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@PetterFriberg Yes
Not only is it way off topic, they're testing waters most likely
 
meh, git on windows can be done with plain git
I wonder what would happen if I bomb tag that question with c, js, java and php...
 
12:42 AM
please try it
I wonder too :)
 
maybe if you had done it immediately when it got posted
 
brb setting up tor
 
Can I get one more set of eyes for too broad, here?
 
... and 1 del vote
 
@Tunaki How far through my last list of deletes do you think you got?
 
12:43 AM
didn't check on it the last few days
that long eh? Will check tomorrow
well, today...
 
nah, take your time, it's just hard to manage the list because I can't keep track of 200 posts DV needed
 
you need to make a shiny Spring MVC app :p
 
I'd write it in Go, learn a new skill, get a new gold badge
 
ooh you know Go? well, won't wait for answer, too late here, sleep time
cya
 
cya Tuna
 
12:47 AM
ciao
 
night @Tuna
 
1:02 AM
for me abuse, but if you like to only go NAA ok
 
hello everyone
 
@PetterFriberg No. It's wildly off-topic, not offensive/abusive. cc @Tunaki
 
@hichris123 It's rude
Hello @FirstStep
 
Hi @NobodyNada
wanna hit the bar?
 
@NobodyNada Um... what does awefawefpa have to do with relationship advice?
 
1:11 AM
> This feeds signal to SpamRam, the automated security officer that blocks IP ranges that keep doing this. If you don't want that system to kick in on these people... please tell me why.
That's the reason to Spam/Rude them
 
@Machavity It's wildly off-topic, it's not gibberish. It's not "inappropriate for respectful discourse". It's just way out there.
 
be careful it's not the last report, check that you are speaking about the same : )
 
Ohh yeah that might've been confusing... :/
 
a bunch of delete candidates, evaluate and vote as appropriate gist.github.com/sotodel/091f79549085552a895c9c50726de7f0
 
@hichris123 ok thanks, was wondering specially since it was unreg user... seemed close to abuse (note: the user has been nuked)
 
1:15 AM
If it's questionable, don't use abusive. And especially don't report it with Smokey. Otherwise, you're nearly assured it'll be abusive nuked... and that's not what y'all want to do for questionable stuff.
 
smokey sure, but how to flag, I go my own way, if no one can convince me otherwise. This case it seemed like unreg user having fun... and no loss for him if nuked.
 
I'd like to get that cv-pls above closed if you would all please indulge me
thanks!
 
1:33 AM
Hmm, typo or OK? Leaning typo but not sure
 
@Machavity Looks like typo to me
 
Thanks
 
2:12 AM
^ Not spam, just not English.
 
but definitely VLQ
 
2:59 AM
before you ever go to ski... see this youtu.be/3L20ovQCIic
 
first game i played
 
user4639281
3:46 AM
@tunaki turns out firefox is stupid, doesn't like for(const x of y) loops. Handles them incorrectly
 
user4639281
for the same reason that firefox handles for of loops incorrectly altogether
 
user4639281
because firefox doesn't handle for or let properly
 
user4639281
Cause it's stupid
 
user4639281
</rant>
 
user4639281
@Tunaki @AndrasDeak @Yvette and all other NATO'ers Updated NATO Enhancements, shouldn't get you rate limited, and should actually work in Firefox.
 
user4639281
3:58 AM
Someone is flagging random stuff in the C++ room again
 
user4639281
4:10 AM
At this point, I kind of want to close vote every question about flagging as "Primarily Opinion Based".
 
user4639281
5:05 AM
@Tushar not overly broad
 
user4639281
Answer is: input.map((obj, index) => obj.name.split("'").reverse().concat(index)).sort().map(arr => input[arr[2]]);
 
6:00 AM
morning
 
6:13 AM
@Magisch hi
does this belong on super user?
 
morning all
@dorukayhan pretty sure not here
 
@dorukayhan too vague for any site...
 
6:38 AM
@FirstStep you here?
 
