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Morning \o
 
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6:58 AM
 
7:26 AM
@mickmackusa as you can see, I close voted here as well. The edit I made was just to remove the horrible misuse of formatting which was a pain to my eyes, and if I did it, as a closer, at least the edit would not push it into the queue.
 
7:56 AM
@Steve that's a nuke-pls
 
in theory yes.
 
8:25 AM
call me crazy, but the serif font in the time machine is actually an improvement
(the Comic Sans certainly offsets it, for a net negative)
 
8:37 AM
comments look like they are upvoted, I genuinely thought I had seen a comment and already upvoted it, and then forgot
 
@tripleee the 90's were so much better ...
 
@rene they ........ we're!!!!!!! .....!!!
 
true
 
@Lankymart now "improved" into a request for an off-site resource
 
@Makyen I was admiring the SOCVR Auto Comments facility. I have looked at several related pages and cannot see whether it is supported by TamperMonkey on Firefox. I use TM for some of the other wonderful scripts you have produced. What would be your recommended approach?
 
@AdrianHHH Yes, it works with TM on Firefox. The main compatibility issues you will experience with userscripts are if you are using Greasemonkey 4 on Firefox. To a large extent, most userscripts will be compatible using Tampermonkey or Violentmonkey on any browser which those userscript managers support.
 
Thank you. I will try again to install it.
 
10:00 AM
Was this reported answer mod-nuked?
 
@MichaelDodd yes
 
@MichaelDodd Yup
 
@SamuelLiew @MadaraUchiha Cheers
 
10:21 AM
 
10:32 AM
@Makyen I have it working now. Thanks for your help.
 
@AdrianHHH Great. I'm glad to hear it. I'm happy to help anytime.
 
In general is it considered OK to ask somebody else here to add a tag to a question? Or is that not OK?
 
@sideshowbarker What's to stop you adding a tag yourself?
 
^
 
Zoe
@sideshowbarker You can obviously. But if you can do it yourself, you should.
 
10:43 AM
What stops me is the case where the issue is a duplicate
e.g., I have a gold badge for 'cors' and I sometimes encounter issues that should have been tagged with 'cors' but weren’t, but that are duplicates
but if I add the 'cors' tag myself, the system won’t let me dupe-hammer it, right?
 
Zoe
So don't hammer it?
/shrug
 
Oh, that's a bit dubious, sneaking in the tag and then hammering them for it
 
yeah that’s why I asked
 
Cast a normal dupe vote then edit the tag if you feel it's a relevant tag
 
10:45 AM
Agree with @ErikA, CV first then add the tag
 
concur; frustrating as it may be, working around the "tag changer cannot hammer" block is not accepted
but posting a cv-pls here is fine, of course
 
@sideshowbarker that is not allowed under our current rules socvr.org/faq#GEfM-no-retag-so-can-hammer
 
hammer all teh thingz
except kids and flowerz
 
@rene ah, OK. I didn’t remember reading it in FAQ so I guess I really should re-read it
 
10:51 AM
yeah, I give you we have plenty of rulez ...
 
> Do not request to re-tag a post so you can use your dupe-hammer.
 
yet you didnt ask for retag since you could do it
so np
 
@tripleee Cheers.
 
11:10 AM
afternoon o/
 
noon \o
 
o/
 
@double-beep gratz on reaching 3k btw
 
thanks
 
@rene Maybe worth unpinning the april fools message now that the world is out of 01/04 and the event has finished :)
 
11:19 AM
phew...now I can finally start back believing all the other false articles on the interwebs.
 
11:32 AM
 
Woah and upvotes are getting flooded. Seems like a sockpuppet attempt?
 
11:57 AM
 
@MichaelDodd if it wasn't reported, I'd report it from CHQ. The reason it wasn't reported in SOCVR and SOBotics is that the reason it was caught was experimental. That means that in the past it got too many FPs. See these reasons here. SD report in CHQ
 
@double-beep Right, wasn't sure if it had been reported in the first place
 
misclick xD
 
12:22 PM
Does this question look MCVE?
 
