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9:00 AM
Would this be considered as spam? Or is this something that should be mod flagged, because he's not disclosing his affiliation? Or is this simply VLQ, and should be deleted through the queue?
 
@FrankerZ This user only recommends some libs on GitHub. It seems like a sorta legit misguided one, so moderator flag
 
His libs
 
All posts nuked
Might have suffered lobotomy
 
Kyll is right. Comes under excessive self promotion
 
I'm just curious what the recommended direction is for handling that?
Mod flag?
 
9:04 AM
@FrankerZ Well, it's a bit difficult
There's two scenarios: The user is a spammer and we want them out fast, or it's just crazy misguidance and cluelessness which we don't necessarily want them out so quickly
 
I'd lean toward the second
In almost any case where it's a legitimate link to an answer to the question
 
In that case, go for a mod flag
But if the user is just recommending a product of sorts... Something more obviously spam, go for the red flags and Smokey
If there is any doubt though, mod flag. False negatives are okay if they're handled by mods down the line, false positives from this room are unacceptable (thankfully they don't happen often, if ever).
 
We usually do check other answers of a person in case an answer that is promoting a product is flagged as NAA / VLQ, but its safer to raise a custom mod flag that goes like - most of the OPs answers promote his product...
 
I often write something along the following:
 
....
 
9:08 AM
> This user has posted answers (link 1, link 2, ...) which all seem to promote a product / family of product. I am not entirely sure if this is spam and am raising this flag instead.
 
But if it's deleted through the VLQ queue, then it could slip through the cracks, right?
 
Slip in some Scooby Snacks for faster handling
 
If it's only one answer though Kyll
 
@FrankerZ My stance in that case may not exactly follow our rules: Comment, flag it down as NAA / VLQ or delete-vote it, stalk check user to see if there's any repeated pattern
Plop Andras!
 
plop
 
@Cerbrus @Yvette I'm sorry to say that I was sleeping. But I guess you're right, no need to be pinged all the time. Or whatever.
!!/unnotify 41570 stackoverflow.com
 
@AndrasDeak I will no longer ping you if I report a post on stackoverflow.com, in room 41570 on chat.stackoverflow.com
 
delightful
 
@FrankerZ - The idea is not to block people who don't know that they are making a mistake. We want to block only those accounts that knowlingly post spam.
 
@AndrasDeak Did you see the chrome plugin link?
 
9:13 AM
and what do I do with that?
 
I think we can all agree: That flagging for smokey/marking as spam is the wrong decision
 
@AndrasDeak Follow the stars...
 
At this point it was, is this a post for the VLQ queue, or a post for the Mods to handle?
 
@AndrasDeak You can get SD notifications with it
 
@FrankerZ Yep, but again, we're a sort of special case. As a room we have the power to basically nuke down anything anywhere on SO, be it by closing or deleting or flag-nuking. We have good rules and judgement and criticism so we're pretty good at what we do. It also means we have to be way more cautious than usual when acting as a group, only using red flag on what is obviously spam
And what TLM said
 
9:14 AM
@Cerbrus it must be really effective if it works with firefox
 
@AndrasDeak It only works in browsers. ;-)
 
so why is it called a chrome plugin?:P
 
@Kyll Yep. We have to be very careful not to be seen as a "nuking mob". Don't think meta/SO would appreciate.
 
> You will need Google Chrome to install most apps, extensions and themes.
okay?
 
Shots fired and returned :P
 
9:15 AM
@FrankerZ VLQ queue, moderators should be called when there's a repeated pattern of abuse
 
oh OK, you were doing that fun thing
cool
 
Yea, I wasn't being serious :P
 
awesome
 
That was the fun of the day, everyone. Now go into the H&I...
 
@Kyll H&I? o:
 
9:18 AM
You'll know when you're older higher rep
 
@Kyll High & Intoxicated?
If you say so...
 
