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12:33 AM
 
12:52 AM
Hi all! o/
I think I need advice on a poor question I have stake in. It's really bad and rightfully closed, but it has a lot of views and my (noob time, forgive me) answer keeps getting upvoted.
May I ask if/how we can salvage it?
Q has positive score by now even, despite being quite poor. It appears to be de facto useful.
 
1:12 AM
@BaummitAugen Asking what to do/what can be done is fine. An actual request (e.g. cv-pls) is what's not permitted. There's a grey area where the question phrasing could be an implicit request. Where that line is, isn't clear. Based on discussions after the last issue, we're going to be taking a more "wait and see" attitude than previously (i.e. monitor, as possible, if any such questions result in SOCVR effectively being a self-interested voting ring, or to provide advantage to the asker).
 
@Makyen Thanks. Actually, I'm not sure whether I should ask here or in the Lounge (where I'm far from a regular) to begin with. It would certainly not be a request for action though, as, without any major change to the Q, action would be incorrect.
It's a bad Q; if posted like this today, I'd cv+dv, but it seems to be consistently useful somehow..
Link to Q timeline; I'm quite unsure how to salvage that...
The most likely reason for this being useful is people writing std::vetor<T> v; v.size; instead of v.size(). I can make an MCVE for that, but I'm not sure if I should.
But it's also possible people got confused by some unsigned->signed conversion warning. I could make an MCVE for that too, but what to do actually? XD
 
@BaummitAugen Well, it doesn't seem that bad. There's only your answer, so we don't have to worry about invalidating a bunch of disparate answers. The question could be edited to include code to more clearly show what the OP is asking (i.e. the MCVE which you mentioned). If your answer covers both cases, or if you're willing to make your answer cover both cases, then you could add both.
 
I could include both MCVEs in the Q and tailor my answer to the edited Q no problem.
So I guess just go for it?
 
@BaummitAugen Seems like a reasonable plan. It should definitely make the Q&A more useful and valuable to future readers, which is the basic point. :-)
 
Alright, thanks. Gimme a sec. :)
 
1:45 AM
Edits done. Any suggestions for improvement?
 
2:00 AM
@BaummitAugen That looks good. About all I'd do is add colons to the text you're using in the question to introduce each code block, but that's a minor grammar thing. I'm not sure I'd bother doing an edit just for that. Both the question and answer look good, with the question dramatically improved.
 
Added the colons. Thanks for the advice!
 
@BaummitAugen np. I'm happy to help get that much improvement in a post. Good job!
 
Thanks. =D
 
I just joined @rene at 30K!
 
\o/
5k more to full rep-based privileges. :)
 
2:16 AM
Well, 20K was disappointing... what happens at 35K?
 
The last delvote. So not a lot, sadly. XD
I found 20k pretty neat though, 25k was pretty lame.
 
@Mogsdad \o/ Congrats!
 
3:11 AM
I got 10k tools on Lit.SE - unfortunately, there aren't a lot of flagrantly bad questions there, so I rarely have a reason to vote to delete. I'm looking forward to getting them here, too.
@Machavity I love it... "must enjoy closing things." Does that imply 3K rep on at least one site (or, at a minimum, participation in a private beta)?
 
@Mogsdad stackoverflow.com/… - 100% worthless w/ no Roomba
@Mogsdad Seems like all of the unanswered closed questions that won't Roomba should just be deleted.
 
...I only get so many delete votes per day, and I use all of them!
That will go away on its own, without delete votes.
 
@KenWhite Should that be flagged as rude/abusive?
 
@Mogsdad: Yeah, realized that as soon as I posted. Was going to delete the request as you wrote.
 
Great minds... something, something.... waffles.
 
3:38 AM
That's got to be trolling... it's too obviously absurd not to be.
 
@EJoshuaS I thought about it, but looked at the poster's profile. They only have one other post, and it's on topic here.
 
@KenWhite All the more reason they should know better IMHO... seems like trolling to me.
 
@EJoshuaS I'd thought of that when I first saw it yesterday. That's why I looked at the profile. One previous post doesn't necessarily imply familiarity. Maybe they were just excited (or disappointed).
 
I was doing Real Analysis homework and only saw part of the actual game, but I will admit to feeling some degree of schadenfreude myself...
 
Eh, with some reasonable post involved, I'd vote for benefit of doubt on that one.
Unless there's some sign for repeated offense.
 