Morning
 
@NathanOliver I'm very disappointed to hear you'd never had crumpets before yesterday
 
so... when flagging a comment which contains 'thanks' as NLN it automatically gets removed?
 
o/
 
12:25 PM
@double-beep there are some restrictions, if that's all it says then yes, but if there's a possibility of there being more info then it wont (afaik)
 
@double-beep Yep. Shog9 has some sort of regex there that will remove the "mostly thanks" comments upon first flag
 
@NickA Well, they are not really a available in the US Midwest
 
My wife likes Lion bars but they're hard to find
 
Lions are pretty rare these days. It's understandable
 
@Machavity I still find it strange how things i see literally every day are uncommon in other places, but then I guess it's the same the other way round
 
12:27 PM
what an odd message to see when first logging in :) is your wife British @Machavity?
 
I'm at work and there is literally a lion bar within 5m of me, in a box on the table, I can sense it
 
@Machavity neither of the problematic packages seem to be well-defined so I'm sort of leaning towards closing as unclear
 
@StephenKennedy Not at all. We have a store here called World Market that is one part decorations and one part international foods. You can find all sorts of exotic foods not sold normally in the States
We ran across Lion perusing their candy. They sell various other things, like McVitties, Aero, Yorkie (openly sexist slogan for a British candy bar) etc
 
I never thought I'd live to see the day when a Lion Bar was described as an "exotic food" :D - although tbf I was reading that baked beans first came to the UK as "exotic foods" too
 
@StephenKennedy What's weird is we have Nestle products here. I guess they just don't want to market them
They import the Lion bars from the UK and then they have to relabel them for the US market
 
12:41 PM
They put a sticker with the new name on them?
 
@rene Close. They put a sticker on them with the nutritional stuff. Dang Brits and their crazy Metric system. I'm sure it's just a fad
 
@Machavity In the UK we have "The American Candy Shop" which has things like lucky charms and marshmallow fluff
although lucky charms you get in some supermarkets as well now
@Machavity And we have to do that with your imports as well! ^^
 
Lucky Charms are probably not sold in Ireland, tho. "Ya call that a real leprechaun?"
@NickA Wait, marshmallows aren't normal in Europe?
 
@Machavity As if we would ever be that sensible. We're a half way house between metric and imperial. We buy our milk by the litre and our beer by the pint; we calculate fuel consumption as miles per gallon but buy petrol (gas) by the litre, and our speed limits and road signs are in miles not kilometres!
 
@Machavity Marshmallows are, but not the jars of fluff
@StephenKennedy and we measure height in feet and inches and weight in st and lb
but only when talking about people
 
12:50 PM
satnavs are a nightmare - I need distances in metres and speed in miles per hour but there's no option for that
 
@NickA Interesting. If you like peanut butter, try mixing it with that. It's delicious
 
I do like peanut butter, but honestly I've never tried fluff, seems a bit sickly
 
@StephenKennedy milk in 'litre' , sure, 2.59L packages :P
 
@Adriaan hehe fair point
 
I thought it was 2.27L...
 
12:51 PM
@StephenKennedy Well, it would sound silly to hear Brits going around saying "Let me buy you a half liter, mate"
 
@NickA possible; I can only buy 1 and 1.5L here anyway (not even 2L, which makes me carry lots of cartons home)
 
@Machavity lol, true
 
@Machavity Of course, they'd buy half a litre in that case
 
We also say pound of sugar/pound of butter but mean 500g lol
 
@StephenKennedy At least the Irish made the change to metric road distances a few years back, to the extent where they still have "km/h" on their speed limit signs
 
12:53 PM
@NickA horrible, they do that in NL as well
 
We got close in the US. We had km markers along with miles. And I've noted I can set in most cars now kph or mpm
 
@Machavity Aren't your km marker signs usually close to the Canadian border?
 
@Machavity I guess that became easier with all the software installed in cars (to decrease emission reports), so you no longer need to switch out your analog speedometer
 
@MichaelDodd They're largely gone now, yes. Congress decided the whole thing was silly
 
Incidentally, there is one exception to transport speed limits in the UK. Everything uses mph except for... trams
Trams use km/h over here ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
12:57 PM
what's the speed limit for a tram?
 