@Kyll When I'm higher rep? :s
 
Hurt & Inflammation of the Bowel
 
@Cerbrus I knew all that white powder wasn't snow
 
clicking on the Array topic in docs crashes my browser
#justSODOCthings
 
9:27 AM
@Magisch Offtopic, imo
And massively unfit for meta
 
Is there even a question in there
@Cerbrus I read it twice and my coffee-deprived brain could not make out one
 
Hey sam
how is yam?
 
user3956566
I feel like I just walked into a Dr Seuss book
 
9:49 AM
@Seth help & improvement
 
@dorukayhan Ah, thanks! :]
 
questions that are marked as "requires editing" in triage go into that queue
 
I see c:
@PetterFriberg sd? o.o
 
@SmokeDetector the other answer by the same OP is poor, but actually attempts to answer the question (I think)
 
yeaah
plagiarized abusive
 
9:57 AM
@PetterFriberg abusive how? The Turkish text simply seems to mean "try this"
 
@tripleee I agree. It's plagged tho.
 
@tripleee its exact copy of the answer above
 
If some of you guys have some free seconds mind helping me with a quick typo hunt here please?
 
no doubt that user is just having fun... posting crap..
 
@tripleee Not really abusive, but definitely plagiarism.
 
9:59 AM
meeh I flag abusive since unregistred member today and also posted another abusive answer...
 
@kayess "will constantly get reshaped" should (imho) be "will be reshaped constantly"
 
@kayess you consequently misspell "terminology"
also the subheading is not a question -- scratch the question mark, or change the word order
 
Oh thanks a lot! Fixed :)
 
@kayess let me know when you're done, I spotted a couple minor other things but it might be the easiest if I simply edit
 
@tripleee You can go ahead!
 
10:03 AM
I'm thinking mainly punctuation tweaks
@kayess thanks
 
@Yvette I saw you reported n, but that one was a copy and past of another answer on same post, from non registered users today that also post another cat on keyboard answer on same question.
 
user3956566
@PetterFriberg yeh I regarded the user as a troll, I flagged the other as abusive and that one as a naa, it was not abusive, unless you count the entire behaviour pattern. As a stand alone post, I wouldn't say it warranted an abusive flag.
 
@Yvette interesting, you do not consider abuse copy and past another answer (unreg user today)?
 
@kayess please check especially the stuff I changed after "Now this version is cleared out of technological jargon"
 
@tripleee thanks a lot! Perfect! Shows me the areas where I need to learn more about English:)
 
10:08 AM
@PetterFriberg in this particular case the question also contained code which was quite similar; I don't seriously challenge the assertion that the offender had copied it from the other answer but it's possible that they came up with that independently
 
user3956566
@PetterFriberg it's really not worth putting energy into, is it?
 
@Yvette : ), well just curious, since we do not agree? np
 
@kayess I might have gone slightly over the top with the commas, but to me, they give some breathing room. The proper fix would perhaps be to try to write shorter sentences, but hey, technical forum
 
@tripleee Yeah it's really hard to write about this in short sentences
 
@kayess I would have imagined Hungarian would have more commas than English (if it's related to Finnish and influenced by German)?
 
10:13 AM
@Oldskool Only takes one person to flag.
 
@FrankerZ Yeah, but doesn't more flags mean it gets bumped in the queue? Don't think we want copycats around.
Or the same user with multiple accounts.
 
@tripleee Just for the record it was exactly the same metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/post/37654 vs stackoverflow.com/a/39035603/5292302
 
@PetterFriberg bunu dene means try this in turkish
 
sure I'm not even considering that... I'm considering whether it abuse or not to copy and past the answer of another user, specially being an unreg user already trolling on post, but time to move on...
 
@dorukayhan - Well, if you are on an English website, you type stuff in English. You don't write something that we can't understand and expect us to keep it there :)
 
10:24 AM
@TheLostMind hahahaha
 
10:39 AM
:32379583 why
 
@tripleee Body - Position 133-144: fitness.com, Position 249-260: fitness.com
 
what now? the question looks salvageable, but it already has two downvotes and two close votes
 
user3956566
@PetterFriberg the thing with scrutinizing feedback, is I've given over 3000 feedbacks to sd in the past 4 months and it gets tiring scrutinising trivial issues. So when you put in into perspective like that, you'll realise if every one who disagrees with me ever wishes to discuss it with me, it's quite exhausting and really not that important. Can you see it from that perspective?
 
@Yvette sure, np, I'm already on other stuff, I was mostly interested since you like to discuss spam issue, I will refer from asking sorry.
 
