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JAL
4:01 PM
@Tunaki answered, let me know what you think.
 
looks good thanks
 
JAL
4:16 PM
That meta is getting way too rant-y, should have aborted
 
when does a meta post not get overblown?
 
Can you make a graph of that?
Number of Meta post overblown per month vs time
 
I've fulfilled my MSPaint requirements for the month
 
JAL
@Tunaki easy, just get a graph of an exponential function
 
@gunr2171 Just push to the queue for the next month then.
Recurse until a month is free :(
 
4:20 PM
I dunno what to eat for lunch.
maybe I will get a Five Guys burger =w= That would make me happy. And full.
 
@Compass i'm totes jelly
 
I don't eat it because I want to. I eat it because I have to.
(I don't have to).
 
Blasphemy.
 
I could go for a chipotle burrito as well.
 
or, you know, you could not have fast food
 
4:24 PM
Though the last time I did chipotle, I uh...
I am not ready for Chipotle still.
What would I have instead of fast food?
Sit-in at a restaurant and order a giant bowl of curry! owo Extra spicy OWO, that'll clear up my sinuses!
 
Real cuisine
 
I mean, I guess I could. Today is planning day for our sprint.
 
@gunr2171 five guys is fast but it's not fast food
 
Yeah, Five Guys is fast casual.
 
^
 
4:27 PM
Technically Chipotle is fast casual, but it's probably the worst of fast casual.
Especially given what happened the last time I ate there =w=
Also, I recently learned what bayleaf was, and finally understood why I kept finding them in my silly burritos.
 
4:40 PM
@TylerH They're in the ATL airport tho. Decently fast ;)
 
I guarantee they do not use microwaves.
Burger King uses microwaves.
At least mine did, before it closed.
 
@Machavity Everything is at the ATL airport
The starbucks there serve wine
 
starbucks... wine... ?
I WANT TO LIVE THERE
 
Dude, ew
Wine at Starbucks
No
Just, no
 
why not
you get the benefit of looking hip and cool for being at starbucks but the actual useful benefit of being wine drunk
 
user4639281
I am currently sitting in the youtube waiting room
 
did you get your ride with nathan?
 
user4639281
Yes I did
 
user4639281
We had fun last night
 
sweet, well good luck for today
 
user4639281
5:02 PM
Thanks :)
 
user4639281
I'm 45 minutes early for my interview
 
user4639281
off to review some close votes
 
afk lunch
 
getting Oops! Something Bad Happened! on SO
 
user4639281
I'm not
 
5:15 PM
@Nkosi No repro, IE6/Win95
 
ok probably isolated to my region
back up. was probably a bad link
 
@Tunaki Sounds spammy. They did it before
 
user4639281
Undo deleted it as not spam, so I'd say not spam
 
perhaps it is becoming spam yes
 
user4639281
5:25 PM
@M.A.R. I don't have 10k on dba
 
haha
 
user4639281
I wish we had improvement requests for questions and answers
 
@TinyGiant We have comments. Improvement of the question/answer is what they are for.
 
user4639281
@Makyen I was referring to Documentation style improvement requests
 
user4639281
Not so much with the author themselves, but with the rest of the community. I honestly care very little about what new authors think should be done with their posts.
 
5:34 PM
 
user4639281
I could say to the author: "This question is posed poorly. Maybe we could generalize this a bit." but new authors wouldn't know what to do with that.
 
@TinyGiant So what you are wanting is something that would provide notice to a larger audience than just those viewing the question/answer?
 
If there's one thing I hate, it's the insistence that every news article on a news website have a video that autoplays unmuted
 
user4639281
@TylerH hahaha
 
user4639281
@Makyen Exactly
 
5:35 PM
like, here's a news flash for ya, mr. news org: I don't go to YouTube for the news
 
user4639281
So I could go to a review queue to view improvement requests for the JavaScript tag, and if I have the wherewithall, go and edit the content.
 
user4639281
@TylerH Isn't that where everyone gets their news? From the young people making out on youtube?
 
