three questions. I removed them.
 
@S.S.Anne I can't see any suggestions, I suppose. To me it just looks empty.
 
1:13 AM
Right. I'll be offline for the duration of April 1st, So I'll see you folks after that, :P
I've learned to avoid the interfools on that day
 
Have a good day.
 
2:01 AM
@SmokeDetector @M-- Your feedback may have ended up on the wrong record for this post. There are two records for this on MS. The first is the OP removing the code. The second is your rollback of the second time the OP removed the code. Your TP ended up on the second one (i.e. your rollback edit). I think you wanted the TP to be on the first record.
 
M--
2:43 AM
@Makyen Thanks for the heads up, got it cleared
@S.S.Anne I don't this is a good advice. stackoverflow.com/questions/52768601/…
There's a system in place for disassociating your account from a question
 
 
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4:45 AM
Morning!
 
 
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6:07 AM
@Dharman Removing "the best way", although changes the question into something that it was not, does not save the question. And if you want to make it about method chaining, it's at best a duplicate.
 
6:27 AM
 
@AdrianHHH Hehe - Maybe I should think about a plagiarism challenge?
 
I've been programming for ages and have memories of computer newspapers (before the web was popular) discussing Fortran's "computed goto" and the obviously related "computed comefrom". The computed goto has similarities to the switch or case statement of newer languages.
 
Well, if not a "computed" comefrom but, certainly a 'multiple' version would have possible usage - as a collector point.
 
6:55 AM
chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/48996519#48996519 can be binned; OP edited it to add clarifying details
 
7:26 AM
Does this answer warrant a R/A flag? (Abuse of the site, IMHO.)
 
@AdrianMole NAA
 
Before I flag it, does anyone else find this inappropriate for respectful discourse. The last comment seems completely unnecessary.
 
Plop folks
 
@Kyll Certainly, NAA or VLQ work, but I was thinking that it's deliberate abuse??
 
the question should be closed, it's general computing
 
7:28 AM
since unregistred user you can flag abusive also
 
@AdrianMole Meh, that's not what the rude flag is for
Rude / abusive really is for things that should be nuked before they hurt people
 
Well, a moderator nuked it and gave me a "helpful" on my R/A flag! :)
 
We actually had a conversation about this with Shog over in SOCVR. The overall conclusion was: All flags fit (offensive, NAA, VLQ) and if it's a new user, it doesn't matter (and spam is plausible). So now I usually flag such content from new users (1 rep, no badge, unregistered) as spam since it's probably spam probing. — Kyll Dec 17 '15 at 13:09
:)
 
@PetterFriberg The idea behind my R/A flag was from a Meta post by Shog9, discussing much the same things as the chat you linked.
 
most if not all mods will approve abusive since user is not registred
 
7:38 AM
@DavidBuck The problem with the last paragraph seems to stem from the use of gendered pronouns: "He was from Nigeria..." But this may just be a language thing, if the poster has a 'Latin'-based Mother Tongue. (Read, "It was from Nigeria..." and it's a lot less offensive!)
 
@AdrianMole I agree. "I discovered the hack emanated from Nigeria and have subsequently blocked IPs from that country" would seem better, albeit still irrelevant to the question. Edit to remove/reword or flag?
 
@DavidBuck It's your call - but editing an otherwise rubbish answer is what Shog would call, "Polishing a turd."
 
@AdrianMole Mod agrees, apparently. Deleted and helpful for R/A flag
 
OK - Maybe El Moderatore no speeks der Engleesh?
 
 
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9:06 AM
If a question was in the queue, was not reopened, then a vote to reopen it after it was edited does not result in the question being thrown back into the reopen queue. Is that the case? I.e. a question has only two shots getting into the reopen queue: the automatic one after editing, and just a single chance on a vote?
 
9:22 AM
@Adriaan I would expect it would already be in the re-open queue, due to the reopen vote?
 
@rene yea, but say it gets into the queue due to the vote, then gets consensus on "leave closed" and thus goes out of the queue again. 1) what happens to the reopen votes on that question? Are they removed? 2) Will a new reopen vote cast on the question put it into the queue again? (I don't completely trust the user's experience, as they don't even have enough rep to see the reopen queue)
 
@Adriaan I would need to find one question with two re-open reviews in different time ranges in SEDE to prove. I'm a bit time restrained atm.
 
