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12:00 AM
 
12:22 AM
@Yam OP deleted and reposted edited question.
 
I really have to stay away from . That tag is just begging for very snarky comments. Hey, could we rename this tag to ""?
 
lol. You know you are going to end back there. :P they are already embedded into your skin.
 
 
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1:57 AM
@Nkosi Yeah, it's like a 1L mug of icecream. I know I should not buy it, but I do. I know I should not eat straight from the mug, but I do. I know I should not use the big spoon, but I do. And finally, I know I should do training to get rid at least of 10% of the calories, but I don't.
 
 
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4:48 AM
am I going insane or is this lacking mcve? stackoverflow.com/questions/50780583/… it has an upvote
 
@YvetteColomb The upvote (and upvotes on many junk questions) is disturbing...
 
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@JimGarrison ikr and they throw me, I think is there something in the technology that has drastically changed that I don't know about
 
When I post on SOCVR I scan the page for other and VTC if I agree (which I do about 99% of the time). It has gotten quite disturbing how many of these questions have at least one upvote. Clearly the avalanche of users who want SO to be what it is not has overwhelmed the site's self-moderation capacity, and longtime users (like me) are spending less and less time here since it's become a cesspool for GMTC, What's an NPE, and NACWDIS (not-a-clue-where-do-i-start)
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5:43 AM
@YvetteColomb Definitely no MCVE - you're at least as sane as I am.
 
 
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7:24 AM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre :-|
 
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7:52 AM
@EJoshuaS thanks! :)
 
> What does hell look like?
> hell looks like a typical gray sunday morning full of linked list questions.
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8:58 AM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre We have gray sky too and it's not going away soon, but I am lucky to not follow ;)
 
@Vega: not really following right now :) was debugging an old classic game to add features. At least some interesting coding in there.
 
9:38 AM
 
9:50 AM
@feelingunwelcome I wonder if the boilerplate comment on that one (After you have reached the end of your rope and the pain of not having the answer exceeds the vast amount of shame received by posting your question) could do with a rewrite? It is hyperbole, and I wonder if the tongue-in-cheek recommendation of "shame" is not going to translate well.
FWIW the answer from which that is quoted is good when it is properly understood. I wonder if we could put a better version in the auto-comments? raw.githubusercontent.com/SO-Close-Vote-Reviewers/auto-comments/…
 
10:18 AM
@StephenKennedy LoL.
 
a new bee buzz
 
11:00 AM
Meh... 13 hours to wait before I get more cv's :(
 
@Vega around?
 
@StephenKennedy Yes :) ?
 
I'm inclined to reject as it doesn't explain why the tag should not be used nor suggest any alternatives. However: pending tag wiki edits can be re-edited. If you fancy adding that info I can refresh and reassess :)
 
@StephenKennedy I checked the questions with . It's mistakenly used for angular material for 90%+ cases and 10% for materialize. There is no package angular-materilize. There is materilize but it's not specific to angular. This tag is misleading and should not be used.
 
@Vega Bear in mind most folks will get no further than viewing the excerpt in a tooltip (if they even get that far) so I think it would be best to add the explanation of what tags to use and why not to use this particular tag to the excerpt. Thoughts?
 
11:23 AM
@StephenKennedy Where is the appropriated place for the explanation? Edit summary?
 
@Vega In the excerpt itself, imho. You can go back and edit it again, the system should allow that.
Something like what you put in the wiki body (with no markup; [tag]s inside square brackets) should be fine.
 
@StephenKennedy Thank you. I did it :)
 
11:49 AM
@StephenKennedy This tag is nonsense, as it is not even clear which language is used. For C, the description in the edit is completely wrong. We should burninate the tag. Wasn't there a non-bureaucratic way for tags with less than 50 questions?
 
@Olaf Hi Olaf. Not sure about the threshold number of questions but yes there is an expedited burnination process if (iirc) a subject matter expert approves
 
12:11 PM
@StephenKennedy Well, I think for this tag I could say I am. And reading some of the first questions, it is clear their problems don't even relate to isdigit. It's a nonsense tag, I'll work through the questions.
 
@Olaf less then 50 and you should have talked with some other member that knows that tag.
> you have authoritative knowledge of all technologies relevant to the tag, have conferred with at least one other trusted community member, and are dealing with a tag that has a small number of questions (< 50), then you can go ahead and remove it yourself or with a little ad hoc help.
 
