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Q: Do we need the tag [code-security]?

Yvette ColombThe code-security has 29 questions (3 asked this year) and is used inconsistently. It is used mainly with the c# and/or .net, but is also used with java and a handful of other tags. It's also used in a variety of contexts. This seems like a reasonable use of the tag, actually protecting the cod...

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Q: Do we need the tag [protection]?

Yvette ColombThe protection tag had 491 questions that is used inconsistently with a wide variety of language and technology tags. The variety of this handful of examples speaks for itself: Lock cells based on user IP Protection using loops, C# python script to read from protection dongle Are there any g...

 
 
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3:48 AM
Yippee! Just found my first spammer/dodgy user account. Just waiting for it to get nuked.
Details: 50 days old; had Informed badge and Autobiographer badge (achieved with typical keyboard-pounded gibberish); no Qs, As, posts edited or helpful flags; then in the last day posted 2 non-answers which promptly received an upvote each (earning the Teacher badge); after receiving the last upvote, immediately cast first upvote (-> Supporter badge); has total 30 votes cast - thought they all the max daily upvotes but doesn't have the Suffrage tag.
 
 
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9:46 AM
@Ron: "One of your professors has asked you to write a program to grade her final exams": DV+close :)
Why does teachers always assign the same "student" and "grade" stuff as homework? aren't there some more fun stuff to code? Boring (and off-topic)
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Actual answer to the posted question is the typo in system("pasue");. Don't the teachers teach debugging? Or is it just that the students don't bother to use it?
 
Well, solution is to create a .bat file called pasue.bat which calls pause. Done. I should reopen + answer.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I'll help you re-open it and then upvote your answer. Then I'll write my own solution and you can upvote mine :)
 
10:06 AM
@robinCTS sounds good.
ooops clicked "delete" instead :)
duplicate world record for this question: stackoverflow.com/questions/47484743/…. And you still find someone who answers.
 
Ron
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Homeworks are forever ;)
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre And it's a high rep cucumber! (138k)
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Holy ****! 556 linked questions!!
 
Ron
What passes for R&D in my corner of the world...
During an interview I was told the new language features are just a bling and they don't understand what the big fuss about C++11+ is. Needles to say there was no deal.
 
@robinCTS I'm trying to be nice. The guy is useful sometimes. And he comes from Java background, so let's be understanding :)
But I'm watching for any upvotes on the answer & will take action if any.
(I'm closing this dupe at least 3 times a week, and others do the same). Classical python trap when people think you can write anything in natural language and it works.
well it works ... the way python chooses :)
 
10:31 AM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre And like a lot/most other languages do. I would always assume the comparison operators had a lower precedence than the boolean ones.
 
it's not a question of precedence since you can put arentheses anywhere you want that won't fix it. try with: if a or b == 12:. Unfixable.
@Ron: don't you like std::iterator<int> it; for (it = l.begin(); it != l.end(); it++) {} ? :)
you can even create a macro out of it. Who needs C++11 when you have C macros ? :)
 
Ron
@Jean-FrançoisFabre At one point I think one of them said that C and C++ are pretty much the same.
I ran out screaming.
 
Yeah, if interviews venture into technical area at least the level should be excellent. Otherwise, trust the developpers.
what's the point of Python when you have bash & perl and .bat ?
(and you can call a perl script from bash on MSYS, which you can call from a .bat?=)
 
10:56 AM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Ah, but that's just operator short-circuiting.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre "Who needs C++11 when you have C macros ? :)" o_O That's, that's choke BLASPHEMY!
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11:37 AM
@robinCTS exactly. But Python allows a lot of crap without yelling: a lot of problems with is and with too.
for instance: if x is not in y makes perfect sense in english, all keywords are legal but it's not correct (in that case it yells, fortunately)
 
Hey it's the spe......ahmm.....I mean Hey @PaulStenne. lol
o/
 
 
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12:53 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre You can find such examples inm every language actually. Just remove the is and it's what you most likely want. Just because some Python statements can be valid english sentences, the opposite is not true. So what do we learn: you have to learn the language you use. I doubt that's news to anyone (even those who think to get along without).
 
