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9:30 AM
@Makyen please delete this request
 
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@DenysSéguret This question isn't "no MCVE". A MCVE is only required for debugging questions (homework questions must show an attempt). Debugging questions are "why isn't my code working the way I want?" or "fix my code for me". No other question types require code. Thus, this question can't be "no MCVE". However, code often greatly helps to narrow and clarify a question (i.e. without code, questions are often, but not always, "Too Broad" or "Unclear").
 
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Thanks.
 
np. Anytime.
 
10:28 AM
@rene who is running this stackse.com ?, maybe we could use it to search for plag :)
it gives pretty nice result searching for comments stackse.com/?query=%2F%2F%20Branch%20-%20Sorted
 
Why does that last SD report look like a span seed
they provide an answer with undisclosed affiliation link and then quickly delete it.
 
makes sense
but now they are self deleting the answers. to what end. In hope of undeleting it later?
 
@Nkosi I'm not sure why they've posted and very quickly delete. That user did the same thing earlier with another answer on that question.
 
10:37 AM
@Makyen That is what raised the red flag for me to begin with
 
Zoe
@Nkosi maybe. I'm watching it though - if SD doesn't catch it, I will
 
This link (from an answer) is broken for me, but it may be because I am on a VPN. Would someone else try it? gotoandlearn.com/play.php?id=125
 
403 Forbidden
Request forbidden by administrative rules.
 
403 Forbidden
Request forbidden by administrative rules.
 
...
 
Zoe
10:42 AM
> 403 Forbidden
Request forbidden by administrative rules.
 
Thanks folks, I will remove it.
@SardarUsama If the issue is genuinely not reproducible without a large JSON file I am tempted to leave it be - it seems unfair to close it if an MCVE is not possible.
 
Zoe
Uh, it downloads a file that has extremely negative feedback on VT
 
(I don't know if it is not possible though - not familiar with Matlab).
 
@halfer the issue, according to the OP, is getting wrong datatypes. It should be reproducible by providing a smaller set of data.
 
@PetterFriberg I dunno. Not mine.
 
10:51 AM
@SardarUsama Fair enough, thanks. They deleted their question, it seems :-(
@Zoe Ooh, that doesn't sound good. I have zapped it!
 
@rene ahh.. thanks, I saw someone with similar username as you on the google group that's why I asked ;)
 
Zoe
@halfer The file itself is clean, but it's connected to several that aren't - it's definitely more than just a tutorial from the looks of it.
 
It is a How to get infected by a virus tutorial with live examples and hands-on experience ...
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@rene can you check if this post was caught by smokey? I know I can somehow but you're more capable in that than I :)
 
11:03 AM
okay... I figured not as the only person that spam flagged it wasn't a "regular" as it were. Curious though, as the question itself should have met some criteria, and the answer definitely should have met some...
 
@JonClements I've added that domain that is mentioned in the answer to the watch list of Smokey and Zoe approved that PR
 
ty :)
 
You can approve Smokey PRs @Zoe?
 
Zoe
derp xd
yes
 
and yet you're not even privileged in this room
 
Zoe
11:11 AM
@HovercraftFullOfEels self-deleted just now
 
um... is socvr.org down?
or is it just me?
 
Zoe
just you
 
Looks like just you
 
well
 
accessible here too
 
Zoe
11:14 AM
@StephenKennedy wrong side of the CHQ/SOBotics-SOCVR wall ;)
 
too many people use internet, now, here, so....
 
Zoe
have you considered eating the bandwidth more than the rest of them to get them off? :p
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if it'a available in Nepal, Norway c/o The North Pole, and Brexitville, I's say it's definitely up :)
did I sign in to SOBotics by mistake?
 
@Makyen what is the reason for having cv- del- reopen- undel- in SOBotics?
 
@double-beep I'm not really sure what you're asking about.
 
