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6:00 AM
Is this R/A?
 
 
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7:14 AM
flag as? If you mean R/A, do report to Smokey
 
@EJoshuaS there were no rude words whatsoever, so maybe 1 flag (yours) was enough.
 
 
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8:58 AM
 
@tink delete votes.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre oh. ok :)
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I run out of delete votes every morning at breakfast.
 
Maybe skip breakfast to extend votes?
 
@Cœur I have 30 delvotes. I usually don't use them all, even after 20 VLQ reviews
 
9:09 AM
I think I have 12-14 delvotes. Do I get more votes by using votes everyday (like with flags), or is it only based on reputation?
 
@Cœur you have to buy them from Amazon, no?
 
@rene I can't unstar an old post. I saw that you tracked down the issue 3.5 years ago, but despite being marked as "fixed", I still experience the bug today: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/262220/…
 
9:28 AM
@Cœur is that a regression then?
 
@rene I guess, unless I'm misunderstanding something regarding how it's supposed to work.
 
@Cœur you went to the transcript and unstarred one of your own messages, right? Open a dev console to see the actual XHR request/repsonses
 
@Cœur Are you trying to unstar something that you starred some time ago? There's a time limit that you can only unstar something within X time of having starred it.
 
@Makyen really? First time I heard that.
> Moderators can destroy only one account every 5 seconds.
Thankfully ...
 
@Cœur 1 delvote per 1k rep up to 40k.
 
9:39 AM
@Makyen Then that may be it: yes, I star it a few days ago.
 
@rene It's always displayed a banner for me when I've tried to unstar something after some period of time (I have not tested for how long). Picking any non-pinned item I've starred in the sidebar and trying to unstar it displays the chat error message "It is too late to undo this operation".
 
Hmm, okay. Are you doing that from the transcript?
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Then I'll try to answer some duplicates until I get to 40k, wait 6 months then delete them all. ;)
35k*
 
@rene Nope, from the popup that is opened from each message in the starboard in the right-sidebar in main chat. I've also gotten that message when trying to unstar a message from within the main list of messages in a room. I have previously successfully tested starring and unstarring from the transcript, search, and user pages, but for unstarring it only works for a moderatly short period of time. The response from the POST is "It is too late to undo this operation".
I assume that the transcript page just doesn't handle the response.
 
I must have tested this then as RO I guess.
 
9:54 AM
I wish they would allow users to self-delete their chat messages for a longer period of time, especially with the very-short time that we have to improve our messages: while we can self-delete posts and comments for as late as we want, chat messages are untouchable after 1 minute or so.
 
@rene If you were testing the unstar route, then, yes, there's no time-limit on that route for ROs, as far as I know. But the star route, when unstarring, has always had a time-limit for me, as a normal user and as an RO.
@Cœur FYI: It's 2 minutes for editing and deleting. Only moderators can edit or delete beyond that limit.
 
I'm not a good fit for being a tester ...
 
You've done a good job from my point of view. Besides, you've got a nice hat. :-)
 
But your avatar is still blurry on my 5k screen. ;)
 
10:19 AM
@Cœur don't try that stunt in the python or C section.
 
11:01 AM
@rene stars are stuck within minutes
 
@AndrasDeak I just tested in the Testing room and as an RO I can remove stars, no matter how old they are
oh, or is that my Userscript
 
That's "cancel stars", not unstarring what you starred
so not RO star clearing, but rather unupvote-like toggle
 
Oh, okay. That makes sense, yes
 
 
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2:37 PM
 
waffles
CV queue for has plenty of questions waiting for review
 
3:09 PM
I'm new to reviewing. I hope this is the correct place to get some help/guidance. Take this question: https://stackoverflow.com/q/53970436/1104307
I gave it an upvote, and commented that it might be a better fit in datascience. Was this right? Should I do something more in order to maybe move it to datascience?
 
@totokaka I would general only suggest other sites: when the question is off-topic for SO and I'm familiar with the scope of the site I suggest. That a question is on-topic else where doesn't make it off-topic here.
 
