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10:00 AM
@Kyll Locked by community? O_O
 
@Seth Hahaha yeah
 
@Kyll You're late
 
Hmmm...
 
When a post is deleted as spam it gets locked by community, its content is replaced by a placeholder, and it is deleted
In that case I arrived just before its content was replaced
 
Ninja-Kyll
 
10:04 AM
Hello :)
 
Plop!
 
oh sorry. My mistake
 
ô.ô
 
@AshishAhujaツ Language xD
 
Don't break it @Ashish
 
10:07 AM
copy-paste fail?
 
no. I was modifying it to make my own US, didn't realize I forgot to change the button
 
haha the report user script :)
 
@Kyll Madara'd
 
Ô_ô
Mods stealing our flags
 
Aug 29 at 7:10, by TheLostMind
Mod gets ninja'd when trying to remove spam
Don't worry
We have our revenges
 
10:10 AM
Ahh, gud :)
We need to revenge-ninja madara now ò.ó
 
Yeah no can do.
 
Wow - lots of "revenging" there... can't we all just love each other and give peace a chance or something something something...
 
Revenge the puppy!
 
@JonClements Love & something have no meaning when it comes to stolen flags :(
 
^ Basically: How do I make other users also see my messages. I have this front-end that adds a <div> when I type a message.
 
10:15 AM
@Ashish Hey, I got to learn about XOR-linked lists. Thanks =D
 
@Cerbrus Didn't you read the news? It's monday :] What do you expect?
@Cerbrus Shhh.
Mods are watching, don't use that word...
It's a bad word, remember..
 
Oh, right, don't wake'm up
 
Take something like rep-farmer ô.ô
 
Morning
 
Or rep-attracted-person
 
10:22 AM
Wait, we can't use that word now?
 
There are plenty of other bad words that are used as well.
 
Hey @Jan :)
 
Because it's not "nice".
Imo, Boo-hoo
 
@Cerbrus Yeah... :P
Curing symptoms instead of the actual problem is always a big waste of time & effort.
 
Calling someone a "Rep-farmer" means literally the same.
 
10:24 AM
@Cerbrus Remember not to talk about users here
 
Seriously... starting to feel like we are being treated like children now.
 
repwhore is just easier to type :P
 
@Cerbrus and to use that word, which is banned now
 
@Cerbrus And it sort of emphasizes the point that you want to make.
 
@Tunaki Fine, >400k rep user.
 
10:25 AM
hehe
 
@Cerbrus It's the same.
 
@DavidG Just read the question (and answers), you'll get what they're aiming for. c:
 
"Extremely high rep user"
 
Still the same :)
 
10:25 AM
Yea, no.
 
high rep user
 
@Cerbrus User in there => talking about a user => tunas user-sensor goes off
 
@Tushar No, it's an IDE
 
"someone that should know not to answer that question".
 
Do not use "user" in your sentence.
That's ... better?
 
10:26 AM
How un-specific does it need to be?
 
I believe that's better.
As un-specific as possible without getting unclear :]
Un-specific enough for it to not be directly associated with a certain user / user-group.
 
This is why I have a problem with going to extreme lengths in order to "be nice".
 
2 messages moved to Trash can
 
In the end, noone knows what the hell you're talking about.
 
Saying "Someone answered despite probably knowing better" is good enough me thinks c:
 
10:27 AM
Or not saying anything
 
@Cerbrus Naw, that's not be nice, that's room policy I think, eh?
 
"Be nice" is the room policy
Taken to quite an extreme, imo.
 
yeah but we moderate post not users
 
@ColdFire Don't.
I'm not moderating a user.
 
so better not to comment on any users
 
10:29 AM
And frankly, I'm tired of the same old "don't moderate users" argument.
 
tired or not it is the policy
 
It's applied as a means to silence an opinon.
 
It isn't about moderating users here. But look at it from the OP perspective: they provide an answer, someone only critics them here, 2 downvotes come.
 
That guy has that much experience on SO, he should know better.
 
@Tunaki I think they're well within the range where we can expect them to know what type of questions he should avoid answering.
 
10:31 AM
It does bother me too, but that doesn't justify talking about it here.
 