@StephenKennedy Depends what's in the diamond sign, but upper limit is typically 70 km/h on segregated, pedestrian-free sections
 
@StephenKennedy Dont think there's a country wide one, but they have different speed limits depending on zone, like regular speed limit signs for cars
 
Well, the UK does have the Chunnel train. My bet is the trains were built for Euro use as well and just imported
 
Well, we'll just close the tunnel in 9 days
 
The company owning the channel tunnel is france based as well... and works in euros... so we may lose it
 
1:01 PM
It'll be like that episode of Thomas The Tank Engine where the Fat Controller bricks up the tunnel
 
Brexit: verb, to state you are leaving without making any serious attempt to leave
 
Or that episode where Thomas fixed Brexit and Sir Topham Hat cheered
 
I hear Bob the builder is good at fixing things
 
You could use Dora to explore the new market places
 
Well, Bob is well armed with a hammer. You can get people to stop bickering with you if you threaten to hit them with one
 
the debate in parliament yesterday was fairly impressive once the filibustering was over - looked like consensus could be found for Common Market 2.0 and a confirmatory vote - then ofc the noname troops who hadn't spoken came in to vote and it was no no no and no
 
I didn't watch it, I'm just sick of hearing about it
 
aren't we all?
pretty soon the EU will just tell us to sod off I suppose and that will be that.
 
In other news: 0 days, 2 hours, 52 minutes until the Visual Studio 2019 launch
 
even less interesting than Brexit
 
1:08 PM
@NathanOliver Does it have hats?
 
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
I'm using the release candidate already. it's nice, but seems like an incremental change only, and C#8 and .NET Core 3 won't ship with it
 
I'm hoping they've added C++20 support.
 
@StephenKennedy No! Brexit is my favorite political comedrama!
I'll be sad if it's over, but I'll probably have years of viewing pleasure still. The contract is only till may, but I hear the cast has nothing better to do. They might swap out that May character but she was getting a bit boring anyway
 
@ErikA I was thinking Peter Capaldi might take over from that Corbyn fellow
 
1:14 PM
@NickA Blimey, that'd push it back past the watershed then
I would love to discuss the wonder that is Malcom Tucker, but sadly I'd probably find myself getting a ban for bad language within seconds
 
@NathanOliver Wouldn't that be Visual Studio 2020, tho?
 
Zoe
@Machavity Nah, 2024
 
@MichaelDodd ah, now that was telly worth watching!
 
@Adriaan Unfortunately now outdone by real life events!
 
@ErikA I appreciate the Python team joining up with Armando Ionnuci to pen this epic, but I'm sorry, they jumped the shark with this latest season. Government in contempt? Biggest loss in parliamentary history? Govt survives and comes back for more? I prefer realism in my political comedy
7
 
1:23 PM
@StephenKennedy And them not even taking the effort of doing different votes by the PM; just get the same scene over and over again, voting on the same deal. It's almost like they ran out of budget to do proper, different shoots
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Zoe
@StephenKennedy Comedy? At this point I really thought it was a drama!
 
1:43 PM
@StephenKennedy diplomacy at its finest.
 
@ErikA I like how Corbyn tried to say they've repeatedly rejected a 'no deal' out come "just like they rejected remaining". Not sure when having 4 votes on something is the same as having 1 vote...
except when you're a moderator on SO, then I guess it's 1 vote being the same as five votes...
 
:45819988 how typical; JavaScript question with no JQuery tag gets a JQuery answer
 
@Adriaan You should freehand red circle their mistake
 
2:15 PM
Smokey just restarted?
 
^ or Too Broad
 
3:11 PM
Is there an approved term for when someone who should know better answers a low-quality question (since the old word for that is now banned)?
 
@EJoshuaS Dunno about approved, but I have a few terms
 
@EJoshuaS how about user?
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Zoe
@EJoshuaS "non-meta user/reader"?
 
3:37 PM
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ciao
 
Zoe
3:42 PM
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RUINED IT
Looking at you too John
 
I'm sorry ...
o/ .. did I .. Did I do the thing?
 
You should be kicked out!
One of the room rules is this: don't ruin \os and o/s
 
3:50 PM
^ security team, escort treyBake from the premises
 
kicking and screaming I promise it won't happen again voice dwindling
 
Dom, get on to recruitment. Get them to look for a security team that can work as a team. They may have to escort the current security team from the building for not acting like a team.
 
right? they didn't even viciously beat him
> Comment: Removed the juvenile 'Haha'
 
@EJoshuaS only mods can reject
 
It's juvenile to... laugh?
 
