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12:19 AM
@NathanOliver Well, no, because you don't want a count. That forces the compiler to do extra work. Clang is actually generating nice SIMD code for that, but it's still computing stuff you don't want.
@S.S.Anne This is not even in the same universe as true.
@AdrianMole I don't know how long ago that was, but if it was more than a couple of years ago, something was wrong. Intel C++ is well known for generating vastly more efficient numerical code than MSVC.
 
12:35 AM
o/
 
12:49 AM
\o
@CodyGray Well, then can you share with me some experiences with optimization issues?
 
@S.S.Anne I can share lots of experience, but what I was commenting on was your claim that C++ is somehow less optimal than C.
 
1:09 AM
Oh. My C++ code always seems clunky and large compared to the equivalent C code. I guess that's because I use templates a lot.
 
Optimizers couldn't care one whit about whether you use templates or not.
Those templates get expanded at compile time, and the optimizer sees them exactly as it would the equivalent C code.
Templates are generally going to give you better object code than if you tried to write it in C, because in C, you'd have to do something like pass pointers to void to simulate a generic function. Accessing this data then requires a pointer dereference. Even if not, the optimizer can't make assumptions about the actual type of data that is being passed, whereas in C++, it knows exactly what type the data is and can optimize accordingly.
 
1:47 AM
@CodyGray I was about 7 or 8 years ago. But my point is that, if your code is really good, ten there ain't much an optimizer can do to improve it.
...other thna cottec tiposi.
 
@AdrianMole That's...absolutely wrong.
There are high-level and low-level optimizations.
If you choose a bad algorithm, then the optimizer isn't magically going to fix that (...usually), and your code is still going to be slow.
But for low-level optimizations, the intelligence of the optimizer can make a world's worth of difference.
I regularly see a doubling of performance by rewriting code in subtle ways to convince a backend code-gen to generate different object code.
 
Fair point, but I mean really good!
For example, take FFTW - optimizers won't (can't) do much about that.
 
I haven't really looked at it
I can't use it because it's license is incompatible with what I do at work
So I've written my own optimized FFT code
Well, pseudo-optimized.
It doesn't use intrinsics or anything like that, and I haven't spent more than a couple of days on truly optimizing it.
I expect if I had the time to devote to it, I could at least double the performance, if not increase by a factor of ten or more.
But I'm rather surprised at and dubious of the claim that the optimizer can't do much with that code.
 
Yo', big man! Talk is cheap.
 
I've done this before for things, just not FFT.
Optimizing strlen was a fun project
 
1:56 AM
... and it does use intrinsics - that's the point.
 
That got something like 100 times faster than what compilers will naively generate with a call to strlen.
Intrinsics require a really good optimizer. Otherwise, you'll get garbage output.
 
Anyway - back to chat and stop spoilng by close-vote powers!
.. (my) not (by)
 
It made sense either way, I think.
I was spoiling by [virtue of my] close vote powers.
 
bah, humbug!
 
I was not aware folks found that annoying, though
 
2:02 AM
hehe - One of your best (ever) quotes on SOCVR was the "I'm not out of close votes..." line.
... at 02:02 UTC, not relevant, perhaps?
 
Yeah, I don't think that depends on the time
 
That's an FP afrom Smokey - need to sign up to get "privileges"
... typos galore, tonite - beer convolved.
 
@AdrianMole Definitely. Then you can be frustrated to discover that I've already marked it as such there, too.
 
Saw that it's gone - I'll have to talk to his/her/its.their owners.
 
It's run by Charcoal; you can see how to get involved here. (Yay, another chat room!)
 
2:11 AM
All these new options can confuse me ... I'm an old man with no future!
 
An old man? Here I was assuming you were like my age.
 
... cynical, too, sometimes
 
Well, it's OK. I'm an old man at heart.
 
... BTW, I'm not even sure that you even actually exists, outwith the SO domain.
 
I haven't passed the Turing Test?
 
2:17 AM
Not yet! But somebody just asked about Breshenham's Line Algorithm - it demands attenton.
 
Only if it's tagged . Otherwise I'll let somebody else get to it.
 
... looked already - other folks 'on the case'.
How about ?
 
Doesn't exist
Microsoft made it up :-)
is like a version-specific tag. Any question about x86-64 should also be tagged .
 
Please don't get involved in the Tag Wars.
 
There are Tag Wars?
I got exhausted fighting the Nutmeg Wars.
 
2:24 AM
Only metaphorically.
Did you never do "Tag-of-War" at school?
 
