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Rob
5:46 AM
@rene Bit late but, there's no deleted comments there at all
 
 
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7:20 AM
Morning all \o
 
7:31 AM
i wish there was a close reason for "user did something stupid and expects stack overflow to fix the consequences"
 
@Adriaan User account now deleted, how bizarre
 
7:48 AM
@Vega and @SurajRao if you have time, energy and most of all fun any input on the angular mess is appreciated chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/165597/trogdor
 
9:01 AM
was proposed for burnination on meta 3 years ago, but nothing was ever done... what is the right way to get that one nuked?
i would like to bump the meta post in question to get attention to the request, but that's obviously not allowed
 
@Djensen It wasn't offensive in my opinion, it wasn't directed at anyone. Was just unprofessional use of language.
@Djensen It's only red-flaggable IMO if it's abuse directed at one or more others, or outright gibberish (abuse of the site)
Use of swearing as expression should just be cleaned up
@Djensen But you can retract the flag by clicking Flag > Retract Flag (bottom right)
 
@MichaelDodd You're right, I agree. If I had been 2k+ rep, i would probably have just edited it aswell, but I figured that it was better to flag as offensive, than submit a edit, that would take a while to get through. but in hindsight, I should just have submitted a edit.
 
@Djensen Or better still just ping someone here if it isn't edited reasonably quickly, it's such a trivial edit that it'd be picked up by a 2k user in seconds once it's been reported by Smoke Detector
By submitting an edit you need to wait for at least 2 2k+ users to approve it
 
@MichaelDodd I don't have the option to retract my flag: imgur.com/a/L5u2m80
 
@Djensen That means it's been handled then, check your history. I'm guessing disputed.
 
9:15 AM
@Djensen (maybe prefer Stack's own imgur over the regular one; it's mildly obnoxious about cookies etc)
 
@MichaelDodd youre right again :P It has already been handled, probably because it was a high priority flag. And it was disputed idd.
 
@Djensen Makes sense, that's probably the best result as it disputed count against you.
 
@tripleee Yes, I just was trying to hurry, before the flag was handled. I knew there was a SO version of imgur, and for a regular answer/question I would have used it.
 
there is an upload ... button to the right here in the chat inbox
you end up with a onebox which you will want to edit in this particular room, though
 
@tripleee Oh god, I completely missed that button haha... I'll remember that for next time :)
 
9:27 AM
@Rob Thanks!
 
9:48 AM
@IanKemp You could state your preference in the Trogdor room. However, keep in mind that there are hundreds of burnination requests. When each one is put through the process depends on when the moderators choose to do so. While there appears to be a systematic order, the criteria that are being used to choose which one to feature have not be completely disclosed.
 
Morning! o/
 
@kayess The queen being Shog?
 
10:35 AM
general question, what do we do if we suspect multi-user accounts to ask different question to get past no-question-temp-ban?
e.g.
stackoverflow.com/questions/55238548/… (then see my commented link)
 
@treyBake Modflag with as much evidence as you can gather. They'll look into it from there
 
@MichaelDodd ok, do I just flag one of the questions with custom message?
 
@treyBake Yes, make sure to include links
 
@MichaelDodd cool - thank you :)
 
@MadaraUchiha yup
 
10:58 AM
Anyone got a spare wall I can bash my head against? Or a spare clue-by-four?
 
11:13 AM
@MichaelDodd here
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@SurajRao Thanks, if I've not posted anything else within 10 minutes then assume I've passed out and dial 0118 999 881 999 119 725... 3
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Zoe
@MichaelDodd What planet code? :p
 
"I'm still confused" - You and me both, buddy.
(I'm not being unreasonable in that comment thread am I?)
 
@MichaelDodd let Android burn on its own site; has been my mantra for years :p
@MichaelDodd nah, OP just problem haz wit English
 
@Adriaan Does that mean me and @Zoe get to run the ACVR room?
 
Zoe
11:19 AM
nah, it just means burning through close votes faster.
alone is enough for that though, but it takes more time
That reminds me I closed the Android tab xD
 
@Zoe And nothing of value was lost!
 