6:49 AM
dang
 
fail
 
@triple the standard SD feedback for self-vandalism is tp-. (Dunno if you know or not)
MS is shouting that tripleee contradicted himself.
 
@DEAD I obviously did
@SmokeDetector duplicate
 
hey @JonClements
 
greetings :)
 
6:58 AM
I wonder is it ok to flag posts that got a blatantly wrong triage review for mod attention so the mods can talk to the reviewers about it?
Because I just stumbled across a posts thats utterly and blatantly off topic and got 3x requires editing and I went digging a bit further and many of these users only review as "requires editing" and "looks ok" and never as unsalvageable
 
I normally have a go over the reviews in triage each morning - but yeah, feel free if they're blatantly wrong and they're definitely letting poop onto the site...
 
@Magisch Tell them they can review-ban those users and they'd do anything you like happily
 
@JonClements This is the post I flagged. Are these flags actually warranted or is that just an exercise in futility?
 
@Magisch I wouldn't get too hung up over it, but yes - it's useful to know
 
o_O diamond spam nuke
 
7:08 AM
Nothing beats a good old spam nuke when you're just starting to work.. :]
 
@Seth I've already cast 16 spam flags this morning
 
I read that ad as: to get rid of your hair, we have the best shampoo
which is a feature of shampoo I didn't anticipate
 
@rene years ago I use to work on the Johnson & Johnson database - one dataset I was processing was survey responses for a new shampoo :)
Some of the responses on that were amusing to say the least :)
 
I got 232 helpful spam flags on drupal.SE
 
haha
 
7:13 AM
And I don't even know what drupal is
 
@Magisch Pfft, do you even
 
@JonClements hahaha, I can imagine that
 
@Magisch Well, you're a programmer and don't know what Drupal is. I'm not a programmer and don't know what Drupal is. I win.
 
@Magisch Keep it that way and you might just stay "sane" :p
 
I'm an apprentice programmer
I'm allowed to be a scrub
@JonClements too late for that
 
7:17 AM
@Queen f
 
@Magisch: Quite a special person on meta, eh?
 
Morning.
 
user3956566
@TinyGiant thanks
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Hold your horses on that one
I went a little digging on that guy
Magentax LTD (the company OP works for) and Designs2Html LTD have exactly the same website layout, the same contact number, and operate from the same office in the same city
That reeks of spam to me
 
7:32 AM
Morning
 
plop
 
Draai een keer in het rond!...
 
@Cerbrus Meh
Your usual wednesday morning on so meta
 
I CV'd that question. OP is not interested in input.
 
Hmm, is there merit in this FR? Opinions, ideas? Let's chime in there.
 
7:40 AM
I tried
Maybe they'll understand later
 
@Cerbrus Gedaan, en nu?
 
urge to flag rises
 
@rene Stamp met je voeten op de grond.
 
The neighbors don't like that :(
 
DO IT
(Gently :P)
 
7:43 AM
... okay ....
 
@Magisch Daayyyum ô.ô
 
@Seth charcoal HQ is a wonderful place
 
Zwaai je armen in de lucht, Ga nu zitten met een zucht.
 
@Magisch Indeed :D
 
user3956566
@rene I don't see how this would add value to the burnination process generally
 
7:44 AM
@Cerbrus de buren hebben 112 gebeld ...
 
Snel, stap nu rond als een gans, dan ben je klaar met de kabouterdans!
 
@rene Rightfully so, assuming you're not 6 any more, you might need medical attention ;-)
 
Before it's too late :P
 
@Yvette sure, but it might be a tag state before blacklisting
 
user3956566
I don't really know what to make of. Sorry
 
7:46 AM
I'm kinda disappointed in myself that I didn't have to google any of that...
Valuable memories xD
 
lol
@Oldskool No, I'm not 6 any more ... but that would make life way easier ...
 
