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@JackParkinson the FAQ link in the room description in the upper right corner has all the information you need; the TLDR is to put [tag:cv-pls] before the close reason
using the standardized format lets various scripts and tools pick up your request and manage it properly
 
Tiw
6:17 AM
Does this qualify a cv-pls ? And at the end of the post: Ehm, i hate the "It looks like your post is mostly code; please add some more details." "It looks like your post is mostly code; please add some more details." "It looks like your post is mostly code; please add some more details."
 
7:14 AM
@karel please use the standard [tag:cv-pls] formatting
 
@karel As has been mentioned, the basic format for requests for people to look at a question with respect to voting to close is [tag:cv-pls] close reason https://stackoverflow.com/q/12345. Please see: How and why do I need to format my cv-pls (and other requests)?. It would likely be good a good idea to review the rest of the FAQ too.
 
Morning all \o
 
@karel If you want people to take action on this request, then please repost, in the above format. If it's not in that format, then it will be mostly forgotten once it scrolls off the chat page. We have a userscript that allows us to review active requests which have not yet been completed. However, it relies on the request containing the cv-pls tag. Without the tag, your request won't get the same level of exposure.
 
7:37 AM
!!/wa
 
8:25 AM
Can any 10k+ users tell me how similar this question is to this deleted question? And is it the same user?
 
@MichaelDodd close enough, not the same user
 
@rene Close enough to suspect sock puppeting? Or two students on the same homework assignment?
 
@MichaelDodd certainly worth a mod flag.
 
@rene Cheers, will do
 
@MichaelDodd same location mentioned on profiles as well
 
8:32 AM
@Adriaan So best case scenario, same school. I've flagged as possible sock puppets
 
@Makyen I decided that the only thing I can do to review a question like that is to wait for it to appear as a Help and Improvement review and flag it as "very low quality" so I flagged the question as very low quality. It was not my intention to use a for no predetermined reason, so instead I used "very low quality".
 
it's way too early ... mornin' o/
 
8:56 AM
@karel OK. However, it's much better to flag a question with an actual close reason rather than VLQ. A VLQ flag on a question is basically saying "This is bad, but I don't know if it needs editing by others or just closure. Please have someone else make that choice." That's the case because a VLQ flag on the question puts the question in the Triage Review queue.
In the Triage queue, multiple users must choose either "Unsalvageable", which is a close-vote/-flag and puts the question in the Close Vote Review Queue, or "Requires Editing", which puts the question in the Help and Improvement Review queue. So, a VLQ flag is really only effective if you feel that some other user in the community should edit the question, but not yourself.
However, even in that case, 3–5 other users have to view the question (Triage) prior to it getting in the H&I queue where it might be edited. If you want to know more about how flags and the review queues work, there's an excellent Meta: Question flags, queues, edits, roomba, community♦, how does this actually work?, which has a good flow chart showing how things are related.
 
9:50 AM
@AdrianHHH Can be abbreviated to NATO (New Answer To Old)
 
10:21 AM
 
@MichaelDodd I didn't know you could !!/report [text](link)!
 
@tripleee I think that's the room script auto-formatting it, I just pasted the URL
 
@MichaelDodd oh okay
haven't been using the userscript for very long, still learning ...
 
10:40 AM
@tripleee The things that the URRS adds/changes should have a tooltip indicating that it's been added/changed. Even so, when needing to know what's really in the original message (i.e. when working/checking on the scripts), I sometimes open another tab with userscripts disabled to be certain exactly what's there.
 
@Makyen hmmm, yep, it does; thanks for the tip
 
np
 
11:04 AM
@Adriaan I'd say TB. I've edited out the email address for now, doesn't seem particularly spammy to me
 
@MichaelDodd Agreed, but with that combination of keywords I wouldn't be surprised to find spam for male enhancement pills on there before long
 
@Adriaan Which makes it all the more important to close it :)
 
@FireAlarm wha, what happend to that text o.0
 
o/
 
^ User's icon is the same as the favicon
 
11:19 AM
@MichaelDodd You didn't notice the name matches too? ;)
 
@NickA Good catch, didn't see that
 
To be fair, I didn't notice the favicon, I mean who looks at favicons ;p
 
11:32 AM
 
11:52 AM
^ how bizarre...
 