Zoe
@MichaelDodd And my sanity was saved :p
 
11:44 AM
@MichaelDodd I think that's fine, it's only bad if you have the intention of bringing the answer back after, which I assume you don't ;p
 
@NickA Just giving full disclosure just in case :)
tbh if OP is going round in circles and incapable of understanding the problem, it's not worth my time anymore, or anyone else's
 
Shame all the comments were on your answer instead of the question
 
12:32 PM
hmmm... found this question which is too broad, has link-only answer and pending minor edit. Is there something I can do?
 
Morning
 
@double-beep cv-pls it?
 
@NathanOliver too old
 
12:36 PM
@double-beep Nah, it has recent activity. Also, we could edit the first question out of the Q which preserves the 1 vote answer (will need an edit as well to remove it talking about question 1) and then NAA flag the top voted answer.
 
12:57 PM
@double-beep A pending edit (that you didn't make) counts as activity. I often find closable things in other queues
 
@Machavity ah, ok, thanks for the observation.
@Makyen as Machavity said a pending edit is considered as activity in a post. However, the alpha version of the CV request generator doesn't consider it as activity. Can the userscript be updated, please?
 
@double-beep I'm not sure it can be on that end. The catch there is it doesn't show in the question as activity. I'm not sure we can query the suggested edit queue like that either (but I'm not as familiar with it)
 
@Machavity You should be able to identify any *"Edit (1)"*s on the page though
 
@Machavity let's see Makyen's opinion first. And I think that the userscript should search the timeline of the post (excluding votes) to say if the post has or hasn't recent activity.
 
Yeah, I'm not familiar enough with the API itself
 
1:07 PM
@NickA But what if the edit is subsequently rejected? What wouldn't count in the "last activity" stat
 
lets find out for science \o/
 
@MichaelDodd Hey, I caught half the cases, someone else can catch the other half :P
 
@MichaelDodd The edit is rejected now in that Q
 
@Machavity Yeah that's the point I was making regarding picking up suggested edits by the script
 
Looks like a rejected edit does not change the activity stat. This answer has a recent rejected edit as well and the post doesn't update with the activity date.
 
1:14 PM
Does that mean that rejecting an edit unbumps the question? O_o
 
I don't think pending edits bump questions. Accepted edits do IIRC
 
Then why are we detecting edit(1)s again?
 
@JohnDvorak To determine if a question is "in play" for closure (i.e. recent activity)
 
@NathanOliver That was what I was referring to. The Q doesn't show an activity update unless it gets approved. As long as you can point to a rejected edit it should be OK. I Wasn't aware the userscript enforced it
 
We aren't. double-deep would like the alpha version of the cv-pls script to count pending edits as recent activity.
 
1:19 PM
Would that make our concept of recent activity more generous than that of SE's? Do we want that?
 
Confirmed: pending edits do not bump: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/80186/…
 
@JohnDvorak Here's how I look at it. You're in the SE queue and find an edit to a closable Q. Should we not allow you to CV it just because it's pending?
 
I'm fine with being more generous. If you stumble across something that needs moderation activity in a queue, I'll consider that recent activity.
 
And we can always verify a rejected edit. They show up in the timeline
 
2:01 PM
^ and ^^ I used my best judgement. You can view the cv reasons the other 3 people voted and cast. FYI, these were mis-retagged, so they attracted my attention.
 
there is one more question which has 1 cv. Is it worth flagging as too broad?
 
if it has a cv then it is in the queue. I'm not sure if flagging will do anything extra. It's age will probably keep it from showing up at the front of the queue.
 
@NathanOliver at least is it worth closing it?
 
I threw a cv at it so yes, it is worth closing. I'm just not sure if your flag will do anything that the cv's have not
 
2:15 PM
@NathanOliver iirc not; all a flag does is push it into the queue, where it would already be given a close vote. I don't know whether a flag would 'reset' the age-away timer though
 
IIRC, flags can counter no-close votes
 
The flag does not stop the close votes aging away, but does stop the close flags from aging away meta.stackexchange.com/questions/136989/…
@JohnDvorak No close votes? You mean leave open from the CVQ?
 
yes
 
I wonder how that works. So if it get flagged, people vote leave open in the queue, more flags will counter those leaving it reviewable?
@treyBake Please use a real reason with your cv-pls
 
@NathanOliver I mean there's a close-reason for "why isn't this code working?" - is that not reason enough?
why is this code not working*
 
2:24 PM
He means "unclear" or "no MVCE"
It's always a good idea to use one of those
 
Ah I see, ok with ya :) ty
 
Wow, either the box has changed or I just am so used to my auto comment one I've forgot it doesn't mention mcve until the end. lacks mcve would be preferred as it is very explicit that is the close reason you believe it is.
 