4:05 AM
Talking about chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/41156653#41156653 there, if that was unclear. XD
 
4:29 AM
@SmokeDetector that escalated quickly... user is prob going to get question banned soon
 
 
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5:30 AM
@SurajRao I assumed they want codez to do that = too broad
 
@JohnDvorak ohk thats a way to look at it..
I didnt make that connection.. its not really that clear
 
5:44 AM
^ if OP didnt have rep I would have thought spam
 
 
2 hours later…
7:53 AM
Morning \o
 
8:16 AM
@Mogsdad a knock on your door ...
 
 
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Ron
10:34 AM
SO is slow.
 
SO slow
 
Unplug it, wait a minute and plug it back in.
 
not sure about the last step, @Nkosi
 
If that fails take out the cartridge give it a good blow and put it back.
:)
 
Ron
Haha, true.
 
10:41 AM
click the "support" link in the "problems" section of the web site and you will find sixteen different phone numbers for different scenarios, none of which even remotely resembles yours
 
Ron
True.
Nothing beats a good night sleep.
 
good night sleep? what's that?
 
does someone here have a good stash of Javascript duplicates? This question deserves one. stackoverflow.com/questions/48683565/…
 
Ron
@MartinJames Don't succumb to veggie nomenclature as proposed by one of your fellow peers ;)
@MartinJames I got asked about MISRA on yesterday C++ job interview. Well at least it was advertised as a C++ job.
I ran out screaming: "Get these double pointers off of me."
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11:01 AM
@Ron I would like all those who say 'don't typedef pointer types' to get in a ring with the 'don't use double pointers' set, and let them fight it out:)
 
@MartinJames What would be the pointer of that? :P
 
Ron
C with in memory linked classes is all I see in this corner of the world. The level of elegance present on SO is nowhere to be find IRL.
 
wierd that my cv request got upvoted
 
dur
11:27 AM
@SurajRao I guess the comment (not my comment) explains it.
 
@dur ? I am not seeing any comment in that question...
 
dur
@SurajRao Sorry, my fault. I looked at the wrong question. Too many tabs open.
 
11:52 AM
 
12:39 PM
^ that is a sd f
 
@iBug we don't do meta, sorry
 
Sam
1:42 PM
Afternoon o/
 
Morning
 
What should I flag non-English questions as?
 
@JakeSymons VLQ or vote to close as unclear
 
morning
 
@gunr2171 Afternoon
 
1:50 PM
day
 
so I got a new watch face for my smartwatch that hooks up to Outlook on my phone. This is what it looks like. The dot is the current time (12 hour) and the lines are all the meetings today. Ugh.
(it's in the "low power" mode)
 
lol
ah meetings
looks neat
 
Leave it to gunr to get a watch that shows meetings
7
 
here's the "on" version
@Machavity I mean, I've got to stay on top of planning
 
@Machavity and it is probably hooked up to update the site. "is @gunr2171 in a meeting?". checks watch.
 
2:15 PM
inb4 plop
also, afk meeting time
 
@gunr2171 we know ...
 
@Mogsdad it took me a minute to get it
I was thinking 'what's wrong with saying someone tried something but their attempt was in vain? And why does that make them a help vampire?'
Then 'ohhhh, in vein. blood. vampire. got it'
 
I wonder if 'webmasters.se' is sick of SEO garbage redirected from SO by now?
 
2:32 PM
Is there anyone not sick of SEO?
 
Ron
Business owners probably.
#seowho?
 
Why are we not the first result in Google and why haven't you fixed that?
 
Only the freshest of men can use IntelliJ stackoverflow.com/questions/13907801/…
 
@rene We're gonna have a meeting about that
 
someone tell gunr
 
2:41 PM
@TylerH His watch already knows
 
@gunr2171 I hope when you put on this new smart watch that you said the sacred words, "and now my watch begins"
@Adriaan Ice cream does sound nice...
 
 
2 hours later…
Elon Musk earns $50K a year in salary o.o
Because he can't earn any less by state law :thonk:
 
@Compass So that news article about him not taking a salary for the next 5 years because of last quarter's earning loss is bogus? #fakenews. lol
 
5:01 PM
@GrumpyCrouton ninjad ;)
 
@PetterFriberg Oh I didn't even see that!
 
np, that stuff happens..
 
..aaand 'Please dont write stupid racist people !' goes into the black museum for the next 'SO rude to new users' meta.
 