12:34 PM
@RiggsFolly belonging on another site isn't really a proper close reason, though I voted to close as Too Broad
 
12:47 PM
@FireAlarm self Q/A, but rather short and bad question imo
 
1:12 PM
@MichaelDodd User in #1 was destroyed FWIW
 
@Machavity Cheers, that means they were both nuked then
 
2:00 PM
@MichaelDodd Does link back to site for the toolkit (not spam), but doesn't answer the OP's question as to why their script isn't executing.. just an explanation of that the toolkit is for.
 
@LynnCrumbling It's not a red flag post, tho. Probably NAA
 
@LynnCrumbling Not my area of expertise, so I wouldn't know either way. Personally I think it would make it through the LPQ unscathed, which is why I went with fp. Probably worthy of a downvote at most if incorrect.
 
@Machavity Yep, my assessment as well.
@MichaelDodd Right.. smokey needs to stand down; the user shouldn't be blacklisted. it's just a bad answer, not a bad user.
 
@LynnCrumbling The user wouldn't have been blacklisted for that, only if someone gives a tpu feedback. It just detected a link as the final part of the answer, which is one of its pre-set patterns
 
2:30 PM
@MichaelDodd I can't see what you are linking back to but I can easily remove any incorrectly blacklisted users
 
@tripleee Don't worry, SD picked up the pattern rather than the user. User wasn't blacklisted so no action to take.
 
@MichaelDodd ok, thanks
 
2:57 PM
Aaand I think I just tripped something in a userscript.
 
@E_net4 I'll be very annoyed if you've broken the internet
phew, it's still working
 
@StephenKennedy It's mildly broken from the start, so....
 
Advise Please I see someone has created an account with my Monica in it and a rather inaccurate suggestion about my politics. Who should I approach to ask if it can be removed, does anyone know the process?
 
@RiggsFolly monica?
 
3:03 PM
I assume you mean moniker?
 
@RiggsFolly Mod flag, explain in detail.
 
Yes, opps I do
 
yeah.. mod flag one of their or one of your own posts... explain with profile link
 
I cannot seem to find an obvious way to flag a mod
 
@RiggsFolly Just flag one of your own post.
 
3:04 PM
crepes
 
Eat a waffle
 
crumpets
 
Waffle one of your own posts.
 
ninja'd y'all
 
They have not posted, just left the account unused :) stackexchange.com/users/14765179/…
 
3:05 PM
@NathanOliver nope I ninja'ed Riggs
 
I'm hungry now.
 
@RiggsFolly tbf the Soviet Union national anthem is a thing of beauty
 
the Ukraine girls really knock me out
 
That Georgia Is always on ma m m m m miiiiiiiind
 
wait so does that mean that user is going to distribute all of their rep? not that it matters
 
3:06 PM
I thought that was Californian Girls.... or am i thinking of another song
 
defo's another song xD
 
bagels
 
Ok, so I am giglin now
 
Waffles are delicious.
 
I am sure waffle means something to you guys, but not me ;(
 
3:08 PM
my favourite Beatles album - full of lesser known gems and invented about 100 new genres :)
 
Tis a good one, Helter Skelter is an amazing song.. though, Rubber Soul for me will always take the title, just so perfectly beautiful and chilled
 
biscuit
 
gravy
 
filling
 
@LynnCrumbling And gravy :)
 
3:11 PM
nom nom nom
 
One of my favorite breakfest foods. Corned beef hash and eggs is also really good.
 
You cereal
 
I'm partial to bacon myself
 
Wonders: if you finish off a box of cereal, does that make you a cereal murderer?
 
Thanks All. I have given that a go
I suppose I should be flattered in a way
 
3:19 PM
I'm jealous. I haven't been called a communists since the red scare.
 
@NathanOliver Only if you pour the cereal before the milk.
 