@NathanOliver it happens - I should be more explicit instead of rush-closing :) +1 to mod skills ...
 
2:59 PM
@treyBake are these considered spam?
 
@treyBake 'anyone who has to help me will be grateful' That makes for an interesting proposal :P
 
@double-beep I'd say so ! haha
hahahah xD ^^
 
It sorta makes sense in a job offer
 
anyway, 1 del-vote remaining, let's have it gone
 
3:23 PM
opinions about this? Opinion-based? Too Broad? Or nothing?
 
Zoe
@JohnDvorak Job offers are spam. Also established on meta
 
@double-beep POB for sure
> I just want the latest view on both as too what should I use?
 
@Zoe I retracted my spam flag because I thought they weren't :(
 
Zoe
Now you know ^^"
 
yeah
 
Zoe
owo Scandinavian :D
 
If ya don't know, now ya know .. youtube.com/watch?v=7nDB0GU0S-Y
^^ thought that's what adriaan linked, but I was in for a surprise xD
 
Zoe
omg, the lyrics xD
 
hi!
 
Zoe
Hiya o/
 
3:33 PM
@Adriaan Was kinda expecting this instead
 
@double-beep @Machavity @NathanOliver @JohnDvorak Any of the edit button text, the button's title, SE API suggested edits (more complex), or a rejected edit from the question's timeline (also more complex either from the timeline page or SE API), can be checked. I'll add it the the "to-do" list. I'd note, however, the script does not block posting the cv-pls, just requires confirmation. That warning and confirmation popup are there so the user thinks about if the question has recent activity.
There are several possible things that can make the question a valid one for requests, not just the "active" date on the question. The intent of the confirmation popup is to remind the user, while letting them use their own judgement.
OTOH, it is important to try to cover enough cases such that the confirmation doesn't pupup often enough for the user to get used to just clicking-through it without reading it. If it gets to that point, then the confirmation popup becomes useless.
 
Zoe
Pro top: a newline saves saves message count and doesn't break pings or replies
 
I've never actually seen the popup
 
@JohnDvorak It's one of Makyen's galaxy of options
 
@Zoe I, generally, don't like using the fixed font larger messages that people have to click on to see; mostly, because I tend to use Markdown and those messages don't support Markdown. Obviously, that wasn't an issue for the above messages, but commonly is. I'll certainly consider using the "fixed font" button rather than the "multi-part" button from time to time.
 
Zoe
3:41 PM
newline doesn't mean fixed font. You can have a multiline message without using fixed font

Code blocks don't work with replies anyways. Markdown is still an issue though, so that's actually a good point ^^"
 
@Zoe Right. I should have been more accurate. You can send a larger message multi-line message without it being in fixed font.
Particularly given that those buttons don't show up, and "send" is disabled, unless there is at least one newline in the longer message.
 
this smells like NAA to me: why this works only for X86 and not for X64 even if there where no source changes and only some addaption of the projcec. From Review
and 1 upvote
 
3:57 PM
Hm... Don't know the official guidance on half-fixes that lead to further questions
 
@double-beep seems like it is, the same code is in question, too.
 
Zoe
 
@Zoe Sounds like the data owner telling the OP off (in a welcoming way)
 
Zoe
Yeah, it doesn't look rude either, but it doesn't look like an answer either
 
wow that went fast :) ty
 
@Zoe Did you flag and if so has been it handled?
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy no. Like I said, I'm not sure
 
@Zoe I mean, I wanted to comment on the question something along the lines of "Note that this is against their [TOS]", but... it's not.
 
I flagged it because it because it doesn't answer the question
 
If we go by the most narrow definition of NAA then contact the site owners to buy the data might be an answer, but it's better deleted imo
 
4:27 PM
@SterlingArcher What was the flag outcome?
 