@rene is an old flower by now
 
user3956566
@Magisch hey he's the same age as me. Don't use the 'o' word in here unless it's part of 'oop' ;)
 
@Yvette Is that a blossoming age? (I just can't resist making flower puns)
 
user3956566
@Magisch blooming well stop it will the flower jokes ;)
 
user3956566
7:59 AM
can see a dearth of flower punnets puns coming
 
Oh shoot, I called someone "him". Apparently, I have no respect for that woman.
 
@Cerbrus ... Don't let that cancer spread on SO.
Jesus christ.
 
The question was closed. Apparently migrated questions that get closed also get locked?
 
Yes
 
That's convenient :-)
 
8:05 AM
Indeed :)
 
@Cerbrus sigh
When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like insults nails
 
user3956566
@Seth ?
 
@Cerbrus I propose a new gender-neutral singular pronoun to avoid any conflict; "hir"
 
nah, "sir"
 
@JanDvorak That's already proposed
 
8:08 AM
@DEAD: screw that. I'm a guy. Calling me "hir" is disrespecting my parts!
 
Also "dear"
 
RESPECT MAH PARTS
 
@Yvette The people that get offended when there's no reason to be offended :) If you say "the OP", and later on "he", it should be clear that the "he" goes towards "OP", and doesn't "assume your gender" (writing that gave me some weird rash).
 
@Seth At least you got the quotations right
 
So, what's wrong with throwing in "I'm a she, BTW"?
 
8:09 AM
That's not wrong
 
@JanDvorak That isn't wrong.
 
But she implied I was being disrespectful. That's just BS
 
user3956566
@Seth never assume a users gender. try to remain gender neutral
 
@Yvette Please read what I wrote.
Carefully.
 
user3956566
and if you're corrected for calling a he a she or a she a he, it's not a big deal
 
8:10 AM
@Yvette using "He" doesn't assume gender.
It's just more personal than saying "It".
 
user3956566
he does assume gender
 
user3956566
s/he does not
 
s/he is just silly.
 
@Yvette There's a big, big, big difference between correcting someone for using the wrong pronoun, and insinuating that they're disrespectful.
 
@Yvette depends on the context
 
user3956566
8:10 AM
@rene I'll let you take this over. I'm getting the shits
 
in Ruby :: Sometimes on Rails, Aug 9 at 17:56, by Jan Dvorak
> "He" should be read as "he or she" throughout the book. ~~ Andrew S. Tanenbaum
 
@JanDvorak This.
 
@JanDvorak I like that.
 
user3956566
@JanDvorak that's a book, not life
 
@Cerbrus read up on prescriptive vs descriptive linguistics. From a prescriptive point of view, what you are saying is true (assuming we subscribe to the same prescriptive authority) but the descriptive fact is that a lot of people perceive "he" as not gender neutral
 
8:11 AM
In my language (and as a result I've grown a habit in english for this, too) there isn't a neutral form for most words. The majority of the words are gendered, and conversation default is "he" and "his". Failing awareness to specifically counter that, its just normal
When I remember I endeavour to use singular they and their, but I don't always
 
user3956566
@Magisch this site is English
 
@tripleee A lot of people should loosen up then.
 
I like singular they
 
@Cerbrus absolutely
 
user3956566
@Cerbrus you're saying women should loosen up
 
8:12 AM
@Yvette Well yeah, but many, many people on this site are not native speakers
 
@Yvette No.
Don't even go there, @Yvette.
 
@Cerbrus But will they ever?
 
@Cerbrus I'm sorry, but you are the one who is being unreasonable here
 
This is SO. When someone says "He", he just means "That person". He's not implying the targeted person is a male. They're just referring to the user.
 
user3956566
8:13 AM
It's all ok for a group of men to discuss how women should loosen up about being referred to as he. That 'he' is acceptable when referring to people. He is not. It implies you're referring to a man
 
We come from a context where "misgendering" is really only a problem if you make it one. Hell, I'll even respect any given pronoun anyone wants to be adressed by if they point it out.
 
