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12:00 AM
too late
50 votes now
 
53 mins ago, by Drew
@AndrasDeak call out your count btw
^^ need to keep me informed
 
' I've been trying to fix this for about a week and a half and I don't know where to turn' - on an embedded job, OP has all source, compiler, linker, environment, debugger, logger, hardware. Oh no - post on SO with a few lines of source:(
 
where people have nothing
 
Rob
@AndrasDeak Two people actually approved that.. how?
I don't understand why people bother going into the review queue if they just accept everything anyway.. what's the point?
 
unclear or Typo (html) it is aging and jailbreaking stackoverflow.com/questions/35286406
then in 2 days i vote to del
 
12:16 AM
@Rob shiny badges:/
downside of gamification
direct cause of robo-reviewers
 
Rob
Rejecting it also gives you a point towards the badge though
:(
 
Note that both approvers have 600+ approves and 50- rejects
that's always a bad sign
rejecting would mean that you read it
pushing "approve" constantly will get you through the system fast
 
last mysql one that could jailbreak. Unclear stackoverflow.com/q/35438527
 
you just have to recognize audits
 
Rob
Yeah, guess so
 
12:19 AM
@AndrasDeak delete the question itself?
 
@Braiam well, sure, different question
I'm worried about the user, had him modflagged too, but just wanted to make sure that I'm not imagining things
@Braiam BTW I can't vote to delete
(initially I thought the question was open)
 
Morning
 
evening:)
 
Rob
12:37 AM
Which question?
 
Rob
Ah, right
 
 
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Rob
1:42 AM
@KevinGuan What's wrong with using the tag if you need to tag it? RE meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/318154/…
 
Isn't an a numpy.array? If so, you either have a list, or an array.
 
2:07 AM
Hey Rob, could you give me some explanation on what was wrong about that edit I approved, please?
 
@Rob (in case you didn't notice)
 
\o
 
\o
@gunr2171 @NathanOliver is there a room policy on roomba? Other than the "just close it" aspect of it?
 
nathan is typing...
 
Rob
Hi @DawidFerenczy - Yep, in regards to this edit - was mentioned in this chat a few hours ago. The edit appears to be made by another user having a similar issue and essentially posting their question by editing another
It doesn't tidy up the post - it simply adds information relevant only to the editor
 
2:16 AM
@Drew Yes do not down votes on a post so that it will qualify a post for deletion. we only vote on quality. If the quality is good then we have to use delete votes.
 
As far as this room goes about all we can talk about is "hey here is my suggestion for close reason". Roomba doesn't even factor into it here. What we decide to do outside of close is our own choice. No? @NathanOliver
So the FAQ stating Feed the Roomba is vague to put it mildly.
 
@Rob OK, thank you. I'll try to check it better next time.
 
Rob
Great! :)
 
@Drew Yes it is your own choice but you should not use down votes to feed the roomba. gunr is getting a link
 
@Drew have you read through this? This is what happened last time our room "fed" the roomba by aggressive downvoting
 
2:20 AM
We may need to revisit the FAQ. I do not think we changed it after the new guidelines from shog
 
Part of our task as community moderation is knowing what rules trigger what (Roomba). And to be ready in short order to answer to why or what in the world we were thinking as individuals. And stuff deleted can be undeleted. Even if the action is unilateral and not related to Del Requests.
 
down votes != delete votes
 
@Drew my big thing is that you don't abuse downvotes.
if you want to delete vote things, go for it
just don't downvote things that don't deserve a downvote just to promote deletion
 
Heck a mod in meta even said here is the query to run to search for stuff to potentially get roomba'd. All of that is part of community moderation / janitorial work.
So in some cases, downvotes = delVotes
We just don't ever ask for downvotes
 
in isolated cased. We as a chat room will not be operating like that
 
2:24 AM
Right. So basically SOCVR is completely unrelated to that.
And darn well should be.
 
so what are you trying to get at?
 
The FAQ is vague
afk
 
2:52 AM
I was invited to this room by a member commenting on a SO post I was commenting on. Is this the normal recruitment process? It seems more like spamming an unrelated conversation to me.
 
There doesn't really seem to be any other way.
 