@rene Well, maybe I should have made that more clear, but I think most of us here do know that function/method/whatever well enough to be considered "expert". It's a common function. Nevertheless, the first questions I checked are not even about this function. They just happen to use it, but it's not what they ask about.
 
I certainly think that asking here should this be burned and no one starts yelling at you, you fulfilled the have conferred requirement.
 
Anyway, I herby officially ask if there is an expert about isdigit and if we should burninate the tag. It's not only pointless, but also most ambiguous, as it's not even related to a specific programming language.
@rene As always, you were a bit faster typing ;-)
 
I can only see 2 questions, the rest is hidden probably for being in the c tag.
those 2 questions don't make me think that the tag is really needed.
 
12:21 PM
I'll let this settle until I had breakfast, if that's ok. Until now, I handled only some questions which are clearly not related to the tag.
 
But I'm more an isletter expert ...
@Olaf I thought you were in my timezone?
 
@rene I am :-) Hmm, does bread and tea qualify for "brunch"?
 
You must have had a rough night then ;)
@Olaf works for me
 
@rene Actually not. I finally got some good sleep, after the lat days were problematic due to the heat. Plus, I'm a night person. Nothing I try to change this even a bit seems to shift me back to my natural cycle after some days eventually. I'd be fine if our society would just accept us owls.
@rene Fine, so I'm buttering, salmoning and horse-radishing some slices of bread, make some tea and have brunch.
@rene You should extend your knowledge to isallthesame.
 
12:43 PM
Plop Sunday morning everyone
 
@PaulStenne replop
 
@Olaf Wassup?
 
plop
 
1:07 PM
@Enzokie Just added code after I voted. MCVE?
 
@Machavity That was a month ago and there's no activity, Plus, it's the same user as your previous request. Explain?
13 days ago is also borderline, leave it to the queue
 
@PaulStenne Ah, I hadn't noticed they were the same user. Stumbled on [car] by accident and was closing the recent ones about cars (just wrote a Meta about renaming the tag)
 
@PaulStenne I'll start a simple burnination of soon. See chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/42873850#42873850 ff
 
@Machavity The code is almost good yet the error s(he) facing is a nullpointer. It seems not the code that causes the issue.
 
@Olaf Okay, enjoy
@Machavity Got it, thanks for the explanation =)
 
1:11 PM
I will leave a little comment in the OP's question. Thanks for the update :)
 
1:24 PM
Can I request a peer review for a tag edit I made here? (it's for a burnination)
 
@Olaf Sure, please do (with context).
 
tag-wiki edited for burnination (quick way procedure due to less than 50 questions before starting). I'd mostly wanted to prevent the tag to be used again and add the reason why the tag is pointless. stackoverflow.com/tags/isdigit/info (both edits, to the info and the description need seperate approval)
 
2:05 PM
@Yam I will remove my flag.
Any online ROs please remove my CV thanks :)
 
Thanks rene :)
 
yw
 
3:01 PM
The joys of Sunday Homework Dumps. It has the place on fire. :P
 
3:27 PM
@Nkosi I've no downvotes, no closevotes :(
 
@MartinJames Yep I guess that is how it goes.
 
4:25 PM
@feelingunwelcome, @MartinJames, @Zoe, @Vega, @Makyen A question we close-voted, which was as a result of a cv-pls, is being discussed on Meta.
 
Zoe
Thanks for the heads up
 
5:09 PM
Re the above offensive answer: ha, Charcoal is working then? :=)
 
5:51 PM
@halfer Not sure why your edit got rolled back
 
@Machavity Thanks, I'll handle
(I don't know either).
 
7:15 PM
Anyone know if there's a way to be notified when one of your automatic flagging conditions for smokey has been disabled?
 
7:27 PM
Return of the killer tomatoes cucumbers: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/369270/…
 
7:43 PM
I wonder if it would be useful to prevent askers from voting on answers to their questions
 
@JohnDvorak why? If an answer doesn't meet their requirements shouldn't they be able to down vote at least?
 
@rene Perhaps. But upvotes often seem unwarranted.
 
You can give it a try on meta. Not sure if it is very welcoming ...
 
@JohnDvorak It's a good point. They don't get reps, but the upvote could trigger the lemming-effect.
 