It's so useless, it's a question that's going to end up being closed as TB & eventually get deleted within a few days.
 
And since I can't "moderate" that user, I won't mention his habits.
 
He puts in effort to answer, and we have to clean it up.
 
No please don't
 
@Tunaki I just said I'm not gonna.
No need to tell me.
 
10:32 AM
Can't we change the rule book? This one seems to cause much drama
 
@JanDvorak Yes please. But good luck.
I'm gonna have some lunch. Break time...
 
@JanDvorak What do you want to change?
 
Me I'd replace all humans :-D
 
lol
 
Perfect plan. I have an army of bots in construction
 
10:34 AM
Tuna is just going to get his fish friends
 
@Tunaki So... Sam constructs tuna constructs bot army? ô.ô
@Magisch Oh yes, I'm hungry :)
 
@Seth haha everybody is
 
@Seth they will be in the majority and still swimming upstream
 
speaking of which, hungry too
afk
 
@ColdFire But I have to wait another 6 hours until I can go & eat sth, since I forgot my lunch today -_-
 
10:35 AM
remember, when no RO are around, you lead by example :)
 
@JanDvorak ;D
 
@Seth rekt
 
@Seth go to restuarent then
 
@Tunaki Good or bad? ô.ô
@Magisch :C
 
at least you don't have to drive all the way across the damn country next week
 
10:35 AM
@ColdFire Meh :/ I could, but I am lazy.
And it's expensive there.
 
@Seth haha then eat tuna
 
restaurant is like 15 euros for a meal
 
@Magisch Nope, I dont :D Do you?
 
aint nobody got moneyz for that
 
@Magisch We have a McDonalds right here (like 300m away)
Could go there, but.... nah. Too expensive.
 
10:36 AM
I thought you wanted food and not rejected radioactive waste
 
@Seth how costly is mcd there?
@Magisch that is costly
here you can get a nice meal for 200 RS
 
@ColdFire A hamburger is like 1€, cheeseburger 1.3€, menue like 6-7€
 
I reject your radioactive waste and supplement my own
 
@Seth that is not costly then nice:)
 
@Seth Yeah. I have to get up at 3.30am next monday to drive there then be there till 16.30 and then somehow get home, and for the entire thing I get -2 hrs since I'll be there only 6 1/2 hrs
 
10:38 AM
@ColdFire Well, considering it's fast food & I could get a doener kebab for like 3€ ... I think that's costly :|
 
Getting there and getting back will cost a low fortune, too
 
@Magisch Dafuq? O_ô
 
@Magisch Uhh, why's that? The company should be in charge paying you that.
@SagarNaliyapara Hiya :)
 
dafuq haha
 
10:39 AM
@Seth good luck coercing them into that
 
@Seth i see here you get a nice burger in 100 RS
@SagarNaliyapara hey
 
Maybe I can use train for reduced cost but it will still be like a months worth of non-rent money
 
It's a company thing, isn't it? Then they have to pay for it.
Otherwhise, don't drive there.
 
Easy to say and probably legally sound
Not easy to enforce, especially when your employer doesn't take kindly to insubordination
 
10:42 AM
Well, his problem, I always like those employers that play the "mean guy"
Only to be shut up by a simple law.
Ah, dang it, afk, I need sth to eat.
 
@Seth Yeah, and then you start getting formally written up over being 1 minute late and fired for cause for the second offense. You don't cross the owners in this company.
 
11:13 AM
@Magisch Meh :/
 
@Seth Its always easy to point to the law and demand your rights
But its also easy for employers to make you not want to do that
 
And that is precisely the issue I see with apprenticeships :| You cannot cut ties, as you could if you'd be a regular employee, since it's a long-term-thing
And you're pretty boned if they decide to cut ties with you.
I have a fair employer, but it disappoints me to see that some employers still play this stupid game.
 
