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12:52 AM
I have to go; see you tomorrow!
 
JAL
1:13 AM
Can there ever be too many shogs?
2
 
Needs more Shog9!
 
@Machavity I guess I'm missing something. Why is the fact that a dup-closed question is upvoted a reason to delete it?
 
That was fast.
 
Spam?
 
user4639281
@Makyen That in and of itself is not a reason to delete it, but the fact that the titles are so similar and that the duplicate is very unlikely to be searched makes a good case for deletion.
 
1:23 AM
@PraveenKumar Virustotal thinks the link is clean.
 
@BaummitAugen Dude... Spam is not Malware. LoL.
When I keep putting my website link for no reason, then it is considered as spam.
 
@PraveenKumar I'm aware of that, I don't say VT clean implies not spam.
 
@BaummitAugen :)
 
It's just a simple first check, if VT reports malware, it's certainly fishy.
 
user4639281
@BaummitAugen If it is abnormally easy to bring the server down with a DDOS attack, the person probably didn't invest much in security, and is probably a spammer. drops mic
 
1:33 AM
@TinyGiant Thanks. The reason @Machavity provided for the [dle-pls] implied there was some delete criteria of which I was not aware. I thought I might need to adjust how I was evaluating voting to delete, but that does not appear to be the case.
 
user4639281
1:49 AM
@Makyen You are correct, the delete reason was not appropriate, even if the deletion was warranted.
 
user4639281
@Machavity please keep it to valid deletion reasons.
 
@TinyGiant Sorry, we talk so often of Roomba reasons I should have been clearer
 
@Machavity Dupes don't roomba anyways.
 
user4639281
No problem, just for outside viewers.
 
user4639281
@BaummitAugen yes they do
 
user4639281
1:58 AM
> If the question is more than 30 days old, and ...
>
> - has −1 or lower score
> - has no answers
> - is not locked
 
user4639281
no idea why the -1 is an emdash there
 
user4639281
oh it's not, it's actually MINUS SIGN (U+2212)
 
Ah okay. Should be "not-negative score" then I guess.
 
user4639281
back later
 
@BaummitAugen The dupe rule applies to the 9 day. Can still be nuked by the 30 or 365 rules
 
2:02 AM
@Machavity Was not aware of that, thx.
 
@Makyen That question has better answers in the dupe. It also was something the OP should have researched. The upvote refers to Roomba rules. With a +1 it won't be automatically removed. We generally don't waste deletes on questions that will be cleaned by the Roomba
 
user6820627
hey wat is socvr room meeting?
 
2:18 AM
@Machavity I agree that OP should have researched and that better answers are on the dup-target, but isn't that true of almost all duplicates? I'm not sure I agree with the conclusion that the question should be voted to be deleted. While the existing answer would prevent it from being Romba'ed, the title did appear to have search terms matching what a naive user might use to look for a solution to that specific issue (even though they should be thinking about getting the URL ).
 
@Makyen As a Mjolnir wielder, I can say that there are easy to find dupe that should be deleted to avoid cluttering the google pages.
If stuff gets in my way even when I know what I'm looking for, it certainly clogs up the search for actual askers.
 
2:39 AM
@BaummitAugen Having multiple results show up for a search using the best keywords is a known and expected consequence of having multiple signposts. This does, inherently, make it more difficult to find the canonical answer, which is what we are looking for when we want a dup-target for closing. Our searching specifically for the canonical is not what we should be optimizing for. We should be concerned about the naive user who doesn't know what they should be wanting.
Having multiple signposts with at least some different search terms allows people who don't know what the canonical question is to at least get to something that will point them at the canonical.
(A bit more text wall) In this case, a naive search for "PHP tell if on the front page" doesn't result in a SO result other than the question that was just deleted within the top 100 results. Thus, I would argue that the, now deleted, question definitely contained search terms which were not available in other duplicates.
 