3:53 PM
that's only because their roll didn't beat my AC - but props to them, they did manage to slap me before leaving me in a dumpster
 
@SterlingArcher Haha
 
@double-beep Reject pending edits? Why?
 
@treyBake it's unbelievably funny to me to witness (and have experienced) a "drive by" slapping
My brother broke into my bedroom a few years back when we lived together, slapped me, tried to run, tripped and hit the wall. I cried
 
@SterlingArcher I both fear and envy you more than before. That's going on the bucket list xD
hahahahaha xD see. this is why we need cameras in our eyes 24/7
 
@EJoshuaS is this edit pending? Did you misclick something?
 
3:55 PM
The funny part? He's my older brother, and he was like 27 at the time
 
@double-beep quite possibly
I meant to link to the review on this question.
 
makes more sense
 
4:32 PM
Somewhere, @NathanOliver is giddy
 
@double-beep congratulations on making 3k! I am glad you are here.
 
@Machavity Yes he is. He is even downloading it right now :)
 
Nathan++
 
Obuibo?
 
4:50 PM
It's.. So.. Pretty..
 
5:36 PM
I began playing pokemon go again
 
RC 4 to RTM update is 262MB so this shouldn't take long...
 
6:00 PM
It shouldn't if you have gigabit internet like I do :P
 
I have 4G but my latest gen Samsung NVMe drive will compensate :P
 
my preview version of VS 2019 has turned into a trial of Enterprise edition which lasts until June - which is nice :)
 
@SterlingArcher Figures. I can picture you yelling "I choose you, ECMA6!" and throwing your phone at the wall
 
6:04 PM
Well, that's better than throwing bricks at traffic trying to catch an evolved lawsuit
 
In real life, lawsuit catches you
 
not if I wear a fake mustache over my real mustache
 
[Issues fixed in Visual Studio 2019 RC](https://docs.microsoft.com/en-gb/visualstudio/releases/2019/release-notes#--issues-fixed-in-visual-studio-2019-rc)
most recently updated on April 26, 2019
time flies as you get older, I could have sworn it was April 1 only yesterday
 
Sigh, even with time travel, they still haven't fixed a trivial bug that breaks my builds.
 
@CodyGray I really think you should give them a few weeks after the report before complaining... oh, wait
 
6:17 PM
6 to 8 weeks ...
 
^ indeed. but the report was made June last year :/
 
You add an annotation to a declaration in a header file that should have been there in the first place. How much time for "investigation" do you need?
 
Did you tweet about it?
Also: MFC is so 90's ...
 
I don't have a Twitter, dawg.
Also: web apps are so broken ...
 
lol
 
6:20 PM
and slow
 
Resharper EAP now recognises C# nullable reference types [enough to not complain about them] so I'm somewhat happy
 
@CodyGray That's because people keep using SO to write them. "How I make app do this?" gets 5 workable but terrible answers Tanks much!
 
Well well well, @CodyGray, we meet again
 
Did we ever un-meet? I forget...
 
Wasn't Sterling that guy who carelessly knocked off your glasses once?
 
6:26 PM
Everybody does that
The whole world looks like rene
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It's awful
 
looks like rene - you mean beautiful and vibrant?
 
Whatever you say
 
6:52 PM
@Machavity I wonder if LiveShare works with external connections...
It'd be great if you're helping someone on Stack Overflow and could just say "hop into my liveshare session" or something
 
yes it does
I used the preview to share with a colleague in a different continent
 
@TylerH How would that be "great"? We already get too many comments from people wanting to set up Skype calls and other sorts of private chats... :-(
 
@TylerH The live share is nice. I've used the "beta" version in 2017 and it works pretty well. You can click on who you want to follow and you'll follow right along. It also has the normal multiple person edit controls you are used to seeing like in the google suite.
 
@CodyGray I don't mean as a norm, just as a possibility
the SO case was just an example of two people not in the same organization
 
@CodyGray you answered in question.. hmm how do you edit and make a community wiki on that site...
Btw.. time to switch to java :) and spring
 
7:01 PM
You're complaining because I provided the fix in my bug report, @Petter? :-)
Oh, Java. Heavens no.
 
@PetterFriberg That's a strange way of spelling C# and .NET Core
 
C#... I do that.. but Visual Studio arrrrg...
 