Rob
@kojow7 Invited in regards to what?
Sometimes people are invited here to discuss actions taken on review items
There's no way to invite someone to the chatroom without pinging the user on one of their posts/actions, unfortunately.
 
user4639281
nvm
 
Rob
Smokey picked it up but it's still alive and well
 
The message said "we could use your dupe hunt skills in SOCVR just ping me or _____ .... and thanks" (where ______ was the name of another member from this room).
 
user4639281
2:58 AM
Was it Drew?
 
this finally found one again. Marked dupe by Community. Someone explain
 
It's okay to mention the names: Drew asked you to ping him or Tunaki, right?
 
That is correct zondo.
 
Well, yeah; that's pretty normal. You make the second person Drew has recruited today.
 
user4639281
That isn't a normal practice in this room, just something that Drew started doing recently. AFAIK it is just an invite, you can ignore it or say you're not interested if you're not interested.
 
3:01 AM
I just wasn't sure if that message was being spammed to many different places or if there was a reason he had chosen me specifically. I could not see what "dupe hunt skills" he was talking about as it was unrelated to the help I was offering so thought it was just a generic message being sent to many people.
 
user4639281
He targets gold tag badge holders that show they are interested in dupe-hammering questions.
 
ah sorry I was off on other pages
 
user4639281
If we can provide organization for those who want to make an impact, we can collectively make a larger impact.
 
There's Drew. :) The thing is I don't think I've ever marked a question as a duplicate.
 
@kojow7 yes, thanks for your fine dupe references on some questions. We like to work as a team to get stuff spotted, and dupe hammered.
It was on the question. Should I find the comment ?
 
3:04 AM
Sure
 
So the motivation is to get stuff closed. To work effectively and concentrated on close activity. To promote if you will people nearing 3k rep.
This will explain why that's happening and how to fix: stackoverflow.com/questions/23036062/…kojow7 yesterday
How to interleaved in getting that to @Tunaki to dupe hammer in the transcript here ... well he may have been out of close votes at that time.
Or he may have said "nah"
 
However, the comment was a bit unrelated to the original question, so technically the comment was a dupe, not the posted question itself.
 
flagged.
 
user4639281
@Tushar manually reported answers are automatically true positives.
 
Ah, right. Didn't saw your !!/report
 
user4639281
3:10 AM
:)
 
@kojow7 I am just trying to feed potentials to Tuna during a roughly 3 hour period of the day, such as
4 hours ago, by Drew
@tunaki dh? http://stackoverflow.com/q/35760019
So how any particular one works out, it depends. I try to feed ones that have 1 or 2 close votes on them to potentially spare us of depletion
When they get to 3 or 4 close votes, I feed batches in another link
So in a nutshell, ignore the question my comment was posted under. We (or at least I) am on the prowl for people that could assist us. And us assist them. And together we clean up a little corner of SO
 
user4639281
 
user4639281
 
Rob
@TinyGiant That would be a great dupe target :D
 
Those revs consume 1TB
 
user4639281
@Rob It would, for almost any RTFM question.
 
Okay, thanks Drew and others.
 
no. Thank you !
ah in the house
I need to get back to that tag. Neglected it all day.
 
3:34 AM
@TinyGiant the fact that answer got 2 upvotes is a serious wtf
 
user4639281
Wow, when I got to it, it was 0 score.
 
user4639281
I get the feeling those two upvotes came from this room.
 
Don't ask me for a screen shot. Cuz I never lie to anyone.
 
user4639281
lol
 
Ian
I am unable to decide for this case. It has been quite sometimes I am seeing this kind of case (about installation/whether some config/tools will be working), is this valid?
 
user4639281
3:45 AM
Not enough domain knowledge for me to say
 
user4639281
Generally, installation / configuration questions are off-topic
 
Ian
OK, I just leave it open as of now... It seems to be off-topic, but I cannot really decide...
 
user4639281
The SO devs like DRY code:
 
user4639281
            var err;
            switch (whatsBeingValidated) {
            case 'question':
                err = "An error occurred submitting the question.";
                break;
            case 'answer':
                err = "An error occurred submitting the answer.";
                break;
            case 'edit':
                err = "An error occurred submitting the edit.";
                break;
            case 'tags':
                err = "An error occurred submitting the tags.";
 
@ian seem ok to me. He was online yesterday. Maybe ask him if he solved it.
 