@Makyen Sign post are nice and all, but if I have to wade through a pile of poorly formulated dupes to get to information I actually want (and no, I'm not too lazy to click on the link to the dupe target), that's bad.
@QPaysTaxes s/give up/cut my losses/g and you are fine.
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Off to bed, cya! o/
 
2:57 AM
@BaummitAugen, I agree that if the dup-closed question does not provide any value, as a signpost (e.g. does not have unique search terms), or otherwise, then it should certainly be considered for deletion (and voted to be deleted if the Roomba won't do so). A quick criteria is to toss keywords from the question's title into a search engine to see what hits. In this case, there are no other SO hits.
 
3:23 AM
Just in case anyone else wants to see the SEO tag die, I started a fan club Meta thread
 
user4639281
@LearnHowToBeTransparent We periodically have room meetings once we've built up a few important topic to discuss. This room is for all of us, which means that the room's policies are for the most part up for review by all, though the final say lies with the room owners.
 
user6820627
@TinyGiant BUT IN A FROZEN ROOM?
 
user6820627
wow.
 
user4639281
We have a separate room for the meetings
 
user4639281
That helps us keep track of previous room meetings for future reference, and removes distractions.
 
user6820627
3:34 AM
@TinyGiant when? i wanna join in
 
user4639281
2 days ago, by gunr2171
Room meeting registration. Help us know how many people to expect.
 
@LearnHowToBeTransparent Top pinned star ->
 
user6820627
@Machavity saw it. but when?
 
user4639281
Check the link I just sent you.
 
user4639281
When is relative to where you are.
 
3:36 AM
@LearnHowToBeTransparent Last one was midnight GMT
 
user6820627
OOPS! that's my bedtime
 
@LearnHowToBeTransparent rene will write you a permission slip if you need one for your parents
@QPaysTaxes If you'd written that in PHP I'd slap some sense into you. But that's some other language so I'm cool with it
PHP's e flag was removed because it did bad things
which probably surprises nobody
@QPaysTaxes OK, I won't tell you that's what it was...
 
user4639281
1 message moved to SOCVR Sanitarium - profanity
 
4:27 AM
@Enzokie That question appears to be a spam seed
 
@4castle I wasnt aware :(
 
@Enzokie Thanks for flagging :)
 
:)
 
user3956566
I regard this as spam — Yvette Colomb 15 secs ago
 
user4639281
I'm sorry but I don't see how that is spam. The question is an off-site resource request and the answer provides an off-site resource. Both are low quality and useless, but neither are spam.
 
user4639281
4:33 AM
Close and delete the question, then move on.
 
I'm only calling spam on the answer. It's linking to two $100 services (both from the same company) and sounds like an advertisement.
 
I'm not the spam expert, but I think 4castle's right there.
 
user3956566
the codeazon cost money and they both relate to the author of that
 
user3956566
@4castle exactly
 
user4639281
> Questions asking us to recommend or find a book, tool, software library, tutorial or other off-site resource are off-topic for Stack Overflow as they tend to attract opinionated answers and spam.
 
user3956566
4:38 AM
@TinyGiant doesn't make it not spam
 
He's right in that deleting the question makes it moot.
(I think)
 
user4639281
An answer which recommends an off-site resource, paid or not, to a question asking for an off-site resource, paid or not, should not be flagged as spam because the answer is not the problem, the question is.
 
I agree, spam voting is mostly to serve the purpose of getting the links in the answer blacklisted
 
user4639281
Just like a link only answer to a question asking for links should not be flagged as link only because the question is the problem
 
user4639281
 
4:43 AM
@TinyGiant Maybe another detail to consider is that both the question author and answer author were both created on the same day (2 days ago)
 
user4639281
@4castle Irrelevant. Always err on the side of caution when it comes to spam flags. This isn't shoot first, ask questions later.
 
