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1:25 AM
anyone over there?
 
No
not really :-)
 
1:40 AM
shhh you'll wake rene
 
Sep 18 at 15:31, by Andrew L.
Humans sleep. Flowers don't
 
@Enzokie: I'm not that sure. I have some faint memory I read an article about plants sleeping, too. At least some flowers close their blossoms over night.
 
Rene is an exceptional flower.
 
Morning
 
Morning
 
1:52 AM
Moring? That late already?
 
It is always morning in the Internet ;)
 
@Olaf nah.. I woke up early today; it's still 7:20 am here
 
@AshishAhujaツ now I know where u from :)
 
@Enzokie: You mean "somewhere it always is morning". Seing it that way, I'm not an owl, but a larch.
@AshishAhujaツ: in 3 hours we also have 7:00h. Maybe I should prepare for bed;-)
 
@Olaf oh.. that is really late..
 
1:57 AM
@AshishAhujaツ: Not for me. I'm not from this planet. I have a 28h day
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels that will be roomba'd; no need to waste delete votes on it
@Olaf ah.... TELL ME THE LOCATION OF THE PLANET! I WANT TO LIVE THERE!!
 
@AshishAhujaツ: Be careful what you wish ;-)
(If I knew which Planet it is and that I can exist there for a longer duration (more than I can keep my breath), I'd try to go there first.)
 
so you mean to say I should not come to that planet... ... ... :| ... noooo... :( ... :'(
 
@AshishAhujaツ I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
A bunch of books, good music, Some movies and - good by always fighting mankind!
 
2:04 AM
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Q: I don't want to [badge]r you, but I think this tag needs burnination

Andrew GrimmI came across a tag called badge. Is a piece of functionality like this a suitable topic for a tag? Does it describe the contents of the questions to which it is applied? and is it unambiguous? At least it's unambiguous. Is the concept described even on-topic for the site? It's more about bui...

 
2:18 AM
@AshishAhujaツ: yes, you're right. Sorry.
 
np. You can just ping an RO with the link to that message if you want to move it to the graveyard
 
@AshishAhujaツ @AshishAhujaツ: I didn't say you should not come. I just say I'd first have to find it myself.
 
@Olaf I was just joking :p
 
@AshishAhujaツ: I'm shocked ;-)
so, bed-time. good night!
 
Sleep well!
 
2:32 AM
@Olaf Ach Gottle, was hast denn hier angestellt? Anarchist?
 
3:00 AM
Severe case of XY problem and resistant to helpful answers: stackoverflow.com/questions/39613176/…
 
That doesn't look like a troll so much as a persistent homework avoider. This is a troll. :P
 
4:17 AM
I don't understand whether this is on-topic or general computing, anyone familiar with the technology? "Sitecode SCCM" stackoverflow.com/questions/32137339/…
 
4:46 AM
@Yam still unclear
 
I have this problem with my girlfriend too. — Andrew Cheong 2 mins ago
 
5:09 AM
^ so let's close it up if the OP cares that little
 
 
1 hour later…
6:15 AM
Aloha!
 
mornin'
 
@Drew oki
 
now I have to answer that dreadful thing
 
lol, I guessed so : ), have fun
 
@AshishAhujaツ I'd say so
 
"principal" is really hard to spell, just like "separate" and "definitely"
 
"It is not like we get paid to do this". You will have to wait long time until someone is going to pay you for downvoting someone's valid question on Meta instead of discussing the actual matter. — Alexander Farber 1 min ago
@drew He's stubborn.
 
Morning all
 
6:44 AM
hi
 
hi
 
could I ask code question here?
 
wrong room
which programming language it is?
 
English
thx
 
i mean programming language
 
6:49 AM
oh, js
 
Morning @ColdFire
 
i see. thx
 
np
@PetterFriberg Aloha
 
@Peterlu12 just for info, Caprica Six is a bot (hence not a person)
 
6:52 AM
haha
 
@ColdFire this was your shivy divvy can we close it now chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/33008705#33008705
 
ha
 
@Drew well if it has no MCVE sure it just reopened it , since it was closed as wrong reason
 
Unclear also works ^
 
or what ever else I hit first?
 