@user0042 LOL indeed. Those I met just used the classical handshake. It is more me who doesn't like handshakes at all. A simple "Hi" or waving (to show you don't hold a knife sword) is enough.
 
1:35 PM
@Nkosi "spe..." is that like "He Who Must Not Be Named"? :p
 
@user0042 I hate this "I'm new, I can ask everything, don't need to read the rules first" attitude.
 
@Olaf people do that in off-line settings as well - you shouldn't be surprised by it. Welcome to the world and all that :)
 
@JonClements I didn't say I hate it only online ;-)
 
something something anger something something hate something something darkside :p
 
But that is much more common online.
 
1:47 PM
@Olaf yup - I'm fairly sure most of the people online that are the "yeah... I can do whatever... you can't stop me... bring it on" types IRL if you just looked at them would be... "oh... yeah... okay... sorry" :p
 
@JonClements I also hate taking Star Wars profanity as highly philosophical truths ;-)
There is nothing bad about strong feelings. What matters is how one uses them.
 
The same with knowledge - atom bomb or nuclear power source... both the same principles with two different mind sets as to use... blah blah blah
 
@JonClements Not exactly. But they might not walk into a foreign house and demand a steak - medium rare with exactly the same baked potato & sour cream like their grandpa made it.
@JonClements You are aware nuclear power plants are atom bombs? I'm not sure they are really different mindsets. Both ignore the possible consequences.
 
You're aware the intent of both differs, surely? :p
 
But this is not about knowledge. One can never know enough.
@JonClements Both are built not to explode. Both have some benefit while the don't.
 
1:56 PM
One is built to provide benefit and not go ka-boom. The other is designed only for the purpose of going ka-boom and ideally not be used. Anyway - shall we move onto something else :)
 
@Steve guy pasted random text to pass code/text ratio. annoying!
 
I haven't read the last part. It is simply a wall of code with a request to find where is the bug.
 
@Olaf No, they try to balance risk/reward. A nuclear weapon is, of course, extremely dangerous, as is an invasion by an enemy. A nuclear power station has radioactive contamination risks, but no smokestack.
 
2:12 PM
@JonClements Just that: both are actually built to not go kaboom. But only one is designed to not to (but as we know that is just in theory). The benefit of the kaboom-designed device is to scare a potetntial attacker. But no sane person really wants to use it against people. Hopefully there are enough sane people involved if some insane one tgries to really use it.
 
grr
cv-pls doesn't work with firefox 57 + GM :F
 
@MartinJames I use to be an ordinary puppy... I rolled in some radioactive green goo and I turned into ninja puppy - learnt to speak and program a computer - are you saying there're downsides? :p
 
@MartinJames You forgtot about the concrete and other stuff required to build that thing. Also the heat going into the cooling water is also a kind of pollution. Did you know that fishes can only reproduce in a pretty close range of temperature? Resp. the gender of certain fishes depends on the temperature during early development? Not all pollution can be seen that clearly like smoke (and modern coal plants don'tg show much smoke either).
 
@Olaf: stackoverflow.com/questions/47486491/… our friend answering again. Formatting is neat but that doesn't answer. I have flagged, some other upvoted, impressed by the good (and vague) advice...
 
@AnttiHaapala Did you try the bookmarklet? Works even for my exotic rekonq browser.
 
2:16 PM
@Olaf I hope I fixed it with the one trick from the starboard
but... it doesn't help with the fact that I've been closing loads of questions with [x] Send cv-pls request... when that tickbox was apparently a no-op
 
@JonClements Yes, you can be seen in the dark by predators.
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Yeah, commonplaces answer again.
 
@Olaf 'concrete and other stuff' - not really much of a hazard, on the whole. 'heat going into the cooling water is also a kind of pollution' yes, just like any heat engine, there has to be a low temperature sink. 'and modern coal plants don'tg show much smoke either' - true, CO2 in invisible, as is most of the other appalling contamination that is pumped out the stack.
 
