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12:02 AM
It shows about 20:00 for me right now. So early evening for you?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I sleep from 2am to 7am NYC time
 
@Drew Yeah, 4-5 hours is fairly enough (and more doesn't seem to be possible most of the time, at least for me)
I remember times when I could sleep 10 hours or so, these seem to be gone for whatever reasons :(
Getting old I guess
@Drew Good to know, what our daylight overlap times would be :)
 
12:21 AM
The way others view SO in a nutshell: codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/90667/…
 
user3956566
spam guys ^^
 
@AndrewL. I have drastically reduced my SALT intake.
@πάνταῥεῖ I sent you an email
 
user3956566
hehe did you see that answer lol too funny, why would you attempt to answer that? Ooh a hugely downvoted at the best too broad question, at the worst spam, better write a one line answer quick!
 
@Drew that's good. How many mg/day?
 
@Yvette My next comment would have been that I see all my chances are odd to engage with you, because you're already mingled with smokey :)
 
12:30 AM
@AndrewL. I have the Ramen packs for the Shrimp taste. Needless to say i would like to tear into them and just gorge out on just them. Food is so boring without salt
But two days of real small salt intake is good. I mean, I have simple heart issues that I need to address so it is not just trivial stuff
 
@Drew I remember from the yesterday transcripts it was mentioned salt can actually kill you, too lazy to grab that out right now :D
 
Nice, but shrimp?
Sodium poisoning :D!
 
@AndrewL. Shrimp chips? Nice stuff
@AndrewL. Yeah that stuff :)
 
I like those, but shrimp by itself is quite bland and chewy the way I was raised on it
I don't like fishy stuff, but salmon I'll eat
 
It;s just a salt foil pack. It can say Beef I would chow it
 
12:36 AM
@AndrewL. They're raised in their own shit. It's a bit questionable if you really want these. But when thoroughly fried,, who cares actually?
 
Popcorn shrimp I like :)
 
@Drew I prefer angus lambs :)
Gourmet stuff
 
It is not even shrimp. It is industry flavoring. Get off the raised in own poo poo stuff
 
I love myself a good steak, although I now limit my daily intake of red meat
Beef ramen flavoring goes on almost everything
 
12:41 AM
@AndrewL. Who says you need meat on a daily basis? That's may be not good into any direction (health, economy, animal welfare).
 
As in some days I don't eat meat. I used to be able to a pound. Now I can't even eat 6 oz
@Drew Wow. What illness could he possible die from if he not take sea salt everyday?
 
I'm certainly not going to get vegan or such, but I love (and I'm satisfied) with my tuna(ki) sandwiches :)
 
I don't particularly like tuna, but cod, salmon, trout, etc. I can eat
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I sent a wrong URL to you. Corrected.
@AndrewL. Too much salt or too much water can kill you. It is all in the dosing.
 
^ is that custom flaggable, the username?
 
12:48 AM
Might also note Potassium is never given in a supplement with any real measure. It is toxic
 
The answer isn't particularly offensive, just naa
@Drew Oh, forgot about that.
 
user3956566
it's abusive and the username needs to be flagged
 
user3956566
the only purpose of posting it is to insult people, a troll
 
Ok, I can't raise another flag?
Only one per answer? Not even a custom flag?
 
@AndrewL. Flagged as offensive. Such is braze faced if anything at all!
 
12:50 AM
"Your children all of you" reads like an insult to me.
 
user3956566
exactly
 
Oh wow retraction?
 
user3956566
I retracted flag and mod flagged username
 
What I did also, but when did retraction become a thing?
 
news to me bro
 
12:52 AM
I'm not complaining haha. Too many times have I accidentally misclicked
 
@Drew I see. We should get to make something valuable about our skills shown here. Leave me a day or two, to make up my thoughts.
 
prob the mods demanded a flag re-do ha
 
@Drew I'm a very serious boss here, but that doesn't apply for my current tasks and projects. I'm formally the (software) project lead and architect. But all as a one man show from requirements analysis to implementation.
 
@Drew And yes, I'm pretty bored about that and feel I don't get the money I deserve.
 
1:00 AM
@πάνταῥεῖ I know
 
I'd work much more effectively if I had the chance to delegate all that shit to busy bees, but I'm not at this position right now :(
 
Just find a nice team to work in that makes you happy. Life is short.
I like constant chaos and uprooting what I do. Consulting has only been the way.
I have friends that can only learn stuff from a Community college course.
 