11:18 AM
I didn't even said it well :)
 
Zoe
@Makyen The search buttons (unhandled requests script that I can't remember the abbreviation of xd) are present in SOBotics
@StephenKennedy No, what you do is get as many devices as you can streaming HD anything, while browsing regularly. It'll kill internet performance if it's already slow, and some will likely do other stuff rather than being online. Doesn't always work, and depends on who you're dealing with, but still
 
@Makyen URRS: i.stack.imgur.com/bjMow.png. Why do these buttons exist in SOBotics? There are no cv-pls's, etc. there - they are not allowed.
 
@Zoe The mind of an evil genius at work. Love it! :)
 
Zoe
:D
 
@Zoe @double-beep They are there because the URRS hasn't, yet, been adapted to have the options allowing you to not show them apply on a per-room basis. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
 
Zoe
11:24 AM
@StephenKennedy It's not really evil, it's just taking advantage of the lack of a "have you tried turning it off and back on again" attitude :')
 
> “When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."
 
11:35 AM
@StephenKennedy I guess that is why he couldn't get put back together again.
 
12:27 PM
Heh, SmokeDetector has been programmed with snark :=]
 
12:47 PM
@Zoe [tag:] [appropriately-pls]
 
Zoe
whaa-...
I didn't add that
weird
 
@Machavity huh? received 3 upvotes in 11 hours!?
blatantly off-topic
 
@double-beep I call those "I'm having that problem too" upvotes
 
@Machavity Reviewed, then anxiously hit back button and refresh to see if you got the outcome you wanted :)
 
You got it. I wasn't trying to approve it but hit the mouse at an inconvenient time. Provoked this response
 
It's a national holiday in the UK today and Monday
I could have used that button a few weeks ago when I established that a review was an audit, and then failed it anyway :/
 
The US is more religious than the UK, but we don't get any holidays around Easter. Yet we do get Christmas...
 
I gather the typical American worker gets far less paid leave than we do, too
I get 30 days on top of national holidays, and usually a few bonus days during the Christmas period on top of that
 
1:49 PM
I dunno averages on that, but most jobs where you would know and use SO seem to come with some form of graduated paid leave. We also tend to get 6 or so major Fed holidays. Banks and schools get the minor ones too (Lincoln/Washington birthdays, MLK day, Columbus Day, etc)
 
2:08 PM
Facebook captioning fail. No guitarists were harmed or launched on this mission
 
@StephenKennedy that'd be an exceptional case... the usual leave for a full time job is "25" days... but sneakily that includes the "public holidays"...
@Stephen plus over stuff like - if you don't use your holiday - can you carry it over agreements?
 
@JonClements I know 30 is high, but 25 including public holidays seems low
 
@StephenKennedy think that's the min. legally required though
I know one company I worked for (for quite a long while), was quite generous whether you took holiday or not... it was completely at their discretion whether they carried over your leave or took pay in return for not having it... Think I was up to 80 days of allowed leave before moving on.
 
@JonClements That would suit me as I like to take long trips to distant places. I end up wasting a lot of leave currently.
 
2:23 PM
@JonClements here we get 25 days of PTO a year as well, and we have to use them for holidays if we want to take the holiday off, so sounds like the same deal
our company also only recognizes 5 holidays, new years day, 4th of july, labor day, thanksgiving day, and christmas day
 
@TylerH No Memorial Day?
 
@Machavity nope
 
Wow
 
yeah... I I think there's something like a company has to offer N many days but those include public holidays... so while it's 25 or something, there's going to be 6/7 days you can't choose.
 
@TylerH So does that mean you get 30 in total including the "recognised" holidays, or 25?
 
2:26 PM
@StephenKennedy 25
we earn PTO at a rate of 0.09 PTO hours per 1 hour worked
(not exactly 0.09)
so that after 2080 worked hours, we have accrued 200 hours of PTO
if we want to take a recognized holiday off, we still have to use PTO
if I want to work, I don't get overtime, because I'm salaried
but hourly workers get paid time and a half on those 5 days if they work them
 
@TylerH 20 years ago, the company I worked for was 25 days a year off (but - all those were all personal choices - so you got public holidays on top) plus a day for every year.
 