@Olaf: I'm "explaining" to him. Doesn't seem to like me much. Well... too bad me I like him.
 
@JonClements Why did you learn to speak? If you can click keys with your claws and move the mouse with your nose, that should be enough.
 
@MartinJames Long time ago I saw some figures about the CO2 produced to build a nuclear PP compared to a coal PP (IIRC). It took quite some years for the NPP to have any benefit compared to the CPP.
 
2:22 PM
lol I wonder if I should do the Jon's knife-edge on
 
@Olaf: I should keep the text of the answer and paste it all over when someone has a threading issue.
or any other undefined behaviour / debugging issue.
 
though I know what the results would be: 4: disagree with positive score: downvoted: all 4 duplicates. 4 disagree with -1 score, downvoted one more, too broad, closed. 1 missing mcve but borderline good. no downvote, cv with no mcve after OP not complying. 1: a question about some windows library that I have no idea of.
 
@AnttiHaapala No sharp weapons on this site. That will eventually result in a massacre.
 
the architect sketch - we need a scenic conveyor belt that leads to the rotating knives...
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Most of those asking/responding on multithreading issues are clueless or actually dangerously wrong. Nearly all code posted in [multithreaded] is hopeless, even when fixed. Many, many clueless idiots, spouting off crap that they read from some site and having never delivered any multithreaded app at all. I would have them all irradiated to prevent reproduction.
 
Ron
2:36 PM
o/
 
Ron
ULLo
 
RonOverflow
 
Ron
@MartinJames Seems like I will have to part with my awesome desktop machine. The 9 to 5 day is upon me.
 
@Ron Oh, I'm so sorry:(
 
Ron
2:42 PM
@MartinJames I will live ;)
I do get a sense SO has deteriorated in quality when it comes to questions.
Somewhat subjective feeling.
 
@Ron Yeah... not sure it can get much worse than that.
 
Ron
I am thinking about tattooing the following on my forehead: "I will not reverse an array, find mid of triplets, implement a vector class, shun STL or similar nonsense."
 
2:59 PM
@Ron it really depends on the tag
Python is quite bearable for example. At least those that are duplicates only have one question in them...
C is really horrible now
 
Ron
@AnttiHaapala Yes. Tags Academia deems as homework friendly suffer the most.
 
C also deserves blame. Whereas Python programs will usually have just one place that throws exceptions, in C they code 10, 20 mistakes before they meet one that crashes the program...
 
@Machavity WOW! Five cucumbers. Never seen a 'Big O' Q that is not obviously homework.
 
@MartinJames You don't ask yourself at least once a day "oh, I have written this code, what big-Oh might it be? Let's spend some time to find out!" ? You can't be a "computer expert". Are you a developer?
(I have a different big-Oh moment from time to time: "OOOhhh, what a sh… did this colleague write/plan here?" (and sometime that colleague was actually me)
 
@Olaf I plead the 5th.
 
3:13 PM
@MartinJames ??
@AnttiHaapala C is better: it never throws exceptions;-) (and Python raises them,. "throwing" is sooo very C++ish) Python is more polite.
 
@Olaf 5th amendment to the Constitution of the Unted States. Essentially, I cannot be forced to reply to questions like 'Are you a developer?' if answering might incriminate me.
 
@MartinJames Oh, so they they finally have taken over GB? I had bet Germany was fist. youtube.com/watch?v=ugA7f-nrZWw
 
[sigh] 'I am trying to read the words from text file and add them into a linked list but i feel like my execution is wrong' - should have used a stronger rope, stronger injection, more voltage or a firing squad who could shoot straight.
 
@MartinJames yeah. So I'll ask for deletion
 
3:21 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Can't be deleted. Is a dupe target
 
@Olaf lol, I just knew that you link would be LoB :)
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Need to delete this first stackoverflow.com/questions/47486781/…
 
@MartinJames Oldie but Goldie.
 
