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12:06 AM
Morning
 
Score! Just rolled up the rim for a free donut!
 
12:26 AM
@Mogsdad Sure that's spam?
 
@Undo Sure. The author is the founder of the company they have promoted. No attribution in the post.
@Undo And there's the next one. Need more proof?
 
... no :P
 
8)
 
@Undo The second one did provide a disclaimer.
 
yeah...
I'm just going to dispute those flags and message him
 
12:30 AM
Yet did little more than recommend the service.
 
@Undo I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
Looks like @hichris123's auto-deleter thing is working. I'm impressed.
 
Undo passed a audit!
 
@Undo It is cuz it is so willy nilly about SPam that we dont even flag anymore
(to me that is blatant spam)
 
The line's a little fuzzy.
 
12:38 AM
What else is it?
 
Ultimately, it depends on whether the moderator you get thinks a -100 rep hit and IP block is justified
It's not an optimal system.
But there's evidence there that he could be coerced into making decent answers... so I'd rather message him and maybe turn him into a good contributor than block his IP.
 
That's a nice thing to do for him - but the posts were spam.
 
oh. You mean an answer cant just be SPAM and get deleted?
 
Day 1 user, promoting their own company. Not providing answers that just happened to include links to their product - just promotion.
But (seriously), thanks for not declining the flags, at least.
 
I had the same sort of thing with another user, but they had proper posts mixed in with their promotions
 
12:41 AM
@Quill That's usually cool.
 
it was like 40 spam to 20 proper. better than 0 proper, I suppose
 
Yeah. I'm sure there was a meta post relating to that (proportion of promotional posts), but just can't find it.
 
> Post good, relevant answers, and if some (but not all) happen to be about your product or website, that’s okay. However, you must disclose your affiliation in your answers.

> If a large percentage of your posts include a mention of your product or website, you're probably here for the wrong reasons.
 
What's this? NAA for sure, but anything else?
 
NAA
 
12:43 AM
@Undo In the HELP? Wow, I'm an idiot.
@Undo Note to self... flag first, or you'll be undone.
 
;)
 
> SQL vs Emacs
wtf
 
That's a gem
 
Rob
Pretty sure it's a troll
Look at those tags, hah
 
Lmao
 
12:49 AM
@Undo "I'm impressed" not sure if that's a compliment or not. ;)
Actually, I'm surprised how easy it was.
I thought there would be a lot more work but it actually didn't take too long to build.
 
@hichris123 it means "if I'd done it something would have blown up"
 
it's OK, just pile dirt on it and pack it down hard;)
 
Hey, at least you probably would have remembered to remove your debugging statements...
 
Rob
What is this auto-deleter?
 
12:52 AM
@Rob If you manage to get a post that Smokey reports deleted in the 2-minute window, Smokey will auto-delete the report message.
 
Rob
Ah, nice
 
@hichris123 oh, that was fast
 
@Quill Can't yet, it's not <0. But why not just ask the author to delete?
afk - must attend to real life for a while.
 
@AndrasDeak Only 1 line of code had to change. :/ github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/commit/… I told rene it was going to be hard... and then I realized we didn't need to have what I thought we needed.
 
just like Scotty;)
"at least 6 hours captain...I'll do it in 2"
 
1:00 AM
:P
 
good job anyway, and good night:)
 
Night. :)
 
1:20 AM
How many times does a user need to repeat this type of NAA before it's stalking?
@Undo... you still there? See ^^^
 
1:38 AM
Lol
 
Mister. You are going to get banned doing this. We don't want that. — Drew 1 min ago
Of course I do it all the time. No one seems to be banning me.
@Mogsdad I've had like 60% success rate in asking people to delete their post.
 
@Drew But hey, it worked that time!
@Drew You're doing it in comments, not answers, right? And not making others clean up your mess.
 
I have a doozey with EJP. I need to hunt for it
@Mogsdad I was doing a decent amount of recruiting and cleaning up my own mess
I enjoyed it
 
Obviously not a teenager! ba-dum-bump
Hmm. Tactical error. Had two dupe questions. Both had NAA responses. Started the vote-to-close cycle & flagged the answers. Answers now cleaned up. Which means we can't dupe the questions. facepalm
 
I don't fall for those mind traps
 
1:55 AM
@Drew ROFL
Posted a bounty on the target of my dupe dilemma. Put my (imaginary unicorn) money where my mouth is. stackoverflow.com/q/28491280/1677912
 
Feb 14 at 23:17, by Drew
Yeah. We are getting together for cocktails later.
 
Cheers
1 or 2 olives?
 
Today? Green beer, no?
 
