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9:00 PM
@CodyGray well, they're not exactly good tags
but it's better to have one than two...
there are multiple Meta questions that identify them as being bad/in need of cleanup
(among others)
 
@CodyGray There's also them
 
oh bummer, getting a backoff violation on the cv-pls scanner script
 
ChefCon: the latest innovations in cooking?
 
Close. Kinda like an ancestor of Docker
 
Huh. From what I hear, Docker is the end all, be all of everything ever.
Except...you need Kubernetes to manage your Docker, or something like that
 
9:07 PM
@Machavity I think that guy stole Cody's glasses.
 
@CodyGray FWIW I'm actually trying to figure that one out right now
Chef is scripting to deploy a server. We use the free version to deploy our web servers. Docker is containers that are like mini-VMs, and Kubernetes is a way to scale those mini-VMs
Even still, that's probably not 100% right
 
@TylerH If you mean the Archiver, it should be respecting any backoff which it receives. [Actually, it should be going overboard about doing so]. It's possible that SE API requests from other activity on your IP address resulted in a backoff which was received prior to the Archiver making requests, but that should be relatively rare, unless you're doing something unusual.
 
What’s the advantage of mini-VMs, versus using server software that is already designed to be scalable to adapt to hardware resources (e.g., by spinning off threads)?
 
The idea is that you have each service in isolation. I don't know that there's any major advantage, but each mini-VM is scripted to be simple to run
 
there's an xkcd for that
 
9:20 PM
6 to 8 years back you had to deal with one borked service, due to Kubernetes you have now scaled your disaster ...
 
Hmm. I took a different tack: I stuck with my desktop that does support multiple monitors. How anyone can work without them boggles my mind.
 
@Makyen I was getting a 502 (or 503?) error saying it was receiving a backoff request. I don't think I was doing anything other than hanging out here in chat at the time
 
I still don’t see the advantage, though. Why pay the overhead of a VM, when I can just spin off additional threads to handle the requests?
 
Three shall be the monitors thou shalt have, and the number of the monitors shall be three. Four shalt thou not have, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three.
 
9:35 PM
@NathanOliver But sometimes you just need 4
 
@CodyGray Not all software can do that, so docker is a cheap way to convert that software in to something that scales. Another thing is isolation. If the services are in different VM's, then you can take one down without affecting the other. Another benefit is that you can really narrow down what is on the machine since you don't need dependencies for all the services, just the one service the VM is running.
 
@CodyGray For individual stuff it doesn't make sense. But at scale I can see where it comes into play. Inconsistent deployment of stuff can have consequences
 
Gotta be honest, all these tools seem like workarounds for severe bloat in software today
You shouldn’t need a million dependencies to run a web server
 
True, but you should also be able to spin up a web server quickly in some environments as well. Having a way to do that automatically makes sense
 
No love for shell scripts?
And when you’re dealing with VMs, you can just clone
I don’t deal with this stuff. I work at an entirely different level of abstraction, so it’s not something that makes complete sense to me.
I get the big principles, of course. Automation is fantastic. So is repeatability, consistency, testing, etc.
 
10:06 PM
Woo-Hoo - I just posted an answer on FORTRAN - and got rep!!
... still a long way to go before I get the FORTRAN Gold Hammer, though! :(
 
it'll be hard to get that with Vladimir F guarding the gates :)
 
But a great blast of nostalgia, nonetheless!
... and we have our own "Big Vlad" in the C/C++ tags.
 
@AdrianMole Your enthusiasm is great :)
 
@Scratte - It's FUN!
 
@AdrianMole Sure :) Your Woo-Hoo is just sort of what people thinks, but rarely says :) It's refreshing.
 
10:23 PM
@AdrianMole I saw that Q earlier. I saw FORTRAN code so I skipped it because it was most likely an audit ;)
 
hehe
 
10:39 PM
@Makyen Thanks, yes - I thought just using the question ID would be a good approach, and it seemed to work (in that it confirmed I had not posted that question before). Handy!
 
 
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11:43 PM
posted on February 25, 2020

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Nobody told Feeds about the one-box rule? ;)
 
@Scratte The feeds are the exception.
 
@Makyen Thank you :) I guess I was just trying to make a joke.
 
@Scratte Yeah, sometimes I just give a flat response to jokes. :-;
 
@Makyen This situation is just funny now. I can't stop laughing :)
 
11:55 PM
:-)
 
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