@Cerbrus you are making this up. You can prescribe that, but you cannot read minds or discount feelings
 
Here we go again...
Papa mia...
 
Really.
 
@Cerbrus As the tradition requires, I'd need to see a reference on that
 
8:14 AM
Ten foot poles. Get your ten foot poles to measure the distance to stay away from this here.
 
^ got it.
 
Everything is only a problem if you make it one. Except textspeak. That's just disrespectful.
 
@JanDvorak Textspeak is wonderful o.o
 
I never realized people care that much about pronouns
 
@JanDvorak Your spelling of txtspk is horrendous
 
8:15 AM
I like the pronoun game
 
@Magisch Your 10 feet pole isn't long enough x)
 
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A: Does the SO community view itself as gender neutral?

bluefeetGender neutral is very difficult especially when you are dealing with users online because while you don't know who is on the other end, as Jaydles said I think most of us assume person is a man. Is that right, no? - but it is just what happens. Personally, when I am dealing with users, I typ...

 
"ten feet pole", is that how you call your private body parts now?
 
@Magisch People start to care about things when they feel that those things affect them in some way.
Even if they really don't.
 
@Yvette Would you prefer everyone used They and their instead? if so, why?
 
user3956566
8:17 AM
As a female it's a problem for me, that you guys think it's ok that every person is referred to as he in chats, comments and discussions on a site that is clearly for people
 
@Yvette It's not that it's okay, it's that it's not not okay.
Singular they is very hard to grasp and use for most nonnative speakers.
 
@Yvette Bible does that, too
 
user3956566
@Magisch Because I'm not a bloke and there's huge issues with woman in programming, but hey, I'm just histrionic and causing trouble, which is why there are many women on the site, you all think are men, because they don't feel comfortable revealing their genders
 
This reminds me of a vid I saw yesterday, some woman accusing a guy of -RAPE- for saying his name is "Hugh Mongous". (source)
 
@DEAD I disagree
 
8:18 AM
@Yvette Is there any negativity in defaulting to male pronouns on a site that has a like 92% (self reported) male user base?
 
user3956566
@JanDvorak well if the bible does it, then we must do it. Last time I checked the bible has no programming hints in it either
 
@Cerbrus LOL
 
@JanDvorak Dude, I'm a nonnative myself. How can you be more authoritative than that?
 
user3956566
@Magisch It is, if when a woman corrects a guy, you are all sarcastic about it.
 
user3956566
As it should be simple.
 
8:19 AM
I don't feel strongly either way because its a pronoun and thats very low on importance for me
 
user3956566
I'm a she not a he. And then it causes a note in chat about it?
 
user3956566
Instead of going, oh sorry or not saying anything
 
user3956566
And then you guys need to defend it
 
he correction itself didn't cause a note in chat
 
8:20 AM
@Yvette: Once again, I'm not debating that being "corrected" is bad. the fact she implied I disrespected her gender. that's nonsense.
 
immediately accusing people of gender discrimination due to a mixup did
 
Yvette, please understand.
 
user3956566
Instead of acknowledging maybe women don't like being referred to as he
 
It's not about the correction, it's about assuming that it was a sign of disrespect.
 
@JanDvorak It is not a hasty generalization. What makes you think that?
 
8:20 AM
@Yvette I don't like being referred to as "they", but I don't get upset about it.
 
Sample of one
 
user3956566
@Magisch I'm not accusing anyone of gender discrimination, I'm saying women don't like being referred to as he and you guys can't seem to wrap your brains around that
 
There are two worlds of difference between "I'm a female btw, so please drop the 'he' pronouns" and "You've referred to me as a he and you're thus disrespecting my gender"
Imo, at least
 
@Yvette We got that the first time.
 
user3956566
8:21 AM
@JanDvorak oh I'm a sample of one
 
I wasn't talking about only me. I never do.
 