@rene there's no hurry on that. Besides, I doubt statistics whipped up by users without database access will impress the company enough to warrant your time.
 
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
 
10:06 AM
@Adriaan Contoso is the fictive company MS uses to base their real life examples on. It is where Alfreds Futterkiste comes from ...
 
10:21 AM
@rene I'm giving up on trying to get proof/references from that user. They keep posting tangentially related things we already know (and described in that meta).
 
10:52 AM
@Makyen thanks for trying to talk sense into that person. Do note though, that they have 2.6k rep and thus don't have access to the relevant queues. (I continued the discussion in the comments on the Q itself, all that they reply is with unrelated info on how the queue works)
 
@Adriaan np. Yeah, I'd noted their rep and was just writing a comment about their claim of having reviewed "thousands" of reopen reviews.
 
I think they claim that there are only two chances to get into the queue: the automated edit based one, and a single time through a reopen vote. The proof of the second claim is utterly lacking iirc
 
11:04 AM
\o
 
11:16 AM
@rene BTW: I found an example and posted a comment. I'd note that the user has also made some blatantly false claims regarding their review experience, so I'm not that enthusiastic about spending time rebutting their statements.
 
@Makyen In theory they could have multiple accounts. Of course it's silly to make claims that is in conflict with the account making the claim.
 
@Scratte Yes, that's certainly possible. It's also possible they have one or more network accounts which are not associated with their SE account. However, it's up to them to demonstrate that there's any possibility that their claims have some basis in reality.
 
11:36 AM
@Makyen I also found an oddity: On my account in Activity -> All actions -> Reviews, there are only "282 Reviews". This is not consistent with my actual number of reviews. Which is currently above 500. It looks like all the now deleted Answers are missing from the list. I don't know if any deleted Questions would also be removed from the list.
I'm only mentioning this because you seem to have a particular high interest in accuracy :)
 
11:56 AM
@Scratte I presume deleted questions aren't it that list. Either because you're <10k rep, or that they're not there for anyone. Lemme check my stats
 
@Scratte Thanks for mentioning it. I wasn't remembering that reviews of now deleted posts were not included in the reviews displayed in the user's list of reviews.
 
@Makyen and @Adriaan If you check my stats, the number may be different though. I don't have access to the deleted Answers. I'm not sure if you have access to deleted Answers directly. I'm sorry that I can't provide stats on Questions. I've been active in Late Answers as I find them much easier than reviewing Questions. But if I have any deleted Questions that you have access to, that number may show. I'd expect it to be less than 10 or so.
Either way there'd be a difference in the 282 that I'm seeing.
 
12:14 PM
@Scratte I had checked my own list. While I didn't do an extensive check, I didn't see any entries for posts which I know I've reviewed as "delete".
 
@Makyen Then it seems the numbers will reflect only non-deleted posts no matter the reputation level, which doesn't give you an advantage when looking at anyone's total count of Reviews. In theory someone could have reviewed 2282 posts where 2000 had been deleted ;)
 
12:36 PM
@Scratte Yes, possible, but the claimed thousands of SO reopen reviews from someone with < 3k rep on SO is ... unlikely. The specific user claims to have a >10k rep Super User account. I'm fine with leaving it at that. I don't see a reason to dispute that claim (i.e. assume good faith).
 
@Makyen if I understand your latest comment about that review correctly, that chap is correct in saying that a question can only be in the reopen queue twice; once through the automated system upon edit, and once through a vote. Any subsequent votes after it left the queue don't push it in there?
In that case, time to clean up the comments and write an answer with that evidence IMO
 
@Adriaan That's not what I understood their claim to be. I understood their claim to be "I think the biggest failure is the fact, a reopen vote, does not push a question back into the reopen queue" (i.e. without qualification).
I believe I've seen a question timeline with at least three reopen review entries, but I don't have an example at hand. The one I vaguely recall was a popular off-topic question.
 
@Makyen yea, that qualification was later added in their next comment. Or that's at least how I interpreted that.
Bottom line, which they finally seem to agree on, is that the queue is broken and needs fixing. IMO, my proposal also fixes their problem (if it actually is one) as side effect.
 