7:07 AM
in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 3 mins ago, by DavidPostill
(same luser, spamming multiple sites)
meeh I don't know, going for NAA flag..
darn rate limited....
> This IP address has performed an unusual high number of requests and has been temporarily rate limited
 
7:41 AM
went with resource request..
 
8:01 AM
Hiya
 
Hiya coding fish
 
Hiya, Mind... Wait... where'd he go?
 
\o. wait lemme check
 
Aloha Tuna and TLM
 
\o Petter
 
8:15 AM
 
@Tunaki - Converted it into a comment. Not worth keeping it as an answer
 
thanks!
 
thanks!
 
Thanks - for saying Thanks
 
ooh I see Tuna is also in Nato, great then I can work some : )
 
8:37 AM
@TimCastelijns unclear
 
that's what I did as well
I see I'm flooding chat with close requests.. I'll take it easy now
 
9:17 AM
wow, @Drew finally got the MySQL dupe hammer
:)
I still have a couple of months to get there
 
such a shame when you cast the last red flag and the post disappears before you've read more than the f-word. Guess I'll need to get 10k rep at some time.
 
@RiggsFolly I have a question for you on this answer of yours stackoverflow.com/a/25405267
 
9:33 AM
Plop!
 
Blob @Kyll
 
ah dam I thought I would hammer that
 
@Drew Go ahead, hit me
 
My imagination is lacking today: I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it is not on-topic - sighs... come on coffee - kick in!
 
9:49 AM
@RiggsFolly could you modify it with a // rem stmt of some type to show where a while loop would occur. I am trying to use it for a dupe close
 
@Drew Feel free to edit it as you see fit mate
If you dont want your name on it, ping me when you are done and I will fake an edit
 
Not spam
 
This question feels more like Server administration than programming. What do you think? cc @AndyK
 
plop
i've heard my name
and I came straight in
 
Plop Andy =D One of your questions ended up in my Watch
 
10:03 AM
I can see yours eyes are as strong as Sauron's one
 
@Kyll Spearrels wear watches!?
 
fun aside, I don't know
maybe unix exchange or ubuntu
it is true that it is not specifically about programming
 
@JonClements You'd be soup-riced.
 
true also I fixed my issue
 
@AndyK Ubuntu feels like a better home yeah, maybe self-answer there?
 
10:05 AM
but still I would like an answer
are there such tag @kyll?
 
@AndyK Tag?
 
self-answer tag?
many tags indeed
mmmhh
 
@AndyK I meant, post your question there
I thought you had the answer since you said you fixed it
 
I fixed it , I'm curious if there was a cleaner way to deal with my issue
 
@AndyK you've kinda got two different issues though: installing system packages across different versions doesn't work and then another issue that is why doesn't my pip freeze stuff work... you should focus on one at a time...
 
10:08 AM
@JonClements I did not see it that way. I thought both were related
Kyll, do you want me to close my question and open a new one on Ubuntu or do you have powers to move my question to Ubuntu?
 
Did I understand this correctly that this room is for chatting about possible closes?
Something that is on hold like http://stackoverflow.com/questions/39577253/validate-quality-cobol-code-jenkins-sonarqube-sonarlint-and-rational-topaz ?
 
@AndyK Mh, can't migrate it. Either mod-flag it for a diamond to move it or simply delete it and repost it on Ubuntu. It looks pretty nice so it shouldn't need edits
@SimonSobisch And any other SO / moderation related topics, yes =D
 
will do Kyll. Let me try to move it through a mod and then if not possible, will close it and open a new one on ubuntu
 
I think you'll have more answers there yeah. Thanks =D
 
welcome mate
 
10:13 AM
Any plans to move slightly south soon?
 
me @Kyll ?
 
@AndyK Yeah?
 
I'm in Poitiers, it's already the south of south for me ...
But I'm still looking to go to Tours soon enough
There is this nice thai restaurant I need to try again in downtown
 
Near the train station?
 
yes. You know it?
 