@JohnDvorak in that case, just remove the right to accept an answer...
 
7:49 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I'd support that, too
 
my advice: don't try that on meta, unless you like downvotes
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I support the "too much importance on the fact that the answer is accepted"
 
"beat me, please beat me!" :-)
 
I said "support", not "propose"
I would never propose that. I would support it ten times a day.
 
@JohnDvorak In other words: You stand behind everyone proposing this, just to push him into the flames and be the first to retreat ;-).
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@JohnDvorak yes sometimes it's annoying to see someone get 25 rep for a stupid question.
A sound thing to do would be to register the OP vote, but only make it could if someone else upvotes.
but too complex. Let's not be blinded by the corner cases. If a question is stupid/duplicate just close it, and ask for deletion here.
 
7:52 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre That's calling for even more sock-puppets.
 
see: Olaf found a loophole in 30 seconds...
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Unless they whine on meta about the oh so unwelcoming community.
@Jean-FrançoisFabre No surprise, I'm an experts with socks and holes
 
@Olaf I've got some job for you then. Expect a package soon.
Is your DV strike over?
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Where did I imply I'm an expert unholing socks?
 
sorry, I overestimated your sewing skills.
 
7:55 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Not really.
 
My alternate technique is just throw them away, buy other ones.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Actually … … it's more a motivation problem.
 
My mother likes to fix stuff like that.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Hmm, care to post her address? ;-)
(I just have the image of daily deliveries of large boxes with socks from the folks in this room)
If I stuff anything at all, it's ducks, chicken and the like with delicious things.
 
Sorry, she'll have to visit you to do the job. I wouldn't recommend that.
@Olaf you seem to be a chef. Specialist in meat, but also in all kinds of green vegetables.
 
8:01 PM
@River If you are pingable in Charcoal HQ (i.e. semi-recently active in the room), you will be notified when your autoflagging conditions are disabled either automatically or manually.
 
@Olaf but you can send her your finest shirts to iron. Expect return in 6 to 8 weeks.
 
8:24 PM
@Makyen oh, that's good to know. Maybe I'll say something in there so it can see me. Any idea how long you stay pingable for?
 
7 days or so
 
6-8 days
 
Tee hee
Memes never die.
 
:3
Plop evening
 
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8:28 PM
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@halfer tag:
 
@rene good spot!
 
Still feels fresh to see people typing the requests
 
8:46 PM
@River I'm not sure. Brief testing indicates at least 10 days, but not as many as 14.
 
@Yam Still too broad
 
9:23 PM
Hello! I have a question that involves duplicate questions/answers, and I'm hoping someone here can help me solve this problem appropriately. Yesterday, while trying to diagnose bad build problems, I noticed a couple of recent unanswered SO questions that seemed related. I upvoted the questions and meanwhile kept digging for an answer.
Anyway, I eventually found an answer that worked, and posted it to both questions. One answer has been marked correct, and the other has received one upvote.
 
Uh, odd
 
However, this morning, I noticed that both questions were asked by the same person!!!
And it seems wrong to have two almost-identical questions that were asked by the same person and answered by the same person.
So what's the best way to handle this?
 
So apparently a user decided to post the same question twice, with your first link being more recent
 
First you should avoid posting answers twice - Duplicating knowledge is useless
 
9:26 PM
Noted.
 
The way to handle this is simply to flag to close the question as duplicate
 
@RapunzelVanWinkle It does not matter if question asked by same or different, duplicate question is duplicate, don't answer both
 
Since one has your answer accepted let's close it as duplicate of the other one
 
Should I delete the other answer then, and just lose the 10 rep points?
 
9:28 PM
I will also leave a comment to the author
 
@techraf should not we close the one without accepted answer
 
@RapunzelVanWinkle It'd be better but it's all up to you
@MunimMunna Meh, we can also close towards the older one
 
I'll delete one duplicate answer, as soon as there's a consensus about which I should do.
 
There's no point in gaining consensus there, it's your answer and your decision
 
But is it even possible to close a question as a duplicate if it has an accepted answer?
 