@TinyGiant Okay, I will. I'm just not sure if you still need convincing that it was actually spam.
 
user4639281
It's not spam
 
user4639281
Spam would be unsolicited
 
user4639281
4:51 AM
An answer which suggests a product to a question asking for a product cannot be spam
 
5:45 AM
@TinyGiant Looking back on it, I think at least the 2nd link was unsolicited. It's a bunch of website themes which have nothing to do with a Mega Menu.
 
user4639281
Then it is a wrong resource recommendation
 
@TinyGiant Sure you can call it that. But you could also call it an unsolicited advertisement
 
user4639281
@Closey alive?
 
user4639281
@4castle The question is asking for off-site resources. The answer is providing an off-site resource. Whether or not the off-site resource is the correct solution to the problem is irrelevant to the fact that it is not spam.
 
@TinyGiant How would you identify spam on Software Recommendations SE?
 
user4639281
5:54 AM
I don't identify spam on Software Recommendations SE, and this room does not moderate any site other than Stack Overflow so their definition of spam is irrelevant here.
 
user3956566
I really find arguing about spam like this counter productive. If 6 people or a mod view it as spam, then it's flagged as spam. Doesn't matter if others disagree really. if they feel too strongly about it, take it to meta. What say you @rene? @Undo?
 
Debating is good.
 
We are debating about if this answer was spam.
 
user3956566
@Undo not if the same statements are made repeatedly and there is no resolution
 
You'll always find six people who will blindly, or incompetently, flag valid stuff as spam. That's just statistics. Having healthy conversation around a report does a lot to make people engage their brains.
 
user3956566
5:58 AM
@Undo not if the same statements are made repeatedly and there is no resolution
 
Was it appropriate for me to flag it? Or are software recommendation questions valid grounds for posting spam?
 
@4castle What's the argument for it being spam?
 
user4639281
The tags to work on are (34), (34), (31), (31), (30)
 
user6754053
is there a record of that answer?
 
The 2nd link was unrelated to the question, both links are for the same company (and are pricey services), the way it's written sounds promotional, and the user was created on the same day as the asker (this might be coincidence)
 
6:01 AM
In that case, I'd say it's actually spam... but that's based on information you don't have access to, so... you kinda got lucky
@4castle Probably safest to throw exactly that sentence into a custom flag
Otherwise someone like me will look at it and decline it along with the thirty other bad spam flags we get every day, not thinking to dig much further
 
user4639281
I agree with that.
 
user3956566
thanks for your feedback @Undo it's good to have an extra opinion in a cyclic argument
 
:)
Night folks, cya tomorrow
 
6:22 AM
Is this the post being discussed?
 
user3956566
6:33 AM
@NisseEngström yes
 
8:03 AM
MOrning \o
 
 
1 hour later…
9:08 AM
@Glorfindel What's FDSC?
 
@PraveenKumar Userscript that automatically feedbacks when you flag a post reported by smokey
 
So if I click a smokey post and flag it as spam, it'll automatically feed back sd k on the report
 
Why didn't I know this already?
You guys don't say? :(
 
FDSC is short for "Flag Dialog Smokey Controls"
 
9:10 AM
Okay nice...
I need to get my credentials changed then.
 
It's why so many people have MS accounts
 
A NAA with one up vote: stackoverflow.com/a/41502344
:O
@Magisch I change my PC a lot of times...
I am using on my work, personal, and many more...
So... :(
 
Have to set it up once on every pc then
I have it set up on my work pc and my home pc
 
@Magisch I know... Crap task.
I have my TamperMonkey automater... :D
I wrote a code to import and set the sessions. LoL.
Very very vulnerable LoL.
 
@YvetteColomb it more looks like there is disagreement and we have this rule to agree to disagree. Both sides have fair points, we can only know if we catch the posters, interrogate them, gather evidence and then bring them to justice. Which in the end can still lead to disagreement about that outcome. Let's move on.
 