10:17 AM
I pass by it every day, never went in =p
 
ah!
let me check the address
I can't find it
I give you the name tomo. Need to ask my gf
if I go further south, it will be as close as possible to exil and to me, close to death...
(certainly dramatizing the whole situation)
 
@AndyK Haha, sure =p
@AndyK I know a very good bar, with very good beers. The exil will feel nice...
 
haha
 
ah! If beers are nice, there will be no exil. Amen!
 
I think this comment was directed to me, but as I'm not 10k, I can't read it (OP deleted the question directly after posting the comment). Someone care to tell me what it said?
 
10:22 AM
> Since it is a Mathematical Programming question I just posted it hoping that someone will guide about the appropriate logic, however I also doubted it to be closed :) sorry about the inconvenience.. I am gonna delete this question.
 
@DavidG well, that makes no sense. Oh well. Thanks!
 
Ask for a mod on the question @Kyll.
 
As there aren't any direct help links on the "put on hold" message may I ask what the next steps are?
 
@AndyK You did? thanks.
 
yep
 
10:27 AM
@SimonSobisch What do you mean by "next steps"?
@TimCastelijns [reject-pls] on it too
 
@SimonSobisch in the close banner on the question you linked, there is a generic link to "help center" (and a link to "edit the question"). If you want to point to something more specific, what do you have in mind?
 
@Kyll overridden by high rep user
 
yay
 
yay
 
yuy
 
Rofl
 
weird, that user has proper contributions
 
It was migrated.
 
I am about to comment, why remove :(
 
The "on hold" link to the help-center is fine. I just did not clicked on it because it is in the context of "reworded to the rules" (I just assumed this link was about the "what/how to ask" rules). May be my bad day...

By asking for the "next steps" I wanted to know the stuff that actually is in the help link (@tripleee I think to but the link on the "on hold" part [words two and three of the box], maybe additional, would make more clear that the help-center link is for the "on hold" not for the "rules" part).
 
10:48 AM
@Kyll another rude flag it is :P
 
@Adriaan ikr
 
@Kyll how's that answer accepted? :D
 
@SimonSobisch See the Roomba for your additional question
@Adriaan Someone has a special sense of humour. Nuke the thing...
 
if you would like to discuss a change to the wording of the "too broad" close message, maybe create a new question on meta
but keep in mind that it probably cannot be specific to Stack Overflow, as it has to work on other SE sites, too
 
10:51 AM
@tripleee and @Kyll thank you, can we vote for providing this link in the "closed-on-hold" page?
 
@SimonSobisch the roomba link? or the deletion link?
the "help center" link actually links to stackoverflow.com/help/closed-questions which seems to me like what you seem to be asking about ... maybe the link text could be clearer, because it implies (to me at least) that it's a generic link to the generic help
or do you mean to add to stackoverflow.com/help/closed-questions another link? there's already a bunch of them in the link bar on the right, including at least one of the two we mentioned above
 
BTW is there any rep change if you answer a question and your ans got accepted but then the questions was nuked?
 
yes i think there is
 
@Enzokie You lose the rep, unless it passed some threshold or was old enough. Can't quite remember the numbers at the moment
 
Oh I see thanks.
 
11:00 AM
@Enzokie relevant meta meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/334518/… (cc@Kyll)
 
@SimonSobisch just as a reminder avoid posting meta answer on those post, even if you deleted it, it may count for answer ban, hence use only comments.
 
ah got it, thanks for the link
 
@tripleee - yes, this was what I've meant, the link is fine but the text implied to me too that this is a link to a generic help. This could be clearer if the text is either reworded or (maybe additional) set to the "put on hold" part, too.

And I meant to add a link to http://stackoverflow.com/help/deleted-answers in http://stackoverflow.com/help/closed-questions
 
@SimonSobisch so the procedure for that is to create a suggestion on meta.stackoverflow.com -- see some earlier help wording questions to see how it's done
 
@PetterFriberg - my internet connection got lost while writing the comment, when it was back again I re-entered it and after pressing "send" recognized I know did so as answer. Then "moved" this to the commend.
Therefore I'd vote for a "delete permanent" timeout for own answers as we have for "edit"....
 