@totokaka I am familiar with the subject. The question seems to lack an MCVE. It should not be migrated either.
 
@rene is the question on topic for SO? It seems to ask more about theory of machine learning that a specific programming problem
 
it looks like a program problem to me.
But it is not my area of expertise
 
@totokaka If there was a proper example that we could reproduce, the question would've been on-topic here. Note that the use of computational science libraries and frameworks is on-topic, as long as it's a more "technical" concern.
 
3:15 PM
The way I read the question, the asker has some working code copied from somewhere else, that they want to know why works. Seems to me it is a data science theory question.
 
@totokaka In this case, the concern seems to be narrowed down to a dot product using NumPy. The problem here is that we don't have the rest of the code to fully understand the problem.
 
@E_net4wisheshappyholidays Ok
 
Granted, it could be an XY problem. But in its current state, I'll just propose to close as No MCVE.
 
Though in another case, where the question is truly off topic for SO, and on topic for another site. What am I supposed to do when reviewing?
 
@totokaka If you are absolutely sure that the Q is on-topic on, say, Cross Validated, there is a direct way to flag the question to be migrated there. Otherwise, use one of the main closure reasons or a custom one.
 
3:18 PM
Ok, thanks
With an answer like this: https://stackoverflow.com/a/53901261/1104307
Just up vote and move on? Or comment welcome and suggest they include the body of the answer before the code?
 
@totokaka If you think it can be improved, you can suggest an edit yourself. Just be sure to improve it as much as you can. Otherwise, there is nothing wrong with a concrete suggestion in a comment.
 
@E_net4wisheshappyholidays Would it be customary or normal for a review to make edits like that? I think they may seem unnecessary to some people.
 
@Cœur one is an incoming migration. Weird.
 
@totokaka It usually comes down to (1) whether the content you are suggesting an edit to is worth keeping in the first place; and (2) whether the edit improves the content enough. It should not matter how you got to the answer, just as long as you make it good and don't conflict with the author's intent.
 
3:31 PM
I see, thanks for the help
 
3:47 PM
What's the correct way to flag a question that asks about debugging, and is really just a typo? This one, for example: stackoverflow.com/q/53970914/1104307
Or shouldn't it be flagged at all?
 
@totokaka no mcve or unclear would work
 
@totokaka ^ there is a typo reason
 
what he says ^
 
I couldn't find that as an alternative. Now the alternatives have changed in the flag dialog (because it is on hold?)
 
waffles
@totokaka yes
 
3:52 PM
@totokaka it's a vote to close, not a flag (or a flag to close depending on your rep level))
 
@StephenKennedy they are < 3K
 
Right, so I'm missing the permissions, then
 
yeah I was just looking that up @rene. yes @totokaka vote to close is a 3k priveledge. but if I remember rightly you can flag to close and get the same options?
 
No the options are different
should be closed -> off topic and should be closed -> unclear seems to be the closest
 
On off-topic, you have limited options
 
3:54 PM
are there sub options under closed -> off topic?
 
Thanks, @rene
 
^ seems that the flower knows more abt it. I'll shut up now :)
 
Oh right, there are sub options
 
@totokaka you even have sub-sub-options for migration.
 
Cool. I see now that ... is used to indicate sub-options
 
3:57 PM
I'm too lazy to login with my sock to go stare at that dialog.
 
4:14 PM
Is this a good question? https://stackoverflow.com/q/53971065/1104307
It avoids the recommendation question problem by actually asking how to do something. I'm at a loss of how to handle it.
(Please call me out if I ask too many questions)
 
@totokaka Too broad for me
 
 
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5:30 PM
@totokaka @rene @Cœur @Stephen The differences between the Close-Flag and Close-Vote dialogs are in the "off-topic" sub-options. The Close-Flag dialog has a "Blatantly off-topic" reason that the Close-Vote dialog does not. In the Close-Vote dialog that reason is replaced with a text area to enter a custom close reason along with adding separate selections for any custom close-vote reasons that have already been used on the question. All other options are the same between the two dialogs.
 