10:47 AM
Aloha
 
hiya
 
@petter In this post of Shog which mentions plans implementing an auto-IP block in response to spam flags, has been done. I asked him in a comment, so now there are auto-IP block in response to spam flags. That is at least what I understood
 
@AshishAhujaăƒ„ Interesting it was in "Things we can't do," but with an interesting update "Update: a design for this is being actively worked on right now - gonna take some work to implement, but stands the best chance of success out of any of these."
 
@AshishAhujaăƒ„ Thats been a thing for a long time now
SpamRam is mostly that: Blocking IPs that have been caught spamming
 
Yeah but the discussion is if spam flag from us have an impact?
 
11:00 AM
They do
Users who get posts spam deleted get immediately IP banned unless they're not new and have some positive posts
 
@PetterFriberg yeah, but because it was updated last at 2013, I asked him in a comment on that post whether it had implemented till now and he replied yes
 
@PetterFriberg - Hmm yes they do.
 
@Magisch yup, but I just couldn't find some reference supporting that, so was a bit unsure
 
well you question was not really good you should have asked specifically about spam flags..
 
my question?
 
11:02 AM
@Magisch it hardly can be that brutal?
 
@PetterFriberg Oh it is
the ban isn't permanent AFAIK, but its a "one strike and you're out" kind of system
 
@AshishAhujaăƒ„ - If your spam flags account to deletion of the post (by community), then IP will be instantly blocked. Note that deletion of the post using DVs will not have the same effect
 
@AshishAhujaăƒ„ Yeah you asked "so has the IP block been implemented now?"
 
@TheLostMind is it the same with rude/abusive flags?
 
Yes
 
11:03 AM
@Magisch hmm so if I go to the university, sends a spam post, the whole university is blocked...
I think it's more advanced then that...
 
It takes into account of other's have accounts on the IP
if you're from an Ip that has 500 accounts on it and 499 are normal and useful users it won't get blocked
 
well that's account blocking... not really complete IP blocking
 
@PetterFriberg but as Shog was talking about the auto-IP block, I think he must have understood it
 
Thats what I mean by established
 
Magisch is right. valid accounts are still allowed to acess the site even if they are from the same IP
 
11:05 AM
If you start spamming from nowhere in india, and you get one post deleted, nowhere in india can't access SE for a while
 
so it's not a pure ip block...
 
It is a pure IP block, provably non-spammer accounts are just exempt from it
 
@PetterFriberg - From what i've seen, no it isn't pure IP block.
 
well I think it needs to be related to the account and maximum related to creating a new account from same ip.
 
no india ban
 
11:07 AM
since they do not block other accounts and they will not block no account users...
 
Lots of users from India are subject to captchas and other verificators though
 
no captcha for me
 
Many CDN (Content delivery network) providers treat all IPs not from the EU or US as suspect by default, thats why SO switched away from cloudflare
 
maah, we can only be guessing, but ip blocking is not easy with spam, it so easy to avoid and normal it only have nasty side effects..
 
cloudflare is a bit overzealous with anything not from mainland europe or the US
 
11:10 AM
@tripleee added a new block, although I'm not sure my intention is clear
 
@kayess - You know you could become a writer some day :)
 
haha @TheLostMind
 
@AshishAhujaăƒ„ I'm not so sure he understood that you refereed to "auto-block" based on spam flags.., but surely you are right they are looking at it.
 
@TheLostMind Does that mean I'm adding too long A's ?:)
 
11:14 AM
@kayess I struggled a bit towards the end, too much buzzword bingo? I guessed in a couple of places again so please review
 
@ColdFire Any news about the impersonator?
 
careful with the gerunds there, I get the feeling you are avoiding verbs when you shouldn't
 
@Seth mods reverted his profile
 
@ColdFire Nice :]
 
@Seth yeah
 
11:17 AM
like "doing things bringing value" -> "do things which bring value"
 
sd f?
 
@dorukayhan no no no no. It was self vandalism, but as the answer when reverting the edit, is naa, it should be naa
 
@AshishAhujaăƒ„ so it should be sd n, right?
 