@Drew I'm a good team player, if you give me one. I had hopes you could do so?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I said I want to hire you.
But you have to build that team as a partner.
Get some sleep. The world loves you :p
 
Also I'd like to sneak outta that shitty job (as it turns out more and more since the company is going to be restructured in whatever direction) to something more solid and giving me values until I'd like to went to my retirement (if ever), before riding down to the coffin.
 
1:08 AM
And that really is it for us all. A little control over our destiny
 
@Drew Let's cooperate. I like your ideas!
 
I could take you Yv (Greg, love his handsomeness) and TimC and .... all of you and make something. You guys have to first believe in yourselves.
 
@drew If you have market contacts, just let me know!
 
@πάνταῥεῖ You are missing the point and selling yourself short due to years of pigeon holed mentality. You need to shake those chains and build a team. And you have the structure to do that and that is me.
No one is going to hand the next lollipop to you.
--
Ayn Rand sorta stuff
 
@drew @Tiny is of very high potential. @Petter is a boos already (as they left us to know). For the latter I don't actually like their field of operation for ethical reasons, but WTH.
 
1:13 AM
Just do it.
@PetterFriberg is a what?
 
@Drew I'm a bad business man, but a good technician that's the culprit.
 
what did you mean about Petter?
Petter did a lot of stuff for this room and others
 
@Drew A boss, of course. They mentioned themselves.
 
@rene says the flower that looks like a blur :P
 
Ok sorry I thought you meant boo to Petter my bad
 
1:17 AM
@Drew They mentioned to run their own company to me.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ you have to have confidence in yourself. It is the last missing ingredient.
And there is no reason for you to do that to yourself
To live every day wondering how the next restructuring will affect you. It is sad.
 
@Drew went through the top 24, will do the rest tomorrow
 
Thx Shadow. The purple text was meant for you. Appreciate it.
 
@Drew I just don't like their major field of high speed trading and that. Even with their deeper explanations it's fishy for me, much as is doing development for the military industries. But well, I'm working for (TV) broadcasters, if you think that over seriously from point of ethics that may come out to be the worst at all :(
@Drew I'm frickin' good technically, yes :). THX for the heads up!
 
If you don't do it someone else will. Arbitrage is real. So are drones.
I studied math and crypto. We all went into and out of the financial markets and military. Big deal.
 
1:27 AM
@Braiam I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
So get over the ethics thing. What is that all about? You think your org or country doesn't have reasons?
 
@Drew We should beat them at the technical and the ethical level. Because we're the one's that want to build a better world, rather than earn the money. I want to see my (non) daughter growing up in a better world.
 
I don't want to beat anyone in that area. They have money, I take it. I am not a left-wing zealot.
I am a realist.
 
I think I see πάνταῥεῖ point... THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN!
2
 
Then quit your job
Until then, you promulgate whatever we are talking about in this nebulous fashion due to your own insecurities
 
1:37 AM
@Braiam I think you've got that very well.
 
Need a couple more reviewers on this R question. Currently 3 Too Broad votes since there are infinite possible correct answers to this ultra-basic question. stackoverflow.com/questions/39090680/…
 
@Drew Besides that we also have some responsibilities. I don't mind earning money (that's also important to keep up your family of course), but I want to possibly see my children (even if not mine) living in a better world as we see it right now.
As @yvette mentioned I'm probably a hopelessly romantic.
 
@Drew being insecure keeps us humble!
 
@Drew I left from dreaming 30 years ago.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ you are too much in need of repair for me, I say that lovingly. Here is a smile :p I don't have time for it
 
1:49 AM
@Drew Don't misunderstand me. I still think your idea is good, we just should push it into a lasting direction. You can win a lot nowadays advertising for that (may be I'm a better businessman as I feel right now). Let's go for green development and business. Looks promising these times.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I am too busy for this
which might explain why I don't recruit here. Note to self: it failed again
 
@Drew I'm still available, but not giving up all of my opinions. May be we could find some way outta that limbo.
@Drew What did @yvette say? I'm really eager to know that.
 
I sent you an email and all of that was to pull it out of this room. But instead you air this laundry here. I don't understand your intention. I have rene to deal with now.
You violate discretion rules.
 
user3956566
@πάνταῥεῖ I have no idea what you are talking about
 
@Drew Again: I'm still interested in your business model, but I'm not gonna sell my soul with a blood signature for that :)
 
2:00 AM
I sent you an email and you can deal with it there.
 
@Yvette @Drew mentioned you earlier. Search the transcript a bit.
 
user3956566
@πάνταῥεῖ what about?
 
