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@EJoshuaS Isn't that strange, to post the exact same question?
I wrote before thinking, sorry. The target was closed, the dupe OP wanted to add an answer
 
 
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4:27 AM
Do hummers work with some conditions?
 
4:47 AM
@Vega Hmmmm... I'm not sure what you are asking. There are lots of things that could be considered "hummers".
 
@Makyen Hahaha, sorry, my bad
I was asking about "dup hammers"
I cv as duplicate a question but it wasn't closed stackoverflow.com/q/44030101/5468463
 
@Vega That makes a lot more sense. The gold badge holder can unilaterally close as duplicate any question which they can normally vote to close. The only restriction on that which I was aware of is that the hammer doesn't work on questions where the gold badge holder edited the question to add the tag in which they have the gold badge. IIRC, there are some corner cases involving other tag edits which also have been reported to cause the dup-hammer to not function.
Based on the fact that your vote didn't close that question, I'm going to assume that the dup-hammer also doesn't work on questions where gold badge holder is one of the people who approved the edit which added the tag they have a gold badge in (see the suggested edit, which you approved).
 
@Makyen Nice catch.
 
5:03 AM
@MikeM. Thanks. Yeah, that was an interesting one. I certainly wasn't remembering that would be the case.
 
@Makyen You hammered it! :)
I didn't remember about that edit approval. That makes so much sense
@Makyen Thank you very much!
 
@Vega :-)
@Vega Anytime.
The edit was 2 years ago. I would have been surprised if you did remember it. Reviewing specific edits really isn't something that should be memorable.
 
Yes, old times, when every second question about Angular or AngularJS had a wrong tag
or both
 
5:34 AM
@EJoshuaS Well, the text does say "'t know if there is possible to make it using javascript", so maybe the tag edit is correct?
 
@JimGarrison Yes, but the body's incorrect (not the tags), or at least the OP needs to clarify what their actual requirement is. log4j is a Java library, so I assume that they're asking about Java - the question's really unclear though.
 
@EJoshuaS I see what you mean; the question's on hold already so it's moot anyway
 
@JimGarrison Yeah - the question's off-topic (and really unclear).
 
@MikeM, about the last cv-pls. How to handle the edit. It doesn't really improve the question. However it is a kind of edits that can be recurrent (in case it is rejected this time)?
 
5:55 AM
@Vega Do you mean the app store policy one? I'd say just reject. I would hope that the users in the reopen queue are smart enough to leave it closed, should someone edit it again. It'll probably be gone soon, anyway. I'll keep an eye on it. Thanks for pointing that out, btw.
 
@MikeM. Done:)
 
6:28 AM
A question for the group members: A high rep user posted a very basic question and then self-answered it. In the answer, he did not give any details, but a link to his blog. Shouldnt' this be reported spam ? I reported it; but Mod declined it. Link to the answer is: stackoverflow.com/a/57684937/2469308
 
7:12 AM
@MadhurBhaiya no not spam, you need to presume good faith (specially from a user that have spent time on SO), if they continue to post links to blog it can be considered excessive self promotion, custom mod flag. As for the question and answer natural normal rules apply. If bad dv, if not ontopic close (the answer is not link only so don't flag that either), just vote on it
They also say in answer that it is own blog, hence affiliation is disclosed
 
7:37 AM
How was it possibile for user to leave a comment? stackoverflow.com/questions/56820078/…, they have 1 rep and I don't see it converted by mod... baah.
it's highly in likely they had rep change.. because I saw it 5 min. after posted..
 
@PetterFriberg There's nothing in their profile; why can't it have been converted by a mod? The posted the exact same link as answer again
 
@Adriaan The deleted answer would be on post.
and the comment was just 5 min. old...
 
@PetterFriberg always? Didn't know that.
 
@Adriaan Yeah the NAA gets deleted with a a notice "Converted to comment"
:), that's interesting, first time I see that
That does not seem like a good method...
 
@Makyen is the roomba forcaster broken for this post? It's been saying for weeks now that it roombas tonight
 
8:00 AM
It hasn't been active for 7 years. Why dig it up now?
 
@Dharman closed only last week
 
 
Hi, can you take a look to this post? https://stackoverflow.com/questions/57705962/how-to-center-an-absolute-icon-in-a-div
Do you think it deserve be marked as duplicated and downvoted?
I dont know how to deal with that
 
@SilverSurfer Did the duplicate solve your problem?
 