3:50 AM
@Drew Someone flagged(not a close vote) the post as a duplicate. The OP is then presented with a banner saying such and ask if the dupe answers his question. The OP can then accept the dupe. It is a binding vote and so the community user is used to accomplish that. In the process the auto comment is removed since the question is closed. This makes it look like just the community member closed the question.
 
user4639281
 err = "An error occurred submitting the " + ['post',whatsBeingValidated][+!!whatsBeingValidated];
 
Ian
@Drew sure, that will be a good idea
 
@TinyGiant Where did you get that?
 
@ian at quick glance it seem on topic in that it is related to programmers and their world and where else on network might it go
 
user4639281
3:52 AM
Did you know that you cannot use [Edit removed during grace period] as an edit comment?
 
user4639281
        var $editComment = $form.find(editCommentSelector);
        if ($.trim($editComment.val()) == '[Edit removed during grace period]') {
            showError($editComment, ["Comment reserved for system use. Please use an appropriate comment."], getSidebarPopupOptions());
            return false;
        }
 
@NathanOliver thanks. I remember the discussion weeks ago when I said there was a close resolution that looked like: Drew, Person2, Community
 
@TinyGiant I'll bear that in mind. I often want to use that comment, but I'll have to remember not to.
 
@TinyGiant Shall we?
 
@Drew no problem. it is a newer feature and it was introduced to help get duplicates closed faster
 
3:54 AM
Nathan, you Ninja, you!
 
user4639281
@Mogsdad ?
 
user4639281
Awe srsly? Someone flagged that as not an answer? It is sooo an answer.
 
The WTF Q&A... I expected the cv-pls to follow directly after.
 
@NathanOliver @AlexanderO'Mara it was this discussion
 
user4639281
Not sure of a good close reason for it...
 
3:56 AM
@Mogsdad Hun?
 
@NathanOliver Yes, dear?
 
user4639281
lulz
 
so @NathanOliver a guy that doesn't have 3k suggests a dupe. Then the Op accepts ?
 
@TinyGiant Not IMO. He should've explained the part/link to the doc. which solved the prob.
 
@Drew Yep
 
3:57 AM
thx
 
user4639281
@Tushar It is an answer though, just an incomplete one.
 
np
@Mogsdad Why am I a ninja?
 
Ian
@TinyGiant I think the WT* part needs to be removed: swearing is not allowed
 
@TinyGiant Answer which looks like comment. :)
 
@NathanOliver You managed to sneak in between messages I posted simultaneously from two computers.
 
user4639281
3:58 AM
And besides, who really wants to delete an answer where the OP tells himself to read the friendly manual.
 
@TinyGiant How is that an answer?
 
user4639281
@Tushar It could be a comment, but it also is an attempt to answer.
 
In my opinion, it should be a comment.
 
@Mogsdad Ah
 
user4639281
@NathanOliver The attempted answer is to: "read the documentation very carefully."
 
3:58 AM
It does not attempt to answer; it just says how to find the answer.
 
user4639281
@Ian whiskey tango foxtrot, wut?
 
Ian
@TinyGiant lol
 
To me read the documentation is not an answer. That is why I always post that as a comment
 
user4639281
But that solved the OP's problem.
 
And still if you want to answer, add it as Community Wiki.
I'm doing that for the questions which can be solved by **just referencing the Docs** :)
 
4:00 AM
Must. Sleep. CYA!
 
Ian
Now we can swear so long as we use abbreviation...
 
yes
 
@TinyGiant But we don't really care about the OP. The answers are for everyone and that answer help no one but the OP.
 
it helped me to laugh
 
user4639281
Sure it does, if you're facing the same problem, you should read the documentation... veerrryyy carefully.
 
4:02 AM
Maybe we should conduct a poll.
 
@NathanOliver you have to admit, it might actually be the best answer we ever read here
 
not buying it. It is in the same line as an op saying "I managed to fix it" in an answer
 
user4639281
But that isn't nearly as funny.
 
Is the site supposed to be funny or helpful?
 
user4639281
Nor as educational
 
user4639281
4:03 AM
Reading the documentation carefully is not helpful?
 
It is a recommendation, but not an answer.
 
^ agree
 
There are many things that are helpful, but are not answers.
 
user4639281
darn it, it was cottrelled
 
Even Ed agrees. It helps no one else so it should not be an answer.
 
Ian
4:04 AM
 
user4639281
I disagree with ed's agreement with your disagreement with my agreement. I object!
 
Ian
Quote: "Are there any things I need to take into consideration already for future sharding? I rather implement this already now then rewrite large parts of my codebase to support it later." the seems to be no issue programming issue all...
 