9:31 PM
@RapunzelVanWinkle Yes
In that case you might want to keep the upvoted one over the accepted one as it's where the target is going to point, so it's going to have more attention
 
@RapunzelVanWinkle keep the upvoted answer, because the other one is going to be closed and will be taken care of
 
Sounds like you're talking about a shop which hasn't paid the protection fee
 
hahaha
I'm tempted to keep both up for now. This was a very thorny build problem that just started breaking things out of the blue. It turned out to have an easy solution, but was by no means obvious at the time - and it's likely to hit many other Android developers over the course of the next few days.
(Though that may be all the more reason to create a single canonical answer?)
 
What Munim hinted at above is that the duplicate may be deleted once closed, so it wouldn't really matter
You can keep both up and just come back to it later
 
Sounds good. Thanks for your expert advice! It looks like I came to the right place to ask this question.
 
9:39 PM
Is this answer spam? As I commented: it doesn't come close to answering, and the tutorial website is not the official MATLAB documentation on if or their official tutorial. I'm hesitant to flag (as anything) since it's not clear whether the OP is related in any way to this site
 
@RapunzelVanWinkle If you plan to improve your answer improve the upvoted one, when the duplicated one closed moderators can decide to delete it altogether. And you cannot delete the accepted answer, as it is accepted, so right now, you don't need to do anythng :P
 
@RapunzelVanWinkle No problem, glad we could help. Feel free to hang around and have a chat or ask more questions =)
@Adriaan No point in flagging thanks to Roomba
 
Aha! I knew there was some subtlety about the situation: "you cannot delete the accepted answer"
 
@MunimMunna I completely forgot about the inability to delete accepted answers
... it's been a while since I answered anything
 
@PaulStenne I know it'll roomba, I was wondering more in terms of mod intervention. Although when the OP has no priors I doubt this thing is enough for them to act on. I'll let it Roomba
 
9:46 PM
I guess VLQ?
I think it'd work
 
@Adriaan I think duplicates don't get to roomba, plus it has accepted answer too
 
@MunimMunna what are you talking about? Dupes will roomba given a certain set of circumstances, plus, did you even bother clicking the link? it's not a dupe, nor has an accepted answer.
 
@Adriaan Munim thought you were joining our previous conversation, not following-up on your CV
 
@Adriaan sorry, I thought it were the other question
 
10:14 PM
@feelingunwelcome This is currently involved in a Meta discussion, which started after the question was closed as a result of a cv-pls here. IMO, it's not appropriate for us to have it re-requested again here, as we don't want to participate as a group in a open/close war. In addition, the post is now locked, making it impossible for people to close-vote, which also makes a cv-pls request invalid.
 
10:52 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I just like good food. If that happens to include vegetables, so be it. The colour doesn't matter as long it's a natural colour of the food. E.g. green is normally not a good colour for meat. But no, I'm not a chef and I can't be one. I can't really reproduce what I cook, it tastes different each time. Nevertheless my friends come more than once for dinner.
@YvetteColomb I understand stackoverflow.com/questions/50782221/… had excessive comments. Nevertheless I don't think it's a good signal to lock it so it can't be closed. It would also have been better to leave at least the comment pointing at the meta-post at the question. Intended or not, this tells OP he is fine asking such questions and self-answers. At least you could have moved the comments to a chat, so they were not lost.
 
user3956566
11:14 PM
@Olaf it will still be there in 23 hours, ready to pounce on and close. If the community cannot contain their comments or voting patterns within meta and it spills onto the main site, that's not really my fault. Mods cannot site on a post and continue to delete comments.
 
Oh
Plop Yvette
 
<pounce mode off> ;-)
Time for me to hit the hay, g'night all
\o
 
night o/
 
o7
 
11:36 PM
@YvetteColomb Hmm, then it must have happend after I checked the question myself. If I understand you correctly, the lock will last only 24 hours? Well, fine, I can live with this. Sorry then, I didn't know locks are time-constrained. Nevertheless, why not move the comments to a chat, but completely delete them? Or at least keep the first ones which were related to the question afair (at least until the meta-post).
@halfer Just have a watergun under your pillow. Meta might haunt you otherwise;-)
 
@Olaf Nah, Meta are harmless little lambs! :-)
The grumpy ones just need a tickle under their chin from time to time.
 
user3956566
@PaulStenne hi
 
user3956566
@Olaf they can be locked for varying time periods, included indefintely
 
Wassup my dear lady?
 
user3956566
nothing
 
user3956566
11:39 PM
just on the mod flag queue
 
user3956566
how are you
 
user3956566
I'll have a skype with you later in the week
 

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