2. No vermouth
 
got it
shaken && !stirred
 
1:57 AM
Interesting... if you put a bounty on a question, you appear to have the option to award said bounty to deleted non-answers.
 
calling it a night, ciao y'all
 
My track record on bounties is the following. Give a somewhat controversial one. Get accused of blah blah blah. then they get 60 votes a day. Get ticked off over something trivial. And quit
 
@Drew The only thing I'm guilty of is loving too much!
 
@Mogsdad I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
Mogsdad passed a audit!
 
2:28 AM
@zondo do you have an opinion on the dupe request one line up from cricket?
it is closed nvm
 
Wow. Burned all 60 votes on the cv-pls requests, second day in a row. We'll never reduce the backlog when we keep adding to it at that rate!
 
user3956566
\o
 
Hiya, MsY!
 
@Mogsdad we need a concentrated effort else it is for nothing
 
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW hey there
 
2:43 AM
When the room originated, the focus was solely on questions already in the cv queue. Right now, we're doing many types of curation, including burnination (again), so that has us spread a bit thin.
 
> SO Close Vote Reviewers Hit Squad
 
And we need to be organized. Not scattered. Or else it is all a waste.
 
@Drew But, as far as our cv-pls backlog is concerned; if we used one event for it, we could close all the outstanding questions that deserve to be closed. (I word it that way because tonight I found 4 that had been improved after the cv-pls request, and were now OK.)
 
user3956566
@Drew I really don't want them to take the extra votes off us
 
user3956566
The problem is, it gives people extra votes to place posts in the queue also. Mind you the posts probably belong in the queue. Maybe we should focus on the newer posts in the queue?
 
Rob
2:46 AM
Solution: unlimited votes for questions with 4 CVs
 
I really want no burnitiation and no posts to this room about close this now. But that is me
 
Rob
30votes otherwise
 
@Drew Organized on what, though? We've got "clear the queue" events, burnination, NATO monitoring & individual curation generating cv-pls requests, the Hive, Smokey... all valuable. But just so much.
 
@Mogsdad I want none of that
 
Uh. That's everything, isn't it?\
 
2:48 AM
Organized on a list
 
Go on...
 
Here is the list. Go march it.
 
Ah. Your hive.
 
not necessarily. That is selfish
This room has its own list. Let's work it.
 
Well, the original CTQ events were like that.
 
2:50 AM
We simply cannot handle close vote 1 gibberish posts coming in here
Today we have turtle close mongo and others. I created a batch for mongo cuz there simply was nothing in the queue for the others
No one really focuses here too much. Like everyone with ADHD
 
It is sad to see votes age off the cv-pls requests; those are votes that could have closed other things.
 
We have no strategy. We are not serious. We are lemmings.
I focus only on cv3 and cv4. That crap is real
 
@rene - perhaps a topic for the next room meeting? ^^^^ Discussion about our effectiveness, esp. how to improve it.
 
NATO should be abolished from this room
burn is a different issue
We do it as a favor to the community. Hopefully they occasionally see it as such.
 
@Drew Not sure I agree with that - although I'd be on board with eliminating the cv-pls from it.
 
2:55 AM
What part don't you agree with? NATO? It is a disaster for us and flagging. It tears like Tuna and BR away endlessly
It makes us so scattered
Why are we moderating crap from year 2011
There are 15 of us
 
Rob
What's nato?
 
Answers are the largest source of crap, from what I see. And they are current. All the me-too NAA stuff, etc. So, are we closing questions, or improving overall quality? If the latter, where are the priorities?
 
user3956566
@Drew It might be wise to be more mindful when referring to the room members.
 
I edit more than I flag in NATO (New Answers to Old questions, a tool for users with 10K+). (Last part for you, @Rob!)
 
If humor and self-deprecation is useful @MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW I am all for it
 
Rob
3:00 AM
Ahh, cheers
I rarely use it
Most close votes in the 10k dashboard is most useful for me nowadays
Can guarantee every single vote actually closes it, until I get dupe hammer at least.
 
user3956566
@Drew I'm not understanding what you are referring to?
 
If you like that... there are a pile of cv-pls in our backlog with 4 votes... Grab the unclosed requests script and have at 'em!
 
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW no problem
 
user3956566
@Drew I'm asking you what are you referring to We simply cannot handle close vote 1 gibberish posts coming in here
 
I constantly do the math. We can't close them
 
3:03 AM
@Rob I hit the "most deletes" list most days.
@Drew I think she's asking what "close vote 1 gibberish posts" means. (If not, then I'm asking, because each time I read it I come up with a different meaning.)
 
user3956566
@Mogsdad thank you
 
user3956566
I also use Tiny's script to find posts with 4 CVs
 
user3956566
And I check out rooms requests that have 4 CVs on them
 
I stare at a spreadsheet and try to get stuff closed. I stare. Me alone. I don;t know anyone here that tracks where stuff is at but me
So if that sound confusing, I don't know what to say.
No one here but me has ever given any tracking for current status.
And many of those close votes rot and age away
 
user3956566
what do you mean when you say We simply cannot handle close vote 1 gibberish posts coming in here That we cannot act on posts with one vote, as you say ^^^ they age away?
 