I get 15 days vacation (seniority) plus 6 "flex" days (3 every 6 months)
 
@JonClements the rate does improve to .115 for people who've been here 8 years, and again to .135 at 16 years
 
that's similar to mine then Jon except capped at 30+public
 
I've been at the company for 5 years and some change
 
2:29 PM
I'm a contractor, I get 0 days holiday :-(
 
@Machavity and a gold plated Rolls Royce as your company car, right?
 
@StephenKennedy Close
 
@halfer You must be a very highly in demand contractor then ;)
 
@Machavity umm... even then I could phone in and work from home whenever I wanted... technically anyway... since I was a team leader/head of department - it'd errr... not worked very well.
 
@StephenKennedy It is easy as a contractor to not take much time off, because each holiday day is a loss of earnings. However, I tell other contractors not to think like that, because time off is important. Now must apply that to myself...
@RiggsFolly MySQL! Mongo! Oracle!
 
2:34 PM
@halfer What field are you in?
 
@StephenKennedy software engineer, mainly PHP, APIs, microservices, CI, Docker.
I've been meaning to play with some Kubernetes this weekend, as it happens. However I am sitting in a cafe drinking coffee and absorbing the reflected UV from outside. :-)
 
@halfer I'm self-employed (effectively) - doing some work today mostly to just keep ahead on Tuesday which I know is going to be fantastically hectic. Once I've done that - quite looking forward to a long weekend :)
 
@JonClements Unfortunately SO CVR is distracting you from today's work :-)
 
@halfer it's never anything except a welcome "distraction"
 
@JonClements Is Tuesday Brexit Burrito day?
 
2:42 PM
@Machavity Brexit day? Umm... I don't know... I'll let you know as soon as we stop kicking the can down the road about it?
 
@JonClements Heh yeah, when I am on a client site I have to close down Stack Overflow, otherwise I might edit questions for several hours rather than doing client work.
 
I can get it sorted. I just need a parliamentary majority first.
 
@halfer yup... only joined the site to ask a question... then errr, thought, oh, I might be able to answer some stuff here... and then and then... and well, look where I ended up...
@StephenKennedy good luck with that one :)
 
@JonClements I have as many MPs as UKIP. It's a start.
 
Anyway - brexit/general politics isn't a suitable discussion for here. Also forgot to get carrots when shopping... need to rush out yet again... You write a list for stuff, cross each bit off, get home and then realise you missed a few bits even though you checked it off... sigh
 
2:50 PM
@Zoe Did you notice something odd about the answers on the dupe and target?
 
Zoe
I do now
 
@JonClements make two lists ...
 
Zoe
Gonna raise a mod flag
 
@JonClements It's all Rene and Machavity ever talk about! Cul o/
 
Zoe
Done
 
2:52 PM
Ty
 
Zoe
Plagiarism means auditing, so I'll just jump into this rabbit hole right here
brb
 
3:13 PM
@halfer How do you pronounce Kubernetes? :-)
 
@TylerH Koo-ber-net-ees
 
Zoe
Q-ber-net-ees?
 
abbreviation is k8s isn't it?
so maybe more like koo-ber-nate-es?
 
(Hint: it's Greek)
 
maybe best just to avoid this tech so we don't have to pronounce it
@double-beep ^ help me out, ty
 
3:19 PM
what?
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy Careful! What if nate wants to battle now?!
 