Yeah, its pretty much either "play nice for 3 year or congratz you have entirely and utterly wasted 3 years of your life"
@Seth guy I know (different employer) got fired a week before his preliminary exam approval got through, for coming in under 5 mins late twice, and was not approved for the exam
 
@Magisch Same thing, sucky employer.
 
essentially spent almost 3 years there and had nothing to show for it but an "Arbeitszeugnis" which listed "Terminated for cause" (e.G worthless)
 
11:24 AM
Who has fixed times in the IT business nowadays anyway
:S
 
@Seth I do!.... not.
:D
 
fixed times only when it benefits the employer, of course
 
Fixed times never benefit an employer :/
 
Come in 20 minutes early? Your bad, that time is donated. Leave 1 minute late? Well, thats a tardy and 30 minutes unpaid overtime
 
And they don't benefit an employee either.
@Magisch And that's just stupid ^-^
People thinking like that should consider getting their mental health checked.
 
11:27 AM
Thats the same reasoning that got me to "Spend 8+ hours both ways traveling to a city you otherwise wouldn't have?" Well, too bad, that time is donated. Have to leave an hour before your end time from that site lest you don't catch the last train? Welp, too bad, thats unpaid overtime for you
Like I said, this employer only counts it as fixed time when thats not in your favor
 
That must be illegal...
 
Ofc it is illegal.
 
@Cerbrus Of course it is
 
Thing is just, what'd you do about it? :p
Sue em? Loose your apprenticeship & be left with nothing?
 
Citing legality of things is just a hollow threat if your employer can make you lose 3 years of your life nearly on a whim
 
11:29 AM
And probably never get a job again thanks to your history suing employers?
Welp, I took quite a bit of time applying for different jobs, looking for the right kind of company, and it appears I've found it.
Was worth the wait.
 
Morning
 
@Magisch You should consider hopping companies.
Morning NO o/
 
@Nathan Hi
 
@Seth Good luck getting that through the IHK
specially' when your current company doesnt play nice
 
Your current company has no saying in that :)
 
11:33 AM
In fact, it does
 
It's a special case suited exactly for the sort of problems you are having.
 
Morning NO
 
You can only switch mid-apprenticeship in "extreme circumstances" the determining of which includes an interview with your current employer
 
Extreme circumstances are not required :)
 
Or so my teacher who has supposedly been doing this for more then 15 years has told me
 
11:34 AM
In fact, I can hop companies right now.
It would take me approximately 3 days, assuming I have the company I want to switch to set already, and they're cool with it.
Just give the IHK a call.
 
Might actually try this after christmas
 
Would do.
 
Let us know how it goes
 
Do you get days-off-money / christmas-money?
 
No
 
11:36 AM
Quite funnily, that's a thing for apprentices nowadays in germany. Never heard of it before.
@Cerbrus I second that :)
 
Doesn't help though that my father is friends with the owner
So if I leave here it will get super ugly
 
Well, your father is a very disgusting person then :)
 
O_O THE FISH IS BACK
RUN FOR YOUR LIVES
 
Always lurking...
 
11:37 AM
s/RUN/SWIM/
 
@Kyll you're welcome
 
At least I'm not as much of a poor sod as the guy on the travel.SE HNQ question
 
@Magisch Link? :D
 
@Tunaki could you come to the testing facility if you have time? I was doing horrible with my first US
 
11:39 AM
Overstayed a visa in the phillipines for 5 years
 
@Yam This is now "too broad". Leave closed?
 
Apparently the philippines still has debtors prisons, so unable to pay the fine = life in prison
 
@Seth LOL might as well eat him
 
@Magisch Well..... That's just stupid. And his own fault, to top it off.
If you overstay you should check the consequences beforehand.
 
150,000 pesos is about 7.6k dollars.
Seems to be somewhat affordable.
 
11:41 AM
@Cerbrus Yeah, but he does not have money :p
And if you get into jail you cannot make money.
And if you cannot make money you cannot leave jail.
== Lifetime jail
 
yeah back to square one
 
Thats what debtors prison boils down to
 
In other words, the user we're not moderating right now isn't very smart.
 
Can't pay fine -> Go to Jail / Labor Camp
Jail / Laborcamp doesn't pay anything -> Never have money to pay fine
repeat until dead
 
while(noMoney()){
work();
}
 
11:43 AM
In some countries when you die they make your children go through the same hoop, as some government-fine related debt can be inherited.
 