Reviewers please note the other answer by this OP which is fine. Probably simply vote to delete. — tripleee 1 min ago
 
11:22 AM
afk for few hours
 
@dorukayhan @AshishAhujaăƒ„ ^
 
11:32 AM
Morning
 
Hey NO o/
 
@tripleee Perfect, thank you!
lol he's not a RO but a NO \o
 
:)
I have to tell people all the time when I initial something that I am not saying no. Those are just my initials.
 
lol
 
"Hey, who are you?" - "NO." - "Sorry for asking >_>"
 
11:42 AM
:)
 
"N.O" Nihilistic Olive
 
@Magisch We have just found the connection between @NathanOliver and @rene: they are both herbs
 
lol
 
sigh 15K user can't even use google to look up his error message so he asks a question instead. Very first google result with the error message is a SO post with exactly what he needs :(
 
@NathanOliver If he got to 15k just answering these kinds of questions and got upvotes every time why would he think its not an acceptable thing to ask
 
11:53 AM
I would hope he would have remembered the first tenant of SO and researched his Q first.
 
lol
 
@NathanOliver Well, these people get some rep from the black market
 
@DEAD Docs?
 
I was thinking answering minus five or so questions, but that'd work too.
Sadly, these are usually the only people that boast about the trust the community has in them.
 
@NathanOliver I got 3,500 rep from docs
gg no re
 
12:00 PM
@Magisch Just wait until the recalc :D
 
@Magisch Thats a good chunk of change
 
I'd rename Docs to Ducks and hand out quacks instead of reputation.
10
 
I like Louis.
 
seems pretty hostile to me
 
12:16 PM
Yep. Why is the score 0 though :(
 
@Seth it has no regex it and score enough on the nlp...
 
@PetterFriberg Ah! I see :)
 
but it caught another comment on post... so that's why I found it : )
 
bye guys
 
12:17 PM
@ColdFire Bye c:
 
Later
@FirstStep One person used one dupe target when voting to close and another user use a different one. In theory there can be up to 5 dupe targets on a dupe closed Q.
 
@NathanOliver I see. Why do we have duplicate "mark as duplicate" when voting?
one in the first page, and one under "should be closed"
 
Good question.
 
Because clumsy UI.
 
Duplicate Duplicate
o.o ...
@FirstStep Your avatar is a great choice, considering the questions you're asking! :D
 
12:22 PM
@Seth It is :) my favorite since almost 8 years
I just want to learn everything and anything. With a little bit ocd and perfectionalism.. add some nerding.. love coffee.. then.. it results in a noisy mind that keeps me wondering about almost everything lol
so yeah, duplicate duplicate.. ironic! what sorcery is this :P
 
Should we meta that? o.o
I don't know how long that's been a thing tbh. Never noticed it.
@FirstStep Loving coffee is almost obligatory :]
 
@FirstStep The flagging screen tries to making flagging for dupes easy so it makes it the first option. Then the should be closed option actually takes you to the close vote screen (in your case the close flag screen) where again dupe closing is first to make it easy. In this way dupe closing is duplicated.
 
@NathanOliver ehmm ..
 
yeah that got a little jumbled. I think it makes sense now.
 
@Seth I'm a programmer who hates coffee. AMA
 
12:30 PM
If not let me know.
 
@NathanOliver marked as dup questions get closed later?
 
@NathanOliver Um, sure, uh
 
@FirstStep I'm not sure what you are asking
 
@NathanOliver so when a question gets marked as a duplicate, but not deleted. Does it stay on SO forever?
or usually after maybe 24 hours or a week or some period, gets removed automatically? (never happened with me to see what happens with the Q)
 
Dupes are not auto deleted(at least not in a short amount of time). They have to be manually deleted.
 
12:34 PM
@FirstStep No, if it gets roomba'd.
 
@NathanOliver Well, if they fit the criteria to be roomba'd . . .
But yes, merely duplication isn't enough reason for deletion
 
@DEAD Yeah. It just takes a month at least for the roomba to catch it.
A answered dupe will never be deleted. Except manually.
 
I will meta that
Can I mention this rooms name? Like "In SO C V Reviews" we were wondering..
@NathanOliver
 
@FirstStep Meta what? There is a bunch of stuff about dupes already on meta.
 