@TinyGiant Does that mean I'm making news when I make out with someone?
Or is that just reporting the news?
 
user4639281
Depends on who you're making out with I guess.
 
user4639281
If you were making out with trump, that would definitely be news
 
5:38 PM
what if it's two people who are news reporters who are making out with each other
newsception
 
user4639281
hahaha
 
And if it's a guy making out with a mirror, is that fake news?
 
user4639281
That would definitely be fake news
 
user4639281
It would be even faker if it was photoshopped
 
@TinyGiant Isn't that what the VLQ➞(Triage|Low Quality Posts)➞Help and Improvement process is, more-or-less supposed to do? (Not that I am saying it actually works.)
 
5:39 PM
@TinyGiant That would be real fake news
 
@TinyGiant Bah . . . Well, you do on SO . . .
 
user4639281
@Makyen Yeah, but that's just a cess pool of nonsense.
 
@Makyen wow is that a real process? Much confusing, so convolute, such what
 
Go focus on your interview instead of babbling here :p
 
user4639281
@Makyen I wouldn't want to be viewing any outright crap content in that queue. I would want to be looking at halfway decent posts that could be made great through some editing. And it would be available to all posts, not just new posts
 
5:41 PM
@Tunaki Oooh, who has an interview?
 
@TinyGiant I definitely agree with that. The ironic thing is that it could be improved significantly if they just would edit the text describing what the various responses in those ques are supposed to mean/do.
 
user4639281
@Tunaki I'm focusing on not chewing my fingernails.
 
@TylerH The inverviewee.
 
user4639281
@TylerH I'm currently sitting in the youtube waiting room
 
@TinyGiant what's the URL
 
user4639281
5:42 PM
lol
 
oh you mean IRL
 
ask them when Half Life 3 is coming out, oh wait...
 
you're interviewing at YouTube?
 
user4639281
Yep
 
can you have them fix nighttime mode for youtube gaming
 
user4639281
5:43 PM
Where all the real news is made
 
it tries to be fancy and use html5 player but doesn't work
 
user4639281
Oh?
 
@TinyGiant Triage is supposed to weed out the truly bad questions and put those that can/should be edited by the community into Help and Improvement.
 
user4639281
@Makyen Yeah, but that's just a cess pool of nonsense
 
Not YouTube, youtube, it's the fake copy. Tiny thinks he's sitting in a real Google office.
 
user4639281
5:44 PM
lol
 
not youtube, you ...wait...
 
user4639281
There are two screens in here that look like they should be playing youtube videos, but they're showing "An error occurred. Please try again later."
 
Tell me you're not sitting on a black couch @TinyGiant
 
user4639281
@TylerH It's grey
 
@TinyGiant okay, you're safe. Not the room I was worried about
 
5:45 PM
@FelixSFD spam?
 
user4639281
lol
 
@FelixSFD ?
 
uh, no?
how is that spam/offensive?
 
JAL
There a potentially NSFW image link in that question
 
what image?
 
5:46 PM
Oh
 
@JAL yes. Exactly. It's hidden: [ ](link)
 
Then potentially trolling
 
It doesn't work very well. In part, because the descriptions for what the different buttons do/are supposed to mean is not clear. Sure, just changing that description text won't completely fix the problem, but it would at least help those users who are conscientious enough to read the instructions to actually do what is intended.
 
uh, can't we just remove the image and move on?
 
5:48 PM
@gunr2171 Well, the question is forced
 
@gunr2171 OP is leaving comments telling people to look at the hidden link
 
It's like typing text around that image so it won't be caught
 
so probably best to nuke the whole Q
 
@Tiny Ask them what's their "Go Evil" strategy. Depending on their answer, you'll know if it's the real Google!
 
and there's the offensive language...
 
5:48 PM
@TylerH and other abusive comments as well
 
@TinyGiant Here's what I see on Firefox at work when I try to go to gaming.youtube.com (with adblock disabled) i.stack.imgur.com/Z6KtZ.jpg
Firefox at home is 1 version newer but basically the same
53 seconds, nice
 
6:48 PM
plop
 
@BaummitAugen He's doing that because he created that tag in this question
 
@DalijaPrasnikar All that one needed to be Roomba'ed was the answer down-voted. If you felt the answer was worth a down-vote, then you could have had Roomba handle it. Note that you should not down-vote an answer only because it will cause the question to be deleted.
 