@Cerbrus That .. feels like an understatement.
@Magisch North-Korea :) 3-generation-prison-sentence.
 
@Seth that is a exception country
 
@ColdFire Well... yes, but no.
You have similar sentences in a lot of countries.
 
@Seth Its a somewhat similar principle then in some countys of the US. Your money gets seized (civil forfeiture, no probable cause necessary). Now you have no money to challenge the seizure -> Money default goes to the police department
 
Yup.
 
11:46 AM
Like some other countys in the US, who charge for public defenders, and if you can't pay the charge, you don't get a public defender but still owe the money. Not paying that money then leads to incarceration.
 
@Seth really like which?
 
There are lots of places in criminal "justice" where the logic is remarkably circular
Like getting arrested for resisting arrest
 
@ColdFire Well, china has somewhat similar punishments (not 3-generations though) ;o
Labor camps and so on, they're not as rare as one might think.
 
@Magisch Well, maybe if he didn't resist arrest, he wouldn't have gotten arrested in the first place! Duh!
 
@Cerbrus I've had someone unironically make that point in a discussion once
 
11:51 AM
@Seth china is brutal right
 
Be careful what you mock
 
@Magisch Mock everything.
 
mock what you can mock
 
Especially yourself.
 
11:52 AM
@Ashish What are you doing?
 
@Seth I tried to put it in the console, I don't know why it reported here. sorry
 
@Ashish All good :)
 
China does have a law though that if you seriously injure someone, you without limit pay for the consequences of that
And if you cripple someone, you pay for their life long care.
 
Hello o/
 
Which is why people have started just killing people they injure there, which can usually be negotiated down to a medium fine if the person you killed wasn't rich of influential
 
11:55 AM
Hi Andrew
 
Hey @AndrewL.
 
@Magisch that happens in China?
 
@Magisch How do we say in germany? "Andre Länder, andre Sitten" :)
 
@Magisch Ah well, 1.35 billion Chinese to replace a single fallen one.
 
@AndrewL. Yeah. In many larger chinese cities, people who run over someone by accident then back up and do it a couple more times, as to avoid liability if they crippled them.
There are a couple of videos there, among them a mother with a toddler and the driver that hit them makes sure to back over the head of the toddler until it pops.
 
11:57 AM
That's horrid. My family is of Chinese descent and that's diesgusting...
That's evil!
 
That's how it works in China :o
The world is evil, China is just not an exception.
 
Daily reminder of what a really poor incentive will do to otherwise nonconsequential normal people
 
I personally haven't been there since 2007, guess it's changed
Or this happens and nobody cares. That's even worse
 
@AndrewL. Ugh, it fully depends on the location you're at.
 
@NathanOliver Long time no see! :D Hi.
 
12:00 PM
I've been to a lot of cities @Seth, but yeah, it really does depend
 
@PraveenKumar Same here. o/
 
:D :D :D
How are you?
 
Good. You?
 
o.o We have a Praveen
 
Good good...
 
12:01 PM
The world is full of unfair bull, and to top it all off we have global warming now, too
 
@Seth No, we have a problem, houston.
@Magisch LoL. What happened?
 
Hello @PraveenKumar :)
 
Hey all
 
Hiya Tim
 
Found a sockpuppeteer
Got 229 rep in total, 200 of which was aquired in just a minute on a single day, no rep changes since
 
12:12 PM
'coincidence'
 
@Magisch Flag for mod attention
 
Already done
 
@Magisch tell us of your discovery
 
And another one
 
Mod flag, include evidence and move on.
 
12:14 PM
550 rep total. Gained 200 each day in 2 subsequent days randomly spread across his answers, in batches of 3 per answer, in a total of 1 minute per cap
 
@AndrewL. Hey!
 
@PraveenKumar hey
 
@ColdFire Hey Jio guy...
 
@PraveenKumar hehe not jio , indian guy sounds better
 
There is this userscript to find sockpuppetry I found
it says on the meta post not to witch hunt with it
But if you manually look through the users and you're like 150% sure its sockpuppetry and would flag if you came across it in any other instance, do you flag still?
 