Always cereal first
 
You monster. ;)
(CoC seal of approval)
 
@treyBake Yes, Rubber Soul is a thing of beauty. Nice to hear someone choose that over the usual Revolver or Pepper. (Although ofc it's rather like arguing "my 10 is higher than your 10" :))
 
@StephenKennedy yea, I did like those albums, but I would argue with those claiming they're masterpieces - though ofc you're right, music taste is very subjective :)
 
3:30 PM
@treyBake It's quiet, so I'll risk it. Favourite Clash album?
 
@StephenKennedy ohh what a question, but defos's Give 'Em Enough Rope - that album is just amazing .. yourself? :D
 
@treyBake Probably London Calling, but with a nod to the eponymous debut
But more controversially, I have "This is England" very high on my list of favourite songs (and yes I know it's not's an eulogy and many would say it's not even The Clash)
 
@StephenKennedy London Calling is a great album, Hateful is one of me favourite songs, and yeah This is England was the only silver lining of the album that shan't be named
 
> readFileSync is a javascript function from the fs module. This tag is different from readFile because it is synchronous.
Where did we go wrong so that doing things synchronously became so hard we need a tag and lots of questions about it?
 
When somebody at Netscape invented JavaScript in an afternoon?
 
3:44 PM
That is a root cause, sure
 
Why is there in the first place? It seems too... fine grained.
 
@StephenKennedy That person then proceeded to implement the blink tag ;)
 
@LynnCrumbling You'll be telling me next he also invented the flaming logo
 
4:07 PM
^^ also too broad
just a good example of a bad question
 
@excitedmicrobe please use our formatting: socvr.org/…
 
I'm new rene, will definitely check that out now
 
thanks, and welcome!
 
For those not following election chat: We have another SOCVR member (and RO and all round legend) running in the election. (Not Rene, t'other one).
 
I'm rooted, I don't run easy ...
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4:10 PM
Can anyone post the link of the election chat room
 
Thank you
 
@StephenKennedy oooh, they decided to then, nice!
 
4:28 PM
o/ hello all
 
o/
 
\o afternoon all
 
Hello world
 
Hello Vega
 
Hello Petter
 
4:30 PM
\o
 
Hello Nick
 
@Makyen You have officially become a moderator candidate now that you've chosen a new avatar :-P
 
@TylerH 'tis a shame, Makyen's identicon was always instantly recognisable
 
Yeah, I had to do a double take there
 
@NickA You don't think an image of trinary galaxies will also be somewhat unique on the site? :-P
 
4:32 PM
@TylerH Yeah. I've been thinking about actually having an avatar for quite some time, rather than just the Identicon. I do actually like my Identicon, but I figured I needed to actually get off my butt and pick a real avatar.
 
@Makyen best of luck. I wish I had four spots to vote for this election with all the good candidates
 
@TylerH Yeah, I've got 4 I'm struggling to pick from
 
Maybe the runner up will get a callup later on (I believe that's happened before?)
 
@TylerH Thanks. Yeah, it's a really strong field this time.
Which is a good thing for SO, but does make the choice difficult.
 
4:38 PM
@StephenKennedy Yeah, Undo was called up in 2015
 
@StephenKennedy Yep, once or twice. Also at least once one of the winners has withdrawn after winning and the 3rd place candidate was brought up
that is how Jonathan Sampson became a mod way back in 2010 or 2011
(he's since retired from the position)
although I wouldn't be surprised to see him become a mod again on pt.SO in the future
 
Edited a question, i was on the review list, a higher rep user just edits the question exactly like i do and my edit is gone. Duh
 
@Makyen Ah, so you picked the intro from It's a Wonderful Life
 
@excitedmicrobe conflicting suggested edits get merged in when someone with the edit privilege makes one
If you don't see any of your changes made, it means the other user made the same changes in their edit
 
And why do they get credit?
and i don't lol
Pretty much the reason i don't edit
 
4:42 PM
that shouldn't discourage you from editing - edit's aren't about getting your name on the edit, but improving SO quality overall
 
It's just the way the system works. It's an inelegant process, but Shog has so far resisted calls to implement an "edit lock" feature on account of it being such an edge case
 
@Machavity :-) I'd forgotten all about that part of the movie.
 
