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Flagged because they won't stop.
 
That's quite a few vandalism edits.
 
sd7v was certainly a novelty :) (and it didn't stop there)
I enjoy a good game of whack-a-mole
 
Yeah, but it's way past time to just call in the moderators, who can actually win the game. :-;
 
2:07 AM
They have a bigger hammer, that's all :)
 
 
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3:10 AM
The vandal is still at it and is clearly quite determined. Let's not amuse them any further by continuing to roll back. Hopefully a mod will appear soon and grant them a vacation from the site.
 
 
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10 c questions, 8 cvs and 2 remaining only dv'd.
 
 
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@StephenKennedy link?
 
@MadaraUchiha My ccustom flag was marked helpful and the user is suspended, so I assume it's handled. This was one of the vandalized posts.
 
11:15 AM
@Makyen Yup, cheers.
 
11:51 AM
Leaning on TB but want a second opinion stackoverflow.com/questions/58788203/…
Would even argue that it is OB
 
12:10 PM
@Nkosi too broad and what they need to solve is more at the design level then at the programming level.
 
@rene ty
 
 
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4:14 PM
@SotiriosDelimanolis stackoverflow.com/questions/44847875/… is a terrible dupe as the question has been edited in a way which invalidates the answer (there is no "India" string in the Q now)
 
@StephenKennedy we can delete that one too
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis Yes no great loss to delete it. I can't chuck in a vote tho as its 20k.
the big guns took care of it
 
4:57 PM
@JL2210 NAA flag can take care of that (done)
 
6:05 PM
\o
 
@StephenKennedy I heard you're halfway to 20k - nearly there ;-)
 
@halfer Stop it :P
 
:=)
After 10K I lost most of my interest in acquiring rep, although it seems to creep up slowly anyway
I find curation and helping askers of hopeless questions more satisfying
 
My goal's always been 10k for the tools and the ability to view deleted posts... and so far, it's really great
Tag editor is very handy, but I often forget I have it
 
6:10 PM
You could have gotten that one with a US before.
 
Deleted posts is pretty good, but I don't think I use any mod tools. I find myself wanting to give them to good people here who are way more active than me, but I don't think that's possible :-)
 
@BaummitAugen Now you tell me!
 
At least for seeing deleted posts you actually do need the 10k, so it was still worth it. :)
 
6:29 PM
Are the new close reasons permanent? I think they are doing A/B testing, as I sometimes see the old ones. I find myself mentally translating to close reasons I understand.
 
@halfer see the post on the starboard
tl;dr yes, A/B
 
@StephenKennedy Ah nice, ta
 
@halfer re your comment here I'd bet a dollar they're asking about 3rd party plugins so even if not too broad it'll be off topic. I might even risk a pound! (Assuming we're still in the halcyon days when a pound is worth more than a dollar)
 
6:56 PM
@halfer SE appears to be fairly set on using the new close reasons (along with the new post notices). They have declined multiple requests to modify the primary reasons (i.e. those on the first page of the close-dialog). They have been willing to make slight grammar changes to the reasons on the off-topic page of the close-dialog.
Personally, I find the replacements for "unclear" and "too broad" to be significantly less clear than the old reasons, both for people voting/flagging to close and, I expect, for new users.
In addition, I don't like the change from "primarily opinion based" to just "opinion based". I think "opinion based" is already used a bit too much for questions which have a component of opinion, but which can be based primarily on the expert experience of the users answering. Removing the "primarily" from the close reason name significantly de-emphasizes that "some degree of opinion based on expert experience" is actually OK, even if the detailed close-reason text retains that wording.
 
@StephenKennedy Indeed, and before the value of the pound collapses anyway :-(
 
How does SOCVR feel about helping PHP community improve one of the canonicals? This question has at least 2 very good answers, but it also has negatively scoring answers which are providing rather bad recommendations. I was thinking that the question should be protected and the low quality answers deleted, but I don't know if it is the right thing to do.
 
@Makyen I wonder if they have employed psychologists to change the wording in order to make the experience more friendly. That in itself is worthy ideal, but of course it depends on execution.
So "Too Broad" might be considered by new readers to be negative (or even an attack on their work). Thus "Needs More Focus" could be considered to be more (a) attainable and (b) positive. However there are some questions - maybe even most of them - where giving the impression it can be fixed may be unhelpful.
It may just be better for us to develop TamperMonkey scripts to inject translations into the close dialogue, so we can see what each one really means ;-)
 
@halfer Yeah, I plan to update the one I was using that modified the close-dialog. I haven't gotten around to it yet. Although, I have worked on a new one to modify the post notices, but that's been a bit frustrating, due to the post notices being a target that's moved multiple times.
 
@Makyen I sympathise - you have way more patience than I do :-/
 
7:06 PM
:-;
@Dharman Deletion of answers is a 20k/moderator/LQP review queue task. Particularly for 20k delete votes on answers, for anything that isn't obviously NAA/VLQ/spam it takes being a subject matter expert (SME). While I'm not saying you shouldn't post a del-pls in here for some answers, I expect that it would be much better post such requests in a PHP focused room, where most of the people will be SMEs.
For me, voting to delete an answer which isn't clearly NAA/VLQ is mostly an evaluation of if the answer is causing harm, not just that it's not a good answer. To answer "is this harmful" really requires SME.
 