9:22 AM
If something gets deleted as spam it's up to the user that posted it to defend their position IMHO
If they can't be bothered to do that then we probably didn't lose anything of value
 
o/
 
\o
 
\o
 
@JanDvorak looks like a config issue with a tool used by programmers
I would say it is on-topic
 
10:11 AM
When I tried to authenticate in FDSC, I get error in console 404.
@Glorfindel @Magisch
 
10:25 AM
@PraveenKumar sorry, I don't know how to solve that. With all the different contributors, I don't even know who to ask, but it's best to resolve this issue in Charcoal HQ, not here.
 
@Glorfindel Okay...
 
@PraveenKumar do you have the latest version (1.9.3) installed?
 
@Glorfindel Just pulled fresh out of the oven.
How do I check the version.
give me a sec.
 
OK, then I'll stop here.
 
@Glorfindel 1.9.3
 
10:42 AM
@RiggsFolly Please don't request things based on the user history, trashed the latest cv-pls
 
@Tunaki Ok, but why not. The 2 questions were basically the same attempt to get someone to write some code for him
 
we don't want to target a user as we can very easy do that
When that user complains on meta for mob voting we're in trouble
been there, done that
 
@rene OK, now I get it!
 
@rene done what?
 
that
 
10:58 AM
They did the tuna
 
11:17 AM
@Magisch :D
 
@BhargavRao: I don't know if you saw my request above. The edit turned out to be an innocent result of an edit conflict, but it was correctly rejected anyway.
 
Ouch, That's sad
 
11:53 AM
@Louis whoa, right after I saw that I saw this: travis-ci.org/janpaepke/ScrollMagic
@Louis probably would have been better closed as dupe but my vote wasn't enough to push it away from no-mcve
Though I suppose there could be multiple reasons for that to happen so w/e
 
@ivarni I looked at the suggested dupe but it seemed to be a different issue. I have an idea of what the problem may be here but the Q needs significant work from the OP to be put into shape.
 
@Louis Yeah, I realize that now
 
12:26 PM
migrate to serverfault? stackoverflow.com/q/41505700/3285730
 
Morning
@JacobGray yes and it is now closed. Actually just OT, no migrate
 
12:44 PM
Can someone screenprint the answer from the question discussed in this meta for me?
 
@ivarni thank you
 
2:03 PM
 
Happy new year, all!
 
Hiya henders. Happy new year to you too
 
Thanks :)
 
FYI we do not do NAA request. One flag (yours) is all that is needed to get it inot the queue
 
Oh my bad, sorry! :P Hopefully I'm not starting how I mean to go on, eh?
 
2:07 PM
Its okay. Lets pretend it never happened ;)
 
@Henders You can happily head over SOBotics and report it as NAA though :)
but I killed it
 
@Tunaki I'm not sure how that works, to be honest :O
 
flagging tunaki for murdering a not answer
 
You'll need more than flags to stop him.
Plop!
 
Hiya Kyll
 
2:12 PM
@Kyll o/
 
@Kyll o/
 
@Kyll Thats what the mods are for ;)
 
@Kyll o/
 
@NathanOliver Do we have a mod with a fishing rod?
 
(she is even wearing a waffle hat \o/)
 
2:15 PM
@Henders Trashing your message so as to keep the transcript clean and stuff. Thanks for helping keep the site clean, do head to SOBotics if you want some robotic moderation help.
@NathanOliver Haha, true
 
This post was "closed as unclear": stackoverflow.com/questions/24661467/vba-deleting-chart-series/…. I don't know why it was unclear, I understood perfectly what the questioner asked, but I edited it last month. How does this post get reopened?
 
@JonPeltier cc @rene You voted to close this... Dang, two and a half years ago
 
@JonPeltier It is in the reopen queue right now thanks to the edit, where people will review it
 
It was closed from this LQ review: stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/5261168
@JonPeltier It's now in the review queue, folks with 3k+ rep can vote to reopen it if they want. Seems to be fine scope-wise as far as I can tell.
 