3:38 PM
@JonClements ...poor questions are the path to the dark side.....
Train yourself to let go of all the bad questions. dv and move on. :)
The spam is strong in this one......
ok I'm done with that last one. lol
 
 
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4:56 PM
@Machavity not anymore :)
Can't wait for C gold so I can close them :)
 
5:27 PM
@Makyen or anyother room owner! Please remove my last cv request, the question has been edited and now it is fine
 
@Makyen Thanks
 
@SardarUsama Happy to do it.
@AnttiHaapala I wasn't aware of the issue. Thanks for reporting it. I'll take a look at it today.
 
 
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6:49 PM
@Makyen I mean I am not sure if it broke in the upgrade
the dupe hammer script by poke also broke in the upgrade, and I fixed it by reinstalling
 
7:03 PM
@AnttiHaapala If it's working in any situation, then the issue which is expected to be resolved by reinstalling, isn't the cause. That issue will fundamentally break the script. Although, an associated issue could result in being able to display the cv-pls dialog, but being unable to send any requests. Are you able to send cv-pls requests from the cv-pls popup?
You can use the SOCVR Testing Facility as a target room, if you don't have actual cv-pls request(s) you want to post.
 
@Makyen no, I wasn't able.
but I didn't try after reinstalling
 
@AnttiHaapala OK. Try after reinstalling using the hack. I haven't had any reports of needing to reinstall more than once, but it's possible that might be an issue, as there are actually two scripts @required (jQuery and the one for GM4 compatibility).
 
7:18 PM
@Makyen seems to be working
 
@AnttiHaapala Great! Including the [x] Send cv-pls request on the CV-popup?
 
yes, that's what I used.
 
Great. Thanks for testing.
 
Ron
8:11 PM
Omg four fours currently. Quickly star this.
@Nkosi I remember when you had five fives.
Blast somebody downvoted.
:(
 
@Ron wasn't me
 
Ron
@Nkosi The dvoter is in the comments.
 
Your avatar here still shows 4444 :)
cached. lol
@Ron I could up vote you and find 4 for your questions to down vote if it will help your OCD. lol JK
rofl
 
Ron
@Nkosi Better not.
 
lol was only hoping to help. :)
 
Ron
8:25 PM
@Nkosi I know. Appreciate the incentive.
 
@Ron Here's 12 twelves: i.stack.imgur.com/deo31.png
 
Ron
@Makyen Very nice.
 
lol
 
Ron
@MartinJames I've always admired that guy in the comments. He always seems to be patient.
 
@Ron some dude?
 
Ron
8:37 PM
@AnttiHaapala Yep.
 
he's got 250k because he often answers blatant duplicates :F
 
@AnttiHaapala My god... I hope there are no duplicates of that thing!
 
Ron
Lol, valid point raised.
 
@MartinJames no, I don't think there are; that's why he didn't answer :D
 
lol
@Ron Some users who answer bad questions should be patients, preferably under a 'special doctor' :)
 
8:42 PM
@AnttiHaapala oh, you also noticed "the dude". A pity as he's good. Same as this Basile russian fellow. One should never grow old ...
Their C hammer is shiny new. Not a scratch :)
 
Ron
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Yeah, I thought so too.
 
"if I had a C hammer ..." :)
(looks like the beginning of an old french song, without the C of course)
 
Ron
@Jean-FrançoisFabre There are some real superstars camping in C++ related rooms. They rarely answer. I begin to see why.
 
And don't get me started on names. Those guys have 4x+ rep than me still rep junkies and I have to tell them/close/delete the questions with your help guys.
@Ron you mean they hammer instead? (the guys in the C++ rooms I mean)
when you have a hammer, it's as satifying to use it than to answer IMHO. I thought that would help more with duplicates, but some people don't use it at all.
 
Ron
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Not even that. They camp in the C++ room and answer there. Not the Lounge. One of them is around 10k and the other one is I believe around 6k. Yet they are walking talking encyclopedias when it comes to C++.
 