Also, it seems unlikely that, given even a fair frequency of edits, you'd encounter many such race conditions in your edit suggestions
The vast majority of them should make it into the queue to be reviewed
 
@excitedmicrobe When you get edit privileges, there is no gained reputation. I think they edited without knowing about your edit, like in H&I queue
 
^^ not about getting my name, i wouldn't really mind if it shows my name or not, +2 is important when editing is my only option
@Vega thank you, i didn't know that
 
4:44 PM
out of >6000 edits, only maybe 30 times have I encountered a situation where someone else has already submitted an edit
@excitedmicrobe Well, you can always ask or answer questions :-)
 
There's also a race condition bug with edit. More than once included in my edit there have been changes I didn't make.
 
@StephenKennedy that's as I described above. They are merged
 
@TylerH sometimes the question is beyond my knowledge, the only way to make myself useful is by editing the question
 
@TylerH You don't think I actually read your messages do you?! (only joking; must have missed that)
 
Cause i'm not active all day, but when i am, i try to make the most out of it
 
4:46 PM
@excitedmicrobe sure, but you don't have to contribute in some way to every question
 
@Vega not quite true. You get +2 for every suggested edit that is approved, up to 1000 gained rep from suggested edits. You can and do earn this rep even after you've crossed the 2000 reputation threshold... if you have any pending edit suggestions that somehow take long enough to get approved.
It's just that the vast majority of people don't notice this as suggested edits don't take that long to get reviewed, and people tend to have all their suggested edits reviewed before or around the time they reach 2k reputation
 
@TylerH or from tag wiki edits
 
I had suggested a feature request to get +2 everytime the content gets upvoted, i got downvotes
but it's a really good idea
If SO wants new people as editors
 
if it were a really good idea surely it would have got more upvotes?
 
4:49 PM
+2 the content gets upvoted? As in the edited question post-edits?
(if you did the edit)
 
I lost almost all my +2 from editing. A year and half ago, when I got 'active' on SO, there were a confusion between AngularJS and Angular tags. I edited a lot of low quality questions tags and lost them all, as Rommba got them.
 
@StephenKennedy that's included in the 1k rep cap
 
@excitedmicrobe I certainly don't want trivial edits to gain reputation. One of the down votes was mine.
 
@excitedmicrobe what do you mean? every time what content gets upvoted?
you mean when you edit a post, and every time that post gets upvoted, you as an editor gets +2 rep?
 
4:50 PM
@TylerH yes but it can still be earnt post-2k rep
 
the question or the answer that was edited by e.g me
yes @TylerH
 
@StephenKennedy yes, just like post edit suggestions, as they're still just "edit suggestions"
 
Regarding the Atlassian burnination; It appears that Atlassian has a library for their design framework that is used across their family of products. The documentation indicates they call it "AUI", but I'm not sure about how to name a tag that covers it. atlassian-ui? atlassian-aui? atlassian-design-framework? I don't want to use aui because there will likely be a collision on such a short string...
 
That wouldn't be a great idea - reason being is that, new peeps, would do really really basic edits to get rep that could lead to higher privileges that get abused.
 
@Vega I remember that, it was a dark dark dark few days
 
4:51 PM
@HereticMonkey hey! can you post that in chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/188947/… instead?
 
I've passed the edit threshold and now all I really do is formatting for nicer reading. Correcting English etc. etc. , the +2 means nothing, just so long as the edit is beneficial to sO
 
@TylerH you got it. thanks.
 
@NickA But I was there, so it got brighter ;) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vega
 
@excitedmicrobe yeah, that'd be not great IMO. You already get some rep for improving the post. But edits shouldn't improve posts so substantially that upvotes to it should reward you additionally; if you have that much to contribute, you should probably be writing your own answer, instead
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@treyBake, SO is so smart, this mechanism could be useful in Questions or answers that has +10k views
 
4:52 PM
likewise there'd be no way to counter that by deleting an edit revision, unlessyou also consider losing 2 rep every time an answer is downvoted, which seems wrong
you don't want to lose rep just because you improved a post that others might think is a bad solution
 
thank you @TylerH. great note
 
@excitedmicrobe Either way, I would urge you to keep making suggested edits to improve posts, and provide answers/questions wherever you can. You will be at 2k rep before you know it!
Then you'll be king of the hill, edit-wise :-)
 
@TylerH Well, queen, gotta hit the elusive 20k to be the king ;p
 
@NickA there's always a bigger fish...
 