Are you Greek?
 
yup
I didn't follow the conversation, just came
 
@StephenKennedy video complete with the Greek pronunciation as well :P
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@Machavity You spoiled it! I got us a real live Greek person! :)
 
3:20 PM
'kubernetes' comes from κυβερνήτης AFAIK
 
@StephenKennedy Be careful, he might try to explain more words
 
@Machavity best part of that movie
aside from the dead twin in the throat of that mom
 
@Machavity I know that guy - however, I haven't heard him speaking English again and I was surprised because generally, Greek people's pronunciation are... awful. :)
 
@double-beep Well, it helps that he (and most of the cast) were actually Greek
 
@Machavity I think you have that the wrong way round
as I read it, Double-beep was surprised at the actor's ability in English
 
3:34 PM
Ah. Maybe they are, but that was kinda the point of the character. He's a Greek guy who moves to the US. That he is fluent in both made him perfect for the role
 
@StephenKennedy Double-beep was talking about the guy in the tech video
not the father from the my greek wedding movie
 
LOL we're both wrong then
 
I'm basing my claim on the power of the 'reply arrow highlighting' feature :-D
 
I'd ask him myself but it's all Greek to me
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zing
 
3:35 PM
@TylerH correct
well, about the actor...
 
tech guy is smooth
 
@StephenKennedy yeah...
 
@TylerH I'm in the Koo-ber-NEET-ees camp
 
3:54 PM
Urgh, I will literally explode if I see another pls help me in a question. And in the title too <sob>
 
I will not literally explode the next time I see someone misuse the word literally <sob>
 
@StephenKennedy I just can't even...
 
@PatrickArtner Both the question and its dupe are low quality and show no effort on the OP's part. Both questions ought to be closed in my opinion.
 
@Machavity wow. just wow
 
4:51 PM
@GrumpyCrouton ninja'd
 
@PatrickArtner In this case, it can just be closed itself. Duplicate closure lets it hang around longer
 
5:11 PM
@RiggsFolly You have voted to close the question because it should be closed?
Custom: I am voting to close this question because it should be closed. is
 
...off-topic. It makes more sense when viewed as a comment under the question.
 
:)
@window.document please say us exactly which post is dupe and which dupe target, i.e. [post] is duplicate of [post]
that's fairly better
 
learning with every step :)
 
@window.document What would be ideal here is if you 1. Flagged the question as a duplicate 2. Posted just the question you want closed
 
I flagged it already
 
6:04 PM
@window.document you haven't flagged some posts you have submitted here
 
Really? let me check
i marked those last 2 duplicate
3rd and 4th too, it doesn't show in the comments
 
i.stack.imgur.com/lLQ3y.png @double-beep i already did
 
where is the comment, then?
 
i don't know about that i sent you a screen shot
 
6:22 PM
@window.document Keep in mind that we ask users below 3k rep to keep requests to a minimum, and also ask that you not let requests become a habit; this room is for questions that are in need of attention now.
 
"I'm looking for Java code..."
 
6:38 PM
@StephenKennedy If you're around, it's just under 14 days since I was in "Dawg's Waffle Haus". It'd be interesting for you to try to ping me there.
 
@Makyen We were starting to wonder if your reminder had failed :) I'll try it now
No auto complete, but ping attempted (I'm guessing the former indicates you won't receive it)
 
@StephenKennedy I didn't get it. Clearly, I should have tried this a bit sooner. I'll join the room and we can try again in several days.
 
@Makyen There was no autocomplete on your name a few days after you visited, but I don't have an exact number. Sure, we can try again.
 
6:54 PM
@StephenKennedy Hmmm... I thought people were pingable for longer than just a few days. However, it looks like the limit may be 7 days. I thought I'd pinged people who had been absent longer than that.... Needs more testing. :-)
 
@Makyen But iirc you joined and didn't speak? I think I checked autocomplete before 7 days but am not 100% sure. Let's just run the test again :)
 
@StephenKennedy Yeah, I didn't post a message. If you don't mind, I'll schedule a reminder daily so we can narrow it down.
 
@Makyen Sure, no problem
 
7:24 PM
night \o
 
oof
 
9:28 PM
@StephenKennedy I do it for effect these days. But unfortunately the misuse is now so common that dictionaries have changed to permit it.
I got a snarky message on Meta to correct me about that not so long back!
 