52 mins ago, by Drew
I could take you Yv (Greg, love his handsomeness) and TimC and .... all of you and make something. You guys have to first believe in yourselves.
And I am frustrated that @πάνταῥεῖ is contantly down on himself
 
@Drew You probably seriously misunderstand my opinions and feelings. I'm not down on myself, I'm pretty proud of my self, and all that frickin' good work I've done so far. My current job bores me, and yes I'm actually look for some better occasion. But however, I'm not giving up any of my opinions and ethical beliefs forwarding there. I'll find my place, and maybe you could offer me something appropriate or not. That simple.
 
user3956566
I work for myself and with a team that's fab
 
user3956566
2:12 AM
I'm not looking for work
 
@Yvette Ah you lucky one!
 
user3956566
I really enjoy my work and have a very good rapport with team members, we share projects
 
@πάνταῥεῖ We need to expand our Practice Areas and that is why I sent you an email
Because I found a guy that could do that. We don't sell Chernobyl chems to children
And you could have followed that up in emails but you did not. You came here.
 
@Drew I'm still available, I mentioned that. You have to deal with my creeds. If that doesn't fit then it doesn't fit. I may be the boss in the field you'll in need of ;).
@Drew Sorry to bring that at the public. This might have been inappropriate. Let's talk disclosed further OK?
 
3:05 AM
^ Undisclosed I meant of course!
 
3:31 AM
it was nominated as a duplicate of a different question originally so I lost my hammer privilege there
 
Argh. This got closed while I was preparing an answer. stackoverflow.com/questions/39091681/…
 
@Joshua maybe post it on ideone.com in the meantime
I'm guessing there will be duplicates of that question anyway
 
 
2 hours later…
5:28 AM
-16 before deleted? 0_o
 
6:05 AM
Good morning
 
@Magisch I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
6:23 AM
that's a bit harsh? this looks benign and well-intentioned, if misdirected, to me. stackoverflow.com/a/39093709/874188
 
That should have just been marked as spam
 
I'm guessing it was thinly veiled spam, the redirect is to a completely unrelated resource
 
Then why would you edit it with the completely unrelated resource?
 
@FrankerZ sorry, only noticed after finishing the edit, but rolling back now makes no sense at all
 
It's ok to take a few seconds to review the post before making a decision. So many people jump the gun
 
6:31 AM
Not spam in my opinion
both of those are programming tutoring sites and the Q is asking for that
Its a sad bad link only answer but thats about it, no spam
 
good morning
 
@Magisch Should VLQ questions be marked as NAA for smokey? I was under the impression that it was an answer, and we shouldn't mark things as such
 
Also, do you have a link to the latest userscripts for smokey?
 
@FrankerZ imo it was skirting the line between link only and naa, so I went naa to be sure
 
6:40 AM
quick question: I would like to implement the socvr bot on a chat room. how can I do that? @PetterFriberg said one of you might help me ...
something like @SmokeDetector
 
@Magisch Did you see my second question?
 
I'm only using the FDSC user script so I have no clue
 
Which bot?
@Magisch That's the script I'm talking about
 
And I'm using the same version I was three weeks ago
 
6:48 AM
@tripleee so I just need to install that on a server and link it to my chat room? Am I correct...? github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector
 
github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/pull/134 shows when they added the Money room
@AndyK never attempted that, getting the existing bot to cover your room is probably less work for you
 
@tripleee ok
 
I don't see any of the bot owners in the room right now so a GitHub issue (or pull request, if you can) might be the best way to get their attention ... but I don't have any further insight to how they want to arrange things
 
@tripleee aren't there a howto document on how to do that ...?
 
@AndyK the "better link" looks simple enough; if you can't do that then create an issue in the Github issue tracker
 
6:59 AM
@triplee that's for the configuration of the bot. I was more thinking on where to host the bot and how to make it interact with the chat room
 
@AndyK I would assume that having your room added to the master configuration adds useful synergies (metasmoke etc) -- if you want to run completely your own, there are some notes in the README.md but I would recommend getting in touch with the bot owners first in any event
the current bot appears to be running on somebody's Raspberry Pi (Sam's?) so I don't think you are going to find a lot of documented formal hosting requirements
 
many thanks @tripleee
 
and if you can pull that off, reconfiguring it to talk only to your own room should be a simple matter (though I guess it depends on having access to the metasmoke machinery and stuff like that in order to run properly?)
 
7:19 AM
@Queen f
 
@tripleee k
 
@πάνταῥεῖ thanks, but my command set is different from the bot's (-:
 
Morning
 
@tripleee I know you aren't a bot. I'm using that sometimes to express aggrement :)
@Queen k
 
7:26 AM
@Magisch I object to the word consistent here. I don't think this room shows any consistency, still it thrives ...
 
moin
 
Morning
 
@rene Maybe you and I have a different definition of consistency
 
@kayess o/
 
Morning everyone
 
7:33 AM
the same user has posted two subsequent questions with essentially the same question, both now closed as unclear, and one of them recently deleted by OP
 
@rene If you feel strongly enough about it, you can edit it back
 
@tripleee Downvoting might probably help to stop them (getting banned)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I don't particularly think they need to be banned, just dissuaded from posting duplicates
 
@tripleee Why didn't you close vote for a dupe then?
 