@Makyen Nah, that's a pretty good reason
"This answer is not useful"
 
@Machavity I cannot judge whether or not the tag should exist tbh. But the edit is rightfully rejected at least. :)
 
As long as they can philosophize why they deleted it, it's okay to do that.
Because heck, people can vote every way they want.
 
6:55 PM
@BaummitAugen I removed it. It doesn't help anything. I retagged with more appropriate tags. But the question is closable
 
@Machavity Fine by me, voted to close. Good catch!
 
@M.A.R. I agree that it certainly contributes, and any answer that has only 1 vote probably isn't all that great. However, I have a hard time down-voting an answer just because it will cause the question to be deleted. Now, on the other hand, down-voting because the person should not have answered an off-topic question is a different reason :-).
 
7:09 PM
@Queen k
@Queen k
 
Hello!
 
@NobodyNada Jello
 
JAL
7:27 PM
@rene are you having fun bumping every old meta post you find from 2009 with broken images? :)
 
@JAL yes
 
JAL
because it looks like fun
 
beats password manager with a toothbrush
 
@JAL didn't you knew the answer to that question?
 
JAL
ha yes, yes I did
 
7:29 PM
@Braiam 'twas more like a rhetoric
 
@M.A.R. and how you know mine wasn't rhetoric either?
 
@Braiam Because it wasn't
 
@JAL well, some of those imageshack crap is still available in the wayback machine. The longer we wait, more will be gone. And I gave up on trying to flag it as NAA as the MSE crowd thinks an answer with only a broken image Looks OK.
 
JAL
> int ploop;
#soclose
 
7:44 PM
qolq
 
pulp
 
> First of all, please note that answers are for answers only. Next, questions about homework are not a problem by themselves here on SO. If a question or answer contains copyrighted material, please file a DMCA takedown notice. Otherwise, please deal with alleged cheating via your grading process. See also How to cope with complaints from tutors who want to fight cheaters?.
Is that a good and useful comment, content and language wise? It's directed to people complaining that the Q/A helps people cheat with homework as an answer.
 
waffles
 
@rene Tried to clarify the context in an edit.
 
> There're many things that break by doing what I thought was a trivial change (it was live for a couple minutes and I learned this the hard way).
 
7:51 PM
@BaummitAugen Yeah, thanks for spoiling my only joke of the night
 
another day, another 653 bugs
 
@rene Sorry. XD
 
@BaummitAugen To me it seems ok, but not sure it's a teacher...
 
@rene C'mon, you're the flower. Make another one
 
@BaummitAugen I'm not sure about the DMCA part. Does that really apply for the assignment text
@M.A.R. quality over quantity
 
7:53 PM
@BaummitAugen afaik, users should enforce DMCA
 
@rene Are you implying your jokes are as good as mine?
 
@rene I'm not sure, but I hoped that would convey the message that illegitimate use of copyrighted material would be a reason to complain to SO, unlike "It helps students cheat!".
> Do not deal with claims to remove copyrighted content by yourself.
@Braiam From the top answer of the Q I linked.
 
I'm not a lawyer, I'm out
 
@BaummitAugen Not the same as enforcing it though
I mean, you can do other things.
Editing, commenting etc.
 
@BaummitAugen DMCA is nation-specific (USA) so it doesn't apply to anyone outside of the US
for now*
The US is trying its hardest to make its laws apply to everyone everywhere, though
 
7:58 PM
America is going to be great again so that is just a matter of time
 
@TylerH SE is a US based company though, so complaints should follow US law, shouldn't they?
 
@BaummitAugen are all their servers in the US?
 
yes
Unless New Jersey switched to Canada
 
can we get a dev answer on that? shog9 shog9 shog9?
 
@TylerH I'm not sure if that matters, the legal body of SE (not sure if that is a proper translation) is under US legislation.
 
7:59 PM
@rene You can do that these days?
 