8:49 PM
respect to them... for them the room could be on Mars or other, not related to SO then.
 
Ron
Respect indeed.
 
Guido Van Rossum SO account is at 12k :)
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Raymond Hettinger is at >100k and yesterday was answering blatant dupes. :F
 
@AnttiHaapala yeah, I believe you. The guy isn't a saint. Maybe he doesn't care about dupes or rep. He just answers to provide his answer.
Anyway my idol is Martjin. 600k+ and I only witnessed him answering a duplicate once.
 
9:15 PM
what means "blacklisted user"? if he's blacklisted why don't the mods block/delete his account.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre SmokeDetector has it's own blacklist, which is not part of SE/SO.
 
waffles
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Users are usually added to the user-blacklist by feedback commands to SD which add the user. This is usually indicated by a u at the end of the feedback (e.g. tpu-). Note that the aliases, which are commonly used for feedback equate to commands that do, or don't, include blacklisting the user.
 
waffles^2
 
9:36 PM
@Makyen damn I like it here :)
 
Hello there !
 
hello @HovercraftFullOfEels
Can I get some help closing some HW questions please ?
I know it's not R
but David told me that you guys can help me :)
 
@eliasah: that's not how you ask for help closing on this site. Please check the rules out.
@eliasah: For one you shouldn't flag individuals for help, but rather put a general request, and not with such large links.
 
@eliasah Please don't onebox (questions/answers, etc.). Please edit the messages to add some additional text in order to prevent oneboxing.
 
9:40 PM
sorry for the links
I can't edit them now @Makyen
 
@eliasah Yep, I just checked how old they are. 2 minutes is a short amount of time.
 
@eliasah: Also you'll want to state in your request the reason for the CV, and it can't be for "HW questions". It should be for one of the specific CV reasons that are currently available. Also, you don't appear to have voted yourself on these questions. Why ask if you've not voted first yourself?
 
HW questions are allowed, if they're well presented (big if)
 
I know the rules :/
 
9:43 PM
If you want us to look at them from the point of view of close-voting, then post a cv-pls request. Please see the FAQ for details.
 
I'm just used to come during the week where there is usually other ppl who know me from the room
sorry
I didn't mean to make a mess
 
@eliasah No problem. Just, please, be a bit more careful in the future.
@eliasah If interested, there's a handy user-script, which posts cv-pls requests for you from question pages, when you tell it to. It will format the cv-pls request and, by default, include the reason which you indicated when you voted to close. If you can't use user-scripts, there's a bookmarklet.
 
thanks for the pointer @Makyen :)
 
@eliasah I'm glad to help. Requests made by hand are, of course, perfectly acceptable. It's just the scripts make it much easier.
 
ofc ! :)
 
9:58 PM
@eliasah just install TamperMonkey it's super easy then, it looks like they've upgraded SO site to integrate SOCVR.
 
10:17 PM
thanks @Jean-FrançoisFabre
 
@derM If you're asking us to take a look at a question with respect to voting-to-close, please include the cv-pls tag in the message you post by using the text [tag:cv-pls]. The general format is [tag:cv-pls] close reason https://stackoverflow.com/q/12345 You can find more information about How and why do I need to format my cv-pls (and other requests)? in the FAQ.
 
Yep, I will. Thanks
 
@derM If interested, there's a handy user-script, which posts cv-pls requests for you from question pages, when you tell it to. It will format the cv-pls request and, by default, include the reason which you indicated when you voted to close. If you can't use user-scripts, there's a bookmarklet.
 
10:35 PM
 
11:24 PM
Wow, paranoid whacko in meta: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/359826/… :o
 
Wow - is he serious?
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels The question (same poster) is proof there need not be a lot of text for downvotes.
 
@Olaf: no. You just need a large clandestine organization that is out to get you.
 
11:43 PM
@HovercraftFullOfEels As if I wouldn't know. Just wait, we'll get you all!
 

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