Why is this question "clear and answerable"? stackoverflow.com/questions/55355879/…
I got it as an audit (and failed): stackoverflow.com/review/triage/22800004
 
@halfer Snark on meta?! Seriously, I hope you didn't take my message that way. I lament the misuse of that word, but it started long ago and is unstoppable (literally) :)
@grooveplex Audits are selected by the system (software, not people). The question has 7 upvotes, is open, and has an accepted answer. So far as the system is concerned, it's an excellent post.
 
9:45 PM
@grooveplex Audits are selected automatically. It was selected as a known-good audit due to having a moderately high score and no down-votes. It's been used as a triage audit 5 times, with 3 of the users selecting "Unsalvageable".
ninja'd :-)
 
But then why do I fail for saying as much?
 
@grooveplex The other two also failed.
 
@grooveplex Have you been review banned as a result?
 
@StephenKennedy nope
But even so, I think it's not a good audit.
 
@Makyen Do you know if a question is removed as an audit if X number of people fail it?
 
9:48 PM
@StephenKennedy I lamented it too (past tense), but the point I was making about is that, perhaps, we no longer can object to its misuse. The misuse is now correct use (sadly).
I can't remember which dictionary was updated, I'll see if I can find the link...
 
If it's the OED then game, set and match.
 
@StephenKennedy Not to the best of my knowledge. To remove the post as an audit, the state of at least one of the things the system looks for about the question has to change. For example, a single down-vote would prevent it from being an audit.
 
Would this be worth asking on Meta about, at all?
 
merriam-webster.com/dictionary/literally - used in an exaggerated way to emphasize a statement or description that is not literally true or possible
@StephenKennedy MW any good? I don't have much of a preference (which is odd, given than I'm a spelling "nazi")
 
@halfer No! Bad dictionary! Down with descriptivism!
 
9:50 PM
:)
 
@halfer Oh, an American dictionary - why didn't you say so before?! :)
 
Ah, is MW American? I did not know that.
Anyway, that the wrong meaning has entered any dictionary at all rather took the wind out of my sails, so I just let the young 'uns be now :-p
 
@grooveplex I'm not a Java expert, so may I ask why you consider it unsalvageable (i.e. what is your close reason)?
It looks rather broad, as a non expert
 
@StephenKennedy Me either, but I voted "Off-Topic > Questions asking us to recommend or find a book, tool, software library, tutorial or other off-site resource [...]"
 
Ooh, looks like they've thought about it a bit! merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/misuse-of-literally
 
Zoe
9:57 PM
@StephenKennedy "if there is a way" seems TB in that context
 
@grooveplex It looks to me like the question has not been through the close vote queue at all. So as I see it you have 3 options: 1) Go back and flag it for closure, 2) as 1 but also ask for a here (see our FAQ), or 3) moan on meta. cc @Makyen
As you can prob tell from my loaded wording, I don't much fancy 3) but it's not my call :)
 
To be completely honest, I'm not sure how to word my Meta post.
So I guess I'll flag (I don't have the rep to vote to close T_T) and move on
 
@grooveplex It's definitely not that close reason. That close reason is for when we're asked to find or recommend a resource. This is asking a specific question about a specific tool. That the founder and CEO of the company behind the tool happens to be a heavy user of SO and was able to answer is a happy benefit.
 
Alrighty. Thanks for your insight :)
 
10:13 PM
@halfer Oxford's entry is a hoot as it uses the primary meaning when explaining the new secondary meaning :)
> 1.1informal Used for emphasis while not being literally true.
 
Yeah, the link I pasted earlier say that most dictionaries agree on this - the "misuse" in fact goes back to Dickens and Brontë.
So even the OED is at it!
 
Indeed. I'll go stand in the corner now with a paper bag on my head.
 
I'm already in my corner ;-)
I ran out of paper bags though, I will just have to settle for a whisky and an instalment of The Handmaid's Tale.
 
enjoy :) o/
 
\o
 
10:21 PM
@PetterFriberg The person that's running stackse.com is probably ren. That's based on this comment and a user by the same username participating on the Google Group for the site with posts implying ownership or at least working on it.
 

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