I think other people did that
 
2:57 AM
Anyway - Good night folks the beer's won in my wee war. Keep the faith, y'all!
 
 
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4:28 AM
 
4:48 AM
SO goes down for a good 15-20 minutes, and @KenWhite never misses a beat.
 
@CodyGray Somebody's gotta do the work, right? :-)
 
Darn right
 
5:37 AM
I flagged a question as spam as it is not really a question and is just advertising an apk application, but a moderator declined it. I just wanted to ask to review this question again: stackoverflow.com/questions/60183214/…
 
@MasoudKeshavarz If you have questions about a flag and what happened to it, you should be asking on Meta Stack Overflow instead. SOCVR isn't the appropriate place.
 
oh sorry
 
@MasoudKeshavarz I reviewed it again. Your spam flag was valid. I think the other moderator read it too quickly and assumed it was a legitimate question
The same user also posted an answer to another question containing the exact same link and advertisement, which made it especially clear that it was spam.
 
While MSO does offer a broader audience, this room is for "support and discussion about reviewing and coordination of site-wide cleanup efforts", which sounds reasonably on-topic
 
Yeah, it just doesn't make much sense to ask about moderator flags in here, since only moderators can help you.
There's no guarantee that there'll be a moderator in here to see your questions. Whereas if you ask on Meta, we will be able to see them.
You got lucky this time.
 
 
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dbc
Should this be closed? it has 8 upvotes since 2014, most recently in 2018: Rails 4 Video Conferencing Solution / Gem / Integration I am looking for a video conferencing option for my rails app.
 
 
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9:22 AM
@dbc a mod said "yes"
 
10:04 AM
Hello :)
 
Hi
 
I was just reading about votes, and found this "Votes can only be changed for a short period of time, so be careful with those clicks!" Does anyone know what that time period is?
 
@Scratte Quick google search reveals: meta.stackexchange.com/a/98929/515960
 
@Dharman Thanks. I only searches via help :( Don't mind me.. I'm stupid.
 
Is this abusive or could just be edited "i will pay for ayone can fix and help me run without error"?
 
10:09 AM
Edit it out. Unless the whole reason for the post was to advertise freelancing then spam flag.
 
No spam, just an email address in the code comment. Will edit out. Thank you
 
10:46 AM
Dhaman, yes - done :-)
 
 
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12:26 PM
I just saw a post where it says "I have come up with java solution please advise.." But the exact same code is on a tutorial site.
Do I mention this in a comment or flag it?
 
I would flag for plagiarising because of "come up"
But you still could let a comment and if the OP is iressponsive then flag
 
there are even two.. below it is "mine solution is" just prior to the code.
Ok.. I'll give them some time then :)
 
I found the post, indeed "mine" ;)
 
I was thinking about: Kindly [edit] your Question to reflect the true origin of this code.
You could have just asked me for the link :)
Not sure if my comment is kind enough. I just got a little upset inside my soul when I saw it..
It looks like they're just circumventing the rules to contract a free code-writer.
 
@Scratte Is that their comment?
 
12:40 PM
@Vega No. It's mine. As a response to your "I found the post, .." :)
 
@Scratte Haha, it was easy ;)
@Scratte Your comment is kind :)
 
@Vega Well, I am letting the world know that they just stole it. I could have said: I think I've seen this code before. Are you sure it's yours?
 
I cv-ed as "needs more focus" because it truly lacks any effort from their side (besides the copypasta)
 
What happens to the plagiarism if the Question is closed?
I'm at giving them one hour now. They just accepted an answer.
 
@Scratte If the post is plagiarised you need to flag for moderators attention. They will delete the post and check other posts of that user to see if they didn't steal any more content.
 
12:50 PM
With some "speculation" I would say it would be in hands of the mod who could afflict a heavy penalty
 
In some cases there was meant to be an attribution, but the user might not know what a quote is and how to use it. Then it should be enough to edit the post to insert the quote in the quote block.
 
Well. They seem to not respond to my comment. It takes less than 1 minute to find the original code, so I just flagged it.
Thanks for your help on this :)
@Dharman I wouldn't mind editing the post. It just doesn't look like an innocent mistake to me.
 
@Scratte Then flag it
 
1:14 PM
Should I also flag 2 other posts that has the exact same problem?
..by the same user
 
2:00 PM
@Scratte It would give more dimension to the intention to plagarize, so yes
 
@Vega Ok. Thanks. I wasn't sure if looking at every Question by some user was frowned upon. Unless one is a moderator, of course.
 
 
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@AdrianMole It's mostly being coordinated through Discord; but if there are important updates, someone will update here, I think.
 