5:17 PM
^Discloses affiliation and appears to answer the OP's question
 
Yeah, the question is smelly, but that answer isn't spam.
 
@EJoshuaS Not so sure about that. It is quite constrained. The OP is just looking for the proper api within shazam.
 
@Compass Maybe he has some investment income to top up his salary? Some shares in companies, maybe? :)
 
Oh, I see the "we can't find that question" page image has been changed
 
5:33 PM
You mean this, @gunr2171?
 
yes
well, I guess it's any 404
 
I still like the "solving ur problems" page, though.
 
That's for errors though
 
@rene Creepy. I like it!
 
knocks on door
 
5:35 PM
Not yet...
 
Oh ... hides
 
The @rene only knocks twice
 
Thing is, you open the door, and see nothing. Just a flower, lying on the mat.
Still, better than a burning bag of poo!
Which reminds me, to the CVQ!
 
@Mogsdad Close batteries to power, atomic turbines to speed...
 
@Mogsdad this sounds like a classic text-based adventure
why do we allow anonymous suggested edits?
 
5:54 PM
@gunr2171 Good question :)
 
I'd love to see the metrics for approved/rejected/spam suggested edits by anon, but that data (deleted items) isn't going to be in SEDE
 
@gunr2171 Great question!
 
@gunr2171 must be a meta about that already, I can't phantom it not being questioned earlier
 
@gunr2171 'You are standing in the Android tag. You are surrounded by a maze of twisty little questions, all alike'
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6:10 PM
@gunr2171 Shog did a post (fairly recently on MSE I think) regarding the 4 essential things a user with no reputation (or even an account sometimes) should be able to do and why...
 
@JonClements Create an account, read posts, generate income through ads, create an account?
 
Quick question, API comes under off site resource doesn't it - stackoverflow.com/questions/48692123/…
 
@JakeSymons I would say so, yes.
 
Ron
6:50 PM
Rather questionable downvotes on something that is really an interesting question. Please consider reopening, request is two lines up.
 
@Ron A faulty MCVE does that.
 
Ron
@E_net4 I see. Pity actually.
 
@Ron IIRC you are expected to state why it should be reopened, instead of the original close reason.
 
Ron
@E_net4 I see. Let me repost
Still no MCVE but close. The question itself holds value imho.
What about reopen requests on questions one has stakes in?
 
@Ron Sure. OTOH the question won't be roomba'd either, so it's not a great loss if it isn't reopened.
 
 
1 hour later…
8:06 PM
@Ron not allowed;) only bring neutral stuff to room
or ask about general advice
 
@PetterFriberg Not liking "them from the south" is that neutral? :P
 
You bet :)
 
@Ron As @PetterFriberg mentioned, SOCVR specifically doesn't permit people making requests about posts in which they have an interest (i.e. that you've asked or answered, or for edits which you've made). Please see #15 in the FAQ.
 
@JakeSymons I'd go with POB over resource
 
Ron
8:21 PM
@PetterFriberg Noted. Thanks.
 
And now all the homework questions start :)
 
@Ron yw, how's life, new job?
 
@SmokeDetector mhm, OP is ecstatic about that post, even though it's mainly LO with awesome pics
@PetterFriberg that makes me miss the stadium, the excitement, the yelling at the fans of them
 
@Adriaan oooh yeah to many years that I'm not along side the rink.. Now Olympics maybe I manage to see some gamez
 
@PetterFriberg in Korea?!?
 
8:36 PM
Yeah, no clue but there is always hockey... has nhl taken a pause?
 
@PetterFriberg no, that's the sad part. It's going to be a B-tournament. No NHLers there
 
Argh that's sad
 
Times are good for us Europeans (at least for me) games start at 16:00 and 21:00 local time, which is 08:00 and 13:00 for us
just the final is horrible :P
 
But I will try to watch some anyway it's my only opportunity
What time is it?
 
@PetterFriberg man, I watch two times a week :P Just saw Luleå beat Brynäs, finally
 
8:38 PM
@Adriaan Internet?
 
@PetterFriberg 13:00 local time iirc, so good for Canada/US, bad for us (02:00)
@PetterFriberg of course. Not an official stream, probably illegal in the rest of the world, but our government hasn't banned streaming (yet)
 
If Sweden in final I will take the day off..
@Adriaan does Holland have a team in Korea?
 