12:54 PM
@Adriaan I read their next comment as just a restatement, not that they mean it won't enter the reopen queue a third time. Given that they are basically refusing to provide an example of either, I'm having a hard time seeing that supposed problem as common/systemic. Without an example from them, I'm of the opinion that it's, at most, a very rare occurrence.
Note: I know there are cases where close-votes have not put the question into the close-vote review queue, so there are probably cases where it's happened for reopen votes too. It's just that such cases, at least for close-votes, are quite rare.
@Adriaan I agree, your proposal should fix the issue (and should have been implemented years ago). It's not a overall fix for the entire process, but it would be a substantial improvement, probably giving the largest benefit for the least effort.
 
1:06 PM
I don't understand much from SQL (or whatever they use on their databases). I see this as presently there's a if (question closed < 5 days) & (edit == first): go to queue; else: do nothing; end. That statement can simply include other checks, such as : edit not by OP", and things I mentioned in the answer.
 
What happens to a Question that's in the Closed Votes Queue, when it's edited? Does it leave the Queue?
 
1:30 PM
@Scratte It leaves the queue if someone clicks the blue "Edit" review action button and edits the post from within the review queue. It does not exit the queue if someone edits the question from the question page.
 
@Makyen that's true, they have an account with >25k reputation on SuperUser. They're pretty active in the site and they have done over 7.5k reviews there.
 
@double-beep Thanks for confirming that. I was just going to accept their word on it.
@Scratte I just remembered that I had an easy way to check this for myself. The reviews visible in my list of actions are less than 50% of the reviews I've done.
 
interestingly, "Recommend Deletion" votes in LQP are not shown, but Delete votes are.
 
@Makyen Thank you. It's so tricky finding out these rules :)
@Makyen Yes, of course. I'll get back to reviewing soon then, without anyone telling me that my number isn't 282 :)
 
@double-beep That's a different account though; I'd say you are right, given the amount of reviews, rep and avatar confirming their SO-story, but that has a different account on SO main. Confirmation can only come from the OP themselves
 
1:40 PM
@Scratte FWIW that functionality is mentioned here stackoverflow.com/help/privileges/close-questions though not until the bottom of the page
 
@Adriaan no, it's not a different account. They've hidden their SU profile.
 
@TylerH Yes, I see that. Though I was mostly interested in the edit link outside the queue.
 
hopefully you can rely on the same premise as D&D 5E: there are no hidden rules :-D
 
@PetterFriberg I don't know who that guy you quote is but I don't like him =p
 
@double-beep I'm not seeing any of my "Delete" reviews from LQP queue reviews. I suspect they are only visible until the post is deleted.
 
2:56 PM
 
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Q: Burninate [hackintosh]

S.S. Anne Does it describe the contents of the questions to which it is applied? and is it unambiguous? Yes. It's about a Hackintosh. Is the concept described even on-topic for the site? No. Hackintosh is a more general-computing topic, as are most of the questions in that tag. The only programming ...

 
Hey, they moved "follow" to after "edit"... nice!
 
Finally. I kept hitting "share".
 
@Kyll :), yeah stay away from that spearell!
 
But now I keep hitting follow instead of close... :'(
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@Larnu You should not request that spam posts be deleted. Instead, use a "[tag:flag-pls] flag as spam" request. This has a much more powerful effect than simple deletion
4
 
4:52 PM
wait what?
How did we post the same cv-pls at the same time?
 
@Dharman no, it is an answer. Just not an answer to the question asked. Unfortunately, for something to be NAA it has to be not an answer to any possible question on the site
however it's totally a bad answer for that question...
@double-beep yep, definitely rude
 
@TylerH suspicious it has been upvoted...
 
looking back, I think I'll retract my "borderline" phrase
 
@gunr2171 hm?
 
my comment on that post, I had "borderline rude" at the start
 
5:59 PM
ah, I didn't read the comments
Thanks for the info I guess?
 
meh
 
lol
 
i tried
 
I'm sure there's a user script that adds a 'report' link to MS under posts
 
Ummm... The alpha Request Generator can format !!/report commands for you.
 
6:06 PM
I just never need to report stuff
 
buttons are hard
 
:-)
 
I remembered the syntax except for the quotes... then when I edited it I put the opening quote in the wrong place
 
6:58 PM
If you happen to hit follow instead of close, are you clicking the third link from the left or the second link from the right? :)
 
7:12 PM
Possible spam? Looks like the poster is affiliated to WordPress?
 