3:07 AM
If that is hard to swallow, well then I am sorry
 
user3956566
I don't vote on requests with only one or two votes from the room. I wait and see if they get more.
 
And what do you track?
I have sheets. I have a db. No one else does
 
@Drew Kind of a broad brush, there. On every burnination I've been involved in, we've tracked all the target questions. Example post with 26 revisions.
 
user3956566
 
I am the only one with a system. If anyone else has one, let's merge em
 
user3956566
3:09 AM
@Drew I've asked you how you find the dying votes, but you wouldn't tell me
 
All my sheets have age. What do you mean?
It is all right there.
 
user3956566
@Drew how you find the posts in the queue that are going to die? the query - I mean votes dying
 
Rob
@Mogsdad I do occasionally, however since I'm not 20k, almost all the 1-vote-to-delete questions are not old enough for me yet
 
votes age at 20.1k minutes. 1 a day
it is not rocket science
 
user3956566
how do you find that value
 
3:11 AM
@Rob ? Not sure what you're replying to, guessing it's the cv-pls questions. How does age factor wrt 20K?
 
user3956566
@Mogsdad your delete vote comment
 
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW subtraction :p
 
user3956566
@Mogsdad this
 
Rob
@Mogsdad This one, sorry: @Rob I hit the "most deletes" list most days.
 
Ah! Gotcha.
 
user3956566
3:13 AM
@Drew how do you find this value in the api? @TinyGiant any chance you can make a script and share it?
 
user3956566
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Q: Find the time left before expiration of votes?

Ms Yvette ǝʇʇǝʌʎ sWTrying to reduce the size of the close vote review queue on SO (currently at 7.8k), I'm wondering if there is a way to find the time left before votes begin expiring on a post. There's some scripts that have been created by user in the SOCVR to search on post with x number of votes and in certai...

 
user3956566
@Mogsdad I'm taking a break from the room, ping me when the air freshens a bit.
 
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW I have a database. I track it
 
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW Not likely - past my bedtime!
 
databases have columns like type datetime. It is not hard
Tiny does not have a db. I do.
 
Rob
3:15 AM
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW There's no way to get it from the API. I believe Drew just polls questions for votes and records approximately when the vote was cast (time between last poll and now). Then uses that to determine when they will expire
But otherwise no, there's no way to find out when votes are cast and/or when they expire
 
It is real simple. If you are crafty enough, you know. As Rob says.
But this room is a protest room. I protest against this certain question.
 
Thanks, @Rob, that makes sense. You know, @Drew, you could have said that, rather than "it's not rocket science", and it would have helped.
 
We need a strategy for closing. Not a collection house of protests.
 
Drew, do you intend to insult people with your messages? Because I am having trouble reading them neutrally.
 
@Mogsdad do you intend to provide a strategy for closing stuff as opposed to insulting me?
Because I have a strategy
 
3:19 AM
If you feel insulted, I apologize. That was never my intent.
 
Undo passed an audit!
 
Rob
Mods get audits? oO?
Can they get review banned?
 
@Rob Yes
Of course, they could just go un-review-ban themselves
 
Rob
Hah, fair enough
 
But it's generally better not to get review banned in the first place
 
3:23 AM
There are several strategies we can take - each involves narrowing focus. Getting consensus on it will take a lot of diplomacy, as there is no power relationship here; people will do what they want to do, so a strategy will only work if we have enough people who want to do their part.
 
@Undo If only so your fellow mods don't keep laughing at you :p
 
That's a big part of it :P
 
@Mogsdad one such strategy is the one I am working on. A real time db that focuses on the top N tags and close-able now
I have been pleading for help on it. I get next to nothing from anyone. Perhaps Fred now will offer something
In the mean time I post batches. In the meantime I am told not to recruit. I talk the talk and walk the walk
 
@Drew So more or less the final push into the abyss? That would reduce the numbers of questions, to a point. Eventually starving unless the rest of the SO universe keeps getting questions close to that edge.
 
I do not possess the spider man decoder ring needed to decipher that. I just want to close stuff now
 
3:28 AM
...not that it seems to be a problem we will see soon.
 
Rob
@Drew I was interested in taking a look at the code some time back
It would be nice to have it up on an API, and then we could have a userscript to interact with it
 
I do not want this room to get distracted by NATO and random cv1 requests
 
@Drew I mean... your strategy is to focus on questions that are just about closed, the ones with 3 or 4 votes already, so we know that with minimal investment we can close tham.
 