5:10 PM
@excitedmicrobe SO Documentation did something like that. I really didn't like it. It greatly changes the economics of voting and reputation.
 
@NathanOliver that's not k, that's naa.
 
@Makyen yeah, they really ought to have separated reputation out between Main and Docs
 
@double-beep Meh. 1 rep unreged user and the link is spammy.
 
@NathanOliver technically it's not. He discloses affiliation... it's just a NAA IMO
 
exactly
 
5:14 PM
unless there's evidence of him posting the same thing on other questions...
 
@TylerH Yeah. How the reputation was handled really destroyed my motivation for working on Documentation, because I didn't want the extremely easy reputation from the edits. Basically, it felt like it greatly cheapened the work I'd done on SO main (to being near valueless wrt. reputation compared to Documentation).
 
5:30 PM
@Vega There's still confusion between those tags
 
@Makyen yeah I think I got some 1.5k reputation from Docs in just a short week
it was ridiculous
but then again... that's exactly how folks got rep on SO back in 2008 from "what's your favorite IDE" questions...
 
Someone got like 10K in a day because they forgot to add it to the rep cap. It had a very messy launch
 
Yeah, don't get me started on Docs. A decent number of my Meta posts were on the subject
 
@StephenKennedy A windfall for editors? ;)
 
@Machavity I hope they were along the lines of "it's a terrible idea"
@Vega Maybe but alas not for you :)
 
5:34 PM
@StephenKennedy Maybe...
 
@TylerH Yeah, overall I got >3k form 2 edits. By about a day after I made the edits, I realized that the rep gain was going to be huge. It really destroyed my motivation for Docs and even Main for a while.
 
@TylerH No not like that at all. I have 7k rep and can go get a +2 on a tag wiki edit right now.
 
5:50 PM
@StephenKennedy Right, because you have less than 1k total rep gained from suggested edits
the 1k total covers both suggested edits on posts and tag wikis/tag wiki excerpts
you gain the right to unilaterally edit posts at 2k rep, but can't unilaterally edit tag wikis/excerpts until 20k
 
Yeah I know. We must be arguing at cross-purposes. Nm :)
 
no more edit rep for me :(
 
@NathanOliver Stop it, I can't handle the sadness
 
you could theoretically gain +2 from an approved suggested edit at 50k reputation from a tag wiki edit suggestion or post edit suggestion if you've ever made one that took that long to get approved, (and have fewer than 1k gained rep total/lifetime from suggested edits of any kind being approved)
 
@NathanOliver Just ask more questions. +2 for accepting an answer :P
 
5:54 PM
Why get +2 for accepting an answer when you can get +15 from getting your answer accepted?
 
Zoe
Why get +15 for getting your answer accepted when you can open a bounty and get more votes?
 
Why spend rep on a bounty when you can earn one and get votes?
Fun fact, I have 1057 accepted answers. ~16K rep just from accepts, I had no idea.
 
Zoe
Rep from accepts are outside the rep cap, right?
 
@Zoe Yes
 
Zoe
I vaguely remembered something like that ^^"
 
6:00 PM
@TylerH How fast does it take to get from 20k to 50k?
 
@gparyani The world may never know
@NathanOliver impressive
 
7:31 PM
 
 
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8:36 PM
@NathanOliver is this a rep measuring context? :P
lol
or a reping match.
 
:) I was curious to see if I would be a 20K user just from accepts. Turns out not yet.
 
oh I see. :) Yeah, I did the same check, except with bounties.
 
@M-M . I carefully compared the two questions related to my cv-pls. The new one is almost identical to the original. The asker appears to have rerun their code and got a new version of the error message, but it just differs in date/time and in values that look like transaction-identity values.
 