It didnt
 
not a CSS-guru, but it's been tripled-duped by a gold user, I'd trust their judgement - don't take downvotes and stuff personally, see it as a learning curve :)
 
@SilverSurfer Then edit it and explain why
be sure to study the duplicates well so you address all issues
 
8:32 AM
I already studied that solutions and none of them seems to work for me. Maybe I could be wrong, but how can a gold user know in just a few seconds these answers will solve my problem. It supposed if I post a question its because I couldn´t find a solution on google/stackoverflow.
Maybe Im wrong...
 
Interesting; when trying to award a bounty the award-button is present on deleted answers. I'm not willing to experiment with the current post, but can you actually award a bounty to a deleted answer?
@SilverSurfer because a gold user has >400 posts and >1000 points in the tag, i.e. experience. You can @<username> ping them to ask why this would solve the problem. Also please edit your question explaining why none of the three proposed duplicates helped, that might convince people to vote to reopen
 
@Adriaan Have a look at this MSE post (you can't and if you tried, you'd get a message telling you that).
 
@JeanneDark thanks!
 
9:19 AM
Ploppity plop folks
 
@PaulStenne thonk
 
10:00 AM
 
@Dharman "tagging a question" is something wholly different than what you mean here. I presume you meant "comment this on the question", but they can't do that either due to their low rep (see my comment)
 
I meant that the information about Zend framework and oci8 was not part of the question. We have tags for it. I should not be asking in comments about the framework OP is using
 
@Dharman ah, that wasn't clear to me. Better would be to suggest them to add the Zend-tag to the question to prevent confusion
 
10:29 AM
@PaulStenne plop! Long time no see... how you doing?
 
I have been reviewing late answers. Two answers seemed the same, so I checked the user and they have written almost identical answers on three questions. Their profile shows no other questions or answers. The three questions are probably duplicates and each has several good answers. Any recommendations on how to proceed?
 
@AdrianHHH raise a mod flag, explaining the copy-paste. Dupe vote the questions. We can help with that as those questions should all be active now due to those answers
 
Thanks @rene, mod flag raised.
I chose the highest voted question as the dupe target.
 
those are now closed ...
 
11:21 AM
 
@JonClements Hello puppy! Indeed, it's been a while. I've been working a lot and had to take some time off of everything else ^-^ What about you?
 
@PaulStenne oh, ya know, SSDD, you're doing well and happy though?
 
11:49 AM
@JonClements Doing lots better these days! Working 120 hours a week for 2 weeks+ was a bit much for me. All fine and good now =)
 
12:09 PM
@PaulStenne man, that's more work in a week than I sometimes do in a month
 
@PaulStenne Sincerely glad to hear things are better... just keep making sure you're okay and able to pop by and say "hi" more often :)
 
@JonClements a spearrel? saying "hi" rather that "plop"? Highly unlikely
 
'fternoon
 
@Adriaan oh good point
@Adriaan probably not even allowed to throw him around the room now :(
 
12:23 PM
throws @PaulStenne kyll to @Jonc
 
@JonClements least we have a repeat of the central park incident. (still too soon?)
 
@Nkosi shush shush... he's still pretending to be human...
 
1:07 PM
@Adriaan I'm not seeing why the post wasn't deleted at the end of July. Maybe a reopen vote? But, then I'd expect to see a reopen review, but there isn't one. Evey once in a while, I come across a post that appears to just be "stuck" and isn't deleted. Some of them become unstuck just by viewing them, others require more. If it has gone on long enough Roomba Forecaster will just assume that there's some unknown reason the system isn't deleting the post and will report that it won't be deleted.
 
Noticed that timeline user script has stopped working. Do we have any alternatives in the user scripts repository?
 
Is mod tools privileg required to see roomba estimation or "no roomba" for posts?
 
@Selaron No. Most of us use a userscript for that, although you could apply the rules by hand
 
@Nkosi Yeah we cloned it SOBotics repo github.com/SOBotics/Userscripts
 
1:15 PM
@Adriaan so a userscript would tell me if and when a closed question is going to be auto-deleted?
 
it probably needs to still be fixed (update url etc), but I'm no j-script guy so for now just a clone of Tuna's old script and fixed the brooken thingz
 
@PetterFriberg TY. figured it was a site update breaking change
 
@Selaron ja
 
Right. timeline link back up. cool
 
1:18 PM
danke
 
to Makyen...
 
1:30 PM
@PetterFriberg Looks like that clone has a bug. If a post is updated and you click on the update div it show a dialog.
 
well if you can fix it :D, I guess the original one had same bug... make a PR...
 
feature
 
@JonClements I will be plopping by and saying garlic more often indeed =D
@Adriaan You're a PHD, don't you work 100 hours a year?
 
shots fired
 
1:38 PM
@PaulStenne I'm a PhD candidate, haven't gotten my title yet ;)
 
@PaulStenne Be careful. Elephants are scared of mice, not spearrels.
 