12:22 PM
Why not o.ô
 
@Magisch Luckily, sockpuppets usually aren't witches :D
 
Not a US, its a SEDE query
remarkably, every single user I checked by hand was like 200% sockpuppeteer.
 
@Magisch Yes flag. Just don't use the tool to start checking all user profiles that you see.
 
@Magisch link? :)
 
@NathanOliver It spits out usernames of users with suspicious voting activity
It doesnt check out individual user profiles
@NathanOliver Are you comfortable with me linking it here?
 
12:25 PM
@Magisch yes link?
 
The tool link will be okay
 
The ROs may have issues with me linking it due to meta drama
So I want a RO okay first
 
@Magisch I'd suspect the witch hunt warning was mostly directed at people who'd run the algorithm and then immediately turn results into flags. If you do your own examination, and you don't submit gobs of flags immediately but wait to see how they are handled, it would seem fine to me.
 
@Louis also, there's a robot that really hates when you dump a ton of votes on one person in a short span of time
 
@JanDvorak The robot minds less if you do that with 3-4 different accounts, like these people who show up in the script have done
 
12:31 PM
Wellll, that isn't allowed
 
Still, there is almost no way you could legitimately earn 200 rep twice, each time around ~15:00, all within a minute each, on 10 different old answers
 
We know sockpuppettry happens irrespective of the scripts in place for detecting vote fraud.
 
o/ Everyone
 
o/
 
Hiya first
 
12:32 PM
I think in theory the best course of action is to give mods the query
s/I think/IIRC, /
 
@JanDvorak They have it already, it's on meta I think
 
How is everyone doing today? Monday wuhuuu FUN
 
Its from a meta post from 2014 (I think?)
 
@FirstStep Half asleep despite 3 cups of coffee...
 
Hiya Second
o/
 
12:36 PM
o/
I have a noob Q:
 
you own a person?
 
Your in luck. We have noob answers :)
 
I usually drink coffee as espresso (condensed coffee - shots). When I am standing in line, I hear customers asking for "Double Double" or "Triple Triple"
What is the thing that is doubled? Tripled? etc
 
Double double = toil and trouble.
 
quantity of water
 
12:38 PM
Just water? same x amount of coffee, but with double the amount of water, or triple..etc?
Double Double sounds like two things are doubled
 
So, a centuple would be a homeopathic coffee?
 
I could have googled that lol
 
lol
 
in Italy an espresso doppio, just means they let it run longer.. more water (but the always runs through the coffee), so not really just more water...
 
@Magisch Brad Larson in his meta answer indicates some ways in which the query could give false positives. I don't think people should look at the SEDE query without reading Brad's answer.
 
12:39 PM
The "double-double" is a uniquely Canadian term that is strongly associated with Tim Hortons. It will get you a coffee with two creams and two sugars (or double cream, double sugar).
@FirstStep
 
^ This
Because it is Tim Hortons - And that franchise is Canadian
@ColdFire admit you googled that :P
 
@FirstStep ofcourse i googled that infact that is first result copy pasted here
 
Cool
@ColdFire You saw that video "What if google was a human"?
 
@FirstStep nope
 
@FirstStep a guy
;)
 
12:43 PM
^
"Lemme" get it
Here: lool youtube.com/watch?v=YuOBzWF0Aws there are several parts
This is the funniest youtube.com/watch?v=yJD1Iwy5lUY
 
hiralious
 
Waffle
 
@Seth Wie geht's?
 
@GabrielLaddel "There are either too many possible answers, or good answers would be too long for this format. Please add details to narrow the answer set or to isolate an issue that can be answered in a few paragraphs."
It says it right in the yellow banner
 
12:58 PM
And yes, that edit was not OK
 
Thx @Jan
Someone's salty :)
 
You'll find out soon enough that this kind of language is inappropiate for SE
 
One box!!!!
 
And we are disgusted.
 
@GabrielLaddel I was one of them, if you stop being so aggressive I might consider to explain and help ya out.
 
12:59 PM
You mean, penalty box?
 
Alright
He got an hour chatban
due to the two flag deletions
 

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