> pending
 
ah ok. ty.
 
I think they're trying to give the poster time to see the comment
 
Zoe
@Machavity they can still see comments on their own deleted posts though
 
Please stop making sensible but contradictory points! I don't know who to agree with :/
 
4:34 PM
Or don't. More information allows us to form a well-substantiated opinion of our own.
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy Always agree with the wolf with cake!! :p
 
Zoe
Cake!
 
Lemon drizzle cake?
 
Zoe
Sure, why not
:p
 
4:36 PM
@ErikA I agree, of course
 
4:56 PM
english, please. this is an english site. we can not understand you. — Franz Gleichmann 9 mins ago
Would you flag this comment as not constructive? it's a little aggressive and doesn't point them to es.so
 
I don't mind they aren't pointing them at es.so.
The comment is fine with me.
 
I flagged NLN as it's been made obsolete by your comment and closure
 
I think the bold and italics come off as aggressive
 
Ah, noted
 
Not a big deal, because they're right, was just curious of the consensus on it
 
5:00 PM
It seems slightly aggressive to me too but not enough to notch the flag level up past NLN
 
Yeah definitely not rude or abusive, just not very helpful
 
5:47 PM
 
Zoe
@SterlingArcher NLN and post a constructive comment
 
@Zoe exactly what I did :)
 
Zoe
yeah, figured ^^"
 
What's that supposed to mean >:(
 
Zoe
you have a comment with a matching timestamp and the linked comment is gone, which means you most likely flagged it (which flag is a separate question)
 
5:51 PM
Oh fine, use perfectly sound logic.
 
Zoe
That's the plan ^^"
 
6:24 PM
@StephenKennedy just an update, the flag was marked helpful
 
what's NLN?
 
@SterlingArcher thanks
NLN = No longer needed
 
@SterlingArcher are you out of flags?
 
@rene no sir, 81 remaining
Been trolling late answers to try and get some out there
 
@SterlingArcher you don't need to post here then, one flag is enough.
 
Oh, ok, sorry about that
 
np
@SterlingArcher please see socvr.org/… if you want some background why we have that rule
 
6:55 PM
👍
 
One box of the day: ☐
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7:06 PM
hi
 
i have this piece of code what is for _ syntax in python ?
 
wrong room
 
@Mookayama We're not a programming room. You might want to see if there's a Python room
 
@Machavity user invited there.
 
7:22 PM
@Makyen @Zoe @SterlingArcher @Machavity @Jean-FrançoisFabre the election ends in about 40 minutes. I'd like to wish you good luck, again. I may not see the election results today, because it is a little bit late, now.
 
Zoe
Thanks ^^
 
We appreciate your support
 
@double-beep Thanks. Good luck to everyone who's running.
 
7:35 PM
Very much appreciated :)
 
7:48 PM
^^ and ^^^ just because there will be some people which will approve these edits, not sure why or how they can.
ok, thanks
I have really seen people approving spammy edits
 
@double-beep Sometimes I think we need SOSER- Stack Overflow Suggested Edits Rejectors- er Reviewers I mean.
 
@GBlodgett A guy called 'double-beep' 'The Rejector' on SO, has approved 50 edit suggestions and rejected 138 edit suggestions and improved 11 edit suggestions. (Sorry for violating room rules about targeting :().
 
:4568617 The real miracle is that you found 138 edits worth approving
 
The election has ended! Waiting for the results! Good Luck again to candidates!
 
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Q: 2019 Community Moderator Election Results

Jon EricsonStack Overflow's eleventh moderator election has come to a close, the votes have been tallied and the two new moderators are: They'll be joining the existing crew shortly—please thank them for volunteering, and share your assistance and advice with them as they learn the ropes! Also, please...

 
8:03 PM
noooo machavity so close =w=
if only cat votes counted for 6 billion
 
Congrats to Baum mit Augen and Jean-François Fabre, our new 2019 moderators!
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nooooooooo our Machavity…………… You were so close IMO...
 