Are we discussing "work"?
 
@Adriaan So 200 hours a year until you graduate?
 
@Machavity exactly!
 
Plop italics peeps
 
2:19 PM
@AmitJoshi good lord PHI right there in the main post. I've flagged for mod redaction
 
2:36 PM
@TylerH I am sorry I did not understood this. Which question you are talking about and what was my vote on it?
 
@AmitJoshi it was an HL7 question you posted a cv-pls for. You can click the little grey arrow to the left of the message to be taken directly to where it is in the chat transcript (even after it's been moved to another room)
 
@TylerH Many questions in medical tag (HL7, DICOM) contain such information in question body in form of dump. Should I flag those questions for moderator attention (in future) to remove that information permanently? What steps you recommend on such questions? Is this documented somewhere so that I can have a look for in-depth understanding?
 
@AmitJoshi Yes, if you see any questions that include PHI then please flag them for moderator attention -- moderators can permanently redact posts to hide any necessary info, even from the revision history
Posting PHI (names, medical record numbers, phone numbers, emails, date of birth, social security numbers, etc) is a violation of US and EU law (and I'm sure elsewhere, too)
 
doubly so if it's medical records - gosh if that is genuine patient data it would be illegal to post in most countries ^ ninjad
 
2:47 PM
PHI?
 
@Adriaan Personal Health Information
basically healthcare-related PII (Personally Identifiable Information)
 
@Adriaan Protected Health Information
@TylerH Thanks, I will follow in future.
 
:47170558 docs.microsoft is still considered spam? Good, good.
 
@Adriaan Unlikely, given the platform Stack Exchange runs on :)
 
is asking if a old-question is a dupe on-topic here? I know I can't but just general querying?
 
3:01 PM
@treyBake General querying is fine
 
woot! starts opening a can of worms
 
@Adriaan Can you have peace of code when you tanks in advance?
 
Of course if folks started "generally querying" about every post they found we might think it suspicious, but you don't do that, so carry on :)
 
would you say this is a dupe of this? I feel like it more or less answers the why aspect of the question..
and yeah, nah I won't overspam this privilege :p
 
3:17 PM
heh :) tanks in a dance
 
Ron
o/
 
\o
 
Ron
@Nkosi Long time no see. How have you been doing?
 
3:32 PM
@Ron been pretty busy. Other that that, I'm fine. Taking it a day at a time.
You've been MIA for a while.
 
Ron
I have.
I've been inside the 9 to 5 bubble. Still am. But that is likely to change soon.
 
@treyBake Yes
 
ty ma man :) had a hunch, but wasn't 100%
 
3:53 PM
Am I going mad (don't answer that), or is the post they are blacklisted for by a different user name? (I can't see the post as it's been deleted)
 
@StephenKennedy The answer linked in the comment under the one by BitMEX Support (linked above) is indeed by a different user account
 
@StephenKennedy Same user. this is the account from the blacklisted answer
 
Flagging the reported post above as plagiarism of the linked ans
 
@StephenKennedy Click the MS link, then click the user for all the SD posts. They just renamed
 
Yeah, I see. Thanks.
 
4:04 PM
In case anyone was wondering, the blog title of the recent apollo post is just clickbait - nothing to do with the Apollo space program
 
@TylerH So the offer is shun?
 
Hm?
 
@TylerH I guess I was too vague. I figured they might be talking about Apollo, the sun
 
4:32 PM
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Q: Are [dynamic-web-controls] that helpful? (seeking expertise of C#/ASP.NET developers)

YakovLdynamic-web-controls had just 14 questions, in half of them the tag wasn't helpful at all, so I edited those to remove/substitute the tag; other 7 are related to C#/ASP.NET and the most recent one is back from 2015. The tag has no description, no usage guidance, so I wonder, should it be burninat...

 
dbc
5:29 PM
Is this really "not reproducible"? Items set to Visible=false are being shown when tabbing inside TabControl. OP is creating a Windows Forms app and can reproduce their bug by adding a subclassed tab control with two tabs and a button on the first tab without every writing any code behind. Should OP post their .Designer.cs file?
(Real problem is that there are no questions on stackoverflow about github.com/N-a-r-w-i-n/MetroSet-UI and so OP is unlikely to get an answer.)
 
FYI: @double-beep @EJoshuaS you voted to close ^
 
Remind me not to comment at all. :(
 
5:48 PM
6K user posts link to code... sigh
 
6:03 PM
@dbc voted to re-open
 
@dbc seems ok to me also, it's open
 
@E_net4 patience, sometimes kids are...
 