@PetterFriberg Not trolling this time - what would be a 'better' IDE than Visual Studio?
 
That was a nice blue screen
 
Spring and JPA actually are great, really quick to make api
 
7:05 PM
VSCode
 
yeah no
 
Yeah code is great I use that for angular and love it... but Studio blargh
 
@rene Sounds very visual
 
@PetterFriberg If you go for Spring you go for Spring Boot
And Spring Boot seems to me like an oxymoron "We made too much configurable stuff, so now we made a framework that would configure the framework for you, so you can framework while you framework"
Also, Java sucks, and that's no lie.
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7:08 PM
@MadaraUchiha well you can deploy and test as boot, but I normally run muliple apps for different clients on tomcat (with only one ec2)
 
@MadaraUchiha no its great... you just have not got the feeling yet, I do both c# and java depends on what client wants... but when I can choose I go java, so I can avoid VS
 
@PetterFriberg I mean, don't get me wrong, I love working hard to appease the compiler, but that's a complete lie and I absolutely despise it.
 
@PetterFriberg Java in what IDE?
 
@StephenKennedy IntelliJ, probably
 
7:11 PM
I use old eclipse, yeah intellj is better.. but..
 
@MadaraUchiha Yeah, I'm just waiting to counter with "but Jetbrains Rider!" :)
 
@PetterFriberg Ah yes, I too love reimplementing Git in Java because its license does not fit mine
In no way is making a plugin with a different license a better choice.
 
@MadaraUchiha lol, I won't work if there is not a compiler, sonar to please ;)
 
@PetterFriberg The compiler is there to work for me
It's supposed to help me find mistakes
It is the software, and I am the human
The great 2050 revolution has not yet been upon us.
You wanna see an example of a compiler that works for you? Look at TypeScript's
 
I love it :), we finally started to make wep apps because of angular
 
7:16 PM
@PetterFriberg I don't much like Angular for other reasons, but TypeScript is solid.
 
Asp, php, JavaScript... to crappy.. better to do installed apps :)
@MadaraUchiha finally with some bootstrap it's a programmer task to do a nice PWA
 
@StephenKennedy I thought we got rid of JetBrains
 
@PetterFriberg The PWA and Service Worker specs are so complex and convoluted for no good reason...
 
I done ask, pho, xml-xls web apps.. a mess, jsf even greater mess.. angular or react with a solid api in spring or C# is another thing...
@MadaraUchiha why? Seems simple and straight forward to me.
 
@PetterFriberg Have you seen, for example, what you need to do for web push?
 
7:21 PM
Just code it in whitespace. Then you cant see how bad the code looks.
 
As in push notifications even after you close the page (eg. in mobile devices)
 
@MadaraUchiha no but I need to do it soon, troubles?
 
The client and the server agree on an encryption key.
The client requests a subscription endpoint from the aether (the browser)
The aether responds with a subscription endpoint (on the browser company's domain)
The client gives that subscription endpoint to the server.
The server hits that subscription endpoint with an encrypted message
The browser receives the notification and decrypts it using the key from step 1
Somewhere in the middle of that, the client also needs to register a Service Worker, and request permission from the user to show notifications
Updating an already running Service Worker is a ritual in and on itself.
We implemented this feature ~2 sprints ago
It's a feature we thought would take an hour to implement, it ended up taking two whole 1-week sprints.
(Admittedly, we gave it to one of the junior devs to implement because we thought it was an easy thing)
 
:) seems like sending a notification to alexa.. it took me a day to figure out all the api to call
 
I find it insane by the way that the specs tell me to just magically get an endpoint to a third party server which I am supposed to hit
The hell?
 
7:28 PM
@MadaraUchiha in angular that's 3 lines of code...
 
@PetterFriberg Angular has the same problems that all frameworks have in my opinion
It dictates your architecture, and I'm a firm believer that your architecture (for serious apps) must evolve alongside your application.
It's a burn I carry with me from my days as a PHP devs during the time of the great MVC awakening
I dislike frameworks and opinionated libraries.
 