6:03 PM
This room was placed in timeout for 2 minutes; RO-abuse while I copy and paste a novel.
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Hey everyone, sort of a personal announcement here, but the short version is I am taking a Hiatus from stack overflow (and the rest of the network).
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Over the last year, my workload has increased more and more, and I find myself with less time to spend in the room, or on Main or meta. I've done virtually no post moderation, and my attendance in the room - especially with dealing with problems - has been very subpar for what I expect.
Recently Aurora, the primary server I host websites and other high bandwidth requirement applications, has been deemed extremely unreliable due to drive issues. To this day, my friend and I still have no idea what is going on, or if it's going to continue in the future. For about a month now I haven't even SSH'd into the computer to check if it's functional.
This sudden loss of resources, combined with an increased workload and less free time, seriously demotivates me from not only resolving the issue, but being the lone person who supports all of these different external sites. The harsh reality is that I do not have the expertise, resources, or time to support these services and keep a high SLA. My friend and I run these servers as a hobby. We just don't have the ability to make it anything more than that.
SOCVR.org is our home page on the internet, where we would expect people that want to learn about the chat room to go. It's linked all throughout meta and people do arrive through Google searches. It needs a higher up time than what I can provide.
As part of my hiatus I'm also going to be working to transfer control of everything related to the chat room to other people. I haven't talked with anyone yet, but hopefully someone can volunteer their time, just like I have for two plus years. I'll definitely help out with making sure you'll be able to run the software, and doing any other necessary upgrades. For example the website software is running .Net Core 1.0, that needs to be migrated to 2.2.
I really need to give a big thanks to everyone that participated in SOCVR. Everyone that found the room through some odd link, asked how the room works, and stuck around long enough to become a member. Everyone that has made a user script. Everyone who has challenged a moderation request. Everyone who has presented themselves to meta when needed. You all are the people who keep this room running.
To my ROs, thank you so much for your service. At times dealing with attitudes in the room is a lot like corralling kindergarteners. None of us are qualified for such a task. But we are not the authority just so we can make rules and pass down judgement. We don't fabricate an elevated title Just So Meta does not nuke is from orbit.
Every single one of us is a room member first and foremost, and we dedicate more of our time in making sure the all the different cogs mesh nicely together because we want to make real change in addition with having a great place to hang out.
I especially need to thank Rene. He has been the keystone for this entire organization since its conception 5 years ago. Despite his slow typing, he's one of the most level-headed and wise individuals I've ever had the pleasure of knowing. He is exactly what this chat room, and stack Overflow as a whole, needs. Thank you for Rene, for making me a Room Owner, allowing me to help you make decisions, and being there for me when I needed help. I truly wish you the best of luck.
Rene, you are the only defense we have against shog9 freezing the room :)
That's all I've got for now, if anyone has any questions or wants to volunteer to take over something for me, hang me and let me know. As long as I'm not sleeping I usually have a pretty good response time on chat mentions (of course, just like my servers, I can't guarantee an SLA).
See you, and thanks for all the fish!
 
Heh. Nice write up, sorry to hear things aren't going that well for you @gun
 
6:19 PM
@gunr2171 so I guess we'll have a meeting soon?
 
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
@gunr2171 :/
 
6:35 PM
@gunr2171 I might have been instrumental but I thank you for accepting the RO invitation as I realized this room needed and needs a diverse set of users that turn knobs and wheels. I can only thank you for keeping up with demands both here as backstage. The pleasure working with you is mutual. Don't forget you're RO for life. You can't checkout here ... Thanks for your service and all the best.
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@gunr2171 I'm sorry to hear your life has gotten busier than you'd like. I hope things resolve/return to the level at which you are comfortable. You have been invaluable to the room. We will all miss your involvement here. However, as always, real life must be the priority. I, and I'm sure everyone here, hopes that things go well for you. We look forward to a time when you are able to spend the time here which you wish to spend.
 