6:23 PM
How do I find posts I've starred? :|
 
dbc
@PetterFriberg Thanks. The original version of the question really was unclear but I though I had worked enough with the OP to clear things up.
 
@Compass click show all in the star board, then stared by me above the results
 
star.... board?
 
Oh, you're talking about questions. Go here
 
yaaaaay
 
6:25 PM
\o/
 
@dbc let's hope it gets a good answer
 
@Compass It means "right side" in boating
 
@Machavity Fun coincidence, it's also the right side of the chat window.
 
Oh yeah, that too ;)
 
Another fun coincidence, the USB ports on my monitor are on the port side (left) :)
 
6:37 PM
rimshot
 
7:00 PM
@PaulStenne o/ Paul I hope that was for me, I'm less active (on/off) but still scanning transcript :). I hope all is top!
 
Aaaaand a way belated and long overdue "Good morning all, happy Friday" ;) /o
 
I had a rather busy and stressful four weeks, and one more week to go. Then it's 2 weeks of leisure, and then a new job =D
 
@tink wait, it's Thursday!
 
@tink Congrats?
 
7:07 PM
@NathanOliver My new work laptop doesn't have an RJ45 port, I just discovered
 
Nuh :) ... Friday morning, 7:08 as I type ;)
 
We have to use a dock for wired connections -_-
 
And thanks @NathanOliver - I think so.
 
@tink Tink's from the future!
 
Heh. Kind of. New Zealand ;)
 
7:09 PM
@TylerH What do you need an RJ45 port for? Isn't everything wireless or USB these days?
 
PoE man, PoE ;D
 
PoE laptop? That would be kind of cool. I wonder if you could keep it charged, or if it would be a slow death
 
Heh ... if it's RB Pi based it would work :D
 
@NathanOliver It's nice to have a wired connection
 
@NathanOliver I had to hard wire into the WiFi setup here at work. Having a laptop to sit in the server room was handy
 
7:22 PM
@NathanOliver Well, you can get up to 100W (71W delivered), so... it depends on what you're doing. At a minimum, it would mean that you'd get some additional run-time.
 
lol, I told my boss "man, so much for these being fancy; no rj45, no numpads..." and he responded "yeah, but you can touch the screen..."
 
LOL
 
sigh
 
7:39 PM
@Nkosi done
 
@NathanOliver tyk
 
8:18 PM
too late for fancy T-shirts.
 
Mod deleted my spam!!! I'm going to meta to complain.
 
FFGITWed you. I could have flagged this as spam instead, so you wouldn't have known it was me. But I prefer leaving some personal signature 😀
 
I can't hear you over all of the complaining I'm doing ;)
:p
 
I can't hear you since I've stopped visiting meta since ... I don't understand the whole point of things there now.
@NathanOliver there will be others...
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre you and me both. I'm glad this room is here otherwise I think I would have stopped moderating already.
 
8:27 PM
Yeah... Where are the cool questions like "Can you microwave your StackOverflow mug ?" ? meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/382405/…. My favourite so far.
 
Unfortunately I can't test that with my own mug as SO has suspended the swag program :(
 
Ah, tell me about it. I didn't get my swag for 100k or for moderator... I have to drink coffee out of my bare hands.
 
You don't use the carafe?
 
lol no we have vending machines.
 
ouch
 
8:33 PM
it's cheap, and ground coffee. Sometimes organic. Can't complain (except for the extreme pain in the hands when pouring)
 
@NathanOliver I've waited till you flag this time 😀 (for the astrology/astronomy/WTF thing)
 
@NathanOliver will you do the honors ? stackoverflow.com/a/57716159/6451573
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre done
 
8:40 PM
and gone
 
The one thing mods can't do, spam flag and manually delete
 
yes. Flagging auto deletes. And applies -100 rep penalty, while deleting doesn't.
Lots of things mods can't do, that said.
- unaccepting bozo answers
- undeleting comments if not deleted by a moderator
- knowing who voted for who in detail
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Really? That's interesting
 
but it's still cool. You should be a candidate next time.
You don't have to visit meta anyway. Baum was elected and he had 2 meta posts, those were the candidate answers to questions :)
@NathanOliver this was actually spam: stackoverflow.com/a/57717057/6451573 (I declined it, but it was spam...)
 