Let's have fun. I'll get offended for being referred to as a "he", and even more so when I'm called a "she". I only accept the singular they.
 
user3956566
@Seth yeh and you're saying it's my problem, when it's plastered through meta, that women, generally, don't like it
 
@Yvette He meant me, dammit. Stop making such a huge deal out of such a tiny shave
 
user3956566
@JanDvorak that's a straw man argument
 
8:21 AM
I will legitimately punch something if you keep that up, Yvette.
 
user3956566
you all take it and blow it up
 
user3956566
@Seth so?
 
@Yvette As soon as anyone tells me, I'll start to refer to them as what ever they want. This has always been the case. What made this comment noteworthy was that she immediately jumped to the "disrespecting my gender" train, and even that was at best worth a quip
 
> @Cerbrus I am a "she" and not a "he", just so that you are respectful of my gender. – mel_sant 27 mins ago
(Emphasis mine)
 
Can we just stop this nonsense?
 
8:22 AM
@Yvette We are blowing it up?
 
@Cerbrus yes
 
user3956566
Because there is one opinion against all else in the room
 
I don't hold an opinion.
 
user3956566
And as I see it, I'm the only woman in the room at this moment
 
You have a point. Others do too.
 
8:23 AM
Whatever, I concede that referring to women as he is wrong, and will endeavour to avoid doing so in the future. This something thats worth fighting over
 
Did Mel really imply they were being disrespectful of her? I think not.
 
Yay, we are sexist.
 
Relevant spam :D
 
How fitting, a viagra spam...
 
user3956566
STOP making an issue if you get corrected for calling someone a he and they say I'm a she and then crapping on that it should be ok to refer to everyone as he
 
8:23 AM
deleted at -6 \o/
 
user3956566
@Seth and don't put words in my mouth.
 
5 mins ago, by DEAD
@Yvette It's not that it's okay, it's that it's not not okay.
 
Did she take an issue?
 
@Yvette Once again... The issue was not that I was corrected. She implied I was disrespecting her gender.
 
People make such mistakes all the time
 
8:24 AM
When people point out they're a she, I'm just going to use they
 
If you start bugging yourself for them, you'll get old fast
 
user3956566
This is what drives me nuts. I'm talking about one thing and you guys make it huge.
 
OK, let's stop this discussion, now.
 
We need a RO to clean up this mess...
 
@JanDvorak 42. <-- there's your answer.
 
user3956566
8:24 AM
@bwoebi what rather than refer to her as she or her, because you don't like being corrected?
 
Where's Tuna when you need him/it/her/hir
 
the discussion is over…
 
@Yvette I said, stop
 
user3956566
@JanDvorak You stop
 
user3956566
tell everyone else to stop and I will stop
 
8:25 AM
Ugh, can we just
 
Everyone else did stop.
 
Let's talk about ice cream
 
I did tell everyone else to stop, and they did
 
user3956566
@Cerbrus I replied to someone's comment
 
@DEAD too cold.
 
user3956566
8:25 AM
so if people are going to make comments and I reply. Don't have a go at me
 
@bwoebi No ice cream is too cold
 
Don't go there.
 
"stop" includes replies
 
@NathanOliver @rene @Tunaki We need some help here.
 
@Yvette calm down please and just close the chat then.
 
8:26 AM
sigh
 
Kicks aren't permanent. Closing the chat isn't hard.
 
can't we just get along
 
user3956566
@bwoebi than don't ping me
 
user3956566
if you don't want me in here
 
What a thematic typo
 
8:27 AM
nobody in here has an issue with you here, @Yvette
 
@Yvette we have no problem with you… just when discussion is over, it's over.
 
Watches in disbelief how a normal everyday conversation escalated to insulting in mere minutes
 
@Magisch I was under the impression this issue was resolved ages ago already. Apparently not.
 
we all like you and we like that you're in here
 
Who here likes ice cream with sprinkles?
 
8:27 AM
@DEAD (it's actually just one person … escalation is … something else)
 
@Seth stop it
 
@DEAD What are sprinkles?
 
@Seth Let's talk about religion. That escalates even faster.
 
there is no need for that kind of animosity here.
 