@gunr2171 Thanks for helping keep this great room on track. Much appreciated.
 
7:12 PM
@gunr2171 if I am not mistaken, socvr.org is basically a set of static pages with text content so why not moving it to an easier software? The site can be translated to a wordpress one for example that we can easily maintain and update. We can also easily find PHP server at low price to host the site ... Or there is probably more things behind the scene I am not aware about?
 
@TemaniAfif wordpress is hardly cheap
 
I can host Wordpress at Dreamhost or .NET in IIS on my company servers free of charge (I'm assuming it doesn't use much bandwidth). I can't guarantee it would be long term, however, as certain things are up in the air atm.
 
@AnttiHaapala at some degree it can be good, especially for easy websites without complex content (that's why I am asking if there is nothing complex behind socvr.org). Like @StephenKennedy said, I also have the ability to host such website for free on my own hosting, at least for a good period of time.
 
I've decided to answer a simpler aspect of the ^too broad question above...
 
@TemaniAfif Right now the socvr.org website code is .net core. It downloads the markdown from this repo, and renders it out as pages. The benefit of this design is that you can change the markdown pages in Github without needing to modify the website or website code. If converting to Wordpress / other is acceptable, I'm all for it.
 
7:25 PM
@AnttiHaapala If you mean the one you posted a cv-pls for, probably best to ping a RO and have it binned
 
@gunr2171 ^ please ;)
 
it is still a bad question though :D
 
that was the right one?
 
7:26 PM
cool
 
I probably need to edit the question ...
 
@StephenKennedy socvr.org gets about 250 visitors every month: i.stack.imgur.com/rrj3B.png
 
@gunr2171 How does Kestrel work in terms of TCP port? I have IIS on port 80.
 
it's really simple. add 1 line to your code, install an exe on the IIS box
and reboot
then it uses whatever ports IIS feeds it
 
@gunr2171 tl;dr UseIIS() ?
 
7:38 PM
> CreateDefaultBuilder calls the UseIISIntegration method.
oh, I guess it already does that by default
 
@gunr2171 ok I see, so basically the website is managed through git which I suppose was easier for you (and other RO) to handle. Using wordpress will simply change the way of managing the website as it will be a simple text editor (I suppose you know how it works) and we will lose all the git capabilities (we will still have page/post revisions of wordpress by the way) ... anyway, it's a simple suggestion as I do a lot of wordpress so I can help with this in case it's needed ;)
 
the current software is also packaged as a docker image btw
 
Rob (moderator Rob) is big on ASP.NET Core I gather
classic ASP.NET I can host it right now. Anything which needs software installed or a server reboot I'll have to dig around to see if we have a non prod server with port 80 open on the h/w firewall :)
 
@StephenKennedy 443
 
7:53 PM
@rene oh I'm so 1990s :/
yeah, that
 
well, 443 is only used if you have ssl traffic going directly to IIS, not stripped out at the load balancer
and the website doesn't need to be https
it's static pages
 
8:07 PM
I've found a non prod server with ports open so I can offer use of that that if you don't get a better (more stable/long term) offer
alternatively I can offer a Dreamhost sub-account (PHP etc, no .NET Core so far as I know). It's shared hosting as we only use it for wikis and DNS.
 
8:33 PM
wow lazy holiday season... question that is tagged and and not closed in 1 hour
 
^ missing the one to get closed in 1h ;)
 
 
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10:39 PM
(and with an answer stating "you don't have a problem"... upvoted...)
 
jww
11:37 PM
/EOM
Too Broad, [How to calculate gradient descent cost for the weights using a dot product?](). Needs one more vote.
 
@gunr2171 I haven't been in the room long, but I've seen that you do a lot to help moderate the site and room. Thank you for all the work you've done and much luck on your future endeavors
 
jww
11:53 PM
Sorry about the extra noise. Several of the questions needed a little push. Otherwise they would have timed out, dropped the close votes and remained on the site.
 

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