Also, that WordPress 'user' has three answers, all with the same link.
 
@AdrianMole while the OP discloses affiliation (we), posting 3 answers promoting a plugin seems excessive
ninja'd
 
@Scratte Depending on what userscripts you are running, there could be a lot more entries in that list. For instance, I have more entries in the post-menu added by userscripts than exist in the original. :)
 
@double-beep I've added a canned auto-comment on all three - should I also flag as spam?
 
7:16 PM
a mod-flag would suffice, IMO
 
@Makyen I don't think developers can take individual user-scripts into consideration when making a change to the SO user interface :) I have so far guessed that the non-user-scripted layout is: share edit follow close flag. I don't have close votes, so I'm just guessing the placement of follow and close.
 
@double-beep OK, you convinced me: I've raised a mod flag indicating multi-spam on one of the answers.
... and mentioned this chat, for backup! So you can share the blame if I get a "declined!" :)
 
@Scratte I wouldn't expect them to take userscripts into account. :) Yes, the order you've mentioned is correct. Although, "close" may alternately be "delete". There's also "protect"/"unprotect", if the question qualifies for that action.
 
@Makyen I do not believe that placing follow should be after flag, as that causes the same problems with everyone trying to flag accidentally hitting follow instead of flag. I assumed that people hitting close, would pick the second to last option, not the third option :) But if you see Larnu's starred message, it seems some are in fact hitting the third option.
 
... and a spam flag, to boot, on the one the Smokey just piped out.
 
7:23 PM
Why am I seeing a "- timeout - retry / edit / cancel" on my last message? It's sticking to the bottom of the chat.
 
@Scratte How people have integrated the action into muscle memory will vary from user to user.
 
@Scratte perhaps because of your internet connection?
 
@double-beep Ok thanks. I was afraid I'd hit a daily maximum of X words on SOCVR ;)
 
@Scratte I just had that retry/edit/cancel message, too. Sometimes, you have to re-post, sometimes it has already posted. Refresh the page in your browser to see which.
 
@Scratte That is done when SE's chat code doesn't get a response from the server when attempting to post the message. It's either that the server was slow or a networking issue.
 
7:25 PM
@Scratte you'll get a different message for that.
 
M--
@Scratte same here, I think this quarantine gonna blow up the Internet
 
@M-- Maybe somebody should increase the size of the gap between chat messages: Social Distancing, and all that!
 
@M-- Think of it as a time out. Corona is best served cool with lime during this time :)
 
Youtube switch to serving all video in SD instead of HD (by default) because of the huge upswing in demand in the last few weeks
 
As a point of interest they are in the middle of migrating the site's servers over to the ones running .net core so in addition to more traffic they may also be encountering new bugs with code that isn't as tested as the old .NET stuff
 
7:27 PM
@AdrianMole Thank you. I don't want to post the same message twice :)
 
@NathanOliver luckily I haven't seen any auto settings to below 720p - I assume because my profile settings say 'never play stuff below 720p'
 
@Scratte To the best of my knowledge, there's no hard limit of X words. There is a variable rate limit for chat messages. The maximum sustained rate is 1 chat message every 20 seconds. However, the limit that is applied starts low and increases to a maximum of 20 seconds, depending on how many messages you've recently posted.
 
@double-beep I don't want to know ;)
@Makyen Lucky for me I type slowly.. but not as slow as I think :D
 
@TylerH Where is that setting? Is that the AV1 setting?
 
@Makyen My testing indicates it's actually a bit more complex than this. In the brief testing which I did (a few different sets, but up to 30 messages), it was only every other message which was actually rate limited (i.e. the 2nd, 4th, 6th, etc. message could be posted with no delay).
Basically, it was possible to post as fast as chat would permit, as long as you waited for the response from the server prior to posting the next message and if the server's response was an error stating you needed to wait X seconds, then you need to actually wait X seconds and re-try the message which got the error.
 