9:03 PM
@Nkosi @NathanOliver I only have 120 accepted answers, so 1800 rep. I have 1900 rep from bounties though
also woot, 12k votes cast \o/
 
yaay \o/
 
@TylerH Nice. I haven't received any bounties.
 
I've only received 6 or 7, but three of them are 500 each
 
nice
 
I think some were from MadaraUchiha; he had a policy of a 500 bounty for any exceptional answer, not sure if he still awards those these days
 
M-M
9:08 PM
@AdrianHHH did I say anything? Ö
 
@M-M you did on the question stackoverflow.com/questions/55050245/…
that's probably where the ping comes from (I mean, why he pinged you)
 
M-M
@TylerH @AdrianHHH come on mate, gimme a clue :D
Thanks Tyler
 
M-M
p.s. I did mark as duplicate. That was a general comment, which I guess I shouldn't have left it on the dupe @AdrianHHH
 
@NathanOliver Trying for that Unsung Hero badge?
 
9:15 PM
 
Cool
 
That was actually my second gold badge. Got that a week after Marshal.
 
9:41 PM
@Nkosi At least level 4.
 
lol
 
M-M
or off-topic, recommend tool ...
 
10:06 PM
Every time I glance at the list of active participants I see the album cover of Queen II, do a double take, and then say to myself "ah, Makyen's new avatar"
 
@M-M . Apologies for the delayed reply, I was away from the computer for a while. My message here on chat was referring to the comment you put on the question I cv-pls'd. I thought that perhaps you had not realised that the two questions were almost identical. Your comment on the question was good although I would have preferred it to be on the older question - which I see you have now done. Thank you.
 
M-M
@AdrianHHH np ;)
 
10:35 PM
@StephenKennedy :-) I must admit that I had to Google the Queen II album cover, but yeah, there is a resemblance. :-)
 
@Stephen @Makyen looked slightly to me more like one of the various ELO greatest hits covers
 
@Makyen That's kind of you to say so, but I suspect it's just the beginnings of insanity on my part :) However, I do have a fun fact which you may not be aware of - the guitarist of Queen, Brian May, has a PHD in Astrophysics. ... Thesis - and no I haven't read it
The tl;dr is that he abandoned his doctoral studies in 1974 as his band was beginning to take off. He submitted his thesis on "Radial Velocities in the Zodiacal Dust Cloud" 36 years later to secure his PHD :)
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@StephenKennedy Interesting, and good for him. That's impressive.
 
11:09 PM
@JonClements Either I'm looking at the wrong covers, or I'm just not seeing it. :-(
 
now you point it out, I'm struggling, but was thinking almost like: i.pinimg.com/236x/1d/f9/bb/…
 
@JonClements OK, yeah, I can see it, a bit. It's not something I would have picked-up on on my own, though.
 
Rob
11:27 PM
Oh, nice new profile image Makyen :)
 
@JonClements Mmm... I'm feeling slightly more sane now (relatively speaking)
 
nothing wrong with ELO - perhaps just my eyesight :)
 
There's a user who keeps on suggesting edits and every time they do they put as the edit summary a slight variation of "just improving the question 💙💙💙". Should I ping them and politely ask them to write better summaries or is that not necessary/should it be handled by someone else?
 
@GBlodgett give it a try, if it doesn't improve / no response, try a mod flag. Do know that there is no strict ruling on what should be or shouldn't be (except offensive/rude stuff) in suggested edit comments.
there is one user on MSE who leaves almost poetry in their edit comments. Don't think anyone was ever bothered about that.
 
Rob
11:45 PM
Hmm. Flagging would at best just result in the mod asking them in chat/comments to leave the hearts out (and at worst, a declined flag), nothing more than a regular user could do :) - so you're welcome to ask them nicely if it bothers you. But, I can't see it being escalated beyond that.
 
@Rob of course - a mod could edit the suggested edit comment if they're that distracting for whatever reason... but...
 
@rene @Rob Ok thanks for the advice. I'll try leaving a very polite and encouraging comment and leave it at that
 

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