I'm not sure if I want to be a mod anymore. I'm not liking the whole site dynamics right now. Once SO finally gives us an actual answer to what should this site be and how should it function then I'll decide what I want to do. I joined because I liked that they gave moderation powers to regular users and had pretty high quality. That seems to be slipping and I'm not sure if it is going to stay the site I joined in the first place.
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I don't really want to be a mentor and I'm not going to answer peoples homework problems. Learning is supposed to be hard and asking for help should be the last thing people do, not the first.
 
8:55 PM
I've also stopped answering homework problems. Leave that to people with 100 rep.
 
You know you can be a mod and not break everyone's balls. Look at me 😀
 
True to all that @NathanOliver. However, I think the problem of people asking for help first has always been an issue, even BSO (Before Stack Overflow). Stack Overflow can't solve that problem on its own (or indeed that there are people who out of a sense of misguided kindness will do all manner of free work and help people cheat on their homework).
 
you also can't learn a technology from scratch just by asking questions...
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre True, I'm just not sure if I'll even stay. I don't want to become a mod and then 6 to 8 weeks later decide the new direction is not for me and abandon ship.
 
8:57 PM
You'd still have binding votes 😀
 
If enough people quit Stack Overflow and the whole pile collapses, people will ask questions on Reddit and Quora, and it'll be much worse.
 
@halfer I know, it just grates when you see questions where if you google the title, the answer is one of the first few links.
 
@halfer Depends on your POV
 
people want a personalized answer. They don't want to change the variable names.
I hate "I have the same issue" NAAs more than bad questions.
 
Yep. But then some people thought it was good to vote for Boris Johnson (insert your arch-nemesis politician in here). There is just no hope for some people, and real-world solutions have to cope with the fact that some people are mystifying (and stuck that way).
@rene Ha! Yeah. From the POV of "collating a high quality set of programming Q&A".
 
9:01 PM
I never read that on reddit ...
or Quora for that matter
 
@NathanOliver I will risk sounding old here, but I wonder if there is a new (millenial?) cultural phenomenon where the internet has always been a thing, and society has always felt flooded with too much information. Back in my day (!) I had a book or two, and they had indexes, and you had to look stuff up. Now in a social media world, people are good at talking, bad at searching, and apparently bad at effort in general.
Hence Jean's observation above that changing some var names is too much effort (as is finding that near-dup in the first place).
 
I think it is an instant gratification problem. People are getting so used to having whatever they want whenever they want it that why spend lots of time doing research and trying to figure it out when you can ask a question and get a hand tailored answer pretty quick
 
^ that right there
 
@NathanOliver Yes, definitely. But I would not blame Stack Overflow Inc. for that. Just the membership!
 
I blame the Daleks
 
9:05 PM
The answer again, is that people are idiots^Wnot thinking.
 
No, I'm not blaming SO for the problem, that's out of their hands. What I do blame them for is not giving us the tools to deal with it or just come out and say suck it up, this is what keeps us employed.
 
What are we ranting about? What have I missed?
 
SO
 
If they want to become a help site that's fine. Lord knowd people need it. That's just not exactly what I signed up for.
@Dharman TL;DR: SO
^ a whole chat message without a single word besides the auto filled in user name \o/
Ranting aside, in 50 minutes I start a 4 day weekend \o/. It'll be nice to unwind.
 
@NathanOliver Yeah, I hear you. I do have some sympathy with the employees though - perhaps because I'm a "wantrepreneur" and fancy owning my own software property one day. Building a good culture is incredibly hard, and part of the Welcoming project is probably more about keeping the site fed with new programmers. The core "shouty userbase" (Meta) is very small in numbers terms.
@NathanOliver I'm WFH tomorrow, which is nearly the same thing ;-)
 
9:10 PM
:)
 
Right, it is time for a whisky and a Studio Ghibli movie
Night all \o
 
o/
halfer is going to be spirited away
 
I don't see what all the fuss is about with 50 rep. I created a new account and easily got >50 rep
 
@Dharman It's easier if you know things
 
What was more problematic was to come up with a new gmail account which wasn't taken already.
 
9:23 PM
It depends on the tag too. Some tags have lots of upvoters. Some do not
@Dharman dharmansockpuppet@gmail.com
 
All you need to do is edit 25 post to get 50 rep. I understand for non English speakers this may be hard, but it is a good way to practice your English skills.
 
I am agree (typical french error for "je suis d'accord")
 
1 jQuery answer +33
 
+33: 2 votes+accept + downvote?
 
yeap, so far. still better than I expected
 
9:27 PM
or 33 votes ?
If you create a new account and post a correct/average good answer, I think people will more easily vote for you because you have 1 rep and they want to encourage new contributors.
Then ask for merging with your old account to get the rep :)
 
You can add that to the Meta post re: abuse :D
abusing hospitality
 
 
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