7:37 PM
@NathanOliver I don't recall exactly. Let me go look
wow they've totally dumbed down the youtube settings since I last looked at them
now there are like no options
 
@Makyen Ok. Which any normal user will, surely. If it says "Wait 2 seconds to post your next message" there's no point in not waiting :)
 
@TylerH Yeah. I can't find anything like that
 
@Scratte Well, there are people who just like mashing buttons. :) Also, it's rare that people will know exactly how long they've waited, particularly when the wait gets longer, so it's not unexpected that they may click the button early, or late. It would be easier if the system told them when that time had expired.
 
@NathanOliver that's annoying AF. I hate when updates reduce my options like that. It looks like it changed some time in 2019 too, so nothing to do with the COVID-19 increased bandwidth use
Also annoying is that the playback options are now tied to a specific browser
You used to be able to set the playback preference to HD in your profile and it would apply on all browsers/devices you were logged in on
 
I can actually see why that would be nice. For instance I would rather limit my phone than my PC
 
7:44 PM
which is, of course, how it should work for #pcmasterrace
@NathanOliver it should be an option
 
@Makyen They clearly do not know about my native way of counting seconds in boxes of beer :) 1 kasse øl, 2 kasser øl, 3 kasser øl.. :) But you're right. Just changing the color of the input text field or the send button would do it.
 
Anyway, I am seeing "auto" as my selected choice, but I am definitely getting videos playing at 720p60fps (which, btw, I hate the 60fps thing. I need to re-install that browser addon that fixed it to play at 30fps like the good old days). So I am guessing that YouTube is lying to me and actually grandfathered in my old preference to always play at 720p or higher when available
That or they're doing a gradual rollout of the 480p change
 
Or maybe they think 720p is SD. I just tried a couple videos and they were all at 720
 
@NathanOliver that would be nice
technically 480p is HD
at least it was back in the day
 
I don't know why they just can't use a number instead of saying SD. Maybe they used SD to give themselves more leeway
 
7:53 PM
articles I've just found about the announcement do specify 480p
so I'm guessing they did mention it in their presser
also, WUT, newegg.com has a darkmode now
 
REALLY?!?
 
yep
topright
there's a little unlabeled toggle, when you hover over it a tooltip shows for darkmode
 
ooooohhhhhh yyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
 
@NathanOliver Dang it, how many times have I told you not to burst through the wall like that?
 
I think that's e^iπ+3 times now
 
8:04 PM
lol
 
8:15 PM
lol, that's fun. First time I see the 'take our survey' banner this time around, and it pops up a new window that says 'sorry, you've either already taken this survey or your session has expired'
 
8:31 PM
@double-beep On that WordPress spamming issue: I've noticed that all three posts by that user have now been deleted (presumably, as spam - one, for sure). My mod-flag is still pending so, here's the $64,000 question: At this stage, would you assume that the system and/or community can/has handled it (and retract the mod-flag), or would you leave it?
 
@AdrianMole I'd leave it, in case mods want to nuke the user.
 
... I tend to be very conservative when it comes to raising mod-flags. Our moderators are very busy (April Fools' plus the lock-downs don't help), and I don't like to overly bother them.
... but don't the mods get 'notified' by the system if one user gets multiple spam deletions?
 
@Dharman I gave it a "half-hammer" (as it already had one CV). :)
 
@AdrianMole Leave it. If your mod-flag contained something mods should look into then keep it. Mods prioritise easier flags, but they will eventually look into your concerns too.
 
@AdrianMole I thought NAA flags were something only mods handled. Though such may be easier to deal with.
 
I am not sure if mods get auto-flag for spam, I think the system blacklists the user. There was a meta post listing all auto-flags, but I don't know where it was.
@Scratte No, NAA and VLQ go into LQP queue if the answer is not accepted and score <1
Mods do act faster than the queue reaches consensus most of the time.
 
@Dharman What are you implying with "prioritise easier flags?" You're beginning to sound a lot like Rene! (He who has called moderators, "slackers.")
 
8:55 PM
@AdrianMole There's more NAA, VLQ, Spam and simple custom flags, which do not require a lot of thinking and research. From what I can see they leave the ones which need some thinking or making a difficult decision for later.
It's how my flags get handled at least.
 