@Tunaki Are you sure it is in the Q? "Questions which get edited within 5 days of being closed will automatically show up in the reopen queue for review." (Emphasis added.) Link. Am I missing something else?
 
2:23 PM
Ah
 
Uh.
 
Oh.
 
@Tunaki It only goes into the queue while [on-hold]. Once [closed] it just applies the edit.
 
Eh.
 
Ih.
 
2:27 PM
@JonPeltier it is a write code for me question but, meh, if you're bothered to come here ... have a re-open vote on that question.
 
Well, the post feels scopey enough, albeit a poor quality one. Voted.
 
rip
I discovered a data error in a auditing database that's critical
Now I need to fix it until the 16th
RIP manually sifting through 50k entries and fixing them as necessary spread across 4 different tables
 
@Kyll Plop!
 
Life of an apprentice heh @Mag
Plop @Rizier!
 
@Magisch eww
 
2:29 PM
@Kyll I closed it as unclear so the OP would have a link to How to ask.
 
@rene Funny how ways changed since then
 
Yes, luckily I'm as consistent as always
 
I'm consistently not consistent.
 
ROFLMAO
 
2:35 PM
@Queen k
 
@DalijaPrasnikar That's a little old. We try not request closure for old question unless they have some new activity
 
Because, we've already got lots of [cv-pls]s. Can't afford to lose one more precious cv. :/
 
Well there is a lot of new garbage to go after. Not much of a point to close something that hasn't been touched in a year.
 
@NathanOliver Because new questions along same lines have been asked and when closed OP pointed to those ones as "good examples"
 
unclear
 
2:49 PM
@SmokeDetector Riiiiiiiiight...
 
It is cv please... I am not saying anyone must vote to close for above icon questions
 
@DalijaPrasnikar I see. In that case lets close it
 
@Louis "Whether solution A is more or less elegant than solution B is entirely subjective" - I'll disagree on that one
 
@JanDvorak Well, that's, like, your opinion, man.
 
No, it's not
 
2:59 PM
> el·e·gant
ˈeləɡənt/
adjective
adjective: elegant

pleasingly graceful and stylish in appearance or manner.
 
Arguments are in the next room over.
 
JAL
3:15 PM
morning all
 
@JAL o/
 
Yay!!!
 
It's working @Praveen!
 
I know... :D
 
Hiya JAL
 
JAL
3:17 PM
good morning!
 
@JAL howdy
 
JAL
@NathanOliver @gunr Up for some Ship tonight or this weekend?
@TylerH Hey Tyler, happy friday!
 
I can tonight. This weekend is a no go. Doing some travelling.
 
JAL
Nice, enjoy. I'll try to leave work at a sane hour tonight to play
For those who missed it: too many shogs
2
 
@JAL winter storm warning today
 
3:19 PM
@JAL I have a few things to do after work so I probably won't be around till about 6-7pm central time.
 
JAL
@TylerH Nice, stay safe. Got a bit of snow here in NYC, I think we're expecting a bit more tonight
@NathanOliver No problem, still earlier than I usually leave the office ;)
 
Why am I not getting any hats lately?
 
@JAL we will probably get 1-3 inches but not much will stick
however, in Georgia that is practically an apocalypse
 
3:22 PM
@PraveenKumar isn't winter bash over?
 
@TylerH It's there till 9th.
 
Oh
I guess I was thinking hoping it was confined to December
 
@TylerH :punch:
 
huh... here, four centimeters already causes massive public transport breakdowns
 
psh. 4cm is a dusting where I am from
 
3:25 PM
@PraveenKumar :dodge: :fail: :trip and fall: :pie in face: dangit...
 
@TylerH My WhatsApp for Web didn't work, so you are saved.
 
@JanDvorak 1 inch of snow predicted tonight and all the stores are cleared of basic foods
I'm gonna take the opportunity to just leave early and go home and play video games :-D
 
@TylerH I flew to Atlanta last year and I was next to a lady that was working in a convince store off the interstate when you had the blizzard (3"-4") several years ago. They were stuck there for about a day. They opened to store up to all the stranded motorists.
 