Overruled.
 
user4639281
> future sharding
 
darn it Ian is being serious
 
4:05 AM
@Tiny: You must admit: it's two to one.
 
user4639281
I admit nothing!
 
Ian
@Drew lol
 
Well I am off to bed. Later
 
You'll desert me?
I thought we were in this together.
 
Ian
And now there is even upvote for the question... must be from this chat
 
4:07 AM
I'll still be here in spirit if that helps
 
That is Ian's second Aug 2015 link in 10 minutes. Must be a time machine.
 
user4639281
Thou cannot overrule me for I am Magic™, only I can overrule myself!
 
Ian
I am trying to understand what Archeologist badge is for by practically doing it... ;)
Now I know that it is meant for closing, lol
 
@TinyGiant What are you? Jon Skeet?
 
@Ian your edit threw it to the top of the heap. Those guys aren't in this room
 
Ian
4:09 AM
And there are 2 additional comments now! "It is highly effective!"
 
user4639281
Nah, I'm just Magic™
 
Not Magisch?
 
user4639281
Jon Skeet invented Magic™
 
So are you just a robot?
 
Ian
Jon Skeet is Magic™
 
user4639281
4:09 AM
gasp How'd you know?
 
@TinyGiant You can't be. Your avatar is mostly black and yellow. Octarine is sort of greenish-yellow purple
 
@Ian Jon Skeet is just Jon Skeet. You mean Magic™ is Jon Skeet.
 
user4639281
Magic™ determines what color your eyes perceive when viewed.
 
@Ian that Q is Too Broad
 
user4639281
@Drew No you're two broads
 
4:11 AM
And now I really must go. Bye
 
Bye.
 
Ian
@zondo ah, true, how dare I to lower Jon Skeet to something other than Jon Skeet!
 
Frightening. I'd watch out for my life if I were you.
 
> You vote it down , at least give me an answer . - ryan willson
 
Apparently he doesn't understand that down-votes mean that it doesn't deserve an answer.
 
4:16 AM
I seriously would like the following explained. Why is it if a question is closed, allegedly because it is not Answer-worthy, and to freeze any more answers, is it not deleted (say, in 10 days).
 
user4639281
It is, if it doesn't have more than one answer, and that one answer is not positively scored or accepted.
 
Forget the votes entirely.
The community has decided it should be closed.
 
sd remove- edited/rollbacked
 
The answer is that the whole site is so wishy washy it doesn't know what it is doing.
 
4:30 AM
@Shadow are you aroundd ?
 
4:50 AM
how do I stop getting pinged from this room?
 
user4639281
Whoa hey, we've got an event going on.
 
user4639281
@eski Do you chat in this room often?
 
No
 
user4639281
Hmm, I really don't know, that's an SO/E thing. I'm not sure the conditions that it works under.
 
4:51 AM
@FélixGagnon-Grenier can you help me close vote about 5 php things that are dangling at cv4 forever
 
yep shoot
fully attentive
@Drew should I be finding them in the requests, or higher in the chat?
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier so as not to clutter the wall here, it is up here
when done, as it is a text file anyway, I will put it in the archive_files folder that I put everything for transparency in the beehive
 
omg. litterally written "please fix my code". people have no shame
 
user4639281
Who's in for the event?
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier yes that was funny
 
5:01 AM
@Drew done
 
you're the best. thx
 
:)
@TinyGiant I have a dreadful fear of that first time where I would tell closey I'm starting
 
user4639281
Closey isn't alive.
 
user4639281
We're faking it.
 
I know qt was a tag
 
user4639281
5:04 AM
@TinyGiant start event
 
user4639281
Alright, what tags do we want to do?
 
user4639281
I suggest [google-apps-script][google-docs][google-spreadsheets] to help mogsdad out.
 
ooops wrong date
 
corner detection
I.... love it
 
user4639281
5:06 AM
corner detection is gone
 
let's google apps script first then
 
user4639281
K
 
2 days ago, by Closey
@TinyGiant The next 10 tags are: 32, 28, 27, 26, 25, 25, 23, 22, 22, 22
ok google apps script
 
user4639281
Someone want to star that so we can keep track of it?
 
user4639281
5:15 AM
passed android audit
 
user4639281
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[google-apps-script] [google-docs] [google-spreadsheets]"
 
I guess I'm missing a script, even though I though I had been thorough in my frenzied installment. You in the review que with tag search? I only can filter by tag in the magic review queue
 
user4639281
@FélixGagnon-Grenier it's in the review bar, filter by tag
 
face-fucking-palm
I hope someday you'll pardon me
 
user4639281
lulz
 
user4639281
5:23 AM
I hereby pardon you of all face-fucking-palm moments past, present, and future.
 
google-spreadsheet (singular)
 
passed a c audit
 
user4639281
@Drew awe darn
 
shouldn't we be trying to do something about the singular and plural thing?
 
user4639281
5:26 AM
So @Drew you remember that hilarious issue with the NATO script I found?
 