Ron
@PetterFriberg Not bad, thanks for asking. Looks like I will need to pack my bags and leave SE Europe as there is no C++ development here.
 
@Ron Don't leave switch to c# :)
 
^^ this
 
8:46 PM
But yeah a nice trip is always fun
 
@PetterFriberg what is this Holland. I have some mandatory education for you. Otherwise: no, we suck balls in hockey. Our ladies under 18 won the lowest division world champs this year though, where they participated for the first time! Otherwise: we're going to get a lot of medals on speed-skating, but who watches that anyway
 
@Adriaan I know that I can't call it Holland.. did it by purpose since you have been in Sweden ;). Strange your good at skating and land hockey... darn just combine it
 
@PetterFriberg they're trying. They want to participate in the 2030 or 2034 Olympics, though I think even that is a far stretch... The best we managed is getting a team (Tilburg Trappers) into the German third division, which we won three years in a row (we weren't allowed to get promoted the first three years), so hopefully that'll get us some publicity. Otherwise: no, we won't make it :P
 
Nice, try try you will make it... looking forward to Holland vs Sweden :)
no one in Sweden calls it the Netherlands darn it's called Holland, sounds better also
 
@PetterFriberg I know, one of the first things I taught myself in Swedish is how to explain that "Holland" are just two provinces, like Västerbotten and Norrbotten :P
 
8:59 PM
Lol did they listen?
 
@PetterFriberg Some years, [decades] ago, phone call, me: "Hi, I want to renew my travel insurance, I've had a policy with you before but it ran out"...."OK sir, [irrelevant policy no etc conversation], where are you off to?"..."Eindhoven"... "Oh.. where's that?"...."The Netherlands"..............................."I'm sorry sir, we don't have any cover available for that destination"... "WHAT!!! ITS JUST OVER THE NORTH SEA IN EUROPE!"....."Sorry sir, we can't cover you"
 
@PetterFriberg they politely listened, and probably still call it Holland
@MartinJames hehehe, I've had the same when buying stamps in Sweden. "Two Stamps to the Netherlands please" 'Is that in Europe, sir?' (translated from Swedish)
 
@Adriaan lol
 
You see! Time to switch between region and country name...
@Ron Have tried all that SO jobs stuff?
 
Ron
@PetterFriberg I will completely shift my focus towards it. As of yesterday, domestic jobs no longer interest me.
 
9:05 PM
@Ron if you don't have kids or other family stuff a nice trip abroad is fun... some new fun
 
^ ಠ~ಠ
prepares to put on RO shoes
 
waits for it
 
distributes waffles
 
I'm hiding
 
Do I need popcorn?
 
Ron
9:07 PM
@PetterFriberg True.
 
eats waffles
 
off topic: if I want to take a vacation to Europe, which region should I visit and what time frame?
 
Ron
@gunr2171 Anything in NW EU is great. Avoid winter.
 
@gunr2171 Berlin in Summer, (assuming they have an airport open).
 
We will start fighting about that :), nature?, mountain, beach, sun, girls, art, history what is your fun?
 
Ron
9:09 PM
Vienna, whole of Germany, London is always nice.
Oh wait, we are talking about Europe, scratch that last one. @MartinJames ;)
 
@gunr2171 "Europe" that's as big as the US+Canada...
 
Italy it has 1/3 of world heritage and you can stay for free at my place :p
 
London's a shi.. shift from the normal, nice capital city.
 
@PetterFriberg hum......
 
@PetterFriberg Also a lot of wine;)
 
9:11 PM
Yeah if city I prefer Prague or Sevillia
 
@PetterFriberg Never been to Prague, [want to]
 
@MartinJames baah for drinking Germany and Sweden are better:)
 
for the record, I have no desire to drink alcohol. I know, unpopular opinion.
 
@PetterFriberg Sweden's too expensive
@gunr2171 women and narcotics? (Hinthint)
 
uh, "maybe" and "no not even once"
 
9:13 PM
@gunr2171 for sure, I got lots of housing ;)
 
@PetterFriberg Yes, but sometimes you need a break from 15 hefeweizen a day and yearn for a more upmarket hangover:)
 
@PetterFriberg I wonder if I should drag Nathan with me
 
Yeah bring also Jal
 
@MartinJames 15? Those are maß I hope?
 
that also works. Hum, I'll float that idea by them
 
9:14 PM
@gunr2171 party @Rene's house :p
 
@Adriaan but girls? Holland? You need to pay, in Sweden it's free ;)
 
@PetterFriberg why u makin' me mad? U talk to Andras much?
 