@tripleee: you didn't help matters by editing out the shorterner here: stackoverflow.com/questions/39093670/…
 
7:40 AM
A ban comes naturally and automatically to those who fail to take a hint
 
@πάνταῥεῖ can't dupe vote when the dupes don't have answers
 
There was a chain of URL shorterners there, checking them all to see how badly the account posting the junk needs destroying now.
 
@Magisch I thought dv-ing fastens that process
 
@MartijnPieters sorry about that, I'll be more careful
 
@πάνταῥεῖ It does, but thats not a concern when voting
 
7:41 AM
@FrankerZ: in that case, a custom flag may have been helpful pointing to the nasty use of shorterners; I missed that on the first pass and declined the spam flag.
 
We don't dv to ban users more quickly, we dv to indicate a question or answer is garbage
 
@Magisch Well, the question was unclear, dv is deserved.
 
@MartijnPieters When smokey saw that it was in its original state, but when I clicked through, it only pointed to codeacademy and some other generic site
 
@Magisch I'm looking at the tiny.cc and bit.do feature lists to see if links can be altered through those services.
Currently the bit.do link points to a tiny.cc link, which points to stackoverflow.com/questions/39092682.
 
@MartijnPieters Going to the original bit.do link makes my kaspersky web protect protest
 
7:48 AM
and bit.do only offers real-time tracking.
@Magisch I'm re-testing the links with different user agents and other headers, but so far no problems.
 
@MartijnPieters You know bit.do allows link owners to real-time track the IPs of everyone who clicked that right?
I would classify that as abuse
 
The same applies if you use your homebrew link shortener or (heaven forbid) hobby website.
 
@MartijnPieters Also "Did your web page URL change? Tiny lets you modify or change URLs anytime. Click "Edit" to update either the long or tiny portion of the link. " Tiny.cc allows people to edit links. It could be changed to a spam link later
 
@Magisch that's a good reason to severely warn the user, rather than outright destroy the account.
@Magisch now we have a reason to destroy the account. :-)
 
It's clear spam
 
7:53 AM
@MartijnPieters :3
@FrankerZ nah
 
@FrankerZ spam for what? I don't even understand a thing there
 
Thats just some guy (or gal) who is once again misusing this site as forum
 
@Magisch That's what the spammers want you to believe
 
vgm all
 
whats the point in that spam?
 
7:54 AM
Just playing the devil's advocate...
 
Now that's spam
 
Now thats some spam
and it lived around 20 seconds
 
Now that's some spam
And now it isn't
 
@JanDvorak if you are not just messing with us, could you please explain your reasoning? there is nothing to click, nothing to search for, no apparent promotion of anything
 
What is it then?
 
7:57 AM
@JanDvorak if you have a search box on your web site, it might amuse you to check in the server logs what sort of things people type into it
@JanDvorak now, it would not surprise me if the reason somebody posted that is to test whether they can post off-topic stuff, but that doesn't make it spam
 
It might get edited into spam
 
@JanDvorak or it might be edited into a competent answer; you can't flag based on that
 
VLQ still
 
@JanDvorak absolutely, no point in discussing that
 
8:17 AM
@Magisch meh
 
8:28 AM
@Magisch I certainly have
 
@TheLostMind Thanks. :)
Even better.
 
@Oldskool - Ywc :)
Ya. No point in keeping posts that have no value whatsoever
 
@Magisch THX for that nice conversation ;)
 
:3
 
@AndyK if you run the Smoke Detector for your own room, make sure it doesn't post also report in here. I'll kick your bot if that happens.
 
8:41 AM
hey @πάνταῥεῖ
 
@ColdFire \o
 
@πάνταῥεῖ You already shopping for ponies or just dreaming? ;-)
 
@Oldskool It's just a phrase of course :)
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I know, just kidding ;-)
 
@Oldskool At least I mentioned lucene. It's questionable though if we should encourage such questions by giving "answers" in comments.
 
8:56 AM
@rene a kick like this , I assume english.peopledaily.com.cn/mediafile/201007/09/… ;)
 
@AndyK Flowers fly?
 
@Adriaan not sure to understand ...
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I don't bother. It would just encourage them to ask something like that again in the future.
 