11:03 AM
this one looks like a reasonable example meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/288779/…
 
@SimonSobisch Yeah no problem, just liked to remind you
 
(even though it was declined)
 
poor @ryanyuyu
@SimonSobisch "delete permanent"? what is this a feature?
 
VLQ right if the answer is not written in English?
 
Non-english answers can be salvaged through editing
 
11:12 AM
@JanDvorak no, they can't
because the OP no longer controls what's said and can't respond to comments, as they're not in their language
 
^that, we are not allowed to transalte... there is a meta about it
 
true. VLQ then?
 
or NAA
 
@JanDvorak NAA generally, since it's not an answer, as it's pure gibberish being in a foreign language
 
> You are Chinese it? Recently, I also play the print image now you can play the pictures , but encountered some other problems .
 
11:30 AM
@PetterFriberg there were discussions "somewhere" (I assume it was on meta) to being able to delete the own answer. Currently it is just not shown (depending on the the rep). The best solution (also for a lot of beginners posting answers where comments are more appropriate) would be a "move to comment" option for the own "answers", maybe even additional as moderator tool.
 
Morning
 
Plop Nathan
 
its a spearrel, be very very quiet
 
@NathanOliver quite quiet makes quietly quite quiet.
 
@SimonSobisch on the face of it, a nice idea, but I'm afraid "convert answer to comment" would bring a whole new category of "oops, I didn't mean to" meta posts and general unhappiness
 
11:34 AM
@Adriaan lol. typo fixed
 
maybe it could be conditional on having somebody flag as "not an answer"
 
@NathanOliver Also it's
Early in the morning heh?
 
@Kyll no really, just had lunch :p
 
Yep. Caffeine still in the process of absorption.
 
@Adriaan Nathan I mean =p
 
11:35 AM
@SimonSobisch Yeah could be nice, FYI moderators can move answer to comments
 
@PetterFriberg they can
can the queue do that as well when everyone votes "Should be a comment"?
 
I don't think so..., I think only mods can.
 
@PetterFriberg yup - mod only
 
only ninja puppies
 
they get all the cool toys
 
11:38 AM
haha
 
how do I facepalm
 
@FirstStep Whats unclear about that? (also should be a comment to the OP about the error message)
 
@NathanOliver what is that should be a comment?
btw it has a duplicate, just found it: stackoverflow.com/questions/27316789/…
 
what is unclear about the error message
 
@NathanOliver I did comment, before posting here
 
11:52 AM
I did not see that
 
I commented "Did you read the error message?" then posted here then went back and added the explanation "_ If you have two parameters, optional parameter should be the second. If you have three parameters. optional parameter should be the third. So, optional parameters should appear AFTER all required parameters._"
 
@NathanOliver You are not watching carefully. :P
7 mins ago, by FirstStep
btw it has a duplicate, just found it: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/27316789/optional-parameters-must-appear-afte‌​r-all-required-parameters-in-c-sharp
 
lol. still waking up
 
It's alright. Coffee Cheers :)
 
12:02 PM
:)
 
\o/ waffles
 
@ColdFire o/
 
\o
 
@Enzokie o/
 
@FirstStep \o
 
12:07 PM
@Enzokie \o
 
@FirstStep o/
 
@ColdFire \o
@NathanOliver What is the best way to put the answer in words? "Does 'if (s1=="" && !(is1>>s1))' mean that 'is1>>s1' is executed if it is not-not possible?" stackoverflow.com/questions/39638559/…
Can I say "It will be executed but if it is carrying a value then execute, if not then continue"?
 
is1>>s1 is executed if s1 is not empty.
 
Should I engage further here? Please refrain from making any comments unless you warn others according to our pile-on rule
 
You may want to disengage. You can comment back of course your design can have false clicks since the button sits right above the ad. If you want to stop that but them on opposite sides of the screen.
 
12:14 PM
Meh, disengaging.
 