@Seth small things that you sprinkle on top of an ice cream
 
8:28 AM
@DEAD Than we'll all end up like your name >.<
 
@DEAD It depends on who is in here…
 
@Seth But in small letters
 
@DEAD But that's silly ;-)
 
@bwoebi Tell you what, I'm a Muslim that has a history of constructive conversations, even on SE.
But anyway, I was joking.
 
@JanDvorak Ahh, I get it :p
 
8:29 AM
Ice cream is much more important than religion.
We can't eat religions.
 
I agree.
:]
 
@DEAD It does not depend on your religion but on your views on your religion.
 
Should I make a userscript that lets you mark every person in chat with a gender marker?
 
I wonder what ice cream @rene likes most.
 
@JanDvorak stop it
 
8:31 AM
@bwoebi Well, I try to keep everything unbiased.
 
@JanDvorak why are you now continuing it?
 
I did stop.
 
No one is right in the current world anyway.
 
^
 
@DEAD yeah, then it's all fine… there are enough people who aren't though … not that many, but in larger rooms, sometimes enough to have it escalate
 
8:32 AM
Let's talk about religion
 
Oh crap
 
@DEAD Yea, that pretty much describes religion :P
 
But what about ice cream; our ice cream discussion remained unfruitful
 
Hmm, melon ice cream. </fruit>
 
@DEAD Peppermint + woodruff ... :)
 
8:33 AM
No, I don't like melon ice cream. I prefer vanilla.
 
@Cerbrus Wolves like melon? Who knew
@JanDvorak You must be an interesting person to meet IRL
 
@JanDvorak Anyway … would be certainly interesting to know how people perceive their god(s)
 
Do you also eat hotdogs without mustard?
 
@DEAD absolutely!
 
I don't eat hot dogs
 
8:34 AM
Hot dogs eat you?
 
Hot dogs don't eat anything
 
@JanDvorak spaces changing meaning ;o)
 
@DEAD No >.<
 
I don't eat hotdogs either
 
@JanDvorak Oh, you're vegetarian?
 
8:35 AM
Wikipedia says the space belongs there.
 
hmm… I'm wrong it seems… In German it's one word, in English two words
 
'cause I can't imagine someone who eats meat and doesn't eat hotdogs.
 
Sometimes I buy a bag of sausages and eat them raw back to back.
 
@bwoebi That really doesn't matter as long as the meaning gets across
 
@DEAD as long as I don't have to eat dog flesh, all fine
 
8:36 AM
@JanDvorak Like cavemen! ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ
@bwoebi No one is going to hate you for not eating hotdogs
 
@DEAD Hotdogs aren't exactly what you call "quality meat"
 
The first humans on Earth already knew how to cook meat. They just didn't eat it.
 
. . . much
@Cerbrus Depends on what part of the world you are.
 
Eh, correction: Hotdogs aren't exactly what you call "meat"
 
Yes I got that
 
8:38 AM
Stack Overflow Language Reviewers
 
Not even sausages should be called "meat"
 
I never did
 
Sometimes I eat mouldy cheese for breakfast.
 
@kayess Well, we've successfully managed to wreck havoc and go off-topic for some time.
 
twice
 
8:39 AM
I didn't count
 
I mean, twice as of today
 
I'll have to count the survivors after rene finds out about all this
@Shadow ARGH MY EYES ON-TOPIC CHAT MESSAGE
 
More like unclear
 
Seems clear as a bell to me.
 
@DEAD after reading the conversation on religion intermingled with ice cream, I thought I should spice up the conversation
 
8:43 AM
Have you looked at the format???
 
@RiggsFolly since when are London buses too broad? I regularly have to skip buses because there is no space left on them
 
They are too tall for sure
 
Its just a phrase used by us old geezas
 
but... why?
 
is this post nuked with spam/rude/abusive flags, or merely deleted?
 
8:51 AM
@dorukayhan deleted by mod, looks like spam
 
But... OP says it's not spam.
 

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