I kinda maybe. which ?
 
user4639281
@FélixGagnon-Grenier I can't edit the message, so it doesn't really matter.
 
user4639281
 
you guys start talking JS and I tune out
 
no I mean like flaming meta with some synonimization or something
 
user4639281
5:27 AM
@FélixGagnon-Grenier There is only one tag, the singular one
 
@TinyGiant lol
 
@TinyGiant is it the million tags that show up?
 
user4639281
Yep
 
user4639281
Anyways, I figured out that it was an obscure issue with the inline tag editing script. I found a simple fix, proposed it to shog. Shog basically said that because no one using the site as intended would face the issue, he wouldn't fix it.
 
good thing I have the no-questions version
Without your script the NATO screen is rather crappy
 
user4639281
5:30 AM
Lol
 
user4639281
Yeah, I was not very impressed the first time I saw it.
 
and as you know it is maybe the 1 screen that new 10k-ers flock to
 
user4639281
yes it is, only to be sorely disappointed with the amount of clicking that is expected of us.
 
After about 2 minutes I realized that thick bar separator wasn't needed. Because your new layout has the guy and his rep and all at the Bottom. The native normal way is crazy for the eyes
 
user4639281
Yeah, that was sucky. I also make the title a lot bigger.
 
5:32 AM
It's awesome. I market it on meta. Maybe S deleted those comments :p
See. No one uses it.
 
user4639281
Lol
 
user4639281
The comments were deleted?
 
I was just kidding.
 
user4639281
Ahh
 
It was you and Mogzie right?
 
user4639281
5:34 AM
Me and mogzie worked up the magic editor. The NATO script is all me.
 
Yeah I think I screwed up and said you and gunner
 
user4639281
Mogs did a bunch of firefox bug finding on it though.
 
user4639281
lol
 
No one comes to SOCVR anyway. That would be asking for effort.
 
user4639281
inorite?
 
user4639281
5:35 AM
We try to entice them with fancy userscripts
 
user4639281
Hey, I've got a question for you.
 
which mostly works
 
Go after people that it is even their tag. ..... nah
 
if only a bit :p
 
sorry, my tag, too busy looking at crappy stuff. maybe some other time
 
user4639281
5:36 AM
Anyway you could implement a websocket that updates with new answers to questions older than 30 days?
 
I don't use browsers. But yeah.
 
user4639281
Well you can implement it in C/++/# I believe, not sure what your language of choice is.
 
user4639281
IIRC you were actively monitoring stuff like that, so it shouldn't be too hard for you to implement a websocket.
 
user4639281
That way I can enable live updates for the NATO script.
 
user4639281
@Felix do you have my review enhancements script yet?
 
5:40 AM
hmmm no.
 
user4639281
Review Enhancements removes all limitations of all review queues.
 
user4639281
passed java audit
 
user4639281
LOL, it was closed mostly by this room originally.
 
user4639281
> Thank you for reviewing 40 close votes today; come back in 18 hours to continue reviewing.
 
@TinyGiant your closing session lasted 43 minutes, averaging something more than a minute per post. thanks for actually paying attention when reviewing.
 
user4639281
5:48 AM
lol
 
passed a version control audit. It is the first audit I passed without knowing it was an audit in a long time. The difference is closing was the right choice
 
user4639281
@FélixGagnon-Grenier I love those audits
 
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[google-spreadsheet]"
 
user4639281
5 votes left today, thats normal votes, not close votes.
 
@TinyGiant ok I just started a scan on some tags. Check this out.
gas=google-app-script
afk 1 min
 
user4639281
5:58 AM
Nice, we could probably get a better tag listing from your setup for the events.
 
user4639281
 
So here is the deal. The science of it. Take qt for instance. Once you scan back to about Feb1, there is no movement. I kept going back to dec19 and the numbers are the same
 

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