12:37 PM
I did not find any
 
Whats the question? When are dupes deleted?
 
No
Why do we have dup dup and can / should we remove one
 
Ah. That might not have been asked. I don't think that will change as dupe closing is encouraged so the easier it is the more likely it is to be closed.
You can mention the room on meta but only when it is pertinent to the conversation. In this case it really isn't as you can just say "I noticed that the closing as a dupe is duplicated". As much as we want people to know about the room we do not just want to drop our name everywhere as we do not want to become spammers.
 
There is alot of meta on deleting dupes...
 
12:43 PM
@FirstStep hmm, why do you say they do not get closed?
I guess there is meta on why the added dup also outside in the flagging dialog...
 
@PetterFriberg because we just said they don't
@ Dead "But yes, merely duplication isn't enough reason for deletion"
 
well closing and deletion are 2 different things
 
Fine, if someone marked the Q as duplicate, we will use that argument on which "mark as dup" did you use :P
 
Since you are under 3 k you can only flag...
 
And why do we still have two :P :P
ehmm ..
 
12:45 PM
You can flag as duplicate, why the interface is like that you surely can find a meta
 
I just want the attention :P
 
I would guess since the problem of dupes is a big issue... so they also moved it outside...
hence trying to help user.
 
I am a perfectionist and I don't like it :( I will start seeing monsters at night if it stays :(
 
You earn a secret badge if you manage to ask a question on meta about dupes that gets closed as a dupe :)
 
Then if the duplicate should be delete or not is up to >10K users...
 
12:47 PM
ehm.. Sounds like fun !@JonClements
 
Note when you flag as duplicate your are not indicating that you like it deleted only that you think it should be closed.
 
@JonClements That should be a hat
 
12:51 PM
@PetterFriberg Interesting. Reading
 
@JonClements That's the fabled platinum badge?
 
@FirstStep I would not generalize to "We, In SO CV Reviews Room, were wondering ", just use I'm woundering
 
@PetterFriberg I'm wondering too so it's ok to use "We" :p
 
@FirstStep any you mixing up closing and deletion
 
"we" are wondering, are not we?
 
12:53 PM
@Tushar Just watched that question go from 3 upvotes to -10
 
And answer too. -7(now deleted)
 
@FirstStep You flag for closing (<3k), >3K review to close, >10K choose if to delete
 
Yeah. I was the first downvote and then it went out of control...
Then there's an answer with just code which is never helpful
 
@FirstStep hmm, I can't actually see what you are wondering about? Why they do not get closed? (they do), why the interface is like that? (they chosen it to make it more easier to flag as dup), or something else?
 
I removed the we because I remembered one day I read that SO moderators try to hunt this room ( or something like that)
@PetterFriberg I just got no life for today and I am bored.
 
12:56 PM
Waffles would ya like
 
Now let me readd :P
 
There is no one hunting this room.. , I was merly trying to state that you generalize to much, hence I'm not wondering so : )
 
@Machavity @NathanOliver it's a platinum hat in the shape of a badge! :p
@FirstStep Do we? Oh right... I'll go get my shotgun... then I'll countdown from ten and the games can commence! :p
 
@JonClements You mean borrow rene's shotgun
 
@kayess mine works perfectly well :)
 
1:00 PM
@kayess rene's shotgun only shoots fertilizer
 
I just read this on TWP
 
lol
 
And I got very giddy because this company is so screwed that its funny
 
hey
 
@ColdFire \o
 
1:10 PM
yo o/ @FirstStep
 
morning!
 
@gunr2171 Hallo
 
woot friday
 
Aloha
 
wotttttt
 
1:20 PM
Right ! Friday ! wuhuhuh "Just another day" but YEAH
 
it's a half day of work here
so I leave in 3 hours
 
Its -1 hour of work here
So I get to leave in 8 minutes
 
nice
 
I need to stay +1 because I left early the other day. Then walk the dog, and start drinking. Your plans?
 
hahah
 
1:24 PM
morning
 
yo!
 
I've been busy lately with a big project, so I won't be as active for a while.
 
user177800
1:41 PM
@Yvette I always feel generous, I just don't have the time right now!
 
@ryanyuyu morning
 

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