@BaummitAugen well the point is currently under litigation
whether servers outside of the US are subject to US law
even if owned by a US-based company
 
@TylerH there are two DC's, one in New Jersey and one in Denver, Colorado
 
most companies argue "no"
but anyway I guess it's fine since SO is a US-based company
 
@PetterFriberg My question is about the general case, but if that specific guy was no teacher, what harm would that comment do?
 
however it's not really a DMCA issue, but more a SO issue of whether they want to honor the copyrighted country's laws, if content is copyrighted in another country
 
8:02 PM
Ok, I get the concerns. Do you guys have any suggestions to improve the comment?
 
Either way I think it'd be better to say "if you think a question or answer contains copyrighted material, please contact Stack Overflow using the contact us link at the bottom of the page"
(emphasis mine)
 
Maybe "if you think a question or answer contains illegitimate use of copyrighted material" instead? Emphasis for this discussion, not for actual comment.
 
yeah, I think that should work
 
So the final comment would be:
> First of all, please note that answers are for answers only. Next, questions about homework are not a problem by themselves here on SO. If you think a question or answer contains illegitimate use of copyrighted material, please contact $SITENAME$ using the contact us link at the bottom of the page. Otherwise, please deal with alleged cheating via your grading process. See also How to cope with complaints from tutors who want to fight cheaters?.
Is that ok?
 
Is that less than 500 chars?
 
8:09 PM
It fits, yes. 98 chars left.
Also removed the extra dot at the end, now 99 chars.
So the content is fine I guess?
 
fine for me
 
Is the language right too? cc @QPaysTaxes
 
linkify contact us?
 
@rene Done, thanks.
 
yw
 
8:21 PM
@BaummitAugen Instead of "via your grading process", I would say something like "through the normal process for cheating at your institution". For many institutions there is a specific process for handling academic dishonesty.
 
@Makyen yes, at mine it was called "expulsion"
 
@TylerH That is certainly one of the possible outcomes at many/most institutions.
 
@Makyen Sounds good, changed. Thank you. (27 chars left now.)
@PetterFriberg If you dupe-close it before it gets answered, it won't stay.
 
@BaummitAugen meeh it's too broad and a bit unclear as well, the dupe link is in my comment, seems like op is happy
 
@PetterFriberg Also, you're not hammer (you slacker), so too broad it just as good. :P
 
8:34 PM
Yeah we have no hammer in jasper-reports... : (, but Petter Friberg, Alex K, Dave Jarvis are the only ones who answer so when they close, it's dead :D
 
Unless Meta effect strikes. :)
(That's probably not often though.)
 
meeh they will not get far... Alex K is close and he is a good dupe finder, I hope he gets the points soon
anyway I like it by now, if I see 3 cv, I know all the jasper-reports answerers have choosen to close :D
and it's time to ask for some support from SOCVR
 
@PetterFriberg where's yours slacker eh?
 
@Tunaki Yeah need answer another 300 questions... but can't find'em
 
8:45 PM
@QPaysTaxes Thank you.
 
@PetterFriberg we can add the tag to some regex stuff? Easy rep.
 
8:59 PM
\o @πάντα
 
@rene I'm not so good with regex, let me answer some of all those java dupes, or some swing stuff how to use the layout manager...
hmm I know some C# to...
 
@PetterFriberg Whenever @tuna calls anyone slacker, just ask him where's his maven gold badge
 
true he is even a contributor... what a shame, probably the only contributor without gold badge :D
 
9:05 PM
Yeah
@PetterFriberg yeah, just a silver contributor :P
 
lol, yeah second place contributor
 
Which is the correct way to write the unseen part of your application? Back end, backend, back-end?
 
I guess it's best that I do not answer that, you would live with my typo after
 
@BhargavRao :D
 
@Braiam This is the type of question for which I normally use Google ngram viewer to see which version is the one most commonly used. In this case, the numbers for "back end" should be discounted some indeterminate amount due to matching non-related text/uses.
 
9:14 PM
@Makyen That only tells you which is more used, not the context
"My back end hurts" is precisely a meaning I'm avoiding
 
Hoiw can this happen: answer is 10 minutes younger than the dup-hammer: stackoverflow.com/questions/42495306/…
 
@Olaf the system allows you to post an answer up to 4 hours after it was closed
 
@Braiam seems that it will work en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_and_back_ends, if it hurts..
 