... certainly, I've noticed the speed of our mods today! I've been trying to earn your 'favour' by getting in my 100 flag daily quota, but the likes of Bhargav, Sam and the Martijn-bot have been beating me to the potential NAA flags reported by the Puppy! ;)
 
The simple mod-flags get handled within 1-2 hours. The more difficult ones take around 2 days to be handled.
@AdrianMole There's still some of my bot reports, which are not handled.
Usuallly the last twenty are still not deleted. chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/210133/naabot
Although, I can see there's few false positives there now.
 
@Dharman Thanks for the link to your chat room! I'll add it to my favourites and hang out there when I have the strength and/or inclination.
 
It's still in the testing phase. I am not sure yet if it is useful at all.
 
Is it an alpha- or beta-test? But whatever, it looks useful, so stick with the project and keep the faith.
... and it will require a catchy name, of course - DharBot?
... "NAABot" feels like it was invented by an AI.
 
9:05 PM
@Dharman I had no idea. I just notice that the flags are marked helpful and a moderator removed the post. If it's processed in the LQP, is it then deleted by "Community"?
 
@Scratte No, the users who voted to delete are then listed out, just like in the close reason
 
@Dharman So this is the room to hide in to get out of a flag-ban :D
 
@Scratte Not really, if you flagged all the posts there, you would get a flag ban. It reports posts which are potentially NAA based on some heuristics.
 
@Dharman Are you saying that users (like myself) who can't actually vote to delete (only recommend) can't, in themselves, get an LQP deleted ... it still needs the quorum of real delete votes?
 
@Dharman Flagging without looking at the post first was not a part of my idea :)
 
9:12 PM
@Dharman There you have the acronym: Some Heuristic Inspection Tool! ;P
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@AdrianMole No, but the real delete votes carry more power and the post gets deleted quicker
 
So what does the deleted post show if there aren't three real votes?
... Community?
 
The names of people who recommended the deletion
 
@Dharman Let me know if you need someone helping to check/flag stuff from your room.
 
Interesting. Maybe that's why I have so many "delete votes" in my profile, even though the total is greater than what it would be if I had cast all my quota every day since I attained that privilege.
 
9:16 PM
@Scratte You can always help out. The room is open. If you want to edit or flag some of these posts be my guess. Then I can focus more on fixing the bugs rather than flagging them.
@AdrianMole No. The recommendations are not delete votes. :)
 
But one of our 'slackers' once told me that they "sort of count as semi-delete votes." Which is what the link you gave looks like: One real DV plus 3 recommendations.
 
Yes, but they count only if the review reached the end.
 
@Dharman Maybe something need to be worked out so you know which ones have been flagged? It makes no sense if you don't know which ones were checked.
 
The real delete votes even if cast in the review process are treated as real votes. The half-delete votes are only effective if the review process ends in delete majority.
 
@Scratte I don't think any of us (bots included, but not mods) can see current flags on a post.
 
9:20 PM
@Scratte There probably should be something like this, but at the moment I do not need it. If you flag it then it will probably be deleted before I get the time to read it.
 
@AdrianMole But we could work out a system, so the human checkup of the individual items on the room is marked. There's no reason for two people to check the same line.
 
Indeed - I think Smokey does just that.
 
@Dharman Ok. I may use it to get my Gold flagger status :)
 
There is no gold-flagger 'status' - only a badge (Marshal).
 
@AdrianMole Scratte is talking about Sam's ranks.
 
9:24 PM
I thought that was one of Sam's jokes.
 
Apparently mods are ranking us.
 
... but difficult to tell, sometimes.
 
No joke.. it's real! I'm bronze. I need another 737 helpful flags to get Gold :) And!.. at less than 1000 total flags there can only be a declined percentage of 0.1
 
With 352 helpful flags, you're silver not bronze (= first flag).
 
9:28 PM
Sorry.. 0.5
 
... and 1000 - 352 = 648, BTW.
 
Nope.. only post flags count. No red or comment flags.
 
... unless you use PHP or Pythonm of course.
 
@AdrianMole wat
 
what he said
 
9:30 PM
@TylerH typo: Pythonm -> Python,
@Scratte RED flags certainly count! Dunno 'bout comments, tho'
 
@AdrianMole my question was about the math, not the typo :-P
is 1000 - 352 not 648 in PHP or Python?
 