5:12 PM
Room question: if I ping a gold-badge question closer from the comments using their @name, will they be notified even if they have not commented? I know this works with edits, but not sure about closes.
 
I would think so
 
Thanks John.
@Mithical Not a RO, but I would be happy to see strike updates/discussion here, as long as it does not swamp the room. It directly affects the room's mission.
FWIW I am moderately in favour of strike action, even though SO curating is such a normal part of my day, I think not doing it would feel like an emotional loss. I have some quibbles about the strike statement (I find the claims that SO is calling its user-base "toxic" to be rather overblown, and sometimes the demeanour towards new users really is unpleasant). Nevertheless, I think SO really do need to be less corporate and lawyerly.
 
5:29 PM
@halfer I think it works if they were the only person to vote to close. If it was an effort of 2 or 3 people then you can't
 
5:39 PM
@halfer Please see How do comment @replies work? and No notification for comment reply when using Dupe Hammer along with other close voters. The short answer is "if you're solely responsible for an action on a post, you're pingable."
 
@Makyen and Dharman, thanks. Turns out the rules for pinging is fiendishly complicated, and the users who most need to remember how it works are the least likely to be invested in doing so. Ho-hum!
 
 
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7:42 PM
@DavidW It could be a spam seed
 
@Dharman It's as plausible as anything else
 
8:44 PM
A question from a miserable volunteer: I think I would like to have the privilege to vote to delete if I can find 5 duplicates to close with (a mega-duplicate question) regardless of vote tally e.g. stackoverflow.com/q/60242429/2943403 Is this too vulnerable to abuse? Worth asking on Meta? Arguments against?
 
@mickmackusa You already have the 20k ability to delete. I'm not sure what more you're asking for.
 
9:03 PM
It wasn't -3 / deletable when I asked.
Sometimes volunteers protect megaduplicates from being deletable by upvoting the question.
 
9:24 PM
@mickmackusa But, any question can be deleted with the 10k privilege once the question's been closed for 2 days, regardless of score, or any other criteria, other than being locked. [Note: that doesn't mean that all closed questions should be deleted, just that they can be delete-voted after 2 days.]
 
@mickmackusa Just wait 48 hours. Usually there's no need to hurry.
@mickmackusa Makyen has made this nice userscript which will remind you in 2 days of the post you want to be deleted. It's great for remembering. Many of us keep lists of bad posts on our own too, be it in browser bookmarks, SO favourites, in a notepad or in a custom site (I do that so.dharman.net/questions) . The 20k privs should really only be needed if the post is outrageously bad, but it doesn't fall under Spam or Rude/abusive.
 
10:11 PM
@Dharman I have a few userscripts on my desktop but I am volunteering almost 100% of the time from my mobile, so I can't enjoy that tool. I think being able to delete mega-duplicates quickly will send a clear message to unaware new volunteers and rep farming veterans that it simply isn't worth answering mega-duplicates because all earned rep are swiftly taken away. Waiting 2 days will give enough "disassociation" time that the message (intended grooming) will be less impactful.
 
10:45 PM
Are low rep users suppose to look at what the robot is saying and possibly flag it, or is it just meant for people that can remove the spam immediately?
 
@Scratte You can ask for privileges but it's strongly recommended to read the wiki first to learn how to use Charcoal and install userscripts to help you interact with Smoke Detector.
But yes, you should flag that one as spam.
 
and be very very careful and conscious in your decision if you do end up investigating reports
 
There's also a training guide that'll teach you about SmokeDetector and how to use it, and is recommended for you to read through before actively interacting with the bot.
 
@S.S.Anne I didn't mean interacting with the robot. I means put a little red flag on the post that Mr. Robot has mentioned, as a regular user using the "flag" link :)
 
@Scratte That's a good idea if the post is obviously spam, R/A (rude or abusive), or not an answer.
 
10:52 PM
@Mithical Thanks. I may still read it, even if I'm not familiar enough with this site to want to interact with it.
 
Can a mod nuke this request?
 
11:06 PM
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
@Scratte Only elected moderators (and SE employees) can delete immediately. Everyone else should flag spam and rude/abusive posts, which anyone with >= 15 rep can do. Users with >= 20k can vote-to-delete under some circumstances (>=10k under other circumstances, which usually don't apply for spam/R/A content), but delete-votes aren't how spam/R/A posts should be handled.
 
@Makyen Thank you for clearing that up. My impression of the powers of more reputation was clearly off. I was therefore also wrongly under the impression that my small contribution of flagging was useless.
 

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