@Braiam Yes, but it is information from which you can start. I would use either "back-end" or "backend" depending on the context in which I was using it (tech-level, audience). Be consistent throughout whatever it is you are writing. Usage of both is close enough such that it really doesn't matter. Concatenating words (and then often shortening them) is one of the ways that English evolves. In the end, I'd probably use "backend" for a technical audience.
 
@Braiam What?? I had it multiple times writing a longer answer and when posting getting something like "question closed, no answer possible ...". I understand a short overlap, but 4 hours sounds like extreme race-conditioning.
 
@Braiam The shadows.
 
@Tunaki Right now I'm thinking about black magic, but I'm afraid of babaji
 
@Olaf Because it isn't a race condition :).
 
@Tunaki depends: the rep-whatever-we-are-calling-them-now vs the caretakers :P
 
@Braiam None at all. A fancy GUI is sufficient to satisfy marketing. Just tell customers who complain the functionality was removed due to market analysis saying it is not used by the vast majority.
 
9:22 PM
:)
I usually use "the system" in a general sense though for this.
abstract enough that it works for any kind of automated process
 
so... I need to suffer planes going over my house for an army demonstration...
 
@Braiam That's just not as it works now. Maybe the answer is outdated, but I definitively started writing before the question was closed (at least for one question I remember I opened another tab while editing which showed it not closed).
 
@Olaf not sure exactly what you recall is different from what the meta post describes
yep, that is funny
I wonder how the scripts will fare
 
@Braiam I think the last paragraph is the actual point. Seems to be not reliable 4h, but that's a time-windows. And yes, it looks like some kind of race-condition to me. After all that's what I'd suspect on a small scale.
Anyway, at least the posting explans that it can happen. I just miss the why.
 
@Olaf the thing is, that the gui behaves differently depending on how much you have wrote
@Olaf because it sucks
 
9:29 PM
Help from Java experts. Did I incorrectly dup-hammer this question? java.lang.IllegalMonitorStateException with multiple threads in notify and wait
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels if you can hammer a java question and you aren't still sure... only the tuna can help you
 
@Braiam What specifically sucks? Missing the why, that it happens at all, that writing a long answer and being rejected when submitting? (I agree for all, btw). But what sucks most is that it is not predictable.
 
@Braiam the tuna?
 
@Olaf it sucks that you are writing an answer and you have to give up without recourse
 
I'm pretty sure, and I think that the OP is lost.
 
9:31 PM
You sure isn't a XY question?
 
@Braiam Indeed, but I was pi**ed aggravated mostly when I saw an answer coming in clearly after the CV.
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Yeah the dupe is fine for the problem. But, given the comments there, I'm afraid the OP will not even try to read it and understand. Without more info into what they want to do (and minimal example), that's the best we can do IMO.
 
@Tunaki Thanks. I just wanted verification that I wasn't missing something.
 
:35866993 Thanks, I really should have a markdown refcard ready.
 
9:40 PM
@NobodyNada: Where did you find this? I can't find it on the official SO page nor on the linked markdown page. (that makes me wonder which other easter-eggs are hidden)
 
@Olaf in the chat help
 
@NobodyNada Great, once more picking up the breadcrumbs from all over the site ...
 
Lots of pending cv-pls, be sure to go through them, possibly pinging the caster or RO if disagreement.
Note that they are moved unconditionally after 3 days of exposure here.
 
only 20 rep from mortarboarding today :O Goes to find questions
 
9:53 PM
@Adriaan I read that so wrongly...
@FireAlarm seems OK
 
There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[software-engineering]"
 
user3956566
2
A: Does the 'not constructive' flag have a strongly negative connotation? If so, can we have more detailed clarity on its use?

Shog9"Not constructive" is empirically a meaningless flag: it is used for everything from rude or dismissive language to comments with key details that should've been edits to the post to expressions of gratitude... Whatever meaning it was intended to have is neither well-communicated nor agreed upon;...