@NathanOliver yeah snowmageddon
 
It's not that you can't walk through that. But cars are trying their best to not crash on the ice. The next day the streets get salted and are usable. Spring come and people are complaining that the salt corrodes their precious they had been using throughout the winter.
 
3:28 PM
in 2014
@JanDvorak heh, in Georgia they use sand instead of salt
it's basically useless
just creates nasty wet sand
 
How about gravel?
 
no that would damage tires and doesn't dissolve
 
Normally trains use sand, but they bring their own. But you can't do that with cars.
 
I try to have a bag of salt and sand in my trunk during winter. Gives the back end some better traction and can be used if I get stuck.
 
Just a heads-up, There's been a lot of troll posts in the NATO today. So be a bit extra vigilant.
 
3:34 PM
Another wave of Christmas "presents"?
 
JAL
@BhargavRao Thanks, I'll take a look
 
@BhargavRao what's the criteria for merging answers of two questions again?
 
They must be an exact dupe. And it can be done only after getting a flag from community.
 
damn, this person used tabs instead of spaces
 
Yes, a great person.
 
3:45 PM
no a terrible person
because when I copy and paste his code back into the post, each element is double indented
 
@TylerH that was probably unintended
 
You're Doing It Wrong™
 
@BhargavRao So if I flagged this to be merged with this as the destination, would you / mods approve of it? I picked that order because the destination has an actual code example
@JanDvorak oh they definitely didn't intend to cause problems
it's just an example of how using tabs instead of spaces causes problems even if you don't intend them :-)
 
You wouldn't have trouble if you were using tabs too :p
 
Yes I would, what if my tabs are set to a different amount of spaces?
 
3:47 PM
@Tunaki I would
 
Quick! Let's devolve into a tabs v spaces political fight to be used as a case example for that MSE post!
 
@TylerH Tabs > Spaces
 
YES
 
@AlexanderO'Mara Yes, Tabs should be replaced with Spaces
 
@TylerH Tabs != Number of spaces
 
3:48 PM
irb(main):005:0> "\t" > " "
=> false
 
Alas, Stack Exchange does not have good tab support.
 
@TylerH Hey, there's a HTML and CSS mod. So most probably they'll look at it (so be really careful in the mod flag). I'm not so sure, But it looks like a "merge"able candidate for me
 
There, it's official and objective
 
@BhargavRao yeah but @Boltclock doesn't work like Beetlejuice
 
@Tunaki you should be able to set a tab as a space, and a space as a tab :p
 
3:49 PM
let's try it anyway
Boltclock Boltclock Boltclock
 
@AshishAhuja so that you're screwed over by people who do the right thing? :-D
 
#define Tabs 1
#define Spaces 0
printf("Tabs > Spaces? %s\n", (Tabs > Spaces ? "true" : "false");
@JanDvorak ^
 
Pretty clearly prints that Tabs are better than spaces yes. Quite objective.
 
@TylerH 3 times the charm. They might appear sooner or later. :D
 
So, basically, you've decided that spaces terminate your string early ... and are basing tab supremacy based on that?
 
3:52 PM
@BhargavRao thanks :-D
 
I've suggested switching to ZWSP a couple of times now, but nobody seems to think that's a good idea somehow.
 
@BhargavRao I have flagged.
 
@TylerH cross your fingers :p
 
and my toes
 
I support the no indentation fundation, no line breaks, just pure single-line programs
 
3:56 PM
Oh, Shog has commented on that post too.
So cross everything that you find
 
in Golfscript, I presume?
 
Any language.
 
SLJ it is then. AKA single-line Java
 
@Tunaki what is a fundation
like a foundation, but more fun?
 
Yes, because there is a "o" in problem
so we got rid of them
 
3:59 PM
Nice...
 
one of them
 
What about Tundation?
 

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