Makyen ran too :P
The Ma* candidates all went in round 4, 5 and 6
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre CONGRATS! (we are not allowed to ping mods, but maybe you have not accepted the agreement yet :))
 
8:28 PM
congratulations @Jean-FrançoisFabre and @BaummitAugen
please accept this pile of custom flags as your inauguration present :D
 
8:51 PM
They are both overwhelmed by all the new toys, but will be right back soon
 
@Magisch Thanks!
 
now you're Baum mit Augen und Diamant
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I'm just back to say thanks all, but yes, I was reading (and testing) the power tools.
They work :)
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre looking forward to see you both in action
 
@Magisch A thermodynamicist would never gives his wife a diamond. Not only because he cannot afford it, but also because it is only meta-stable in room conditions!
 
9:00 PM
@PetterFriberg too late. I accepted the agreement. You're toast.
thanks a lot!
 
I won't be bothering you with requests anymore...
 
@BaummitAugen and @Jean-FrançoisFabre Congratualtions to both of you! I'm sure you both will do a great job!
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But I promised a friend I won't nuke all duplicates.
 
@Makyen Thank you!
I hope you run again and go on to win some other time.
 
9:04 PM
@Makyen thanks. I checked the previous election stats and almost all the "losers" (including Jon Clements, deceze, Baum and me) are now moderators, so it'll happen.
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'grats from me too! I won't ping (you can see what happened to Petter :P), but the shoes you're going to fill are huuuuuuge
 
I can sense a ping.
 
piiiin--- oh.
 
9:16 PM
@BaummitAugen @Jean-FrançoisFabre Honestly, I'm willing to serve as a moderator, but I don't have a burning desire to be one. It's a significant commitment, a minimum of about 1/30 of your waking life. Frankly, what I've seen is that it's a lot of work that's really not fun. I expect it would be fulfilling, as I'm significantly motivated by helping others, but I really see it as serving the community in different ways, some of which are significantly more effective, others are just different tasks.
 
@Makyen I understand that fully. If I hadn't been elected, I would have thought the same.
 
@Zoe where's my cake?
 
Zoe
@StephenKennedy Here you go: 🥮
 
Awesome! tyvm :)
 
Zoe
Np ^^
 
9:25 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre instead you get all the custom flags
 
I'm chewing on them right now.
 
wait a minute... aren't you supposed to read flags instead of ripping them...
 
10:14 PM
 
The answer to this ends up not being so bad. Is it worth re-opening the question over?
Also, anyone know how that was posted after the question was closed?
 
caching
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Still, it was almost 15 minutes later.
 
There's a window after closure during which an answer can still be posted - but I must admit I didn't think it was that long
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Congrats on using your new diamond superpowers on that C# question BTW. Congrats on the diamond too, actually.
 
10:30 PM
thanks. I'm trying to do easy things first.
 
10:43 PM
@EJoshuaS @StephenKennedy The window on the server is 4 hours. So, if the client side doesn't get the notification that the question is closed, the user can post an answer up to 4 hours after closure.
 
11:05 PM
Another case of someone on Stack Overflow sending someone to Photography with a question that isn't about photography.
That just makes everyone sad
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre: congrats on being elected moderator. Good luck on fighting the good fight
 
Is there a lunge room for SE as a whole?
 
@user3342816: lunge?? Please elaborate
 
@user3342816 lounge room? yes
 
as in general chat / any topic or
 
11:15 PM
idk exactly what is on and off topic there but afaik that's the cross network "lounge"
 
@StephenKennedy: Thanks, look about right )
Do not have chat privileges there yet though :P
 
The Help and Review queue is extremely tedious
 
@SterlingArcher Congratulations, you've just won SOCVR's "Understatement of the week" award :)
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@HovercraftFullOfEels why did shmosel comment "Don't tag spam", didn't understand that one....
 
If a code snippet has innapropriate variable names, is it ok to edit them out or should I flag the question?
 
11:29 PM
@Vickel: the post contained question language tags that did not relate to the question itself. For instance the poster tagged the question with the question tag, but the question had nothing to do with coding in the Java programming language.
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels ah ok thanks, I was not aware of tag spamming, but obviously that's clear for me now
 
@SterlingArcher I'd lean towards editing if the post is otherwise good and doesn't appear to be trolling
 
I'm inclined to agree, it's just 2 poorly named variables,
 

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