@FirstStep Yep, would flag VLQ though
 
"it attempts to answer"
 
Same handling, lesser chance of rejection =p
 
^ On it
 
12:36 PM
C# - Xml expert? Is this true? stackoverflow.com/a/39639166/5890227
I am just curious to know, that the same code would work by just adding the tag
 
@AndyK Oh, I thought it was L'indochine =p
This is a five minutes walk from home
 
lol
 
@AndyK Is it great then?
 
oh yeah
you need to try
 
I'll make sure to. I think I know who I'll invite even! =D
 
12:39 PM
morning all
 
Hiya ryan
 
Morning y'all.
 
mroning Plop ryan
 
@PetterFriberg you saw my declined MSO request I see.
 
@BaummitAugen morning
@ryanyuyu morning
Waffles this way --->
 
12:40 PM
what is the best way to permanantly delete files from linux??
anyone
 
@Drew Any other suggestions to help this guy? I think he's close to something good but I can't put my finger on what else he could do
 
Hiya Baum
 
@ColdFire Oil and matches
 
I've been busy lately. Deadline coming up soon. I'll be in and out of chat.
 
@ColdFire rm -f filename
 
12:40 PM
@ColdFire You, sir, are looking for this askubuntu.com/questions/57572/…
 
@ColdFire A magnet over that spot on the HDD.
2
 
@Machavity permanant and non recoverable
 
@ColdFire A hammer?
 
@NathanOliver haha nice idea
 
@ryanyuyu Yeah it was linked, so I pinged ya, what's up?
 
12:41 PM
i need permanant and non recoverable i neeed
 
@ColdFire You probably want shred then
 
@ColdFire A magnetized hammer set on fire with oil?
 
@ColdFire See? told you :P
 
@PetterFriberg oh not much. Lots of work.
@ColdFire the sun. Throw it into the sun.
 
told many pings and no one helping except @Machavity :/
 
12:42 PM
2 mins ago, by FirstStep
@ColdFire You, sir, are looking for this http://askubuntu.com/questions/57572/how-to-delete-files-in-secure-manner
 
its not my hdd that is why i want to delete data
tried the srm tool but talking too long
 
oh
 
"talking"
 
what about wipe?
can you recover data from wipe?
 
@ColdFire yes
depends on how securely wiped it was though
 
12:45 PM
i want it securely wiped
i dont have much time
 
Then probably no
but there's a direct negative correlation between time you take wiping something and how secure it is
 
writing one time is also fine
 
er, positive correlation
 
Yep. You want secure you need time.
 
as that data wont serve them any good
 
12:46 PM
one pass is not secure by any standard
but will 'wipe' the drive
 
@ColdFire That is not really secure. DOD grade wipe is 10 times I believe.
 
secure levels of wipe start at 3
 
ok any 3 times algo
they cannot get half data becoz it is useless to them
 
are you looking for software to do it?
 
anything is fine
 
12:47 PM
white canyon is one I hear commonly but it's not free
I think killdisk is free
it has 3-pass wiping
 
i am not concerned about means i am concerned about erase and free
ok will try killdisk
 
JAL
morning all
 
^ o/
 
Morning :)
 
Hiya JAL
 
12:52 PM
Good day JAL
 
@AndrewL. That is Jon Skeet right there
 
I know
what a surprise
 
Yeah, a Jon Skeet CV. And stock comment to boot
 
It is jon CENAAAAAAA
 
@AndrewL. self-promotion without disclosure by Skeet there in his comment :p
 
12:54 PM
Jon Skeena
 
JAL
o/ good day, evening, or night
 
Plop JAL and Andrew!
 
@Adriaan Lol
 
Jon Skeet CAN access private variables.
8
 
JAL
@NathanOliver what kind of automotive problems did I miss yesterday (re starboard)
 
12:54 PM
Plop!
 
@JAL Tyler's car was possessed by a demon. We finally figured out Kyll was stuck in the muffler
 
@JAL TylerH drove his vehical to lunch and when he came back it was acting really weird. After that he could not start it any more. If he jumped it, it would run, but die in under 30 seconds.
 
JAL
ah so weird
 
@JAL mine
 
@TylerH Get it figured out?
 
12:56 PM
not yet. I had it towed to my auto repair shop
the guy will call me some time today once he has a diagnosis
 
^ OP realized he made a typo
 
Let us know. I am curious. I can see it being sabotaged by the Spearrel.
 

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