Lol yeah we had long talk about gender today :)
 
How do either I or my country fit in there?
 
@PetterFriberg Is 'gender' a git clone?
 
9:17 PM
@Adriaan Said the pink elefant
 
Ron
Let's keep it PC, y'all. Keepin' it real.
I would trade most of Europe for Singapore, loved it there. La isla bonita, Asian version.
 
@gunr2171 you are welcome I got a whole house for you (bought my neighbours house) it's old but you can survive in it ;)
 
Well I want to take a vacation somewhere this year, visiting one of you guys would be a fun bonus.
:D thanks!
 
@PetterFriberg 80% dry now? :P
 
Ron
Aka couch surfing.
 
9:20 PM
and with that, I now have a meeting with my car and the evening commute
 
@gunr2171 you're welcome to stay on my bed-couch, but I bet @rene can offer you a room 25km from here
 
it's a cool stone house foundations before 1000 AD.
 
talking points include "why the F*** did you just cut me off?!?!"
 
@Machavity no heating (only fireplace) but if summer no problem :D
 
/shrug
 
9:34 PM
I would go f, but enough fun for me, bed time cya all!
 
10:03 PM
Hi all! o/
 
Ooh, hi @NathanOliver! o/
Long time no see!
 
Yep. I'm back (in black even today ;) )
 
In chat, mostly, but even Q/A was rare.
Nice.
 
Yeah. Still not entirely active but definitely lurking now.
 
10:11 PM
Having more Mjolnirs back out there would certainly help.
Gotta admit I've been slacking in that regard the last weeks, but then, I've been busy.
 
thats part of what I'm doing. I hammered a question earlier today
 
What's kinda sad news though is that my average score in now exceeds my average score in . How did that happen? XD
 
10:39 PM
@BaummitAugen UB
 
@MartinJames Almost. XD
 
Sam
11:37 PM
 
Ron
@BaummitAugen Hm, apparently I've got 10 points on . I wonder how that happened.
 
@Ron I've got 266. With 35 answers. I feel dirty. XD
 
Ron
Haha.
Scanning to see if I have any . I was careful not to go there.
Nope, nada.
 
@TimCastelijns @EdChum @ColdFire @Adriaan @techraf @ekad A question which you voted to delete is being discussed on Meta in a "Hot Meta Post". A comment has also claimed that the closure was incorrect: @FelixSFD @Cœur @rene @Makyen @PaulRoub
@Makyen Hmmm... That should have pinged me too, but I didn't get a ping. I'd appreciate at least one response from one of the people I pings to inform me as to if the above message resulted in a ping for them. If not, I'll re-post. Perhaps there is a limit to the number of people that can be pinged.
 
I think at most 3 people get pinged.
+-1. XD
 
11:52 PM
@Makyen Or you just cannot ping yourself?
 
You can.
Try :41172337 bla
 
@olaf See if it works.
Nope.
 
@Olaf Yes, you can definitely ping yourself. I've done it before, and used it as a way to test getting SE inbox notifications.
 
Maybe not like this, ok.
 
@4774918 Does the ID work?
Neither
 
11:54 PM
@Olaf bla
Copy the text verbatim.
Without @
 
@Makyen @BaummitAugen @olaf Hmm.
 
Sam
@Olaf You're effectively replying to yourself. It's a different kind of ping.
@Sam Like this.
 
@Makyen Hmmm maybe it's only when you reply to yourself. Let me test.
 
@Olaf bla
 
@Makyen OK. @Olaf It's only when you reply to your own post. My bad. :-)
 
11:56 PM
OMG, I just walked in on a circle-ping. Eww.
 
Sam
Join us...
 
Nah, I'm married.
To my job.
 
@Sam Ok, that works. But I have to copy the post ID manually because there is no reply icon for my own posts. Looks more like an unwanted hack than something one should rely on.
 
Sam
Yeah
@Mogsdad Sounds exciting.
 
@Makyen ^
 
11:58 PM
@Olaf Yeah, but I wrote a userscript that adds the reply button to my own messages, so I guess I got used to being able to do it :-).
 
@Mogsdad Let's start a ping-ring. That reminds me of my IRC days when we comepted who can kick-ban faster.
@Makyen Bah, that's cheating ;-)
 

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