@AdrianMole I'm talking about a particular user script used to rank users for their flagging statistics :)
 
It was an expression of disdain for languages in which I have earned no reputation.
... joke was clearly too subtle for our trans-Atlantic cousins.
... and, of course, depends on what radix you're using.
 
reminds me of the Java post saying Java was broken because 010 wasn't 10 :)
 
010 is octal for 8.
0x10 is hexadecimal for 16.
0b10 is binary for 2.
 
9:37 PM
@S.S.Anne Yes.. but the user posting it was claiming it was a Java SE bug :)
 
10 is decimal for 10.
Funny how 10 in all of these correspond to the base used.
 
@S.S.Anne "funny"
 
I also saw a C/C++ post recently about the literal 010 - it's the same, begnning with 0 implies octal.
Think I've said it before, but: 101 multiplied by 11 is the same in whatever base you do it.
 
@AdrianMole you can't really do that in unary
 
@S.S.Anne I am pretty sure this is how math works.
 
9:41 PM
Whoa!
 
You can't do anything really in unary - that's just Boolean algebra.
... what is "true" squared. What is the logarithm of "false"?
 
Logarithm of false is undefined. True squared is true.
 
@AndrasDeak How could you have any numbers in unary? How do you know what 0 or 00000 means? You only have 1 digit.
@AdrianMole That is binary.
 
@Dharman hence "you can't really do that"
I mean, numbers are definitely a thing in unary
 
"" is 0. "0" is 1. "00000" is 5. Very space-inefficient.
 
9:44 PM
@S.S.Anne You are falling into the trap of assuming that Boolean values really equate to numeric equivalents ... but they don't!
 
1 is one, 11 is two, 111 is three
 
It's like saying I can count on one finger.
 
@Dharman But I can greet people with one finger! ;P
 
@AdrianMole In some places you get arrested for that ;)
 
Hehe - In some African countries, hitching a lift by sticking your thumb out can also get you arrested! (Thumb == Middle Finger in such places.)
@Dharman 35 flags to go, ~2 hours left ... it's a big ask!
 
9:55 PM
@AdrianMole There's still this page: chat.stackoverflow.com/search?q=3.5&room=126814
 
... thanks, but I follow Natty anyway, when I'm in a flag mood.
 
If anyone wants to help this unfortunate user :) How to exit ultra ultra dark mode?
 
@AndrasDeak 1 is one, 10 is two, 11 is three. Unless you're talking about unary.
 
Ok. Can we at least agree that 0 is 0?
 
@Scratte 0 is not a number. Also, linked post looks like a something from my old friend, Professor Loof Lirpa.
... he's a professor of Palindrome Studies!
 
@AdrianMole I get the feeling I must really come off as exceptionally stupid :D
 
What do you mean, "sometimes?"
... np, btw.
 
(not a joke)
 
Not a reopen-pls because I'm not sure if that's against the rules.
 
10:24 PM
@S.S.Anne is that a request?
... ninja!
 
@AdrianMole Refresh your browser tab.
 
... but why would it be against the rules - you don't seem to be involved?
IMHO, it is what used to be called "Too broad," but now that's "Needs focus."
 
It was closed and reopened multiple times, and there's an active Meta discussion going on:
 
@S.S.Anne OK, I didn't get the full history from your post. Thanks for the explanation and the Meta link ... I'll need time to digest.
 
@S.S.Anne Yeah, if it's been open/closed multiple times and/or it's being discussed on meta, we really shouldn't be handling it here.
 
10:45 PM
@S.S.Anne I remember reading about a general rule about it (not related to the room rules), should a new Question of this type be asked. I'm fairly sure a new post should be closed.
@AdrianMole I have no opinion about that particular post. I just remembered seeing an example as I was digging deep in meta :)
 
np - I didn't wait to see the link you gave, so I deleted my last message. I blame to dodgy Rioja (as ever).
 
If I make a close request for a question which is later reopened (by those outside of SOCVR), can I ask for it to be closed again? (It's this joke "question" which, to me, seems to have absolutely no place here)
 
11:02 PM
@CertainPerformance You might have a hard time finding someone to close it today. Why not wait 1 day and then close it?
 
Why wait? People don't come to Stack Overflow to read jokes
 
Because it is 1st April. People are not very serious today.
 
@CertainPerformance No. At that point, it's preferable for you to take it to Meta.
 

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