^
 
@MadaraUchiha because you are Pro in js... but for us mortal the problems are features
 
@PetterFriberg Indeed. I don't need someone to tell me how to write code, I feel fairly confident in my decision making ability for most normal projects
I do acknowledge that there would be people out there that are either not confident enough or just don't want the hassle.
To that I usually respond with my favorite quote
> Weeks of coding can save you hours of planning
 
Angular, installing stuff as primeng let me do web apps really quick that are also easily to maintain so I don't complain (true I'm neither a jscript or css/sass pro, more like bootstrap work fine :)
 
7:34 PM
@PetterFriberg I'm excited for CSS to include nested selectors and scoping. it'll give me an excuse to learn it and then go through all the questions on SO and answer "you can do this in CSS now"
 
Today I searched some on css; I wanted to ask you :). I was trying to find if there exits a parent selector
 
keep me on the edge of my seat why don't ya
ah
well, the answer is, extremely frustratingly, "yes", but not in CSS
because it will be "slow"
 
On mobile so a mess... sorry I'm hitting random keys
 
@PetterFriberg No.
 
you can use :has() in JavaScript/for DOM traversal but you can't use it in CSS
there's also not a previous sibling selector
which would be less useful though still somewhat useful
 
7:39 PM
@TylerH yeah I found that.. but still needed a solution :) (hence rethink)
 
@PetterFriberg What are you trying to do?
 
@MadaraUchiha override some bootstrap stuff so it works better with primeng... my finally solution was using a :not selector and then duplicating the directive...
 
I'm considering getting back to Screeps
That's a nontrivial time commitment though 😃
 
searching google what the heck is that?
 
MMO sandbox game for programmers?
 
7:44 PM
It's an RTS game where you write the AI for your colony
You write code to spawn units and build buildings, as well as defend yourself from attacks and/or attack other colonies
 
"let's make a game where the players have to make the game" "What is this, Bethesda Softworks?" "no, Screeps!"
 
They have a pretty good tutorial that helps you grasp the main concepts
It's really fun, but it means taking the time to write a good script :D
 
Your colonists have all died because PHP ran out of memory. Would you like to start over in PERL?
 
@MadaraUchiha Ever play Human Resource Machine? You basically do assembly coding
 
7:49 PM
@NathanOliver No, but I played Shenzhen I/O
 
@MadaraUchiha sounds like the folks who spent wayyy too much time in Sim City back in the 90s and early aughts
 
@TylerH are they really doing this, I always tell to myself we need to use SASS, but I end up going bootstrap css or similar since I'm not good enough/lazy and then override some directives
 
@TylerH One of the best parts is predicting bugs in your opponents' script and exploiting them
For example, if you notice they always go for the closest unit, you make them chase it in circles while you hit them from behind, etc.
 
@MadaraUchiha yeah, the MMO/multiplayer part is the brilliance of it
true meritocratic environment
well, ignoring RL constraints
 
The nice thing is that assuming your code is written well, even if you get wiped, you can just start a new colony in a new place, and you don't need to do anything
 
7:53 PM
which is why I long for the kind of environment of Sword Art Online, ironically
 
Since the code to do everything from scratch should (theoretically) be already written
 
@MadaraUchiha Assuming you wrote it downsomewhere outside the game?
or does the game store your code somewhere for you to review after you die/lose
 
@TylerH The code is tied to your account, not to your colony
You can reset/respawn at any time and the code remains
 
@TylerH Season 3 has been pretty good. Better backstory than GGO
 
Does it automatically implement your code each time? nice
@Machavity Good! I watched the spin off ggo - sao alternative on Netflix and quite enjoyed it
I'm excited for a dubbed season 3 of SAO
 
7:54 PM
You also have branches in-game, and they provide an easy deployment API, so you can even do something like put the code on GitHub and use CI to deploy it on every push
 
@MadaraUchiha nice
but then ostensibly people can inspect your code
 
@TylerH You are expected to export a single function from the main module, that function is called on every tick
 
if they can find it
 
@TylerH Security through obscurity is no security at all :)
 
@MadaraUchiha That really should read "security only through obscurity"
obscurity on top of actual security layers is useful
 
7:55 PM
You have a special API for persistent memory between ticks, and your CPU is limited (bucket style)
Also, since it's JS, you can make use of any language that can compile or transpile to JS, I've seen people write their AIs with Haskell
 
@MadaraUchiha aha! A second use for Haskell!
 
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