 
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10:10 PM
@StephenKennedy congrats for the 10k rep. Also congrats for the quality of the NAA flagging.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Thank you - and thanks for all your hard work. I'm seeing your name a lot now I can view deleted answers :)
 
Ah yw, and not sure seeing deleted answers is a privilege sometimes 😀
 
lol, quite
 
Heh
 
10:18 PM
sometimes logging off is the only way to check answers without pollution...
but that's the point of gaining moderation privileges too.
note that you're preserved from spam / rude answers. You have to click on them to see them. Mods see them right away. ouch
 
I am trying to get used to the new placement of the off-topic banner. If the page is somewhat scrolled vertically, it can hide the fact that the question has been recently closed, and then I edit it, putting it inadvertently in the Reopen Queue. Hmm...
 
and the old banner/reasons pop up too from time to time. Very strange.
is this valid for a typo? OP not calling function/not passing any parameter and expecting this to work? stackoverflow.com/questions/58793462/will-not-call-properly
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Thank you. Was wondering if my observations were wrong on that one. Been monitoring it for almost a week.
 
@Nkosi nope, it wasn't. So well written that Bhargav taught me to check for plagiarism in that case. And also was clearly a sock puppet. But didn't appear in our tools directly. So thanks for reporting.
 
Can someone move this to the graveyard? It was closed.
 
10:29 PM
np. glad to help. I have a list of a few others that I am staking out. They create so many it is hard at time to find the links back to the master account.
 
But there are always bread crumbs and the fact that they cant resist countering down votes.
The not experienced ones at least. :P
 
@Nkosi we tend to give bigger suspensions to the stealthy bastards. We leave the obvious sock voting noobs getting away with a warning. Just because it was easy to catch them.
But Martijn spends a lot of time trying to hunt cheaters. And when he finds them, ... of course the suspension is proportional to the time spent investigating.
 
:)
I have this one I am tracking with 8 deleted socks so far. The most recent active one is trying to keep a low profile.
 
I like busting a sock network, then visiting the master profile and see "user removed -1000" or a question asked by the master, answered by a sock, expanding the votes showing reversal, proving that deletion of socks cancelled votes.
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@ZF007 please use tags
 
10:38 PM
thanks.. there is a live edit on it so I can't tag it.
 
that's me editing your request :)
 
;-)
 
also I think the reason should be on the same line. and be careful with the comments saying you're putting the question on hold. OP could target you
 
well let's see if the archiver picks it up...
 
anyway, Q was bad, I closed it. and the archiver did not catch it. I edited it in the trash (such dedication :))
 
10:41 PM
Cheers.
 
np. SOCVR needs people like you to report bad Qs. You can install Makyen cv helper scripts to automate your requests. They're cool as they integrate seamlessly in SO pages.
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(obviously I uninstalled them 😀 but I kept roomba forecaster)
 
ok finally seeing the new banners.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre We'll have that made up into a recruitment poster, with your photo on it
 
Is it live or still being A-B Tested
 
@StephenKennedy let me guess: with the finger pointing at the viewer?
 
10:45 PM
I don't know what to make of the kerfuffle here (comment caught by a bot in SOBotics)
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Of course!
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I would like to ask a question while you are here. What should be do with answers that link to an exe or zip file? NAA?
 
@Dharman well, you have my answer I think :)
 
Flag for mod attention?
 
Actually, if we had the time, we could delete with a comment: please insert your code here instead of a link & flag for moderation when done.
Yes, flag (note: it was already flagged by 2 people)
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre NAA or custom?
 
10:49 PM
But I feel that if people put a link instead of pasting the code, that's because the code is HUGE. I'd say NAA (link only)
Cody once told me: if the answer with the link stripped off doesn't help you then it's not an answer
Moderator tools show flagged answers/questions with the links highlights stripped off (unless you expand them). Helps a lot.
 
That's the logic I use too
 
My new logic is: open mod tools, search for "Stephen Kennedy" flags, delete.
 
Possibly came to me from Bhargav, or I saw it on meta
delete Stephen Kennedy?
 
Bhargav, Cody, Martijn helped me a lot.
 
Don't worry, it's another Stephen Kennedy :=/
 
10:51 PM
@StephenKennedy no, I mean: delete flagged posts by you :)
 
lol
 
Well, I can't seem to express that properly... I mean "delete posts that you flagged".
 
lol I understood you the first time, don't worry ;)
 
More generally when the flags come from SOCVR members, there's not much declining.
 
shhhhhhh
 
10:53 PM
And some of the flag bots are quite accurate.
 
I mean: I check the posts, not only the flaggers ! but it helps.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I flagged few posts wrongly recently, so I would not mark them as helpful blindly
 
Yes, a lot of my flags are thanks to Natty. Ofc there's still a human element as Natty sometimes reports false positives.
I don't have autoflag turned on tho, all my flags are manually raised
 
@Dharman I think I declined one or 2 flags from you. It surprised me as the ratio is generally good. Well, I suppose you were testing us :)
 
@Nkosi Still being tested AFAIK. I'm seeing the old messages still (after a day or so of the new, at the beginning)
 
10:58 PM
ok I was seeing the old one up to when i just updated chrome. now I am seeing the new ones.
was seeing old on desktop and new on mobile but now seeing new on desktop since update.
 
that's not the only bad news you'll be getting today if you just updated Chrome
 
@Nkosi I was alternatively seeing the old & new ones all week.
 
see what they did to the tab context menu
 
when the "no downvote" experiment was on, at work I was still seeing the downvotes too...
 
shudders
 
11:01 PM
@StephenKennedy oh the humanity
 
Does that count as plagiarim? stackoverflow.com/a/51665800/1839439
 
@Dharman 100% yes
 

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