I am just one voice. And ultimately I lose. I know that.
 
Rob
Share the code then, so people are able to tweak it and help out ;)
 
3:30 AM
I've personally seen none of the pleading you've mentioned - how could I help?
 
I have built that and with Tyler it is happening
It is on slack
 
Well, apologize if I request cv-pls with cv1 just now.
 
@AndrewT. - no need to apologize OR change behaviour at this time. This is just "hallway conversation".
 
@AndrewT. I am just one voice. Please disregard my dogma
I am incredibly opinionated and you need to know I am speaking to veterans here. I am sorry Andrew
 
user3956566
@AndrewT. please don't feel unwelcome here, I apologise. There are many voices in here :D
 
user3956566
3:35 AM
@Drew nice :D
 
I see, I'm not a regular, but I somewhat know how this room works based on MSO posts.
 
There is a science to this. And we need to work that out.
 
Rob
@Drew Can you give me access to the slack/code?
 
Or we need to agree that we are not working it out and just having fun.
@rob of course
 
@Drew Looked for your messages mentioning slack, only one I think I can help with is this, where it mentions "css html peeps" making a page. What are you looking for? (What is slack?)
 
Rob
3:41 AM
@Drew Where do I go, then?
 
@Mogsdad Slack is a messaging client
 
Mar 9 at 23:09, by Drew
@Kyll the one hot answer on angular grid says to look at smart grid
 
So, a "Slack back end" is a messaging app, of some sort?
 
We need a web front-end. PHP
Otherwise I have a sexy c# app
 
@Mogsdad that phrasing confused me also
 
user3956566
3:43 AM
@AndrewT. yes, and it's easy to become a regular, just pop in regularly :D
 
Rob
Could you put it up on github or something?
We can keep the front-end C# too, since the backend is
I'd be happy to setup a server and start hosting it
 
@Quill Yeah... at my age it means something different!
 
user3956566
@Drew C# and sexy in the same sentence hahahahaaa! that's funny. Now if it was C.. sighs
 
@Mogsdad haha
 
user3956566
@Mogsdad bahahaha
 
3:44 AM
@MsYvetteǝʇʇǝʌʎsW C# is sexy ;-;
 
user3956566
@Quill I had a FB status up for a long time that I was in love with and going to marry it! truth!
 
lol
 
user3956566
I gotta go, will be back soon enough.
 
Darn, did it again. I have to get up to play hockey in 5.5 hours! Gotta get some sleep. 'later all.
 
user3956566
@Mogsdad night!
 
3:47 AM
I need someone to build a css JS front end for a page.
 
Rob
@Drew Have you seen above messages?
 
angular, or not. Need something. The masses aren't going to download a c# exe and run it
So Fred or someone. I have 10 days of requests out there. So I gave up on that. Fred pops up
Fred is not a css JS guy. I can do what Fred does. But I need someone that is willing to do browser-based
 
how big is the page?
you could probably just use GitHub Pages
 
it is pagination. It is styling. It is not me.
I don't know anything about JS css any of that
 
I can help out with a browser page, but I'd need to know what you want
 
Rob
3:53 AM
@Drew It'd likely be a lot easier if you simply hosted the application you have as an API, and then have a userscript overlay stackoverflow with the questions
As I said I'd be happy to set all that up and get it going if you need help
Though whenever I ask to see code/join to help you seem to change the topic so..
Would much rather have all the information easily accessable/queryable to all - if that means duplicating the code and effort you've done then so be it..
 
@Rob I don't think I change the topic
 
Rob
I just asked now to see the slack and code, and your reply was 'We need a web front-end. PHP'
 
@Rob I have several people talking to me
 
@Drew btw PHP isn't front end
 
Rob
Yep
 
3:57 AM
how is PHP not a front end
 
PHP has to be compiled by the server
 
Rob
It's server side
It's the same as MVC in C#
 
I seem to have rank in PHP. Anyone else?
I am trying to give access to a db in a browser
 
@PraveenKumar Congrats :)
 
Rob
"PHP is an acronym for "PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor" PHP is a widely-used, open source scripting language. PHP scripts are executed on the server."
 
3:58 AM
Technically, you can run PHP client-side, if you have the user download the script and run it through PHP, but such is rare.
 
Rob
You can do that by simply adding a layer to your existing C# app to either execute razor pages or expose an API
 
@Rob do you provide solutions in PHP or just cut and paste stuff
 
@AlexanderO'Mara nice.
 
Rob
@Drew Both..
 
so how is PHP not a solution for browser people?
 

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