@Oldskool Sure, that's why I expressed my doubts about it here. It's actually rare I'm doing such.
 
@AndyK that orange-clad dude is obviously flying with a soccer ball. So if Rene does the same, does that mean he flies as well?
 
9:01 AM
Jasmine blossoms fly like hell :)
 
@Adriaan I'm sure @rene will give a similar kick to that bot if it misbehaves :))))
(and that René will fly)
 
spam
 
should that question be closed, too? ^
 
May I get privileged, please?
 
@JanDvorak Haven't you been here for a long time?
 
9:08 AM
I'm wondering, too. Long time was, long time wasn't, quite some time have.
 
@rene @Tunaki @NathanOliver @gunr2171 Smokey Privs request by @JanDvorak in SOCVR. Opinions?
 
I'll write a PR, hold on
In Jan we trust
 
@rene I could write a PR myself, but the RO's need to sign off on any new privs in socvr according to undo
 
Thanks :-D
I thought I was privileged already, or had been at least.
I hadn't been participating too much in the previous three months. New employment.
 
@JanDvorak waiting a pull and re-deploy: github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/pull/199
@Magisch yes, that is what we agreed on
 
9:12 AM
Are there different privileges for different rooms?
 
@rene It took manishearth exactly 27s to pull this
:D
@JanDvorak Yes.
If you want privs in charcoal too, that can be arranged as well (since you're a long term member and trusted here already)
 
That explains stuff. I've had privs for the tavern.
My presence in charcoal has been less than stellar as of yet.
 
@JanDvorak Do you have a MS account yet?
 
Microsoft? Yes, why? If you mean metasmoke then I think not.
 
Hey
 
9:17 AM
@JanDvorak You can make one here and undo can unlock it for review (feedback) then you can use art's userscript for automated feedback when you flag
 
Hello
 
hey
 
I'm in
 
Hey in, I'm out
 
lol
 
9:23 AM
Which userscript should I install?
 
First, undo needs to activate your account when you made one
 
No problem. ETA?
 
huh that space ^
 
Is JP's answer link-only?
 
@JanDvorak as such, it is (borderline), but in the context of that question, I didn't flag or downvote
 
9:33 AM
@Tunaki fixed
 
@NisseEngström the answer was deleted ... that question has no answer
 
@Queen k sweetie
 
@rene And what was the solution? Would it be better to ask the OP to post a real answer?
 
To reboot or not to reboot - 'tis the question.
 
9:40 AM
@NisseEngström here i.stack.imgur.com/ApSWf.png
 
ooh you clicked the green notification
 
The OP was requested to post a real answer
@Tunaki yeah, I had to check this bug:meta.stackexchange.com/questions/283748/…
 
i think i want to track spam for one or two hours
!!/notify 41570 stackoverflow.com
 
@dorukayhan You'll now get pings from me if I report a post on stackoverflow.com, in room 41570 on chat.stackoverflow.com
 
uh oh
 
9:50 AM
@JanDvorak why?
 
I mean, on behalf of Doru. It's a lot of pings.
 
@Tushar I would say so, yes
 
too chatty at the very least
 
Flagging
 
@Tushar A bit rude, but obivously too chatty. Flagged. How that got 2 upvotes is beyond me.
Not constructive/too chatty as well.
That whole question is turning into a chat.
 
Most of them are removed
 
10:24 AM
Ugh, now he starts raging by editing his question...
I wonder how long it takes before he edits my rollback again.
 
rushes for popcorn
 
Move on
 
that ^ please
 
Well, I will, just after saying my piece.
Had to be said.
 
^ there are multiple rude comments there, flag-pls
 
10:36 AM
^ Del-vote pls. One remaining
 
@Tunaki I flagged like 4 comments in there
 
well it poofed
 
yeah poofed
 
@Tunaki You just had to slap it with a fish
 
btw, does heatdetector check if a comment that matches the regex sex also matches expertsexchange?
 
10:40 AM
HeatDetector uses a mix of regex and machine learning, so a lot more complicated :)
 
tunaki plop comment hit all time high of 12
 
TIL a new swearword
Why bother with the comments? Smack the question.
 
@Rizier123 needs one more downvote to be eligible for delete voting
 
^ Same
 
@tripleee please don't organize down voting here
 
10:49 AM
ack, sorry
the air is thick with these today it seems
 
:)
 
Hey Tuna
 
Yep?
 
You should get a non-gravatar avatar
 
@Magisch but some gravatars look great
 
10:58 AM
Yeah... I kinda like this one now. However, if you're up to some design, Burnaki needs a good one :).
 
@Magisch I'm identifying them pretty good here. That unique color and mosaic :)
 

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