3
 
10:09 PM
@YvetteColomb The definite Shog answer, great
 
user3956566
@Tunaki yep and relevant. The discussion originated in here and we're pedantic flaggers :)
 
Yup
 
@YvetteColomb booo! I really liked what not constructive meant
 
user3956566
@Braiam lol :)
 
@Tunaki grumble grumble didn't put in any today
but 3 were closed
so there was some progress
 
10:11 PM
I know :)
 
user3956566
@Braiam I've really been meaning to put a new answer to your salt question in Pets (horses)
 
@Tunaki you don't know my life! sobs
@YvetteColomb okay then, looks like I'll be using "too chatty" a lot more then
 
user3956566
@TylerH we'll only end up with 3 flags
 
user3956566
anyway I gotta go out, bbl \o
 
Less flags, less confusion.
 
10:13 PM
fewer(
so, rude/abusive, spam, and too chatty?
 
Less pedantic
 
I don't think 'less pedantic' would be a useful flag
 
@TylerH rude / not needed / custom
 
why not "abusive" rather than rude
 
Bah
 
10:14 PM
not needed meaning what
that seems subjective to me
 
But in the way of merging flags together..... I have a great FR for this also :D
 
can I flag factually incorrect comments as 'not needed' ?
 
@TylerH you can, but you'll want a custom flag to get approved
 
@Adriaan no you can't; mods don't judge correctness
 
@NobodyNada technically they sort-of do. You can flag a Python answer on a Java question because of that.
 
10:16 PM
@YvetteColomb now horses need salt for another reason? Did @BhargavRao told you? O_O
*the plot thickens*
now more seriously, I don't remember if you told me that it was wrong or what
 
There is still no spam comment flag, but meh. Just type the thing into "other".
 
@Tunaki there wasn't a spam flag? WTH?
I kind of remember it...
 
nope
 
you need 50 rep to comment; spam'll be pretty rare
 
@Rizier123 hammered by fred
 
10:23 PM
@NobodyNada not if it's your own question
 
@NobodyNada there are spam comments under spam answers...
 
@Braiam if it's your own question, the question's probably spam
 
@TylerH Yup he ninja'd me on that one
 
@NobodyNada yeah, tell that to the mod that doesn't see flags in context
 
huh? If the question's spam, nuke the whole thing without bothering about the comment.
If the question's not spam though...well...how often does that happen?
 
10:25 PM
10kers still see the comment though
 
Interesting stat: Yvette is the user that most of the time get responded with "horse" or a variation of it in this room
 
How'd you determine that? I've been thinking about running similar stats here, just for fun
 
dur
Is this question stackoverflow.com/questions/42437588/upgrading-spring-security on-topic? It feels like a call for discussion. Any thoughts? I'm not sure.
 
@NobodyNada search for horses, then mount them... wait, that's not what you asked, right?
maybe I should stop horsing around
 
@dur unclear what thy're asking, I don't see a question there
 
10:28 PM
> how they have dealt with Spring Security’s migration and if anyone has made a similar decision to create an abstraction layer?
 
dur
@Tunaki: "The question to the community is, how they have dealt with Spring Security’s migration and if anyone has made a similar decision to create an abstraction layer" is a question, but is that too broad?
 
Yeah... too broad works also
 
Now I've added some questions to the CV queue, and some are even sitting at 4 CVs!
cc @Tunaki
but time to head home now
 
cya
 
@TylerH you sure?
my queue is empty
 
10:41 PM
cache, always cache
 
@Tunaki you sure?
 
yes it takes ~15 minutes before things arrive in the queue
 
11:16 PM
> if u can answer if u don't know please don't waste my time. I put tags .. if there is tags it means i can ask question like that
 
user3956566
@Braiam I don't think it's a good explanation that's all
 
user3956566
I'd like to know what @BhargavRao says about horses and salt @Braiam
 
@BaummitAugen im lost was that last comment a response to my cv-pls?
 
@Nkosi No, entirely unrelated.
Queen washed up that comment. It literally was from a question.
 
@BaummitAugen Ok cool. I was a bit confused there for a while.
 
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